Premiered 25 years ago today. Who would have guessed how quip

>>84091823
DC is still good you dumbass. marvel is the quipshit studio

>>84091865
They both suck you manchild. BR was the last and only capeshit worth a damn and not just a two hour commercial to sell toys and cheeseburgers.

This movie has a really dumb story and characters but it looks nice. It's like an art piece.

>>84091823
This was the last GREAT capeshit film. A couple of the Spider-Man movies were decent. If we're honest we need about ten years without a super hero movie so we can take a breather

>>84091923
I dunno dude I had many toys and shirts/PJs from this movie.

There's no way in fuck we'd get capekino like this today. No fucking way any of these capeshit studios would allow a renegade director radically warp their properties into an intentionally grotesque and twisted opera, they'd lose too many shekels. It's an honest shame really.

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>>84091823
>movie about a hook nosed kike ruining christmas, teaming up with a brainwashed slutty degenerate woman
/our movie/ now and always

>>84092008
It had merchandising, im not denying that. But the entire point of it existing wasn't to push that merch. That's the difference. Burton used to give a shit and made a visually exciting film. Everything since has just been flicks that exist only to push junk and make Hollywood Jews richer.

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Disney reduced the genre into glorified TV shows.

All with the sound of critics applause.

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>>84092008
The groups responsible for the merchandising HATED Burton when the movie actually came out and it wasn't kid friendly at all, especially McDonalds in fact that's what cost him the franchise and he was kicked form doing a third one.

>>84092298
If this scene happened today, audiences it would assume it a marvel quip and laugh and clap at it.

>>84091865
everything DC has a direct involvement in turns out to be a failure. how do you mess up a batman or superman movie? it must be embarrassing that nolan created something better

>>84092414
Affleck Batman is best Batman and Cavill is great go suck a fat one ya marvel cocksucker.

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>>84092298
>wasn't kid friendly

I don't know about that. It's pretty dark and fucked up but I loved it as a kid. just because it had the name Batman in it. I do remember being really freaked out by pic related but that's it. Everything else was just a Batman movie, and that was enough for me to watch it over and over again.

>>84092477
>British Superman
>great

>>84092477
is that why affleck already quit? because it was so good? man of steel and BvS are rotten for a reason. meanwhile, everything marvel creates is certified kino

>>84092298
Returns was definitely darker than Batman '89 but the latter wasn't exactly kid friendly either. Then again this was from the era when movies like T2 were also had merch for kids.

>>84092498
Kids will watch anything so long as there's cool shit in it. I think it's a modern Disney delusion that storylines and characters need to be simplified for kids. They don't give a shit.

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>>84091823
Pre-Catwoman timid Selina was pure fuckbait. Such a waste throwing her out that window.

>>84092621
That's why some of the best kid's films were made in the 80s before women started the "but think about the children!" nonsense.

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>>84092578
>that why affleck already quit
More marvel drone fake news

>marvel is anything but quipshit killing cinema
Webm related. The moment of death for the genre.

>>84091823
this and man of steel are my go to capeshits fuck you if you got some hang ups about whatever those movies shine.

>>84092107
That is really good cinematography.

>>84092872
I hope that's a joke. Man of Steel was the movie that permanently disillusioned me from capeshit.

How can someone defend a 40 minute fight scene between immortals filled with CGI and product placement. I like Jesus and 9/11 imagery as much as the next guy but Snyder is a hack.

Batman Returns is the last cape movie that was good. X-Men 2 is the last cape movie that was decent.

>>84093438
You're not even subtle MCUck. Stick to poop quips and CGI airports.

>>84093438
>Man of Steel was the movie that permanently disillusioned me from capeshit.
You must have low standards then.

>>84092710
damn get aload of the ps3 graphics

>>84092298
>The 6 tuxedoed penguins take their place as pall bearers walking their leader to his final resting place

Wow, I missed so much great cinematography watching this as a child.

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>>84092008
>>84092498
Why do you think Burton was kicked off the franchise and Joel Schumacher was brought in to sell toys ?
The movie kicked up a lot of parental outrage. McDonalds pulling advertising, the reviews of it being too dark, the Jewish groups who felt offended by Penguin's characterization, them being unable to sell action figures based on this movie's Penguin, etc.
But kids still liked it because it had Batman and it was weird and funny. The movie was vinticated by history after all the buzz died out.
It wasn't made to be kid-friendly or even that faithful to the source material. This movie is Tim Burton playing with a million dollar budget and franchise with full creative freedom to make up for his frustrations with Batman 89.

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>>84092578

>unironically using Rotten Tomatoes as a indicator of quality

>>84093544
I haven't seen a Marvel movie since Ant Man and I got dragged to that.

>>84093621
No, I just hadn't watched a bunch of capeshit prior or was only exposed to the passable stuff like The Dark Knight, Iron Man, and Spiderman 1-2.

And that 40 minute fight scene gave me a lot of time to get disillusioned and turn cynical

>>84094067
>The Dark Knight, Iron Man, and Spiderman 1-2.
>passable stuff
So like I said, low standards.

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>>84094127

>>84094067
Marvel drones love their Marvels so much they're too embarrassed to even admit what they're shilling for. Goes to show the quality of the MCU.

>>84094127
Examples of capekino?

Hard mode: Nothing that came out before your 18th birthday

>>84094127
3/10 meme retort.

it really is amazing how good the aesthetic is,like you can tell the animated series is directly inspired by those films.

Plus unlike how everything has been relatively grounded in superhero films, Batman and Returns takes the opposite direction, it clearly has no time period, things are definitely done not because they make sense but because they visually look good.

plus unlike the other films where Bruce Wayne is some sort of playboy, here they treat Bruce like people treated Michael Jackson in the 2000s, throughout the film everyone talks about how much of a weirdo the guy is.

>>84094258
There have only been two passable superhero movies since Batman Returns: Batman Forever and X-Men 2. I'm using the word passable very liberally here.

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>>84092075
https://www.counter-currents.com/2012/06/batman-returns-an-anti-semitic-allegory/
>Using “images and cultural stereotypes,” director Tim Burton “depicts the Penguin as one of the oldest cultural clichés: the Jew who is bitter, bent over and out for revenge, the Jew who is unathletic and seemingly unthreatening but who, in fact, wants to murder every firstborn child of the gentile community.”
>The Penguin feigns assimilation into society and gains the citizens’ trust for a time. But eventually even the ignorant masses understand this false prophet for what he is, a primordial beast who seeks retribution, ‘an eye for an eye.'”
The evil, wealthy capitalist who allies himself with the Penguin against the citizens of Gotham is named “Max Shreck” after German actor Max Schreck, who portrayed Nosferatu. Metaphorically, Shreck is a blood-sucking vampire. Shreck “wants only power, but the Jew who has suffered wants to punish others for the crime that was committed against him.”
>“The Penguin’s evil plan is the enactment of a paranoid notion that Jews’ effort to preserve their heritage and culture is a guise for elitist and hostile intentions.”
>“Batman Returns takes place at Christmas time. The Christmas tree, the lights and the mistletoe serve a thematic purpose. They represent the Christian ethic, which will save Gotham City from the false ideology of the Penguin. In the final scene Batman articulates the distinctly Christian moral of this film: ‘Merry Christmas and good will toward men . . . and women.'”

/06/19/batman-returns-cast-reveal-movie-secrets-on-its-25th-anniversary/

>Michael Keaton edited the script and asked that Batman speak less. More than half of Batman’s lines were taken out.
>McDonald’s, one of the movie’s sponsors, objected to the black goo that came out of The Penguin’s mouth.

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>>84094325
>batman forever
>passable

>>84094511
Just barely, but it was better than Iron Man, The Dark Knight, and Spider-Man 1 and 2.

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>>84094539

>>84091823
>movie ends with penguins wearing jet packs carrying The Penguin to a watery grave

Capeshit was always shit.

>>84094694
Literally too deep for marlel brain.

>>84094694
They're not meant to be super realistic you dope they're fucking comic book stories, they should be goofy and over the top.

>>84091823
Batman returns is actually terrible, you're just all wearing nostalgia glasses. It's stupid, boring and a lot of screentime is wasted by shit characters like Max Shrek.

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Can we talk about Danny Devito and his sheer dedication to being The Penguin ? Because I think people don't appreciate himenough. Apart from Heath Ledger, I think he's probably the actor who went to the greatest lengths just to make a good performance in a cape film

>“No one would talk to Danny on the set because he scared everybody,” Tim Burton said. “I don’t know if that was his usual way of working, but there was a point where he just clicked into it and was completely this character who was totally antisocial, who had been out of the loop a little too long. Danny was 100 percent into the transformation. With the makeup and all, it was a complete creation.
>Danny DeVito allegedly refused a stand-in for the scene where the Penguin gets pelted with rotten food by an angry mob.
>We made a bodysuit for him that must have weighed a 100 pounds, and it was not out of foam, we were experimenting with silicon. It was such a miserable horrible thing to wear, and we were thinking how were we going to get it on the actor. Well, he loved it. He said "This is so uncomfortable, and this puts me in such a bad mood, that this is perfect for the Penguin".
>“When we were working with Danny on Big Fish [2003],” Shane Mahan said, “he told us that when he’d done the voice-over sessions for Batman Returns, it was much harder for him to find the character without the makeup on. So he actually went to the trouble of having the makeup put on him for the voice-over work, just to help him get into the character. That was a big compliment to us.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OBQY6PZ6kk

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>>84092680
jesus fucking christ with this bullshit site. i've trying to upload one goddamn file of camren in the new gotham series using the whip and every fucking time this god damn motherfucking stupid shitty site gives me some kind of error

>wrong format
so i convert it to webm
>filesize too big its 3.1MB
try to reduce it
>cant put audio streams
like SERIOUSLY WHY THE FUCK SHOULD I EVEN POST ON THIS GODDAMN SITE ANYMORE. JUST LET ME POST A FUCKING MP4 THAT'S LIKE 3.1MB BIG IS THAT SO FUCKING HARD YOU GODDAMN STUPID FUCKING SITE

THEN OF COURSE YOU GET RANDOMLY BANNED FOR ANYTHING, THREADS GET DELETED BY LIBERAL MODS WITH ZERO PERSONALITY

JESUS FUCKING CHRIST 4CHAN YOU HAVE TURNED TO PURE GARBAGE. PURE FUCKING GARBAGE.

fucking triggered as fuck

>>84094476
this movie just became pure kino

>>84095168
Upload it on /wsg/.

>>84091865
>>84091923
You two encapsulate everything i hate.

>>84091823
returns was pretty quippy. I saw it in the theatres when I was like 12 with my dad. It was...awkward at times.
>lifes a bitch, so am I

>>84095232
no one clicks on crossboard posts

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>>84091823
If you want to feel like a really pretentious twat, watch this movie in black and white. It really emphasizes Burton's German expressionist horror inspirations and actually looks quite good.

>>84092107
I love how he was just sitting in the dark brooding

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>>84094937
>>>/co/mblr

>>84095168
u remind me of me

>>84094694
>wrong on both accounts

>>84093459

Then along came Spider-Man 2 and blew them both the fuck out.

>>84094476
So Burton and Raimi are cut from the same cloth then.

>>84094979
Based

>>84094937
There was more atmosphere with the batmobile driving around in the street seeing what the Penguin was doing while it snowed than all 3 of the Nolan movies combined.

>>84096248
Isn't Burton a jew ?

>>84091823
Keaton will always be my batman.
My birdman.
My multiplicity.
My croc.
My man.

>>84097079
I don't think so.

Post catwoman webms

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>>84091823
It's my favorite Batman movie

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dat ost

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqhbPhmVC04

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I AM NOT A HUMAN BEING
I AM AN ANIMAL
COLD-BLOODED

>>84098156
I AM THE TRASHMAN

>>84094476
BR is on HBO..guess that's the movie I'm falling asleep to tonight.

>>84091823
That's what happens when the studios decide to makert them specifically for normies and not the comic book fans.

>>84092107
Please tell me how the fuck you get good quality WebMs under 3MB, Hiroshimoot's been fucking slaughtering my WebM quality with that limit.

the one with jam carrey is better. this one has the penguin waddling around forever and then catwoman whoopdedoo

>>84094979
Danny's a fucking pro. one of the best actors in the game

>>84094325
>Batman Forever
>halfway between zany and serious
>good

Batman&Robin was better. It's awful but funny as fuck.

>>84092107
How would snyder handle this scene?

>meow.

it kills me that there are no fetish videos of Pfeiffer in that Catwoman outfit. Ticks off way too many boxes, hot DAMN.

If this movie was released today, it would be considered one of the greatest, if not the greatest, capekino.

Outside of Ledger's Joker, Burton BTFOs Nolan so hard.

>>84098858
why do they feel the need to include her panting

I thought that bit was suppose to show her being an athletic bad ass or something

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>>84097959
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXsHxqTxfhI

>>84094979
>Can we talk about Danny Devito and his sheer dedication to being The Penguin ?

You type like a gay

I blew several loads to Michelle Pfeiffer in this movie.

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>>84099711
Thanks for the update

>>84099321
Shut up and kiss me

>>84099782
I'll keep you posted if and when I choose to blow another.

>>84092498
>>84092298
It's ironic. Schumacher's last Batman film was way naughtier than Returns, thanks to Uma Thurman and the whole bidding on hot women scene. Yet it still sold the most toys.
Sure Returns had the Penguin biting someone's nose (not off. Just biting) and the whole "just the pussy I've been looking for" scene; But no one explicitly said those movies were for Kids in the first place.

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>>84094979
But he wasn't the Penguin. Penguin is a gangster criminal fat cat. He's munipulative, cunning, and power hungry.
He is NOT: a child murderer, a literal penguin, or someone who gets his hands dirty.
He literally had a whole speech in which he called himself an animal while ripping his clothes off. In the comtext of the film... it's silly but it works. But don't think for a second that he was playing the character right.

In yerms of where he falls? He's next to Jared Keto's Joker. Meanwhile Robin Taylor comes closer to Heath's performance with his live action portrayal

>>84094694
>Literally too deep for snyderfags brain.

>>84093981
>the Jewish groups who felt offended by Penguin's characterization

This is the first time I heard it so I had to look it up. Apparently some someone with a delicate anus wrote an opinion piece in New York Times, where he claimed that Penguin reminded him of some Nazi caricatures. So fucking stupid. Penguin was just a weird creepy looking fuck - it's not like anti-semitic caricatures have a monopoly on that, and besides, Penguins parents were portrayed as stereotypical rich WASPs.

That guy also claimed that Max Schreck was a Jewish stereotype as well because he used the word "schmo". Also fucking retarded. Gotham was always based on New York and a lot of New York gentiles use Yiddish slang. It doesn't mean shit

I'm a New York Jew btw

>>84094937
>a lot of screentime is wasted by shit characters like Max Shrek.

better than Ding-ding luthor, Fridge Quinn and Honka-Honka mad man.

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>>84092498
Which is funny because they used the black skull in the first one

>>84094476

oh shit. Is this dare I say kino?

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>>Bruce Wayne why are you dressed as Batman?

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This film simultaneously gave me a latex and femdom fetish at the same time.... and I was only a kid.

For that reason alone it's GOAT.

>>84100232
Y'know.. if you see something in a character that the majority of audiences don't, it's usually you that's the racist one.
And the Penguin is a caricature. Of big buisness men that steal money. He's wasn't necessarily a Jewish stereotype.

>>84100326
I didn't know what latex was at ten years old, and over twenty years later it's the best fucking thing
Thanks Batman

>>84100104
>my take on this character is the one true take on this character that can ever exist, nobody is allowed to change it ever, no alternative interpretations allowed >:(

>>84092498
Same here. One of my favorites as a 10-12 year old.

Hollywood has never had a clue about their target audience...

>>84094476
Yeah. The Exodus similarities are certainly present. Is this what happens when Burton has full creative control?

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>>84099663
>dir. Kevin Feige hacks
heh

>>84100104
But making the Penguin like an actual human penguin is something that had to be done desu

>>84094979
Now that I think about it, I always felt amazed by his performance. It's just so theatrical, energetic and dramatic. One of my favorites...

>>84095696
Yeah, he was a real "bat" man. Who else can actually be sitting in the dark doing nothing?

>>84100608
>>84100368
Like I said. In the context of the film it made sense. But it was such a hard, unrelistic diversion from the comic counter part I can't say it resembled anything I like.
It actually made me feel sorry for the Penguin. In the comics and Gotham you have one split second of sympathy when someone kaughs at him before he comes out and says "I killed you're child and gave your wife AIDS."

Oh and >>84100368, don't try to imply you're taking the middle ground. You're doing the exact thing you posted.

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>>84100104
>there can be only one take on this character and it's this one

Instead of taking the time to explain just what a imbecile casual you are, I'm just going to refute your claims of what the Penguin is not one by one.
Starting with
>he is not a child murderer
He's been ever since the character started being written more seriously.

>>84094979


This. Devito actually terrified me when I was a kid as Penguin. He turned out a way better performance as Penguin than the movie deserved. I'm talking Raul Julia as Bison tier.

But then Michelle Pfeiffer gave me my first boner so it made for a very confusing experience.

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>>84100104
>he does not get his hands dirty
I could post dozens of other examples but I'll just leave you with this one.

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>>84100104
>not a literal penguin
Yeah, that was an exaggeration.
But the idea that Penguin has never acted in a exaggerated Penguin-esque manner is ridiculous. He was eating raw fish and living in sub-zero temperatures in the comics long before the movie happened.
And your idea that "hurr durr Penguin would never call himself an animal" just proves what a dumbfuck casual you are.

>>84100104
Go back to /co/, you sound like a child. DeVito was playing the character right - the character as in the character that was written for the film that he was tasked with playing, not the character as some vague concept informed by decades of different interpretations and creators. Comparing him unfavorably to the guy from Gotham is probably the stupidest thing I've read on /tv/ all month.

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>>84100779
>In the comics and Gotham you have one split second of sympathy when someone kaughs at him before he comes out and says "I killed you're child and gave your wife AIDS."

Okay, let me see if I got this right: you read Pain and Prejudice or Joker's Asylum and watched Gotham and that's the understanding you have of Penguin, correct ?
That's why you think him being a freakish and tragic monster is "incorrect" and "Jared Keto" tier and why you dismiss Burton's version as "not muh Penguin", right ? Because you think Penguin has to be one specific way otherwise he's not Penguin, and that specific way is the way you came to like him, correct ?

You are right on one thing: it was a departure from the comics on a lot of things. And that is precisely why it worked so well. It helped to give Penguin the kind of dark characterization that would allow him to leave his campy days behind and enter Batman's new and darker period. The movie, alongside authors like Chuck Dixon and works like Penguin Triumphant, revamped the character successfully.

And my post wasn't even about the character, it was about the actor. And I'll give you this, Robin does a good job.
But do you think putting on a suit and doing a limp and acting is equivalent to, say, spending 3 hours on make-up, putting on a 100 pound silicon suit, and staying on character full time on set just to get the right performance ? And doing such an impeccable job at it that it elevates the character ? don't think it is.

Done? Okay. Bottom to top.
>>84100894
Calling yourself an Apex Predator is one thing. That's the comics. Being raised as some Penguin-like Tarzan is another. In that context (being rejected by humans) I can believe he'd think he was an animal. But again. Thats. The. Movie.

>>84100826
I don't need dozens of examples but if you can find two (that aren't alternate universes) were the Penguin, himself, physically gets up and strangles, stabs, or shoots someone, I'll retract that statement.

>>84100786
I did say that the penguin killed a kid before. But it was never mass infanticide. Again find a comic where he implements a slaughtering of many babies.

>>84100104
>But don't think for a second that he was playing the character right.
yet it was better take on the character that anything in capeshit comics ever
really makes you think...

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>>84101141
>it was never mass infanticide
I literally just posted a panel where he states he plans to gass the entire city and affect every woman and children.
That's not really a recurring thing as it was in the movie, yes, but you said "Penguin is NOT a child murderer" and I posted a panel that proves you wrong.

>if you can find two (that aren't alternate universes) were the Penguin, himself, physically gets up and strangles, stabs, or shoots someone
Wanna know how I know you don't actually read comics with the Penguin apart from those two I mentioned ?
Because if you picked any Penguin comic, you would have a chance of finding him engaging in physical confrontation. This was literally one of his major weaknesses.

>Calling yourself an Apex Predator is one thing. That's the comics.
Anon, since apparently you can't read, let me spell it out for you: in that panel he's not calling himself an "apex predator". That's from The Penguin Affair, which predates the movie, and in that panel, he's calling himself a freak and even compares himself to Killer Croc. And since you made such a big deal of how Penguin making a speech about him being an monster is out of character, I thought I'd post one example that proved you wrong.

I'm not even denying that the movie was a departure from the comics. I'm arguing that the things you listed have a precedent in the comics and that this departure was, not only completely necessary, but also a valid way to reinterpret Penguin.
Just because you didn't care about Penguin until Gotham made it cool to like him and Joker's Asylum made him an edgelord doesn't mean you get to decide what makes for a proper Penguin or not, especially when you seem so blindingly ignorant to the character's history.

>>84101083
Okay anon.
I see where I messed up. I'm not going to say that putting on a fat suit and cosmetics is better than physical acting. I'm not going to being up how DeVito looked uncomfortable and barely moved except to walk and swing his arms. I'm not going to say having presence based on legacy of films is easier than method acting. And I'm not going to say simply looking a part doesn't constitute as good performance.
That's all subjective.
I will say that the movie didn't do justice to the Penguin.

>>84094979
Devito did so good that Lego honored him by basing the lego batman movies Penguin on him.

They even made a figure for the lego movie sets based off his portrayal. They also based their two-face off Billy Dee Williams Harvey Dent and even got him for the voice work.

>>84100104
>He literally had a whole speech in which he called himself an animal while ripping his clothes off.
That was a gag referencing The Elephant Man you cinematically illiterate retard.

Reverence to source material has literally no bearing on objective quality. Even if DeVito's Penguin had nothing in common with his comic counterpart (he does, you seem like you don't know much about comics either) it would be IRRELEVANT to his status as the best screen version of the character. Robin Taylor? Give me a fucking break, are you 13?

>>84101490
>That was a gag referencing The Elephant Man you cinematically illiterate retard.
>expecting a capeshitter to have any knowledge of actual good media
lmao

>>84097183
You going to include him as The Vulture in SMHC in your list?

I rewatched this a few months ago for the first time in over 20 years. Saw it in theaters as a young boy.

It sucked then, it sucks now.

>>84099663
Oh fuck off.

The damned "what if...." movie about the making of Kane was fucking better than Kane. RKO whatever the fuck it was called.

>>84094979
Catwoman was still better though

>>84101613
>The damned "what if...." movie about the making of Kane was fucking better than Kane.
I've found that people who hate Citizen Kane are almost exclusively people with no genuine understanding of cinema.

>>84100104
Tell-Tales version of the penguin is better than that fucking hack job, and thats not saying much.

>OI GUVNAH, IF IT AINT MOI M80, GOOD OL BRUCEY WOOSEY. HIT YA ROIGHT IN DA GABBER I WILL I WILL M8.

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>>84101462
>I'm not going to being up how DeVito looked uncomfortable
that_was_the_point.jpg
>I will say that the movie didn't do justice to the Penguin.
And I say that this is just as subjective as your other claims. Hell, even more so. Because your concept of "didn't do justice" aligns with what you think is the "proper way" to adapt a character. Because you think Penguin has to be one way, and if he's done differently, then it's wrong and unfaithful.

The movie did more than do justice to Penguin, it reinvented the character to give him a much needed push.
Most of the things that make Oswald Cobblepot a great villain and character was there in the movie on top of new things. The perpetual divide between who he is and what he wants to be. The class subtext which governs his entire way of thinking. The relationship between his character and Bruce Wayne's. Him being an embodiment of Gotham's identity and his fights with Batman being a battle for such.
It wasn't just Penguin, the fat mobster with a bird gimmick. It combined Penguin with Dr.Caligari, Nosferatu and Richard III to make a much more three-dimensional character. Ironically, despite not being a comics reader, Burton got exactly to the heart of Oswald.

The movie focused on what could make Penguin a good character and a good opponent to Batman, and not just what gimmicks made the fanboys like him (and these gimmicks were there too).

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>>84101616
Honestly Pfeiffer was really great too. Most people just seem to care about her sex appeal (and there is plenty), but she took it very seriously too.

>>84098428
Video compression works by recycling information from the previous frame. There's very little motion in that scene, so the compression works well at a relaitively low bitrate without artifacting.

>>84100353
based batman

>>84101744
She maybe didn't put in as much physical work as DeVito, but her performance is just as good.

>>84101679
I get that it's a movie. I don't recall ever saying an adapted character HAS to embody ALL charscteristics. I just said I don't think he did the character that was being adapted all too well. And if I did say otherwise I'd like you to realise it was a post in the heat of the moment.

Penguin is a formidable hand-to-hand combatant. If DeVito's Penguin tried to physically fight Batman, it'd look like a Lego figure versus a megablock

>>84101654
And I find Citizen Kane on every single pretentious, "kino" posting movie cringe hipster list in existence. Its an OK movie, but its not the fucking pinnacle of cinema that everyone fucking wanks over. Especially once you find out that the entire movie was Orson literally REEEEEEEIng about Hearst because he made him look like an ass at a dinner party, and that it was written originally by a drunk fucking hack kike who got too old for the socialite drinking parties in hollywood.

>>84101826
It seems like you're more interested in a superficial adaptation of the character than one that actually understands the character to be honest.

>>84092680
Semi related but I thought Halle Barry with long hair and oversized clothes in Catwoman was hotter.

>>84101835
Kane is on everyone's best of list because anyone with any grasp of cinematic grammar understands that Kane was a genuine gamechanger.

>>84101835
And also, to add to that, Orson was too much of a pussy to call out Hearst for the BIG fucking thing he did. He fucking killed a guy, and hollywood and the media that he OWNED covered it up. He killed a guy while trying to kill Charlie FUCKING Chaplin of all people. If Welles REALLY WANTED to stick it to Hearst, why not include that little tidbit?

>>84101875
So were Star Wars and Jaws, but youll see the same "kinologists" bash those movies in the same sentence where they are sucking off Kane. Like I said, its an OK movie, but not the pinnacle. The behind the scenes shit is infinitely more interesting.

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>>84101792
I agree, actually. I just talk more about DeVito because Penguin is my favorite Batman villain.
I respect Pfeiffer for playing Catwoman as more than just a sexy seductress. Like Devito, you hear her talk in interviews and she has a pretty solid understanding of what the character is on more than just a base level. In some respects I would almost consider Catwoman to be the true protagonist of the movie, and Batman and Penguin to be opposite ends of a spectrum she dwells on.

And she did put a lot of physical work, too. She had to act with barely being able to hear herself talking and took weeks of whip practicing to get it right. And she actually did manage to hold those birds in her mouth.

Everyone in this movie was just perfectly in synch with their character and it was wonderful.

>>84101826
>Penguin is a formidable hand-to-hand combatant
Man, didn't I just post a panel above where Batman states that Penguin is not a formidable fighter even though he thinks he is ?

To be honest I can understand why you don't like DeVito's Penguin, I'm not saying you have to. I'm just stating why I don't think your criticisms on it are valid and why I think you have a superficial view on the character.

>>84101950
>And she actually did manage to hold those birds in her mouth.


And today they cant even get THE MOTHA OF DRAGUNS to fucking exercise and lose weight to play Sarah fucking Connor, or cast an actually cut and fit woman who can speak intelligible english to play Wonder Woman.

When did actresses turn to shit?

>>84101835
>its not the fucking pinnacle of cinema that everyone fucking wanks over
It isn't.
>it's an OK movie
It's definitely not just "ok", it is a technically, objectively, on most grounds for film criticisms, a great movie.

The only thing I hate about Citizen Kane is when people treat it like it's the absolute pinnacle of Orson's career, when he spent an entire career struggling to make movies and did eventually manage to produce better ones than Kane (like Chimes At Midnight). It's upsetting that snob critics treat Orson as just "the guy who made Citizen Kane" and disregard everything else he did.

>>84102022
SEE, THANK YOU.

Yes, when I say "OK", I actually do mean more than just ok, but at the same time most people forget that he m ade more than just that one thing, and that ONE THING damn near fucking ended him, in more ways than one even, as Hearst could have easily had him killed for it if he had wanted to. In fact, im willing to bet if Hearst hadnt been going through bankruptcy at the time, he very well may have made Orson disappear.

Honestly, real true to facts WR HEARST BIOPIC WHEN? The man was insane.

>>84102129
Yeah, Citizen Kane damn near ruined Welles and he himself thought later that it was too gimmicky (which is really how every director's first film goes). There are so many great things Orson did. He was a great magician. A bold entertainer. Master of theater. The voice of The Shadow. The absolute madman behind the War of the Worlds prank. Produced the swan dong for classic film noir. Revitalized action battles with Chimes At Midnight. Created a new style of documentary with F For Fake. And so on.
And what do snob critics and historians treat him as ? The man who made Citizen Kane. Even if you are not an Orson Welles fan, surely you agree it's disheartening.

And yeah Hearst was fucking insane, I'd like to see a more in-depth biopic of him now that he's dead and presumably he won't try to destroy the filmmaker who does it.

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>>84102278
>the swan dong
Fuck thats not what I meant

>>84101989
>>When did actresses turn to shit?

When women became worse

They don't have to make any kind of effort nowadays

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This movies catwoman design is still my favorite and nothing has topped it

>>84102327
Preferred the Rises costume. But Pfeiffer is a much better Catwoman.

>>84092298
Are there midgets in there? their balance is perfect

>>84101835
it has some pretty mind blowing cinematography for the time. you dont even realize it when you're watching it because so many films today use citizen kane cinematography but only because of modern technology.

as far as the story and stuff. i wasnt that impressed but if you're looking at the filmmaking aspect it's a fucking guidbook.

>>84095168
this is why people use reddit

>>84102370
The penguins used in the movie were a combination of actual penguins, animatronics and midgets in costumes

>>84091823
>a batman who kills
Thanks Edward Scissorhands director!

>>84100104
>>In yerms of where he falls? He's next to Jared Keto's Joker.

drink some water OP

>>84098712
follow the lightbeam in slowmotion

>>84101586
You don't deserve to be alive you miserable cunt

>>84101744
best catwoman scene

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNlmRId2FVQ

>>84101792
i imagine you can barely breathe in that suit

>>84102350
>Preferred the Rises costume

why? it was uninspired except for the cat ear goggles.

>>84102489
weirdest job day ever

>>84092298
Fuck this shit, companies just looking to sell shitty crap to make a buck dictating directions of movies. Queue Batman Forever & Batman & Robin. Fucking faggots.

>>84102592
wtf

>>84092107
how can something be this kino

>>84093981
>Jewish groups who felt offended by Penguin's characterization

oy vey... this is not actually true, r-right? RIGHT?

>>84102639
>>84102350

I dont think its so much of a costume, rather the fact that Hathaway has the most delicious body. It's easy to make that mistake.

>>84103434
Fuck off back to /pol/estine faggot. We're actually having a good /tv/ discussion and you're shitting it up with your maymays. Stupid fucking child.

>>84091823
Still the best capekino ever made.

>>84103510
oy gevalth, calm down khupack, gehtricht yourself

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>>84094476
>penquin is put in a basket and sent down the sewer as a baby
>Moses is put in a basket and send down the river as a baby

The writer of the movie was Jewish (not sure of Burton) so I doubt he was making an anti Semitic movie but he was clearly influenced by popular depiction of Jews and decided to turn it into a basis of a movie

I wonder if Tim Burton would ever come back and do another batman movie ? His recent movies haven't been great but that's mainly because of the script...his directing is still fine

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>>84103543
No seriously, kill yourself you underage faggot

is it weird that Devito still looks like he could play the penguin 1/4 of a century later?

>>84101950
>penguin is not a formidable fighter
Lol
https://youtu.be/OEdeqb8cYxk

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>>84101754
>>84100326
>>84100353
i can tell you've never actually explored your """fetish"""" when you can't recognise that it's vinyl

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>>84095168
i agree anon, here is something to calm you down

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>>84096248
>"Mistletoe can be deadly if you eat it"
>"Not as deadly as a pack of feral niggers"

You know I thought this line was a bit out of place but now it is starting to make sense.

>>84095682
holy shit i might try that on a rainy day

>sprays air freshener into this Cheeto-reeking thread

>>84092107
I love what this scene conveys: Bruce's true persona is Batman. Without it he is just empty.

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>>84098712
it would be the same, but the whole thing would be CGI and it would have the song "I need a hero" playing over it. And Bruce would be holding a gun for some reason.

>>84092498
I wish Tim Burton would try to pull more shit like that in his current films. He's completely lost his edge and his creativity. Maybe Alice in Wonderland wouldn't be so forgettable if the Jabberwocky turned people into bacon.

>>84097959
the leitmotifs Elfman came up with for Catwoman and Penguin are fantastic.

>>84098712
with a lot of ramping

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>>84107819
>A glass of... Nigger blood

I still can't believe they got away with that line. I heard Danny improvised it and threatened to kill Burton if he cut it out in editing.

>>84098860
>no fetish videos of Pfeiffer in that Catwoman outfit

please tell me there is something. Even if it's just the suit.

>>84102022
I love Chimes at Midnight man, but the sound quality of that film alone puts it a notch underneath his other works, like Touch of Evil and Citizen Kane.

Sheesh. If only there was a version of Chimes at Midnight that existed where you didn't need to set the volume on your tv to max while having subtitles to make out what the characters were saying...

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>David Bowie, who had been previously considered to play the Joker in Batman (1989), was the first choice for the part of Max Shreck before Christopher Walken was cast. Bowie turned down the role in favor of Twin Peaks
>Tim Burton was reportedly uncomfortable with casting Christopher Walken as Max Shreck. When asked why he said, "Because that man scares the hell out of me."

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>>84094325
retard

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This movie made me feel funny when I was a kid