Rey is a Mary Sue

Please explain how she's a Mary Sue without using alt-right virgin speak.

>>83995903
Any criticism of a female character is misogyny.

>>83995903

i just watched this movie again yesterday and realized just how ridiculous it is.

leia spends 20 seconds hugging some stupid bitch she's never met before and completely ignores his best friend for the past 40 years chewie.

>>83995933
Sure. Here, you have Max Landis explaining it to you. I don't think he's alt-right.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpS6TlqgLIQ#t=48

what sexual favors do you think daisy gave to JJ abrams to be cast in that role despite being a complete unknown?

>>83995957
They 2 minutes later you realizes the new bitch is the captain of the Falcon, and Chewie is just the co-pilot. Leia sends this new cunt nobody knows to retrieve Luke Skywalker, , her own brother she hasn't seen for decades.

>>83995983
It's funny they said Daisy Ridley was cast on the spot while John Boyega had to audition back and forth for 8 months LOL

>>83995933

Mary Sue is a fucking character trope. Oh, I forgot, liberals operate off of feelings and you just felt like it had something to do with politics. Fuck off.

JJ Abrams is just a complete idiot and every single one of his works sucks. It is absolutely ridiculous that this guy keeps getting work when all of his stuff is so shit.

Felicity > Daisy

>>83995903
It's a criticism, not a controversy

>>83995933
The main complaints are that she's a new character who's more competent than the established ones ("bypassed the compressor!"), the established characters all love her, she's some kind of chosen one with latent super force abilities, beats the bad guy single handedly, and is an orphan who raised her herself due to being badass.

>>83995933
>Everyone she meets loves her within minutes of meeting her
>Can perform the skills of every of every other character as well if not better than them: better at fighting and shooting than Finn and Han, can fly as well or better than Han and Poe, better mechanic than Chewie and Han, better force and lightsaber user than Kylo Ren. This makes every character except for her virtually redundant
>Doesn't grow or improve her skills throughout the film, she's the same as she was at the beginning
>No explanation as to how she's as powerful and as skilled as she is. Yes Anakin was super powerful but they explained that by showing him to be the chosen one. There is nothing regarding Rey's background which establishes her skillset
>Knows how to pilot a ship but hasn't left the planet? Why the fuck not? Why does she just sit on her ass for 20 years waiting for something instead of getting out there and looking for it?

Everything about her is contrived and smacks of fanfiction tier bullshit

>>83996050
He's got the direction of the film because of Katheleen Kennedy, she said she didn't ask any other director but JJ Abrams for Star Wars, she knows him well, he's a pet director, she knew he was the only guy who would cater to her feminist fantasy. When he turned down the offer, she sent Spielberg to force his hand. Now SW is ruined

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>>83996058
delete

Daisy Ridley > Felicity Jones

>>83995903
>being autistic enough to think that 4chan complaining about a character is a "controversy" that would need to be "addressed"

jesus christ OP, go outside

>>83996099
not the other anon. And I don't disagree with your post but for clarification, rey stayed on the planet in the hope that her family would come back.

>>83995903
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jz3oSYB5XB4

LOL

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>alt-reddits masculinity so fragile they still throw a hiss 3 years later about a character in a kids movie with magic
What did they mean by this?

>>83996147
Yet JJ Abrams the missing hug between Chewie and Leia... And btw, this problem made far outside 4chan, you should go out sometimes. Shill

>Rey is overpowered!
I'm sure they'll nerf her in the next expansion.

>>83996103
But I mean he's been at this for literally decades. Alias was shit. Felicity was shit. And he KEEPS GETTING WORK. What the fuck is with this guy?

>call Rey a mary sue
>No one criticizes that in one day Kirk becomes a Captain of the Enterprise, the flag ship of the entire Federation in Nu-Trek despite holding no rank on the Enteprise and it's his first day out of the Academy.

>>83996197
Autism.

>>83996204
That will not make any sense, she would be regressing only to correct TFA nonsense
According to the french guy's leak, she gets beaten in a first confrontation with Ren, but beats him and cuts his limb off in the second fight

How is Luke Skywalker not a Marty Stue?

>>83996209
His dad was a producer and he knows Spielberg and Kathleen Kennedy since the age of 15. They gave him the opportunities nobody else would get. KK didn't contact any other director but JJ Abrams to make TFA

>>83996216
t. Doesn't know what a mary sue is

>>83996164
mouthbreathing whore

>>83996030
das wayciss

>>83996242
>cuts his limb
>implying Disney Wars lightsabers could cut something off

>>83996099
>>Knows how to pilot a ship but hasn't left the planet? Why the fuck not? Why does she just sit on her ass for 20 years waiting for something instead of getting out there and looking for it?

That's not a description of a Mary Sue it's just you complaining about random crap

>>83996405
the again we can complain about everything in this movie. There's stupid and plot holes in every fucking scene. It's like JJ and Kasdan were doing a contest of who gets the most stupid idea

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How she so cute?

>>83996733
barren

>>83996267
Bull
Bull
Bull
Bull
Shit
Shit
Shit
Shit

Over weeks they went through every established name in Hollywood who turned it down INCLUDING JJ only for him to be offered more money or whatever and eventually took it.

>>83995903
why do millennials like to point at things in pictures?

Doesn't make it a bad movie. Most main characters have plot armor anyway.

>>83995933
> muh alt-right boogeyman

Fuck off back to plebbit

>>83995903
She was proficient at everything and maxed out all force powers in one minute, but Luke was good at one thing so it's the same really

>>83995903
Damn, bitch look like she's about to eat that action figure.

>>83996405
>extremely good at everything she does, including things she has never done before
>quickly earns the respect and even admiration of everybody she interacts with
That's pretty damn close to Mary Sue.

There were so many bad things about TFA it's hard to be upset over just one thing.

>>83996030
How long did Oscar Isaac have to audition for Poe Dameron?

>>83997089
That's not what Kathleen kennedy said. But then again, she's a notorious liar

>>83996182
> how dare you criticize my feminist power-fantasy you sexist!

>>83996087
>"bypassed the compressor!"
I don't understand why this anally annihilates people. She has been living in a desert scavenging tech for years. It isn't far fetched to think she would know some tricks.

The real bullshit was her being able to outskill Kylo Ren in a lightsaber fight, Kylo being a trained Jedi and Rey never having used a lightsaber before.

>>83997641
> anally annihilates

That's hyperbole if I've ever seen it

>>83995903
>Why isn't a multi billion dollar internation company acknowledging the flaws?

Are you retarded? What do you expect now, Snyder to come out and say he uses too much direct biblical symbolism or Marvel to say "yeah, we pretty much make the same movie every single year"?

>>83997702
This is more for people who say she isn't a Mary Sue. If the director doesn't even want to talk about should make them wonder

Judge Holden was a Mary Sue as well. McHackney is a hack

>>83996164
>is the better actress

It's a hard competition between bad actresses

>>83995903
You think they care at all?

>>83995903
of course she is shes a Disney Princess ffs

>>83995903
Because the movie made $2 billion. Disney isn't concerned with a very vocal minority of autists raging about "MUHREY SUE"

>>83996041
And Star Wars has never used character tropes. Or any movie ever.

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>>83997903
>Felicity Jones
>bad actress
It's like you haven't even seen her movies.

>>83995933
lol written just like a woman

its a kids movie you know..

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Damn, Rey looks like that?!

>>83996216
Star Trek is for nerds, that's why I didn't care.

>>83996266
Watch ANH. Basically everything Rey did right, Luke did wrong.

>>83996216
Star Trek is for fags

>>83996164
She is the sexiest rabbit I have ever seen since the last time I watched zootopia

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Yes. So what. Strong characters are appealing even if they are unrealistically perfect.

>>83998910
I don't like Rey's Resistance outfit.
What's the point of wrapping up both arms all the way from the wrist to the shoulder?

>>83996266
Because he's a useless whiny shit for the entire 1st movie

>>83995903
Rey is a big bottomed slab of muscle with no tits now.

>>83998932
so it looks original and idiots will want to cosplay as her

>>83998932
They're even copying the outfits colour. White in TFA just like Luke in ANH, then he's wearing a grey gear in ESB, Rey is wearing a grey costume made of weird rags for no reason. In the next episode she'll be in black...How original

>>83996041
>Whining this much.

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>>83998910
Can only express how I feel but strong characters are only appealing if they're either the bad guy (like Vader) or worked at it to get to that level (like Luke) just being handed the keys to ultimate power is boring and robs the character of any real development they could have had. Rey will be training on that island but we all know it's going to be no problem for her because she's already done a Jedi Knight level mind trick and was able to handle a saber with no training. No tension, no development, no questions. Just boring filler between action scenes.

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>>83995903
>Why Disney never adressed the controversy?

Disney's too big and bloated to care, as you know perfectly well.

>>83999086
by all means, anon. if we're in confessional frames of mind I would like to state that I actually think Rey's a pretty snappy dresser, although not the best in the series as such

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>>83997881
>Judge Holden was a Mary Sue as well.

I don't think its possible to be more right about this.

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>>83995903
Can somebody 'shop a light sabre in here? I think we have a Kimmy match.

>>83998910
fuck you

All JJ's characters are Mary/Gary Stue. Didn't you watch his Star Trek?

>>83999644
>watch Star Trek
Cuck

>>83999644
He turned ST into The Eugenics Crew. Everyone has a talent from birth that makes them special and they don't have to put any effort to be the best and do things other people can't do.

>>83995903
>>83998793
*CHOMP*

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Come to think of it, she's this weird, over-eager white chick who "things just seem to work out for" and she has crazy misadventures with a gay black dude. It's the same show. The Unbreakable Kimmy Rey.

Because women view themselves as Mary Sues. Only men are are willing to take an honest look at themselves and their flaws.

>>83999723
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x35730q

>>83995933
Luke was Vader's kid and still got his ass beat.

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>>83999799
>Only men are are willing to take an honest look at themselves and their flaws.

Other men, maybe. Wherever the fucking hell they are it isn't /tv/.

>>83999869
>I remember watching this in middle school. Cant believe thats ellie kemper

>>83997641
not fun to watch

>>83995933
>"without virgin speak"
>says "alt-right"
Spotted the virgin.

>>83995957
>leia spends 20 seconds hugging some stupid bitch she's never met before
Or has she...?

>>83995957
What if Rey is Leia's daughter (but not Han's)? It's not difficult to imagine Leia banging someone other than Han when he left. That would make her Kylo's half-sister and a Skywalker.

>>83996182

>3 years

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CUTE

>>83996041
Triggered

>>83998622
Holy shit shut the fuck up faggot.

>>83999513

BBC more likely

>>83995903
Because it's too hard to refute so they just ignore it.

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>>83996164
Her character sucked. All the characters in that movie were poops.

>>84003030
This. It's obvious to everyone that Rey's a piss poor protagonist. She can do anything and is loved by everyone and only gets into problems so that she could save herself.

>>83998793
Reminds me of the pear

>>83997333
Luke is not a Gary Stu. Nigga spent almost the entire movie getting his ass handed to him. Saved by Obi-Wan, the droids, and Han Solo over the course of ANH's entire duration. He does one impressive feat that the whole movie built up towards and now butt blasted women, desperate to defend their terribly written character, are trying to use this against him.

>>83995903
anon your a sexist

>>83995903
God, I fucking hate her face

>>83996266
because Luke has to work hard to become powerful. Did you now watch ESB?

>>84003275
The only thing Luke did was use the force to tell him when to pull the trigger. He had nothing to do with those missiles after he pulled the trigger. They did the rest. His timing computer couldn't compensate for all the multitudes of data namely the speed, the anti aircraft batteries and so on so he used the force and pulled the trigger when told to do so. The very same way the force tells Anakin when to avoid danger and even with that ability Anakin had never finished a race before the events of PH.

>>83996266
see
>>84003275

And things only get worse for him in ESB. He again spends most of the movie getting rescued and failing Yoda's tests. Ultimately he loses his hand for his overconfidence and attempts to commit suicide.

Finally, in ROTJ, his two accomplishments are barely escaping Jabba's barge and defeating a conflicted old man (who arguably let him win).

Reminder that he depended on other people for all of these things and would have died without their help. Compare that to Rey.

>>84002548
Irrelevant. Movies should be self-contained. We shouldn't have to wait 2 years for gaps in characterisation and plot to be explained.

Rey represents feminists. She's entitled for all kind of privileges solely because of her vagina. She doesn't have to work or learn to get rewards. They are given to her for free although she's very unlikeable and acts like a twerp, everyone still loves her for no apparent reason

>>83996041
Fefes hurt?

>>84003801
>everyone still loves her for no apparent reason
>for no apparent reason

They want to fuck her.

>>84002580

thought: Rey is Luke's kid. Reason she is good at Force things and piloting, etc. Luke wipes her mind and hides her on Jakku when he senses Ben Solo turning to the Dark Side. R2D2 hides half a map for Lor San Tekka to find if/when the Resistance where to need Luke again.

>>84003941

*were to need; this also explains why Kylo is kind of aware of a "girl"

>>84003941
Luke is Anakin's son, he still had to train and work to get skills. Rey was dumped on Jakku as a toddler, at that age, I doubt she was an ace pilot and a master Jedi. But try again fool

>>84004035

okay, I'm no autist at remembering the finer details of TFA, but when/where are we led to believe that Rey actually was raised BY HERSELF on a desert planet?

What I'm getting at is maybe that whole abandoned as a child thing is a false memory.

>>84004111
Because it's a stupid flashback that lasted 2 seconds. You see her abandonned at the very young age at the hands of Unkar Plutt. How silly

they've never had to explain it because rey is a character with flaws

>>83996050
The first few seasons of Lost were stellar you can't deny that. IMO Lost is his legacy and the force awakens is his downfall

>>83996164
There is no question whos hotter. I think generally grown men will be more attracted to Felicity while the young teens on here are more attracted to Rey

>>84004172
Unkar Plutt takes her as a kiddo in the Force Vision. Now, let me fink for a second ...

Okay, so this scumbag gives her food for parts for like 15 years.

Maybe Luke doesn't leave her on Jakku, but maybe Kylo takes/saves her and abandons her somewhere with Plutt; Plutt just winds up on Jakku.

In the Force Vision, Kylo is seen killing another Knight of Ren as that Knight is about to attack Rey (adult). But maybe that is meant to imply she was a child then.

>>83996216
Da fuk, this shit is not about star trek get the fuck off

>>83996733
You have to understand some guys are really attracted to women with oily skin and manly features. Am I the only one that noticed how DISGUSTING her skins looks

>>84004540
Only reason I think Plutt winds up on Jakku is that if Kylo left her on Jakku, wouldn't his first guess, when he learns about a resistance sect led by Lor San Tekka, be to talk to Plutt about the location of the girl? Assuming Kylo knows she's Luke's daughter.

>>83995903
because this is their plan.
>womyn can do anything men can do but better!
>white men are evil!
>ayyy goyim how do you like star wars now?

>>83996733
I think it would be a fun smash.

>>83995971
>Have to listen to Max Landis
Not worth it

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>>83996216

>>83998675
This

>>84004678
Why do we hate him again?

>>83997641
You forgot learning mind control witgout any training

Flying the falcon like a pro

Knowing wookie perfectly and understanding bb8

>>83999049
it makes me want to throw up.

It's never really explained who started the clones and if Obi wan didn't decide to go look for Jango , who was supposed to retrieve the clones? That story was full of holes

>>84004678
he explained the mary sue point quite well

>>83995933
Trump won, fagt

I don't care about the was she wasn't she a mary sue argument. I just did not care one bit about Rey's character and if she died instead of Han I probably wouldn't have cared a single bit. It's not just Rey tho, the entire movie is just kinda meh and barely gets you excited for stuff. The one scene I remember is Poe being a master pilot shooting up a bunch of TIE fighters in quick succession

>>83995903
being force sensitive IS being a mary sue. why is she good at everything you ask? FUCKING SPACE MAGIC THAT'S HOW

>>84005334
kys

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>>83996733
Tori Black biopic when???

>>83996266

Luke starts out as a whiny, sheltered farmboy and he gradually learns to become warrior and a leader. He saves the day at the end of the movie due to his piloting skills, but the story establishes that he already has years of flying experience due to there not being much else to do on his homeworld. In his first encounter with Vader, he runs the fuck away and leaves his mentor to be killed while he and his friends escape. In pretty much every encounter with Vader (that doesn't involve being in a space ship) until their last fight in the third movie, Luke gets his ass kicked. Even after training with Yoda, Luke is still barely able to hold his own with Vader and has to be saved from the Emperor by Vader.

>>84003941
Wrong. Ben Solo didn't turn to the dark side until he was 23, 6 years before TFA and many years after Rey was already on Jakku. Luke had no reason to do that to her and nothing had gone wrong yet.

Rey Skywalker is a shit theory.

>>84004608
It's been said that Rey and Kylo have never met. I think JJ himself has said this.

Kylo has nothing to do with Rey being on Jakku.

>>83995903
>controversy
It's just a writing trope. It's no better or worse than a dozen other tropes in the film, but even knowing that, why the FUCK would a company respond to people disliking a trope? If you don't like tropes, stop watching sci fi flicks

>>84006162
It's not a "trope", it's teenage girl fanfiction level. It's completely unusual for a big budget movie, let alone for a sequel of such a unique franchise

>>84006722
Teenage boy fanfiction is a norm for big budget movies. Usually the story in blockbusters is lacking. I'm not seeing a difference here except that female fantasies make people angry.

>>84006722
Fuck this has to be bait. You actually think that mary sue characters are unusual in blockbusters? Fuck man, I haven't seen a single blockbuster in years that wasn't "teenage girl fanfiction" level of trope usage.

>>83999452
I keep wanting to rewatch akira and then i remember their stupid emoji faces

>>83996266
Cause Han didn't offer him a job after knowing him for 15 minutes.

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>>83996216
Cause not everybody was sucking Kirk's cock from the moment they met him.

But, yeah, JJ Abrams makes his main characters op and doesn't have them work for it. He's also a hack.

>>84004839
>It's never really explained who started the clones
The movie said Sifo Dyas

>>84006800
You don't know what's a Mary Sue you stupid cunt. It's an extremely rare occurence. Doind heroic stuff is one thing, but systematically being better, stronger and smarter than everyone else at everything. This stuff only exist in teenage girl fanfiction and Bollywood movies, sorry but that doesn't happen in your average Hollywood blockbuster

>>84007291
It doesn't happen in your "average" blockbuster, but it isn't rare.

Anyway, there are WAY worse tropes that DO happen in your average blockbuster. You're just attuned to the one kind of trope and you're super upset about it for some reason.

>>84007413
Star Wars was never a stupid blockbuster like Transformers, Jurrassic Park or any other capeshit. It's an artist vision. TFA has a lot of problems, the Mary Sue being one of the biggest along with the fact it's a rehash. Of course, we're gonna address this problem. Who cares about Chewie not hugging Leia when you know all the problems of that movie. It's like ignoring the elephant in the room

>HURR SO WAS LUKE

Luke was a brash, stubborn kid who got his hand chopped off.

>>83996733
YOWZA!!

>>84007133
Yes but he died it seems more like Sidious was behind it

>>84007684
It arguably started the whole trend of blockbusters. It was one of the original blockbusters and it wasn't an artist's vision at all. It was a thin, derivative story with just alright characters and mediocre acting powered by effects that were impressive at the time. Sounds familiar.

>>83995933
She's an SJW shill kike numale cuck.

>>84004678
He's not overly Max Landis in this. Tolerable.

>>83996087
>beats the bad guy single handedly
Every one of you faggots always say this shit and it is completely wrong.

I really liked the movie, what you gonna do about it /tv/

>>84005543
This.

Rey's a horribly broken Mary Sue. Her bullshit Force Powers aside, she's immediately loved and trusted by everyone. Mission to Luke is vital for the survival of the Resistance, so let's send this no named street Rat from nowhere we just met five minutes ago.
Poe destroys the Dumber Death Star, everyone congratulates Rey.

>>84010080
And yet Kylo jobbed Finn easily enough. A trained from birth actual soldier unlike maRey Sue. And least we forget Ren, when jobbing Finn, was playing with him like a cat would a mouse until Finn injured him and Kylo in a moment floored him. Even further, you meme posting moronic cow, Rey's immediately loved by all. Immediately trusted by all, literally doesn't have to try at all to do anything. Can speak droid, Wookie, can fix anything and fly anything even Custom made Freighters, namely the Falcon which had dozens of gadgets and doodads and odds and ends and levers and all manner of gooblydygook as a flight control. Both Luke and Leia were alarmed by the many controls. Rey on her first try is out flying from brith trained dog fighting Empire pilots in the inside of a dynamic ever changing obstacle course and emerges no worse for wear. Say it with me, cow, Rey's a mary sue.

>>83995933
They can't. Faggots who use the term mary sue never even heard it until that faggot max said so. Half the people loved the movie until a bunch of people on the internet told them they shouldn't. People who dislike the movie are unable to think for themselves.

>>84010080
This. Hey fuck tard how bout the fact that Rey can suddenly use the force like doing a mind trick on a strom trooper never having been taught how? dumb ass

>>84003900
Who wouldn't want to fuck daisy ridley, faggot

>>84008712
Your shitty chart doesn't even mention Luke's "one in a million shot" (this held even more weight before the garbage ROgue One film)

Luke was a mary sue too

ITT: a bunch of EU faggot nerds cry because star wars 7 didn't happen the way they dreamed about it in their fan fiction and vidya games

Normal adults, children, and families enjoyed the movie. Get over it faggots. Get a real job. Get a real girlfirend. Get a fucking life.

>>84012345
>projecting this much because some people don't like the movie
Are you trying to say something about yourself, my man?

>>84012404
Nope, I enjoyed the movie like the majority of audiences. Don't give a shit. Can't wait for star wars 8. I'm glad the films are similar to the OT. The OT was actually good.

>>84012345
you seem upset.

>>84012133
Which is okay though. It's okay to like something because you're caught in the hype and then after chewing on it you realize it's kinda shitty and by your third watch you realize it's just raw sugar and not much else and then you hate it.


>>84012243

>one in a million shot

NO, you moron. Any Force user could have made that shot with a bit of trying. Any. Even Anakin, even a youngling. Luke simply used the Force to tell him when to pull the trigger. You're comparing Prescience to the asspull that is maRey sue. And it's not out of the blue either. Obi Wan had Luke using Prescience by telling him to trust his feelings. And if you'd remember, he failed the first time, then trusted his feelings which was attached to the force and it helped him block three droid shots. That simple thing is all Luke Did. Remember, they had a targetting computer that couldn't get the timing right. The Force simply was a better timer than their targeting computer. Once fired, the homing missiles did the rest. So get your head out of maRey Sue's ass, k?

>>84012586
You make no sense, nerd. You just said any force user can make a one in a million shot. Then you say that Rey can't beat a wounded partially trained kylo. Go back to your knights of nerd faggots video games or something. The force is not this power level shit. Rey used the force and won. If you have a problem with it, star wars isn't for you faggot. Go back to your RPG shit.

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>>84012345

People like you take themselves wayyyy too seriously. I mean, this is 4chan. If you're getting that angry about 'manchildren' on a saturday afternoon perhaps it is you who has some growing up to do.

And y'know, I'm actually wondering if you're that guy from the Jordan Peterson thread last night who repeatedly had to mention the fact that he was a family man and that everyone else is a loser unlike him. Where do you people even come from? You're just all kinds of sour, salty, and bitter. Must not have as good a life as you try to make it out to be :\

>>84012649
It's not a one in a million shot if you're force sensitive, you maRey Sue poop eater. The Force is a piano, but to play that piano requires you to try the keys and with a bit of trying you could make a simple tune that's all of three or four keys. But to play those four simple keys require you to have a piano. As using Prescience requires the force without it, and if you made the same shot, that is timing when to pull the trigger, that would be a one in a million shot. For a normie. Not for a force sensitive person.

Rey without any training is playing fur elise or midnight sonata. You maRey sue poop eaters are a funny bunch. You're so desperate you're comparing this bullshit character to actual characters like Leia or Luke or Anakin. The Force isn't magical in that you don't believe in yourself and suddenly you're a force user. It required you to first, be able to sense some of it and then be able to manipulate that bit what you're able to sense. Which is why Yoda had Luke jumping and flipping. When you're proficient enough to channel the force through yourself you're able to do more and more and more. Rey's the first and only character in that universe who hears about the force and within hours is using grand master level abilities. Remember the green and blue sabers? The blue is so easy enough to make because you don't have to be as tuned with the force to be able to make a blue saber. A green saber requires a greater sense of the force.

>>84012649
Your only defense is, the force isn't power levels when it is. Playing a guitar is power levels, you as a novice learns the scale chords and in time you learn the power chords and so on, you don't on your first try, belt out Respect for the Wind! But that's the bullshit you maRey Sue defenders are defending.
Rey should have only ever used Prescience. The moment she used more than prescience is the moment she became a mary sue. Let's look further than the force at how she's immediately loved and adored by all including when she's comforted by Leia. Leia just met this person but she's hugging her instead of Chewie? Rey's a horribly broken mary sue.

>>84012928
yes, the most Anakin could do is podrace really good and he was the chosen one. Either A. she somehow got force training when she was a toddler (ridiculous) or B. shes more "the one" than Anakin (shes a Mary Sue)

>>84012133
nah it was tv tropes

>>84013131
Anakin had never finished a race in all that time. So to get good he had to try again and again and again. At the end the pod controls literally mirrored the fighter he was in. He's taken to the battle via remote and once there, R2 takes him off of remote by wire control and Anakin avoids danger. That's it. Rey was a toddler, maybe a Younglings. There's nothing they taught her she would have remembered or even mattered by this point. She never practiced in all time and she didn't even believe in the force. From the get go she's using the force as if she's been using for the last twelve years. She's flying the falcon, a custom made freighter and one with dozens of control buttons and levers you'd had to have flown for a long time to get good at. In all of two minutes she's using the falcon expertly out dog fighting from birth trained pilots in the inside of a massive star destroyer all the while out flying the dog fighting trained empire pilots and avoiding spinning blades and other obstacles that should have smashed them. The Force Awakens is a terrible movie.

Finn and Poe falls in a Tie fighter from hundreds of miles away---they're literally tumbling from the sky, crash lands and no one dies? Poe disappears. Literally disappears. Like he was there, then he wasn't for 40 minutes. Finn is able to see the dumber death star destroy a solar system from light years away! He looks up, Death star is firing, And they're light years apart. Didn't anyone explain to JJ how cohesive Progression logic works? It's like that time JJ had the Enterprise's Engine room bigger than the entire enterprise, probably because in his mind it would have been cool. And then the only noticeable 'practical' shot is this gay ass muppet plastic bird. It looked so cheap and plastic.

I liked everything about The Force Awakens. I just don't understand the complaints. I think it's just people who refuse to like anything popular.

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>>83995903
Is it even a controversy? She's a pretty textbook Mary Sue. Why would anybody deny it short of just being contrary for its own sake?

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>2 years later and autistic contrarians are still butt blasted by a kids movie featuring space magic

Can't wait to see all the mental gymnastics you fags are gonna pull once TLJ comes out

>>84013564
Yes, let's ignore every legitimate complaint and just post out of your ass.


>>84013599
It was the most anticipated film of all time. Of course it was going to make bank. Transformers makes over a billion every time one comes out.

>>84013599
I hope somebody commits suicide over the movie. Either way, it will make bank.

>>84013891
Not as much. I can guarantee you that. It'll make a billion and change, easily.

I'm pretty hyped for TLJ. It's not like there is anything else good coming out to watch. I would be real interested to see what kind of movies the critics consider good.

>>84013844
TFA was universally praised when it came out. Almost all of the complaints are just retards getting ass blasted and nit picking the film to death

Name one "compliant" from TFA that is not present in any other Star Wars movie

>>84014129
Where did you get your degree?

>>84014129
TFA was universally praised by easily compromised and Shillers. No one, and I mean no one with any substance liked TFA. A boring bland soft redo of a New hope. A shittier version in fact.
And I can in fact name several complaints but you're a shill taking the shortest route for a (you). If you're going to troll, shill, you're going to need more oomphf.

>>83996216
i did

>Watching didney wahs


Sort yourself out

>>84014780
That's sick

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>>84015185

>>83996216
Because Kirk was a great character, they just wanted to get straight to the action/ no bull

>>83996216
I complained about that. I thought it was fucking retarded that he's fresh out of the academy and bypassed the compressor and the ranks of Ensign, Lt. Junior, Lt., Lt. Commander and Commander.

They're obviously setting her up to go to the dark side, which is why they are tight lipped about her pure mary sue-ness so far. Her and Kylo are probably going to trade places

>>84015985
No they aren't. I have no doubt that she'll be tempted but she'll never go all the way. Kylo is no doubt getting redeemed, though. Anyone who thinks the last Solo and Skywalker of breeding age is going to die after Han is gone and especially after Carrie's death is a retard.

I predict that TLJ will end with Rey going off with Kylo or Snoke somehow. If with Snoke, probably due to something related to her parents.

>>84014696
"no one with any substance liked the TFA." Okay define substance. Are you too enlightened and pretentious to enjoy a block bluster flick? Please elaborate on the movies you see in recent years that have substance.

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>>83995903
Finally drunk enough to be curious
>Search "starwars daisy"
>Name is "Daisy Ridley"
>wiki page
>She's actually a few months YOUNGER than me
[picture related]
Not gunna lie though, I still wanna see what she looks like with a THICC cock in her mouth, maybe mine

Random blog-esque bonus info.
Buying my guiness/scrumpy jack earlier and the bitch at the counter double-took my face then asked my age.
Like I don't look 18-21+ when I haven't shaved for like 2 weeks...
C'mon bruh, my beard isn't THAT bad.
She prob would've ID'ed me w/o facial hair.
Kinda fucked up because I'm 6'0 athletic.
But it gives me hope at becoming a craddle-snatcher when I renounce my wizardary apprenticeship

>>84015600
>>84015690
Imagine a BJ from that...
>Teeth ever-so-lightly skimming the surface
>Adrenaline pumping at the thought of playing with fire
>Your dick penetrating the mouth of hungry-hippo-ass crocodile

daisy a cute.
a cute!

>>84012167
It's a mystery of the movie the viewer is supposed to be surprised by. The implication is she -has- been taught some things in the force but has forgotten them.

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>>84014780
>those chompers

has anybody had this actress tested to make sure she wasn't a donkey?
or that one of her grandparents wasn't a donkey?

daisy is just the cutest little thing and i want to lick her pussy

>>84014129
the Phantom Menace was also universally praised at first

>>84001923
I thought she was supposed to be p-pure

ebert and siskel would have liked TFA.

>>84016183
This isn't implied at all. She was dropped on Jakku as a very small child. In fact, what's been implied by Lucasfilm employees is that she learned she could do the mindtrick from Kylo's mind when she reversed his mental intrusion.

>>84016364
Robert would've made it his movie of the year.
Gene would have given it a thumbs down because it's not "groovy" enough.

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>>84016231
>>84016132

>>84016371
All of what you say is nothing but speculation, and there are many people who have debated my point and yours back and for the last year and half. Clearly there is another shoe to drop about Rey. If she did learn to do it from Kyla how could she do it so quickly? The implication there is she is on a whole new level of force sensitivity and power we haven't seen anymore. It's a plot point. I don't think this qualifies her for Mary Sue status since it is, again, one of the mysteries of the movie.

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>>84016132
>Imagine a BJ from that...
>>Teeth ever-so-lightly skimming the surface
>>84016557

>>84016600
>Kyla
I am amused by my own typo.

>>84016600
It's not speculation. Pablo Hidalgo, a Lucasfilm employee, said that Rey learned things from Kylo's mind. What you're saying is the only thing that's speculation, and not very good speculation at that. She didn't get a ton of training before she was fucking five years old, man. She may be a chosen one but there's no mindwiped training going on.

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>>84016612
>there's room in there for your balls too, anon

People that watch Star Wars should be gassed with zyklon B

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>I'm your mummy now

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>>83995903
>TFA, some space capeshit for kids, makes over 2 billion worldwide, receives rave reviews from fans and critics
>"Why doesn't the studio address adress 4chan criticism?"
The character is a Mary Sue but only someone with weapons grade autism would think that anyone at the studio gives a shit. I'm sure The Last Jedi will make billions as well. Such is life. These films don't need to be perfect.

>>84016670
>Pablo Hidalgo, a Lucasfilm employee, said that Rey learned things from Kylo's mind

who?

>She didn't get a ton of training before she was fucking five years old, man.
Rey's whole back story is questionable.

>>84016797
that would include you because only an ass hurt star wars fan would say that

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>>84016769

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>>83995903

Every main female protagonist for the female pre-teen/teen aimed movies are Mary Sues.

This is how pre-teen/teen girls see themselves and how you can connect with them.

Why are you taking a movie literally made for children seriously?

You weren't even supposed to watch this, it's like going to watch Moana and complaining.

We really need to stop this nu-male generation where people go see children movies as if it was normal.

>>84017052
>Who
So you admit you don't know shit and haven't kept up with anything about the canon. Get out.

bumpo

>>83995933
She's a good female character because her character isn't about being female, but overall she's shit because of how she's good at fucking everything. The gender of Rey is irrelevant to how poorly written she is.

>>83995903
>Why Disney never adressed the controversy?
because people paid to see the movie, so it wasn't a controversy as far as they're concerned. don't be dense.

>>84017196
>Why are you taking a movie literally made for children seriously?
Because it's being lauded as one of the best movies ever made. When it was pretty bad.

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>There will never be really good female characters in this Disney canon

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>>83995933

>>84012345
Anyone who thinks Kylo Ren and Rey are better than Jacen and Jaina needs to fucking kill himself.

>>83996041

The salt is real.

>>84019146
>he actually thinks le fanfic EU characters are good

Jacen is just an unironic generic edgy nu-sith, Kylo is actually interesting in that he's crippled by the expectation to live up to Vader

I don't even know how anyone can have a consistent opinion of those characters when they would vary so wildly from book to book, in one story she's the badass warrior woman who fought the vong, in the Traviss series she's a pampered bitch who cries because Boba Fett is mean to her

>>84017196
Even Moana is more of a flawed and whole character than Rey is and that's one of Disney's more shallow stories.

Rey is a franchise ruining Mary Sue. No debates. She's ridiculously over powered, loved by all, and takes a giant fucking dump on the history of Star Wars as we know it.

>>84014696
> the "i cant refute this so i just call him a shill, that'll show him!"

Right on schedule

>>83995903
brap

>>84019542
Moana wasn't a Mary Sue either

>>83998932
>Why does an alien civilization in a distant galaxy have different fashion than me??

>>83995903
that open mouth tho...

>>83995903
very fuckable.

eyes. eyebrows. forehead. hair. haircut. cheeks. dimples. tongue. teeth. chin. sinuses. general facial structure. pits. arms. hands. fingers. neck. collarbone. shoulders. breasts. chest. belly. ass. legs. hips. bellybutton. feet. pussy. asshole.

>>83995903
Because it's a fucking retarded meme-tier complaint, and I think TFA is garbage
>>83995933
Kill yourself faggot

>>84019053
i stopped reading when it said Luke barely knew about hyper drives. Luke and Biggs were pilots hoping to join the Academy. They're crop dusters for crying out loud. They raced grand canyons chasing tiger gorilla like creatures and blasting them with their lasers. Watch ANH again and see the back and forward between the two. They're not at all new to flying.

>>84021213
Don't reply to me 14 hours later with a shitty post ever again.

>>83995933

congrats you triggered a lot of 14 year old /pol/tards but then again they get triggered like 500 times a day

>>83996216
FUCK YOU! THAT WAS HORRIBLE!

KIRK BEING MADE CAPTAIN LIKE THAT WAS RETARDED! WORSE THAN REY!

ABRAMS IS SHIT! SHIT! SHIIIIIIIIIIT!!!!!

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>>84004605

Lets see your skin permavirg

>>84007684
>Star Wars was never a stupid blockbuster like Transformers, Jurrassic Park or any other capeshit. It's an artist vision
It's just a stupid blockbuster now, sorry bro. The first Jurassic Park wasn't just a stupid blockbuster either. I mean, it was but it wasn't. It was actually good, it actually had some vision.

But now, I don't know why you would ever expect anything but pure trash from any major hollywood flick. Pure trash is the standard, especially now that the capeshit mega franchises have become so successful. Expect every single new movie, no matter how great the origins of the original material were, to be be absolute shit and held to the same standards as capeshit.

>>84022361
faggot wanna see another mans skin wtf.

>>84021770
Exactly! That's some disgusting shit. I can GURANTEE if this wasn't made by Disney they would have picked a chick with an ass

>>83996041
not sure who are more triggered these days the libcucks or the altcucks

>>84017196
Okay so its obviously a reboot of star wars aimed at the next generation of kids to keep it going. But sheez why couldn't someone in the production say hey hold on lets pay some homage to the real fans and totatly fucking ruin this movie series

MaRey Sue.

>>83995933
You sound like either a nigger or a faggot, or both

>>84016279
This

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>>84021770
>creamy thicc thighs
imagine her strangling you and her pussy sweat drips down her legs and into you mouth as she struggles to make you black out

What happened to your queer party friends?

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>>83997448

>>84015912
This is exactly what will happen. You are a genius among idiots.