why was he such a pathetic cuck?

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Shut up gollum

At what point did he turn to the dark side? Was he already evil when he said "Leave Sauron to me"?

>>84107463
When he watched too much cuck porn on his cuck sphere

>>84107392
So we hate Saruman now?

>Sauron - Hitler
>Saruman - Alt-right
whoah...

His butthurt began after the creation of the Rings when he volunteered to go to Middle-Earth but Gandalf was COMMANDED to go to Middle-Earth as if he was more useful.

Then upon arrival Cirdan foresaw that Gandalf was the greatest wizard and gave him the elf ring Narya which Saruman was double butthurt about because he was supposed to be the head of the order.

Then his butthurt grew and festered and his desire for power became stronger when he locked himself in Orthanc and learned more about Sauron and the ring lore. He essentially took Le Redpill and went full delusional /pol/ shitposter.

>>84107463
The look in his eye when he said that suggests yes

>>84107588
Was gandalf a kike? that would explain this nepotism

>>84107392
>main bad guy: Sauron
>secret secondary bad guy: Sauron-man
Bravo, Hackson

>>84107666
holy shit

>>84107588
Is that where he learned martial arts?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1Vyhve9gtg

>>84107392
Had an ego

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>>84107691
>two powerful wizards
>all they can do is throw each other a few feet

>>84107626
Nah, he just literally didn't care. He wanted to stay in his room and listen to his hippie music while smoking a joint, but they made him go and he thought the faster his job was done the sooner he'd be back home chilling out again

He did nothing wrong. Fucking Luddites.

>>84107745
>jobs to hobbits
>doing nothing wrong

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>>84107739
>English-language film before anime and video games became popular in the mainstream, and made everyone think big epic purple explosions and shit were what made a fight scene good

I long for these days. Do you remember The Hobbit, where Saruman was basically doing wizard kung fu against Dark Souls baddies?

>>84107392
I think the only valid explanation is that Sauron took control of him somehow through the palantir.
Saruman not too long ago left Valinor that was home to much more powerful beings that Sauron, and he would surely know that there is no point in turning evil because you will eventually get BTFO by the valar.
So it was some kind of mind control or amnesia that was put on him that caused him to do the things that he did.

>>84107852
In the book his plan was to trick and overthrow Sauron and then rule himself. He thought he was doing right in the long term

>>84107906
Yeah that was his downfall, the arrogance

>>84107827
>I long for these days.

Right now, you mean? I guess someone's got to be happy.

>>84107626

No it's kind of the self fulfilling prophecy thing that Tolkein puts all throughout LotR where Saruman's desire for power is what makes unworthy of power.

>>84107852
The Valar did fuck all after Morgoth fell though, kind of feels like they'd just given up on the rest of Arda

>Sharkey

>>84108060
Iluvatar resurrected Gandalf and gave him a power boost, and Manwe told the eagles to help the fellowship.

>>84107588
So why was Saruman the White Wizard (leader) and Gandalf just the measly Gay Wizard then, if Gandalf was actually stronger?

>>84108150
The job was initially offered to gandalf if he went and he declined, so they made saruman in charge. Then gandalf was forced to go but it was already too late.

>>84108150
>>84108176

The job of leader of the WHITE COUNCIL (the wizards, Elrond, Galadrial, etc.) was initially offered to Gandalf.

Saruman was always the head of the wizards because he was the most knowledgeable in the matters of Sauron and ring lore (which ironically contributed to his downfall).

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>>84107392
>be an angel and know that god and the afterlife exist
>STILL join the evil side

>>84108237
Right, didn't that also piss saruman off?

This scene is so fucking dark

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFzC-72FlQ4

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>>84108247

Crazy right? What dumbass would ever do that?

>>84108274
Built like a fucking fridge

>>84108150
Saruman was stronger, originally. But Gandalf was considered the wisest of the Istari by most, and that counts for a lot more in Tolkien's mythos than raw power.

>>84108274
That's from mythology as well. How about you give me a real life example?

>>84108274
>be all knowing, omnipotent god
>not having foreseen all this and allowed it to happen anyway

>>84108274
Lucifer was such an autist
>muh humans get more attention than me
>muh I want to rule everything

>>84108325
now THIS is podracing!

>>84108334
God wants his creations to choose Him willingly. What benefit is someone who loves you unwillingly?

>>84108326
Suicide bombers.
>know they'll go to hell for murder and suicide
>still do it

>greenscreened sky
Just step outside of the studio and shoot the fucking scene.
Modern filmmakers need to die.

>>84108383
Don't create lucifer to begin with.
He didn't need him to create us and if that was the plan, why get pissed he's doing what you wanted him to do?

>>84108325
Try spinning, that's a good trick

>>84108301
Being wise and intellectual doesn't really matter when a cuck wizard is tossing your feeble ass around in the air with his magic rod.

>>84108397
>can have the exact same sky at the exact time you need it everyday in the land of the long white sheep

>>84108418
Hell isn't a place where people who "piss off God" get sent to. It's just a place where God isn't substantially present. Sinners reject God and God doesn't want sinners to be forced to be around Him, so He sends them to a place where He isn't.

Lucifer had free will and chose to reject God.

>>84108346
>Lucifer was such an autist
He'll remember this post you know

>>84108426
Saruman was using his full power to subdue gandalf. He was also not as strong. His faith and loyalty was rewarded though so his wisdom won out in the end.

>>84107392
He had a desire for wisdom and broke the rules and got corrupted by evil. It's the apple of eden and eve archetype. Of course he's an evil cuck, he took the forbidden fruit of knowledge and plunged the world into darkness, just like eve.

This archetype is the repeated pattern of the evolution of technology or knowledge that is used to gain power over another group of people. It reflects the evolutionary arms race that created our great intellects. The evil others are using magic which corresponds to real world advances in technology like training beasts to do your bidding, using arrows or gunpowder, seige engines.

The magician is someone who is smart enough to create and use that technology against others. In this case tolkien chose to have the traditional men and elves and dwarves band together to defeat the evil technologically superior peoples who are using "magic". There are also magicians on the side of the good people which is really just the home team.

People are programmed to be loyal to their in-group and suspicious of others so the tensions that played out when the less advanced societies had to band together to fight off the more advanced society using evil dark magic (corresponding to advanced strange technology of some sort which puts them at a battle disadvantage in the human evolutionary consciousness). It's a nice story of putting aside differences of more common enemies and fighting off a people with even more differences who are even more unfamiliar.

Sauron is the classic story of the guy who was smarter than everyone and was corrupted by this evil knowledge into thinking he could take over the world. He's literally hitler. They always fail because the rest of the world will always win when they band together.

>>84108473
Makes sense, a spooky, logical amount of sense.

>>84108395
It's the opposite though. They literally believe they'll go to heaven for doing this. That's the entire point.

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>>84108423
i know rite

>>84108579

You're seriously expecting a /tv/ shitposter to have a basic 101 level comprehension of the faith of Islam?

>>84108803
You're allowed to murder innocents as part of islam?

>>84107392
His tax policy failed, that's why.

>>84109057
They don't believe infidels are "innocent." It's why Islam is so dangerous, because they honestly believe they're doing the right thing and will be rewarded in the afterlife.

Too bad rational fear of Islam is diluted by pol "lmao brown people deus vult" memes.

>>84109057
Yes

>>84108150
Sheer power doesn't mean anything. Gandalf is wise, humble, and unassuming, which makes him great. This is Tolkien 101.

>>84109057
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shahid

>>84109184
b-but muh video game powre levels

>>84109057

Yes, that is exactly right. Islam is a depraved value system which is contrary to any humanly, meaningfully useful notion of goodness. Muslims literally think wrong about ethical considerations in general, although policing female sexuality is a socially positive norm, but even it can be taken too far. 4chan users miss this these days because our own society (the contemporary west) has moved too far in the opposite direction that we romanticize social conservatism to the point of wrongly excusing just such extremes as occur in Islam.

There exist sets cultural practices in the world that do not "deserve" to be able to reproduce themselves*, in the sense that it would be better if those practices ceased to be performed. Islam is such a set of cultural practices. As another example, there exist tribal cultures in Southeast Asia/Australia which hold the tradition that when a married man dies, his wife must also be killed.

*In the amoral "evolutionary" sense of social norms, the practices that "deserve" to be able to reproduce themselves are of course those that simply "win" and become dominant - but this tells us nothing about right conduct and so is useless to the present discussion. We use "deserve" in the above sense instead in its ethical, prescriptive sense, and not in this scientific sense.

>>84108247
God explicitely said all is right and you can do no wrong and that everything what happens in Arda happens as he wishes it.

There's no free will in LOTR and Silm.

>>84109184
Why don't you come over to my house? I'll show you what my fist thinks of humility and wisdom, you old fuck.

We'll see how much humility and wisdom helps you as I'm reorganizing you facial structure with my bare hands.

>>84108262
What the fuck Legolas?

>>84109474
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Shire Seals, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on Mordor, and I have over 300 confirmed loves. I am trained in Gollum warfare and I'm the top hobbit in the entire Hobbiton armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Middle-Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me on a ring? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across Gondor and your master is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You're fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can love you in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the Rohirrim and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little "clever" ring was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You're fucking dead, Sauron.

>>84109476
They needed him alive to get the info and there was a chance he wasn't going to die right away from the first couple of stabs. He made sure no more stabs killed him outright. It was the right decision when the stakes were that high and he made it without hesitation like a badass.

>>84109317
>although policing female sexuality is a socially positive norm
wrong

>>84108262
Well no wonder that was cut

>>84109368
why didn't he let Saruman return to corporeal form then?

>>84110430
All part of gods divine plan :^)

>>84107392
Literally what in all fucking creation, makes Saruman a "cuck"? He almost succeeded with Sauron in taking over all of Middle Earth.

>>84108325
I may have gone too far in a few places

>>84108326
Dom Juan

>>84107588
Does anyone have the picture showing the hierarchy of the entire LotR magic stuff?

>>84109317
Will you fuck off?

>>84110646
He got ass raped in the second Film. The groundbreaking The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers.

WHy didn't the eagleds save saruman before womrtogune stab him?

answer me that

>>84111067
>assraped
Right, after destabalizing Rogan, taking over much of western Middle Earth and growing one of the largest standing armies from scratch. Yeah, what a cuck.

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>>84107666

>>84111121
*Rohan

>>84111121
Well, he did lose it all in the end so yeah.

>>84111197
So did Hitler, but I don't stroll around saying Hitler wasn't a global problem who destabilized entire countries and needed to be stopped given how dangerous he was...

>>84111244
Welp, guess Hitler was a cuck then!

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>>84107392
Celeborn was the one true cuck.

>>84111317
>tyrants and dictators are cucks because they lose
Wew lad, that is just downplaying how dangerous these people are in the name of memes.

>>84110646
>He almost succeeded with Sauron in taking over all of Middle Earth.
They aren't even on the same side cuck. Even had he succeed in taking Rohan, eventually he would have gotten BTFO by Sauron

>>84111384
>they aren't on the same side.
Whatever Saruman's secret plan was, he was working in Sauron's vested interests and taking orders from him. Holy shit, it sure is summer in here.

>>84111384
>calling everyone "cuck" to the point of it having no meaning
It gets old

>>84111244
>So did Hitler, but I don't stroll around saying Hitler wasn't a global problem
Good, because he was the global solution, too bad (((they won)))
>destabilized entire countries
Just like (((they))) have done since antiquity and continue to do today and tomorrow

>>84111379
Dangerous? Yes
Still cucked? Yeah

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>>84107588

>>84111474
Wrong board, retardo.