/who/ - Doctor Who General

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>>84057160
>making doctor who a scifi shows is pandering

>>84057168
How can one like LOTGH but prefer Moffat over RTD?
Baffling.

>>84057142
Name something of substance that Moffat has given us.

>>84057190
>implying moffat hasnt written many worse episodes
>hurr durr moon is egg khaleesi

>>84057291
The political nonsense has been in all of his shit, it's just been pronounced enough for normies to notice in the most recent series.


I just wish Moffat would chuck Bill, it's annoying how everyone finds her ugly mug attractive and they keep forcing revisionist "blackz wuz everywhur" history.

>>84057390
>The political nonsense has been in all of his shit
Are you gonna give us any examples?

>>hurr durr moon is egg khaleesi
Moffat didn't write kill the moon

>and they keep forcing revisionist "blackz wuz everywhur" history.
I thought we already established that was the BBC's fault and not Moffats. I don't think he gives a fuck about some random extras

>>84057390
I actually like the nigger faggot. she isn't bulit up to be a universe saving demigod like the other nuwho companions.

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>"WEEEEE REEEEEMOVED IM-PER-FEC-TIONS"
>"What sort of imperfections, what are you talking about?"
>"HUUUUUUMANITY WAS COOONTROOOLLED BY THEIR TRI-BAL-IST-IC DIIIIIVI-SIONS"
>"Docta, what is dey on abou'?"
>"If I'm understanding them correctly.. they saw the biggest flaw stopping humanity from achieveing it's full potential.. was racism."
>"YES, THAAAAAAAAT IS COR-RECT"
>"Hol' up, docta, so they is actually the good guys innit? Equality fo' da peoples, innit?"
>"I'm not shure.. tell me, tin head, how did you achieve this racism free utopia?"
>"WEEEEEEEE KILLED ALL RA-CES WEEEEE DEEEEEMED TO BEEEE IN-FER-I-OR"
>"Oh mah daise, docta, they is like well propa evil racist and dat doe innit?"
>"You sicken me, patrolling the galaxy acting as a masterrace, when in reality you've removed everything that makes humanity so important, diversity, tolerance, understanding, love, interracial relationships, compassion, you're SILVER SUPREMACISTS!"
>"EEEEEEEEX-TER-MIN-ATE, THEEEEEEE CYBER RACE MUST BE PURE"
You know it's going to happen, lads. The only way they can write "villains" today is if they're evil shitlord racist homophobes.

Would the Doctor side with Reinhard or Yang?

>>84057390
>Name something of substance that Moffat has given us.
Weeping Angels
The War Doctor
The Eleventh Doctor
The Twelfth Doctor
Night of the Doctor
Clara Oswald
AMy Pond
River Song
Bill
Nardole
Missy
New Daleks
New Cyberman
Bringing back Gallifrey
and a ton of other shit I don't feel like mentioning

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>>84057390

>>84057503
>>84057589
>>84057629
Why are you guys responding to the shitty bait?

I can't believe that someone like LOGH and has such shit taste on Who.

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>>84057503
>example
Clara had a black boyfriend.
Literally black man white woman, it's practically a meme at this point.

>moffat didnt write kill moon
He said yes to it.

>bbcs fault
The BBC don't write shit like "lol history is totally whitewashed".

>>84057589
Fair viewpoint, but I preferred Martha as a random nigger companion.

>>84057629
Fucking hell, I've never seen so much bait in a single post!

>>84057637

>>84057685
>Literally black man white woman
I know this is bait but

All the female NuWho companions except Amy (who is Moffats character) has been BLACKED so what point are you even trying to make?

>>84057629
>weeping angels
shit monsters
>war Doctor
shoe in because Eccleston is still a cunt
>Clara, amy, River
possibly the worst characters in all of Doctor who. only saving grace is Jenna being hot.
>missy
shit
>bringing back Gallifrey
in the worst way imaginable. if /who/ wrote an episode one word per post it would still turn out better than hell bent

>>84057685
>>84057390
Cringe

>>84057685
>black man white woman

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>>84057768
Just because they all did it, it doesn't change the fact that Moffag also did it.
It's just ridiculous how there are so many black man + white woman interracial relationships in modern media but little else.
Not very diverse eh?

So people who hate Moffat, what other TV shows do you enjoy?

>>84057685
>Literally black

Is Legend of the Galactic Heroes actually good or is it just a meme?

>>84057848
>>84057788
>>84057685
>>84057390
GET OUT OF MY FUCKING GENERAL BOARDIES

>>84057888
It's fucking GOAT, anon. The first twenty or so episodes are kinda slow though.

>>84057596
>tfw no one replied to my shitpost

Official showrunner power rankings!
Holmes/Hinchcliffe
Gary Russell(big finish 2001-2004 eighth doctor main range)
Dicks/Betts(Third Doctor)
Verity Lambert
Paul Cornell trying tobherd a bunch of cats writing doctor who books in the early 90s
Phillip Segal
Whoever the fuck was running the second doctor and not getting him ratings or color tv
Whoever the fuck was running the 4th doctor before jnt but after hinchcliffe
Andrew Cartmel
JNT
Paul Cornell trying to get Richard E. Grant to give a shit
Moffat=RTD

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>>84057596
Love it senpai, you go gurl.
>>84057788
Nice taste mate.
>>84057991
>putting rtd below runner for 6th doctor

>>84058045
Timelash>Fear Her

Vengeance on Varos>Midnight.

Objectively, 6th doctor had better stories and never sunk to the shit level of fear her

>>84058093
But that's wrong, anon. That's very wrong.

>>84058045
JNT made caves of androzani happen. Name a single non-Moffat story objectively on that level.

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>>84058093
>putting midnight and fear her in the same post

>>84057596
This would be kind of cool

What was the result of that "women in the shop" plot again?

>>84058637
It was Missy

>>84058691
yea but why did she pair up clara and the doctor

>>84058727
Because they were perfect for eachother or some shit
I don't know anon don't think to much about it

>>84058727
to stir shit

Fuck you Cloister

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>>84057629
Literally none of that has any substance. You don't actually know what substance means, do you?

>weeping angels
>substance

They're spooky statues that send people back in time amd can only move when you're not looking at them. Well. except for all those episodes when they don't. But either way, they're literally just a concept. They have no substance or depth. There is no answer to "why" the Angels are what they are, and do what they do. That doesn't mean it's a bad concept! But in this case, substance would literally defeat the entire purpose of the concept.

Imagine if Doctor Who was like this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_z9hBtN7pGw

>>84059868
i'd watch it. can't be worse than the moffat era.

>>84057850
In order

Six Feet Under
the Sopranos
the Wire
Twin Peaks
Band of Brothers
Mad Men
the Shield

Probs more, but of exclusively Brit stuff

Brideshead Revisited
I, Claudius
Edge of Darkness
State of Play
Boys from the Blackstuff
The Street
Alan Bennett's Talking Heads

Of sci-if

BSG (00's)
Black Mirror

Of historicals

Deadwood
Rome
Wolf Hall

>>84059868
>>84059900
I have seen this, at least one series/season of it. Tunes are surprisingly catchy.I think it would come on before bear and the big blue house. Pretty sure they would air a cosmetics commercial featuring Tina while Sclub7 was airing stateside. It was disconcerting.

I miss 2007
The year when literally everyone was happy with Doctor Who
we were young and excited about Russel T 'genius god writer' Davies being in charge with a new Doctor
we were adoring David Tennant
we were hyped as fuck for The Master
we were getting quality promotion for the series
and people just loved each other
LITERALLY EVERYONE WAS SATISFIED

I miss these times so bad tbqh

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primewire ag/tv-2794269-Whovians/season-1-episode-10
New Whovians for those interested.

I miss 2007
The year when Doctor Who was still that weird show nobody in my high school knew about
we were young and scared of Russell T "Rhinos on the moon" Davies being in charge of a Doctor
we were all right with David Tennant
we were somewhat hyped but then confused by The Master
we were getting little international promotion for the series
and people just hated each other
LITERALLY EVERYONE WAS PISSY

I miss these times so bad tbqh

Whovians Episode 10

Uploaded So That You Don't Have To Trust Links From That Old Man That Still Posts Here Edition

https://mega.nz/#F!9GB3CYrI!XQ0sYoyySM6waCFYdfUTLA

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>>84060828
>mfw cloister won't live to see the 50th anniversary.

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>A Mondasian Cyberman
Yeah this was definitely Capaldi's doing. Fucking awful line.

>>84060828
A bit rude desu senpaitachi. I'm just trying to be helpful.
>>84060905
Again you mean? Once is probably enough

>>84060905
>tfw Cloister is already dead
Miss him miss him

>this trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9I_Xp9-1-c
Jesus why didn't the BBC or Doctor Who official youtube channel upload this one? It sets the tone for the episode much better, but instead we get the usual cheesy tripe.

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YOUR OATH, SIR!
OUR FRIEND DOWN THERE!
LOOK AT ME!

>>84059849
Remember when we were meant to get an Angels origin story this season?

>>84061001
Well, you are a wraith after all.

>>84057596
You appear to have confused the Cybermen with Daleks. If this was a Dalek story then I would have laughed but the Cybermen only upgraded out of necessity to survive after Mondas got flung out of the solar system.

You've got Bill down to a T though.

>>84058218
Midnight
Dalek
Utopia/The Sound of Drums
Bad Wolf/Parting of the Ways

Finish this sentence.
Doctor who? more like Doctor _____

>>84062033
SHITE

I'm not very familiar with Chibnall, but do we have an idea of any writers. directors, or other people he might bring along with him to work on the show?

>>84057629

>War Doctor
>something of substance

>>84062146
It's looking like Mark Gatiss won't be returning.

>>84062146
The best thing you could do I guess is watch Broadchurch, who he is the showrunner and writer on for every episode. There's honestly no way to know what his plans are. Good show though, really. probably one of the best crime dramas I've seen.

>>84062267
>Chibnall era confirmed GOAT

>>84062359
at least he left on a high note, right?

>>84062267
Gaypiss would make a great Master.

>>84062146
Supposedly he's good friends with director James Strong. He did 7 episode over the first two series of Broadchurch, 7 Who episodes under RTD, and 2 for Torchwood as well. Here are his relevant Who credits:

The Impossible Planet/The Satan Pit
Daleks in Manhattan//Evolution of the Daleks
Voyage of the Damned
Partners in Crime
Planet of the Dead

Cyberwoman
They Keep Killing Suzie

We have no way of knowing for sure of course, but given his previous experience on the show, it's not unlikely we'll see him return.

>>84057629
I accept the bait.

>Weeping Angels
Cool at first then got progressively shittier. He fucked that one up completely. Blink was great, the two-parter was good, then he was out of ideas. What the shit was Angels Take Manhattan? There's a reason they haven't been used in any substantial way since: they were a cool idea that Moffat fucked up by being himself. This is a recurring theme.

>The War Doctor
How was he really any different from the Doctor? He's billed as this regeneration who committed such heinous atrocities that the doctor practically erased all memory of him, and then he shows up as all in all a pretty standard old man who might be a little grumpy but is never seen doing anything nearly as bad. Moffat's problem is he writes characters talking about all the cool shit the doctor has done but he never actually SHOWS us any of that.

>The Eleventh Doctor
I liked him fine.

>The Twelfth Doctor
Great doctor held back by complete shit writing. Series 8 almost put me off the show.

>Night of the Doctor
...

>Clara Oswald
The worst nuwho companion. The Clara Oswald Show Featuring The Doctor was not a good look for the show.
Also another example of Moffat's signature move, the interesting setup followed by a disappointing payoff. The whole impossible girl thing was interesting but once she lost that appeal in such a shit fashion we were left with a bland character and not much else.

>Amy Pond
Alright.

>River Song
Again, interesting setup, laughably disappointing payoff. Moffat pulled a Moffat.

>Bill
I like her, she's cool.

>Nardole
Awesome

>Missy
I get it, she's CRAZY. Moffat can't write women.

>New Daleks
The Daleks have never been less threatening. Say what you will about RTD, at least he made the Daleks intimidating.

>New Cyberman
So bad they brought back Mondasian ones.

>Bringing back Gallifrey
And doing fuck all with that idea

>and a ton of other shit I don't feel like mentioning
Because they'd all end up disappointing too,

>>84057850
Are you implying that Moffat writes good TV shows?

>>84058727
Because Moffat sets up interesting plot points that never have any kind of satisfactory payoffs. See: all of Matt Smith's run and all four seasons of Sherlock.

>>84059963
Nice taste

>>84062539
The man really needs to work backwards from amazing revelation first.

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ITS HAPPENING

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Episode 11/12 summary
>The virus from the 2nd Monk episode is what prompts humans to replace themselves with mechanical parts in an attempt to cure themselves forever of it.
>Missy/the Master and the Doctor essentially swap roles for this story. Missy is initially given the Doctor's role of 'saving everyone', but when he eventually discovers this involves Cyberconverting the humans, he has to stop her plans.
>Mondas is the earth's twin in the sense that it was the reality which the Monks averted

>>84063091
This doesn't make any sense
If you're going to make fake spoilers at least put some effort into it

>>84063091

Real episode 11/12 summary:

>The Doctor, Missy, Bill and Nardole arrive on a large space ship. The Doctor and Nardole play table tennis for the entire episode while Missy and Bill talk about UNIT Dating. Oh and the Master appears.

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THE ABSOLUTE STATE OF WHO ADDICTS

>>84063549

>The Eaters of Light
>No views

It's like pottery.

>>84063549
POTTERY
O
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>>84063549
Why did that ass who was hit by a car leave? I just saw a comment saying hes gone

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ANTI-PLASTIC

>>84064417
Anti-Plastic?

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>>84064442
AAANTI-PLASTIC

>>84064442
you fuck, im supposed to reply to that :(

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>>84064417
>>84064465
>tfw we will never see kino like this episode again

>>84064991

Why are their faces offset?

>>84063886
University work apparently

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>>84065027
homage to this

>>84065093
they were faggots anyway, i heard him say one of his favs was journeys end so i never watched again

>>84063091
>the humans
>Mondas is Earth's twin in the sense that it was the reality which the monks averted

You haven't seen The Tenth Planet, have you?

>less than 3m viewers
>AI of 81
Is The Eaters of Light officially the worst received episode ever?

>>84065984
yes

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HAPPENING

>>84066245
STRAWBERRY
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D
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>>84066245
>capaldi's last finale
>instead of anything about capaldi or the story itself they slap "WHO'S NEXT?" on the cover in huge letters
RT is brutal

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Remember when River and the Doctor spent 24 years staring at giant stone horsecocks?

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>>84061945
>You appear to have confused the Cybermen with Daleks
He's not the first to do it either

>>84066608
Explain

>>84062473
>>The War Doctor
>How was he really any different from the Doctor? He's billed as this regeneration who committed such heinous atrocities that the doctor practically erased all memory of him, and then he shows up as all in all a pretty standard old man who might be a little grumpy but is never seen doing anything nearly as bad.
Yeah, War never does anything that really sells that premise, and the end result of Day of the Doctor (no one will remember the events of today because of timey wimey bullshit) just leaves me feeling like his whole supposed redemption arc (that we never really saw any part of aside from the redemption) was moot.

On the flip side, I have to hand it to Hurt because his acting runs circles around Tennant's and Smith's, and I can't think of a better choice for the Doctor who had to make the momentous choice of using the Moment. Honestly, not even Eccleston could have pulled that scene off as perfectly as Hurt did.

I'm so divided on this character. On one hand, he's a living, breathing retcon that bothers the shit out of me but on the other hand, you sort of have to hand to Moffat for making the best of a bad situation.

>>84066715
RTD made the Cybermen into Daleks lite by giving them a meme catchphrase patterned after the Daleks and making it in their nature to upgrade other lifeforms which they deem as inferior, rather than upgrading being something they did out of necessity.

Cybus was a mistake

>>84066729
>you sort of have to hand to Moffat for making the best of a bad situation.
he made the situation, and he could've cast mcgann REEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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>>84064668
You think that's kino? Have I got Whos for you!

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>>84059963
>falling for the wire meme

What happened with the breast implants that came alive during Rose?

what was the revelation from sunday midnight? i was drunk all day yesterday

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>>84066898
>i was drunk all day yesterday
Paint alcoholism, anon.

>>84066790
I honestly think that Moffat wanted the Doctor to reach his 13 regeneration limit by the 50th anniversary year for some kind of bizarre metanarrative purpose. Hence contriving shit like the War Doctor and counting Handy as a proper regeneration.

It's pretty clear that Moffat was trying to make 2013 the most epic year in Doctor Who history yet by revealing that the Doctor has now suddenly lived 2000 years, over half of which has been as Eleven, fighting this desperate war on this planet where he's prophesied to die his final death only to get a new regeneration cycle at the last minute by the powers of deus ex machina. This was probably done to commemorate the 50th anniversary.

To me, it felt more self-ingratiating than anything else. Eleven is the *most important Doctor EVER* because he's Moffat's Doctor.

>>84066970
it is detryoing my life
but Guinness is my only love

>>84066982
And somehow it manages to standout more than and be more grating than RTD doing multiple "The Doctor is Jesus" stories

what is the chance of another status quo switcheroo?
like missy is the doctor and not the master
and she was evil because Valeyard

>kill owen half way through the series
>bring him back
>dies in the finale anyway
What was the fucking point?

>>84062012
>midnight
Compared to caves of androzani? Its literally people echoing lines back at eachother without any real plot. Its finely acted, but you just compared a really good hamburger to a Fillet Mignon.

>Dalek.
A classic? Ok. You got me. But i'd still rate it below caves. Jubilee(the original) is on the level of Caves, but Dalek is a step below.

>Utopia/Sound
You're cherry picking anon. Theres 3 episodes to this and the third one is utter shit. The first two are fantastic but are completely let down by one of the worst season finales in the show's history. And I'm counting that among the Twin Dilemma(which is really only shit in its first episode, then is passable afterwards)

>bad wolf/parting of the ways
The fury of the time war reduced to a few missiles, some game show bullshit, and super powered rose. Its not a bad story(In fact this might be the farthest Rusty ever got from the Soap Opera style. Kudos to him), but it was a bit disappointing: a space station full of asshole tv executives(your tele is your therapy there rusty) whom we're supposed to root for when suddenly the daleks are in play. Nope, I was rooting for the daleks to mow down the fucks. Maybe next time the background characters can be sympathetic. Then a story like thus really could be a classic.

I would have included Gridlock or Waters of Mars if you wanted to put something anywhere near Caves.

>>84067223
These opinions are truly terrible
I bet you like Hell Bent

>>84066982
It was also Moffat wanting to put his stamp all over the mythology.

The Time War? He throws his own new Doctor in there, and actively changes the outcome. The Doctor originally leaving Gallifrey? Clara was there, telling him which TARDIS to take. The regeneration limit? Let's contrive a way so Steven Moffat is the writer to overcome it. Clips of the old series? Sure, but let's throw Clara into them all.

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Why didint Moffat give us bearded Capaldi....

Capaldi has an Oscar

Remember when a certain showrunner fucked up the timeline just for a joke? And forgot about it?

>>84067367
wut?

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>>84067288

>>84066760
The point was that the parallel cybermen were that universe's Daleks, they even have a leader in a wheelchair

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Why are they so fucking sexy?

>>84067523
I like Slitheen

>>84066760
Cybermen were a mistake. How did something so boring got so "iconic"?

Series 10 wasted too much time on shit monks

>>84066760
>Cybus was a mistake
RTD worked well but should had a Fan to say to him, what was over the board or not

>>84067523
Would you date a Slitheen?

>>84067611
only a Blatereen
Slitheen are the muslims of Raxacoricofallapator

Expect similar/worse overnights for World Enough and Time - it's on at 6:45pm again, on a Saturday when the weather is hot.

>>84067611
Only if they killed me during sex

>>84067672
People will go "oh but iPlayer and catch up will bump up the millions"... but it won't. Reminder that Lie of the Land failed to hit 4.82m after a whole week. Eaters got an even lower overnight than Lie, so it'll struggle to hit anywhere near 5m probably

RIP Series 10

>>84066982
I always thought it was because Moffat really wanted to be the one to write the regeneration cycle episode. Which would've been forgivable if he'd actually done something interesting with it.

Christmas special title: "I'm Dreaming of a (Cis) White (Man) Christmas"

>>84067672
WEaT is a finale though

>>84067561
I mean, he copied spare parts and thought it would be enough. But he Rusty'd up the script and it became terrible. Honestly it would have been better if he had just taken an exact copy of the script, crossed out "Nyssa" and wrote "Rose" in.

>>84059963
This post was made by Lawrence Miles

>>84067763
Won't matter

>>84060329
I wasn't. I was sick of the tacky, soap opera shit. Also, visually, it was disgusting.

>>84062273
>Broadchurch
>one of the best crime dramas I've seen

get better taste holy shit

>>84067759
what is supposed to be the joke here anon

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DID SOMEONE CALL FOR THE GOLDEN AGE OF DOCTOR WHO?!?!?

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>>84067865
I did.

>>84067177
who the fuck is owen

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>>84067882
>he didn't watch torchwood

>>84067896
no of course not

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>>84067880
THEN YOU GOT IT ANON! Doctor Who:The Movie Novel as Narrated by Paul McGann

https://1drv.ms/f/s!AowbbMC4obtAgX6wo5egfCxWqvHd

WELCOME TO THE GOLDEN AGE

>>84068040
I wonder how different Doctor Who would be if it never got cancelled and brought back

>>84068096
90s Doctor Who would've been great.

McCoy probably would've left either mid way through or at the end of Season 27, along with Ace, though and that would've been shit.

So throughout the dozens of series of Doctor Who from the 60s until about 2012 everyone has been constantly noticing the Silence and then forgetting about them? And the whole of humanity has been doing the same thing for thousands of years?

Or did they retcon away the Silence occupation? Hopefully, it's beyond fucking retarded.

Is Empress of Mars worth watching? Can't be fucked watching the last Monks episode but trying to get halfway caught up before the underwhelming finale.

>>84068165
No

>>84068165
Yeah, it's pretty fun

PLUS ALPHA CENTAURI

>>84068120
Nah, I've heard McCoy's lost stories audios for season 27 and its bretty gud. Combine that with some of the cartmel influenced new adventures, and give it a hiatus or two and it could have hit the mark.

I think by the 90s there was enough of a scifi boom that there were writers around enough to have something that would have worked. By 1996, the next generation and deep space 9 had ended, and with the right headwriter(DC Fontana?) you might have had a masterpiece

>>84058218
Caves of Androzani happened -despite- JNT
He refused to use old writers, Saward had to convince him to let Holmes write something

>>84068122
No because it only started happening in the timeline after the time war where the doctor died at trenzalore permanently, the silence took the tardis console and crashed it onto earth where Craigs apartment was, and then were able to influence everything.

Since the doctor didnt die at trenzalore, the silence never came back to make series 5-7 happen. It only exists as a temporal paradox: the events made our current timeline happen, but the events to make series 5-7 happen don't exist

>>84068040
>Paul McGann
manlet

>>84068289
>Caves of Androzani
overrated crap
nothing happens

>>84068331
are you dumb

>>84068331
Technically nothing ever happens on Doctor Who.

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>>84068349
Its bait, anon.

>>84067517
Never thought of it that way, interesting perspective but it doesn't change the fact that Cybusmen were a pointlessly contrived retcon that will never be used again.

>>84068122
There are like seven different alien species who have been influencing human evolution/development over the years in Doctor Who canon, it's a pretty old plot device

>>84068349
argument in favour of Androzani please
I bet you liked Empress too

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>>84068326
That's BASED manlet to you.

>>84068395
>that will never be used again.
What do you mean? The cybus cybermen have been the only cybermen for the past 10+ years in the show. They'll probably continue to be the main cybermen after this finale too, unfortunately.

>>84068431
Actually they were the telos cybermen in AGMGTW

>>84068431
Wrong

>>84068465
>>84068483
They're indistinguishable from the cybus cybermen. Someone hinting off the show that they're actually not cybus, or the logo missing, doesn't mean shit.

>>84068526
How about the entirety of Nightmare in Silver being focused on the fact that these are the remaining Cybermen after the Cyber-War, a conflict from the Classic Series?

>>84068395
>retcon
Nope. They were just another 'branch' or variant, much like the NuSilurians.

>>84068526
>>84068550
>>84068554
Frankly, apart from autist fans, who gives a fuck

>>84068573
yes, RTD fucked that
the logo less are Telosians

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makes me wish the finale was Capaldi's exit, and Xmas was Ep1 of #13

>>84068550
>>84068618
They're written exactly the same as the cybus cybermen. Who cares about superficial lore changes when they're still stomping around and shouting DELETE?

>>84068669
and they were poopy against the Daleks

did doctor who memes exist in 2008?
post them

>>84068669
Name one time since 2011 that the Cybermen have said "DELETE"

>>84068704
No

>>84068713
Thought not

>>84068727
Okay

>>84068704
SEB: These emotions, they're terribly difficult. But, you know, we've got a thing for that. We can help with all these difficult feelings. Just press this.
(On the screen, next to the name Danny Pink, is a button marked Delete.)

>>84068704
CYBER-DANNY: Emotion. It deletes emotions. Please. I don't want to feel like this.

>>84068764
>>84068789
Understandable, have a great day

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Given the massive media furore over the casting of new Doctors these days, it’s fascinating to look back to 1966 and see this titchy little afterthought of an announcement in the Manchester Guardian!

>>84068851
This is better, it's not massive earthshattering news.

What if this entire series has been set on Mondas all along?

>>84068896
>it's not massive earthshattering news.
Arguably, it was back then. That's literally the first time they did it. It would've been so strange and unexpected.

wtf is this

https://twitter.com/0tralala/status/876767024244031490

>>84068940
They kept it quite lowkey though, even to the point of hyping up Troughton's debut more as "the Daleks are back!" rather than "a new Doctor Who!" just in case people didn't warm to the idea.

>>84068989
Yeah, it was a risk and they were scared about it.

>>84068954
Paper Dolls. Are you fucking stupid?

>>84068954
I believe that is what you call a tweet

>>84069014
yes

>new Ten audios announced
>hype increasing
>it's a Rose companion set
>hype dead

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>>84069116
who cares about Ten ear stories when we have the War Master?

>>84058218
wtf?, I can't think of one. The only stories I can think of on that level are Moff ones.

>>84069171
Put your trip back on, Cats.

>>84069206
how to get trips?

>>84068931
dont you think the doctor might've noticed after spending decades at the university

>>84067367
What??

>>84058727
becos Clara likes to be in charge and is kinda bossy (maybe an understatement), and that is not the kind of companion the Doctor needs to be his best.

>>84058762
>>84069271
Because the master loves fucking with the doctor

Do you people even watch the show

>A Mondasian cyberman

>>84069255
Bill mentioned Netflix at one point, so i the Cybs mention Stranger Things or Sense8, then that's foreshadowing

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>>84069350
>A Skaronian Dalek

But which is the better character /who/

Twelve or Malcolm Tucker?

I'm literally pressing the play button on Sleep No More RIGHT NOW, fuck it

>>84069413
Capaldi actually feels like he puts passion into his performance as Malcolm

I don't think he does as 12

>rewatching series 8
holy shit i forgot how bad of an actor this danny pink character is

>>84069460
To be fair playing the Doctor must be utterly exhausting. Imagine waking up at 4am to film shite like that dire Monk three parter, knowing it's dreadful, in a hot country, wearing a great big coat, with only a couple of breaks before finishing at midnight.

>>84069206
I'm not Cats. I'm the she-anon with 2 kids. And I'll be gone for awhile soon anyway, gotta do the school run. And the air con has died in my car so it'll be hell. I hate heatwaves.

>>84069413
Fuck's sake! Jesus Christ! We'll never get another fucking adjective... 'til I get to fucking smug and glum... we're fucking retarded! Jesus Christ! Do you not think it would have been germane to check who you're talking to... It's a fucking newspaper office, it's not a fucking sanatorium for the fucking deaf, is it? Are you so dense? Am I gonna have to run around slapping badges on people with a big tick on it, with a big cross on others so you know when to shut your gob and when to open it? Jesus Christ... Oh but that would probably confuse you as well, won't it, that'd be too confusing, you'd see the cross and go "oh, X marks the spot, better tell this little person all about the Prime Minister's fucking catastrophic erectile dysfunction". Oh but, not to worry. Not to worry, you've sent fucking Ollie over there to deal with it... Fucking Ollie! He's a fucking knitted scarf... fucking balaclava!

He's so awkward, bless him. And Matt looks shy as hell. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Zim8zL3Q5k

>>84069474
I go to rewatch S8 episodes but the thought of Danny just makes me stop

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>>84057768
Don't drag poor Mickey into this
Mickey was the one who got cucked

>>84069544
>Imagine waking up at 4am to film shite like that dire Monk three parter, knowing it's dreadful, in a hot country, wearing a great big coat, with only a couple of breaks before finishing at midnight
With Adam Orford waiting outside the door every time.

https://www.oddschecker.com/tv/doctor-who/next-doctor

>Tom Rosenthal's odds are getting smaller
>He's creeping to the top

It's happening isn't it?

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>>84067517
This is what I always thought

>>84069645
Imagine being dumb enough to think that shit matters

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>>84069645
>https://www.oddschecker.com/tv/doctor-who/next-doctor

>>84069714
Where gif from? Looks kino.

>>84069747
WEAT

World Enough and Time

Scene 1 :
The Doctor and Bill are walking through the university campus through a corridor, stairs, to the canteen to (to get kebabs). Then they go to the roof where they eat. Throughout these scenes, the Doctor tells Bill he wants to test Missy. The Doctor thinks Missy is trying to change and that he really wants to help her change. Then the Doctor has an "emotion"... Bill protests that Missy scares her. At some point, the Doctor tells Bill that humans pop like balloons. Then Bill says to the Doctor the line we saw from the next time trailer, “Just promise you won’t get me killed.”

Bill is in the hospital in the operating theatre. There are two clocks in there giving two different days and times. The surgeon flicks a switch and she falls asleep. When she wakes up, she’s in a recovery ward in a dilapidated hospital. In there is a mixture of new and old equipment. She is attached to a drip feed.

There are two clocks in this room too: A DAY TWO clock which says 10:45 and another one that says DAY 36505 and 23.30. Razor (the Simm Master in disguise) is standing over her. He appears as a scarred, scruffy man with a beard. He notices she’s awake and tells her to go back to sleep. Bill is alarmed. She doesn’t know what is going on. Razor suddenly leaves. As Bill falls back asleep, a patient cries out in the dark, saying the same words. "Pain, pain pain, etc." and she still hears this when she next wakes up. The cries are coming from another room. Bill tries to sit up.

>>84069969
She has a flashback of standing on a bridge with a charred, blackened hole going right through her chest. Bill frantically reaches for her chest to find the hole replaced by machinery! She then looks up to see the Doctor at the end of the bed. He's staring at her intensely. She calls out to the Doctor and he tells her to wait for him in an urgent whisper.She blinks and he’s gone and doesn’t know if she imagined him. She continues to hear “Pain, pain pain…”

She sees an open door. A door which leads to a corridor. Bill doesn’t know where she is or why she is alive. She checks herself again. She realises she is not restrained in any way except for the drip feed, which is on a stand on squeaky castors. She is weak. She pulls herself up holding onto the stand. She is in a long, thin hospital ward with rows of beds of sleeping people with drip feeds. The DAY TWO clock still says 10:45. The other clock now says DAY 365036 and 00.23. Bill is puzzled. She walks towards the door.

She then steps into the corridor. She looks at the signs along the corridor and sees a door that says, “OUT”.

>>84069990
Bill and Razor leave the hospital and walk along a bleak, grey, foggy street in the city/spaceship with a steel ceiling. The housing and the buildings in the city are of dilapidated brutalist architecture. Everyone they pass looks pale, weak and sickly. Bill comments on how sick they look. Razor tells her that it was a good place hundreds of years ago when the settlers first came. Now the city/ship is old, rusty and dying and engine fumes poison the air. Razor tells Bill the people must evolve to survive. Sadly they aren’t evolving fast enough. People are staggering down the street, carrying their belongings and suitcases.

They're led by Special Patients with drip feeds. The Special Patients are what the film crew called “topknots” during filming. They are headed to the hospital. Razor tells Bill that the Special Patients are strong. Bill notes that the Special Patients are in pain. Razor tells her that the Special Patients will be cured and Operation Exodus will begin and everyone will leave the city. He says they'll climb through the ship and take command of it. Bill wonders why they don’t go up right now as there are lifts. Razor tells her that they need to be strong and that he’s been up there and it’s dangerous. There was an expedition to floor 507, many years ago to the largest solar farm and they never returned. Bill staggers, gasps for breath.

Razor taps her chest unit. The chest unit says, “Warning: return to the hospital.” twice. Razor tells Bill that she needs to be strong to leave the hospital. He also tells her that she will be strong very soon. Razor helps Bill back to the hospital. A Special Patient, looking more like a Mondasian Cyberman with a slit cut for its mouth, stares out from a hospital window...

After this there is a scene where Razor takes Bill to the operating theatre. Then Bill and Razor watch the operating theatre being locked up. Razor has a burgling mask in this scene. This maybe where he gets revealed.

>>84061679
Bullet dodged. I was happy with the hint (?) in EoT where Rassilon made the dissenters kneel like the Angels. I like the idea of it being a warped Time Lord punishment from the days of the Time War. Dissenters sentenced to literally live on Borrowed Time, left on enemy worlds to disrupt their plans. If they refuse to fight, they die.

>>84068526
This is exactly why the Cybus backstory was such a needless contrivance.

No one wants to use the Cybus Cybermen anymore but they have to reuse the props, leaving the writers specify off-screen that those weren't actually Cybusmen (despite looking just like them). It's sloppy.

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HELLO YOU

>>84070125
Hello... You?

>>84070027
So where's the Missy/ Nardole/ Bill stuff?

>>84070104
>but they have to reuse the props
I mean, they don't /have to/.

Annoyingly, Moffat said he wanted to update the Cyberman design in 2010 (to shake off the Cybus backstory, which he's tried to do whilst being stuck with the Cybus design, leading to a mess) but they spent too much money elsewhere, including on those bastard Paradigm Daleks. If they hadn't bothered with the Paradigms, we could've had new Cybies in 2010.

>>84070306

Are the new Paradigm Daleks the biggest mistake in Doctor Who?

>>84070275
Probably interwoven somehow/somewhere. This is Moffat, so we could jump around in time a fair amount, or see two swathes of plot happen parallel to each other, etc.

Which Cyberman would be the worst to be upgraded to?

>>84070331
Nope, that'd be The Twin Dilemma / JNT not leaving with Davison.

>>84070353
A Cybershade, probably.

>>84070353

The Windows ME Cyberman.

>>84069969
>>84069990
>>84070027
It's quite surprising just how much we've seen or found out or spoiled about WEAT, yet we know basically /nothing/ about The Doctor Falls.

And knowing Steven likes to make his Part Twos quite a departure from the first half, who knows what we'll get.

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Finale poster leaked

What makes Cybermen weak is that the show just expect me to assume that becoming Cyberman is terrible.

I mean, sure, forcibly converting people is a dick move, but are you tell me nobody ever wanted to ditch their frail meat body for a better metal one? Not a single old, crippled or sick person?

moffat in late 2016
>NARDOLE IS THE KEY TO ALL OF THIS!!! HE HAS HIS REASONS TO BE HERE!!! HE'S IMPORTANT TO THE PLOT!!!

What did he mean by this? No, he isn't that important. He's funny but he isn't THE KEY.

>>84070493
Probably be a really ridiculous plot thing in Ep12.

Since we have Bill being converted, plus Cybermen, coming up... what's the betting Nardole being made up of 'spare parts' somehow plays a role?

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Sleep No More isn't quite as bad as its reputation here led me to believe - it's no Time-Flight, that's for sure.

But it is self-congratulatory, makes no sense (literally what even happened in this story and why?) and the eyegoop monsters are clearly Gatiss' attempt at writing a Moffat monster - something everyday and mundane, playing on kids' fear etc.

On the plus side, The Doctor and Clara are great together, some of the dialogue was pretty funny and it was at least an attempt at doing something interesting with the found footage shit.

Although, the direction was kind of motion-sickness-inducing and unclear, people quoting Shakespeare as if anyone gives a fuck are incredibly annoying, nuWho episodes are too short, the "not just [a pretty face]" line from Clara made me want to DIE, le capitalism is bad xD, the monsters are supposed to be blind but are still distracted by the dancing women...

And how is it a man who "hasn't slept in 5 years", surely it should be "has been sleeping for 5 years?"

What the FUCK was the deal with that guy recording the message, what was his plan etc. Is it suppose to not make any sense?

The more I think about it, the more I think it really is as bad as Time-Flight

there is a hidden in plain view next Doctor happening for sure
Moffag wants to smear his last poop

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>>84070417
Honestly, I think this fanart better than the official poster. As usual. Why is everyone who is involved in the creation of Doctor Who, except for some actors, do their work so badly?

>>84070331
Painting them shit colours was, they look fine in muted red etc

>>84070580
>this fanart better than the official poster
Because it makes sense in context to the original DOTD poster

>involved in the creation of Doctor Who, except for some actors, do their work so badly?
It's not even bad anon. It doesn't make sense and I don't think you can do any better

What I wanna know is: why are later models of the Cybermen (2006/2013) involved if this is all about the Mondasians?

>>84070460
But muh emotions

>>84070541
Theoretically, it should be a story with unreliable narrator. The only thing we should know for sure is that Sandmen exist and are created by special signal applied to human brain.

The first problem with that is that considering average quality of Doctor Who, story being shitty and making no sense can not be considered a foreshadowing that story is a fabrication. Second, it's a very dull episode and lighting makes it hard to see what's happening. Finally, Sandmen are overexplained again, with the same broken logic that brought down Kill the Moon, but that's subjective.

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>>84070600
Nah, the worst bit was the fucked up proportions.

>>84070541
>something everyday and mundane, playing on kids' fear etc.
Oh god yeah, kids were always terrified of eyegoop.

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>>84070724
you're right.

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>>84070724

>>84070799
There they go, shakin' that ass on tha' floor

>>84070737
Well actually I was thinking more about the "something in the corner of your eye" thing, which is pretty much a rip of The Silence

>>84070715

It was hard to see, yeah. If it's an attempt at unreliable narrator, it's a shit one because it's completely unclear that's what they're going for. I was making a note of plotholes throughout, and a couple of them were addressed I think but then the rest just leave me thinking, what the fuck, this is really poorly written.

Were they overexplained? It was a stupid idea anyway.

"friend"

https://twitter.com/CultBoxTV/status/876810698248134658

Can the Master be considered a main character now?

>>84070724
God, that slat with two columns of dalek balls on it is disgusting, I hadn't even noticed the original daleks had the same thing going on until right now.

They look fine from the front but that angle is so unflattering.

The New Paradigm Daleks are like when somebody sends you a dick pic and they have a pretty impressive shaft, but a tiny little head that looks malformed and as if the foreskin is strangling it

>>84070837
More a 'recurring' character, the same way he was in Season 8 and Series 8, but he/she will likely now vanish again for a series or three before a return.

>>84070882
I'd consider him a main character desu. I feel like I know then just as well as the Doctor by now.

>>84070870
>The New Paradigm Daleks are like when somebody sends you a dick pic and they have a pretty impressive shaft, but a tiny little head that looks malformed and as if the foreskin is strangling it
kek

Anyone hoping we might get a Mondasian Cyberman called Krang or Krail in the finale, as a direct link back to Tenth Planet?

>>84070332
WHY CAN'T THIS HACK FUCK JUST WRITE A NORMAL, ENJOYABLE DOCTOR WHO STORY INSTEAD OF THIS GRIMDARK MECHANICS OF TIMETRAVEL BULLSHIT

>>84070930
The fuck does The Tenth Planet have to do with the new Cybermen?

>>84071056
It's not like you can write anything better anon

>>84071269
>you're not allowed to criticise writers unless you yourself are a writer

Really makes you think.

>>84071425
you are not allow to criticize gays unless youve been sodomized

This is exactly how the next two weeks will go.

World Enough and Time
>well paced, well written, sad but still funny
>cliffhanger which will make your brain explode
>Capaldi performance shines through
>"Bravo Moffat, instant classic"
>"RTD BTFO, pls stay Moffgod!"

The Doctor Falls
>Feels rushed despite being a longer episode
>Missy and Simm fucking about with le funny quips for the majority of the episode
>cliffhanger resolved within 10 minutes
>Bill's horrible fate reversed by the Power of Love
>Nardole probably killed for cheap emotion
>Capaldi sidelined and fucked AGAIN by Moffat's awful writing despite valiantly struggling against that fat fuck's torrent of shit

Last year it was The Clara Oswald Show featuring The Doctor, this year has been better but it's falling apart at the end again.

>>84071425
Gallifrey Base's stock reponse to anyone who fields any criticism.

>>84071489
>Last year it was The Clara Oswald Show featuring The Doctor,

This meme needs to die

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>>84071489
>The Clara Oswald Show

>>84067177
He dies again. Don't worry

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>>84071269
>you can only criticise someone if you are better than them

My Doctor Who would be awful, I can't write at all, but that doesn't mean I can't recognise Moffat's shit for what it is. At least with the gay Welshman you got the feeling he actually cared about writing something good even if it turned out to be shit, with Moffat it's all about:

1. Showing how smart he is
2. How amazing his creations are

>>84071527
they even put her top billing once

>>84071489
>This

>>84071489
>is

>>84067177
Owen is the best character and zombie Owen was even better.

It was probably a metaphor for his overall depressiveness until he finally found solace in a nuclear meltdown.

>>84071489
>exactly

>>84071269
I'm not being paid for writing doctor who RETARD

>>84071489
>what

>>84071134
>The fuck does The Tenth Planet have to do with the new Cybermen?
Huh?

Krang and Krail were 2 of the Mondasians we saw in Tenth Planet. I'm asking if it'd be cool to see one of them in the upcoming episode, who later goes off to the events of TTP.

Wonder how they're gonna handle the Mondasian cybermen - do they board/invade the spaceship like pirates, or is this meant to be their 'origin story', retconning Spare Parts, and have all the people on the ship be Mondasians?

>>84071906
I imagine they built the ship and experimented independently.

>>84071906
Mondas definitely appears in the episode and there's a guy saying 'we must evolve to survive' in the BBCA trailer so I imagine it's a new origin story. It's entirely possible that the spaceship in the episode is actually Mondas.

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>>84071979

Considering that Moffat has said that he loves Spare Parts, do you think he will retcon it?

>>84072028
No idea, we'll find out on Saturday.

>>84072028
because he thinks he is larger than life

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>>84072028
>Moffat wouldn't retcon would he?

>>84072119
Considering rtd tried and fucked up, i doubt it

>>84072028
Probably, but he'll call it his own spin/homage on Spare Parts.

>>84071489
>DOESNT happen I mean I'm sure they're going to subvert expectations

So is Missy gonna keep her word or she allying with her past self?

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Why is she so perfect, lads?

>>84069645
Pffffft hahahaha NO

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>>84072398
...

>>84072398
teeth

>>84071489
>this year has been better
[citation needed]

http://www.jamiemathieson.com/doctor-who/

>>84072398
welsh

Hey, guys, what are the most KINO episodes of the classic era?

>>84066970
>Yes children help me kill

>>84072552
Love & Monsters

>>84071527
Clara Who?

>>84072604
That's from the modern era, anon, and that episode sucked.

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>>84072474
The last scene of The Doctor Falls would literally need to be Moffat taking a shit on screen for it to be any worse after the abortion that was Hell Bent which ruined everything before it.

>>84072552
Revelation of the Daleks

>>84072552

The Tomb of the Cybermen
The Caves of Androzani
Ghost Light
The Curse of Fenric

>>84072643
>Moffat taking a shit on screen
>bad
The fuck are you talking about? It would be characterkino.

>>84072639
upvoted xD

>>84072677

shit tase

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>UMMM SILLY BOYS I ONLY EAT PUSSY
>MUH MELANIN PLS GIBE SPECIAL TREATMENT
>SO RACISSSS

>>84072643
Never post that image again, I've spent over a year trying to forget that shit.

>>84072713
Well, you can't spell.

what are the chances of Clara saving the day on the finalle?

>>84070460
You basically become a slave though.

NEW:

>>84072766
>>84072766
>>84072766

>>84072228
He didn't retcon it.

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>>84072643

>>84067831
seconded

>>84062273
Series 1 was alright.
series 2 was just series 1.2
series 3 was boring "grr, I hate men" shit

And I'm the last of the /who/lords