Why is a spin-off so much better than the main series?

>>83982067

Fredikins.

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>>83982103
You know it

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>>83982067

It also has great characters that are enjoyable to watch

>>83982687
>dat knife pop
kek'd

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>>83982687
Has there ever been a more perfect woman?

>>83982067
Can we also talk about W&H? They were awesome villains, even for a franchise that has shown you everything.

>>83982853
ofc not
Post more Amys

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>>83982934
Definitely better a better villain than Jasmine.

Though I did like Holtz, he was almost sympathetic

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>>83982934
w&h was an incredible antagonist. it was the perfect villain for a series like angel.

joss whedon said that where buffy was about high school hijinks, angel was about growing up and moving into a city, and encountering new things. you rebel against the machine and then become the machine, which happened when angel finally joined the firm.

w&h is perfect for that type of story. a shadowy organization that is never quite seen. that's what made it great, you never see the senior partners in their true forms. they are always mysterious.

also the chick who played the italian rep for w&h was fucking perfection.

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>>83983123
I just loved the lovecraftian feel that the senior partners gave towards the end... here they are these entities living on a hellish dimension that cannot be just punched like all the rest, older than anything known and shrouded in mystery... never seen anything like it again on present day kino

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>>83983252
Older than almost anything known, you mean

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>>83983380
Point is all being beyond human understanding... stuff that could drive people insane.

ywn have blue waifu

>>83982067
Josh Whedon levelled up

>>83983252
>>83983380
i'd say illyria is more of a lovecraftian thing. she even implies that w&h used to be small time demons and they leveled up over time.

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>>83983480
But anon, I DO have a blue waifu. Her name is Illyria and she's very cute

>>83983480
>yfw you realize Knox was /ourguy/

This is a series about adult characters thrust in impossible situations that have to make choices at the sacrifice of their morality. It's message is profound. Also the finale is the greatest series finale I have ever seen in my entire life.

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>>83983574
Illyria's true form is lovecraftian as shit
in the comics she goes full demon

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>>83983766
Illyria's true form is considerably less cute than a blue Amy.

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>>83983696
Have you ever watched Person of Interest? That has probably the best series finale I've ever seen, blows Angels out of the water.

I mention it because just like Angel, Amy Acker becomes a series regular at the end of the second season, and plays a great character.

>>83983911
not him, but thats good to hear because I'm just done POI season 4 and a bit anxious about starting 5 because I don't want it to end ;_;

is this series actually good or is it some garbage for chicks

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>>83983970
The 5th season has some problems, mostly having to do with it being shortened to 13 episodes so it feels kinda rushed at times, but it's still a good season, and the ending is fantastic. I already loved the show, but knowing it had a satisfying ending solidified it as my favorite tv show.

>>83984025
Angel has it's ups and downs but it's still pretty good, most of the time. Buffy is far more of a chick show than Angel was.

>>83984025
Buffy is garbage for chicks, Angel is pretty good

>>83984025

it's definitely not buffy, you should check it out.

>>83983813

does illyria keep a humanoid shape after she is split from fred?

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>>83985087
Aw hell, I have no idea. I didn't read the comics

>>83985087
A lot happens in the comics, some deaths, some resurrections, some true form appearances, eventually, Illyria and Fred end up cohabiting the same body.

>>83982067
Because Greenwalt

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>>83983813
>y-you don't think my true form is qt anon? t-thats who I am too you know?

>>83985799

but wes stays dead right?

>>83984025
Buffy and Angel are cringe tier shit.

>>83986043
Your cringe-teir shit

>>83986013
Comes a a ghost during After the Fall, but after that, he's been dead for quite a while

>>83982103
>>83982433
Coal burning whore

>>83986120
>implying you wouldn't wish to be that coal
Still Wes wins in the end

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>>83985946
Illyria is only cute because she's played by Amy. With any other actress that character would have been a mess

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>>83986167
how can any woman possibly resist punished wesley?

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>>83986170
>ywn see Amy as her again.
Why exist?

Any chance Amy works in some future kino these days?

>>83986103

Wes is truly punished, in this life and the next.

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>>83986362
Well she stars in an X-Men show that comes out later this year.

So, no.

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Angel is my second favorite show.

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>>83986583
Well... at least is something...

Dark Angel > Angel

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>>83986818
Don't get me wrong, I'll watch it and probably enjoy the hell out of it, just because of Amy, but I'm not expecting it to actually be any good.

But whether it's good or not, I hope it's successful. Amy deserves it.

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>>83982067
You tell me.

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>>83986935
Of course she does

>>83987147
>someone knows what her pussy tastes like
>it isn't me
( ._.)

Nah man, Buffy is better. Although Angel definitely had its moments. Do you seriously think that episodes like Becoming, Band Candy, Earshot, Hush, The Body, OMWF are worse than AYNOHYEB, Birthday, Shells, or A Hole in the World?

Don't get me wrong, I love Angel season 5, but Buffy's ceiling is way way higher.

>>83987183

Go away buffy fag, go hide in your dead threads, unsupported by angelfags.

>>83983123
It's too bad WB axed the show for no real reason, there was a really a ton of stuff they had yet to do with that new storyline. Having to condense it all into one 43 minute episode was so disappointing.

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>>83986893
I'm confused by this. Dark Angel was a show starring Jessica Alba, but it could also refer to Angelus, who was arguably a much better character in the show in some aspects desu

>>83982067
The theme song

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>>83987174
>or me

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>>83984124
>it being shortened to 13 episodes

what timeline you in senpai?

>>83986630
really makes you ponder

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>>83987147
Too bad no matter how cute she's surely going to be on her new show, it's not going to compare to her role as Root. Root was the best girl on tv since Fred

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>>83982067
..

>>83987261
Referring to Person of Interest, not Angel.

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>>83987332
;_;

Anyway
>>83987174
Must be sweet nectar of the gods, ecstasy like no other, pure bliss and ambrosia.

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Prime Buffy vs prime Fred who wins?
Easy mode: current SMG vs current Amy

>>83987332
>>83987364
>>83987493
Stop it. Muh feels

>>83987515

Considering she married a guy with a diaper fetish, I'd say Fred.

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>>83987515
Prime Fred beats prime Buffy.

Current Amy blows current SMG out of the water, it's not even fair to compare the two.

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>>83987544
Whenever people bring up Andy in interviews, Amy gets choked up and looks very sad. It breaks my heart

>>83987591
Was gonna post that.
Pls no bully
I remember Buffy fondly and she was qt too
Still Amy has god tier genetics and remains perfect in 2017. Can't win against that

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>>83986170
Illyria was actually an interesting character, but being portrayed by a cute girl in a tight bodysuit on a show where people speak entirely in quips sort of undermined the serious shit she was going through. I guess that was the point. She is a completely deadpan character who has the angst and despair of an ancient evil demigod that's lost its purpose, but she's trapped in an adorable nonthreatening body and forced to be around people who quip all the time and don't take her seriously.

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>>83987692

NO ONE BETTER MENTION FRASER CHEERS IS WAY BETTER.

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>>83987845
>smg and hannigan age the worst
>jewish
hmm...

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>>83987692
I'm sorry I wasn't trying to be mean, prime Buffy probably wins on sexiness, but prime Fred is much cuter, and much prettier.

Current SMG really has aged like milk though, and she's a year younger than Amy. That part of the contest wasn't fair at all.

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>>83987909

It is strange anon

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>>83987825
It was the first time we've seen a character like her on a show or movie. They did nerf her a lot with that ray thing, but she still was unlike anything seen before or after. Plus she had the thing on deep questioning and existentialism that made her all the more interesting. For all the hate Whedon gets nowadays, she's one of the best characters ever invented... and she was only there for about 6 episodes

>>83988065

He deserves the hate.

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>>83988044
>prime eliza and amy will never be your gfs at the same time

>>83988093
What went wrong with him?

>>83987825
I didn't mean the character only worked because Amy is adorable. I meant the character only worked because Amy nailed it. She went from playing the cute, sweet, lovable Fred to the regal, stoic, powerful Illyria without missing a beat.

Illyria is what sold me on Amy Acker as an actress. Fred was a great character, but Amy was basically just playing herself, there was a ton of her in that character, but Illyria was completely different, and very believable.

>>83988065
Whedon(or one of his writers) created a unique character, but he did it at the tail end of the last season and didn't give her much screentime. I'm convinced she was just a fluke or the creation of someone else on his staff, since he didn't put her to good use or create a character of similar quality in future projects.

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>>83988125
why live?

fuck yeah Illyria
"Shells" is one of the best eps ever.
Dat series finale--what other shows have such a great finale?

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>>83988125
I know bro. I know.
>>83988171

Instead of just making entertainment he decided he needed to do something important or bring about change or something. He was given an un-earned legend and you can see it whenever he is at a panel and women talk about him and feminism and empowering nonsense. He bought into his own pr. It is completely deluded to jam your sexual fantasies into a story and then be rewarded for it and then take it a step further.

If he just focused on making shit, he would be in much better shape than he is now. Feminists attack him now so he turned to an easy scapegoat, politics.

His image of himself, what he is trying to repair is like quroboros. It's the snake that eats itself. He loved the un-earned validation for things outside of art and he started chasing them with what he said outside of the entertainment world and he isn't the only person that does this, he isn't alone. Just look at what happened to banks chick that called out Spielberg.

He was relatively undented for a long time because he focused on his universe/passion projects and kept everything else to himself. All of his problems started when he opened his mouth about other stuff.

I mean only reason feminists attacked him for AOU is because of shit he said before hand, and more I think about it, doubling down on it and doing batgirl movie is going to go badly somewhere.

For every good idea he has, he puts his foot in his own mouth somewhere else.

So I guess we'll wait and see where whedon's next blunder will be.

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>>83988418
It doesn't matter how many times feminists attack him for perceived slights, he still has a massive fanbase of women who are convinced that everything he touches is solid gold. It's honestly a little unsettling to see, how on some parts of the internet he's revered like he's gods gift to storytelling. It is almost completely unearned.

>>83988433
Saw a webm where Amy gets shot at the end of that.
I don't know if I can take that pain again and stay for the end of the show desu

>>83988303

Buffyfags still defend joss ardently, I see it every now and then but I think his involvement in things is a little over prescribed, especially considering the people that tended to make the things we love about the show and fact Angel even existed after season 2 of buffy was because of other people, and I'll stand by it.

Greenwalt, Minear, McKnight, Mathers, so many people that worked on other great shows, Bell. Too numerous to name them all. Angel had an allstar lineup behind the scenes.

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>>83988505
Well, if you don't mind the spoiler, much like Angel, the character dies but Amy remains on the show

I always remember and love that scene where wes joins angel and cordy and at the end of the episode they sit down to eat some eggs like a late breakfast/dinner thing.

just gives me those kind of summer vibes. friends after all that shit from sunnydale, together again now in another city. etc. dunno just works for me.

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>ywn be a muppet

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>>83988693

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>>83988881
>ywn hug amy

>>83988693

funny you mention eggs, makes me think of that Cowboy Bebop episode

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>tfw
>Why can't I stay...?

>>83988418
>Instead of just making entertainment he decided he needed to do something important or bring about change or something. He was given an un-earned legend and you can see it whenever he is at a panel and women talk about him and feminism and empowering nonsense. He bought into his own pr

Sounds exactly what happened to Gene Roddenberry and season 1 of TNG.

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Is this the most heartwrenching scene in the history of television?

>>83989960
I think so, not just for faux-Fred, but because Wes's arc was the best character arc of all time.

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>>83988306
needs more webm

>>83990703

was this from dollhouse?

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>>83990792
yep forgot which ep tho

>>83990910

if you could just cut the felicia day out of that series, it would be so much better

>>83983574
>>83983580
>Demon from before time
>named after Classical Croatia
Leling every Lel

>>83991015

>he thinks the croats are creative enough to name itself something like illyria

Human propaganda. They stole the demon's name, anon.

Is Angel supposed to have sexual tension with Kate? Just finished season 1 and it seems that's what they're trying to imply but I can't actually see it

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>>83990910
this is somehow the hottest thing i've ever seen. weird torture shit aside, amy acker wearing leather and acting all sexy is too much for me to handle

>>83989763
Also George Romero and every movie after Night of the Living Dead.

>>83990947
this is true of every series that rancid ferret shows up in

>>83991120

I think they were originally intending to go that way but I think they changed their minds.

>>83991711
she left for law & order

>>83988504
I mentioned I was watching Buffy for the first time to an old HS crush and she came to visit the day after. We hadn't spoken outside of Facebook for months. She won't hear a bad word against him, and spouts trivia about the show and cast that I can't find online with a quick google. I've seen her defending him online over some post he made that apparently tried to make someone look sexist, but just came off as sexist itself, amongst other things. Part of her defence was along the lines of "this is Joss Whedon we're talking about!" It's weird.

>>83992027
thats because girls and plebs think buffy and by extension angel and firefly are all weadon, which is just bullshit,

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>>83982067

i like angel better than buffy because angel and wesley since i'm gay guy but other than that i consider them to be equal and also enjoy watching buffy especially the eps with young and handsome guys.

Because Spike and Angel have better chemistry than buffy and either?

>>83991159
dawn is excellent pleb

>>83992370
She got fat though, and not in the chubby I bet I could squeeze all her jubblies, but in the like dumpy mom kind of way, yet she is like 30

>>83992399
Umm anon I think he meant dawn of the dead

>>83992452
I meant both

>>83986280
Looks like Wolverine in that pic.