What's the best war movie ever made and why is it Platoon?

Platoon isn't really great, remember, with war movies it's competing with fucking Apocalypse now, which despite the terrible ending, still remain purest kino.

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>>83979354
This is the best/most iconic war movie ever.

>>83979354
Apocalypse Now is barely a war movie. At least Platoon was well made and written and directed by an actual Vietnam veteran.

>>83979391
Platoon is better than Apocalypse Now.

There, I said it.

>>83979391
Platoon is a better war film than AN, not a better film mind u

>>83979354

Das Boot

First person that says Saving Private Ryan is definitionally a redditor

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Apocalypse Now
>>83979426
This guy is a brainlet hack

I liked Platoon more than Apocalypse now, desu

AN had better cinematography and atmosphere, sure, but as an actual vietnam movie, Platoon is better

>>83979444
>Das Boot

Yeah actually you might be right there, Platoon is an extremely close second though.

>ALAAAAAAAAAAARM

>>83979391
Apocalypse Now isn't a war movie you utter pleb

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>>83979391

that is true if you have never seen deer hunter

>>83979454
It's not very good bro.

>>83979480
The Deer Hunter is even less of a war movie than AN.

>>83979493
It's alright.

>>83979493
good film.

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>>83979354
interesting that the same actor played jack in suburbia, who mentions his father "bit it in Nam" then plays a soldier in Nam, fucking poetry.

>>83979422
>german tanks were just american tanks painted biege
>tanks weren't even from the era of the war

iconic but dogshit

>>83979435
i think you mean to say you enjoyed platoon more because it had more action and conventional war drama. apocalypse now is the better film technically and artistically

>>83979509
>AN isn't very good
Just off yourself anon

>>83979480
Falls under the same category of being a really good movie, but not really a war movie.

>>83979544
It's source material is way better, the movie just shits all over it.

>>83979561
>Deer Hunter
>good and not complete wankery
anon, pls

>>83979476
how so?

>>83979571
How so?

Charge of the Light Brigade (1968)

>>83979599
It's not about war and the only battle scene occurs in the first 30 minutes

>>83979354
Zulu or All quiet on the western front

this thread is full of plebs. apocalypse now is the greatest war movie ever made. close second would be lawrence of arabia.

>>83979625
It's very much about war, more so in it's reflections on humanity, and there are several iconic battle scenes. Not saying it's the best, there are several that are comparable which is a good thing.

>>83979687
Apocalypse Now is one of the greatest films ever made, but there is a case to be made for saying it isn't necessarily about war.

>>83979687
>everyone's a pleb except me
lel, i remember being 15 too

>>83979769
>hurr durr it's summer so everyone is younger than me
fuck off asshole

>>83979571
Sorry but unless you're able to level some criticism against it as a singular film, no one's going to take you seriously.

>>83979741
the moral of a movie makes the plot. the setting makes the genre. apocalypse now is a war movie.

>>83979801
>implying
not my fault you have shit taste

>>83979741
it's a war setting you fucking idiots. or when you describe it you say it's about friends in a boat trying to find a guy during a weekend in vietnam in the 60s?

>>83979819
My criticism against it is it's trying to be a war movie and failing at it. Platoon is an actual war film made by a Vietnam combat veteran.

That's why it's better, and that's why it's a better war film.

>>83979605
Heart of Darkness is a great commentary on colonialism and the nature of savagery vs. civilization. Apocalypse Now is just "lol war makes people cuhrayzeee".

>>83979840
>the setting makes the genre.
So every film set in LA is a noire?

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Aliens

>>83979840
>the setting makes the genre

Stupidest thing I've ever heard.

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>>83979840
>the setting makes the genre

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I gotta add Hacksaw Ridge among others

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/thread

>>83979586
I bet you think the thin red line is a good movie

>>83979619
why are you specifying the year?

>>83979866
Apocalypse Now is a great commentary on the absurdity of the Vietnam war and the effect of trauma on the human psyche. Heart of Darkness is just "hurr durr colonialism sux".

See? I can be a purposefully obtuse twat too. Come up with some actual criticism, please.

>>83979984
No Windtalkers, what a shitty list.

>>83979840
>the moral of a movie makes the plot
Movies aren't fables anon

>>83980037
To not confuse with the 1936 Errol Flynn movie.

>>83980111
thanks for spoiling the ending faggot

>>83980045
Except if you had read Heart of Darkness you'd know you're totally wrong ;-)

>>83980037

There are three films with that title.

>>83979354
That's not Das Boot

>>83980119
>spoiling a movie that is 13 years away from being 100 years old
I never seen it either but that's my own fault. Fuck off idiot.

>>83980121
Still waiting on a legitimate argument here

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There can only be one war kino

>>83980119
>>83980141
My bad, I'll put it in a spoiler tag next time.

>>83980143
Not him but he did give a legitimate argument. You just did the equivalent of

>muh *insert word here*

Does war before the 20th century count? If so, Waterloo is probably my pick.

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Is there any more not-war kino?

>>83980178
>Not him but he did give a legitimate argument.
Where?

>>83980173
I'm not getting after you, I'm just saying it's pretty hilarious to complain about spoiling ancient movies.

>>83979354
Platoon or Hurt Locker

>>83979984
>fucking two WW1 movies and everything else is WW2 or later shit
war existed prior to 1914 you fucking faggots
It was hell then too

>>83980090
but then why are you also specifying the year?

>>83980179
I haven't seen it, but I'll check it out. The Waterloo world in Psychonauts was obnoxious.

>>83980111

He's not supposed to do after the war, he's supposed to die on a regular day of the war where nothing eventful happened so that the only thing dispatches writes is "all quiet on the western front" - in other words, the death of one soldier, even the protagonist, is of no consequence in modern war.

Rewriting the ending of the novel so that he dies after the war is over completely misses the fucking point.

>>83980212
>where
In his posts.

>>83979851
>it's trying to be a war film
It clearly isn't though.

>>83980203
THAT'S NOT A WAR MOVIE CUZ THERE'S NO WAR HURR DURR

>>83979391
>terrible ending
did we watch the same film

>>83980214
I see what you mean. I just can't stand disappointing people.

>>83980249
If it's not trying to be a war movie then I guess it's not a war movie.

>>83980247
Which ones?

TV
>Generation Kill

Film
Apocalypse Now (Redux)

>>83980220
The 1968 one was the one I consider a great war movie. I don't consider the other(s) great, and I don't want to give the impression I think they're great, so I had to specify in some way. Giving the release date is a common way to differentiate.

>>83980224
That's brutal! I never read the novel, but I might look into it now. What an realistic and savage message.

Despite occasionally cringey dialog "We Were Soldiers" gets a vote from me.

Others I appreciate are:

Full Metal Jacket
Enemy At the Gates
Blackhawk Down
84C Mopic (haven't seen it in a loooong time though)

>>83980283
Yeah, I agree.

>>83980285
The ones that were directed towards you. At this point your covering your eyes and ears and humming really loud saying I CAN'T HEAR YOU!

>>83980308
84C Mopic was pretty trash.

>>83979741
That film isnt about the vietnam war it is the vietnam war

>>83980337
*inhales blunt*
woah, deep man

>>83980333
probably would agree if I rewatched it now

>>83979619
This is an interesting film, caught it by chance on the telly a couple of months back. Anymore in that vien?

>>83980377
It's a good laugh I'll give it that. Remember that one guy who did nothing but make jokes about how short he was?

>I'm so short I can parachute off a dime, woo-hoo!

>>83980333
>The ones that were directed towards you.
I already addressed them as non-arguments and invalid criticism. The other anon has yet to actually critique Apocalypse Now as a film in any substantial way.

>>83980337

Francis at Cannes was among the best Cannes moments of all time. Not mentioned:

>Bridge on the River Kwai

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>>83979493
> With this crew we will be done before spring ends

>>83980045
Some of the language from heart of darkness sticks out awkwardly from the rest of the film in the openning.

>>83980415
>I already addressed them as non-arguments and invalid criticism
Yeah, but you're wrong though.

>>83980261
That was the only way I could get my lefty friend to watch it when it was on TV years ago

He's one of those people who thinks any film that has a soldier as the main character must be jingoistic crap

>>83979480
Over rated imo

Didn't like the pacing at all

>>83979866
That isn't any legitimate criticism, give me evidence and reason I can actually follow up on

>>83980407
The closest I can think of would be the middle of Barry Lyndon, war movies set in the 18th/19th century tend to not involve dark humor.

>>83980458
Not an argument

>>83979391
>remember, with war movies it's competing with fucking Apocalypse now
This is how you always spot a film student Redditor.
They will always be the first to drop that 4/10 tryhard trash Memecalypse Now

>It's so fucking deep mang, the horror. The horror! It's like a metaphor man, the whole movie. So they are like on that boat in the jungle, but actually it's hell WOAH YEAH THAT'S RIGHT! Our film school prof listed us like 25 different interpretations. God, Coppollo is such a genieus! One of them goes like it's about Odysseus and Odysseus means "trouble" in Greek btw. So they are going down on the river Styx, which is a deity and a river that forms the boundary between Earth and the Underworld (the domain often called Hades, which also is the name of its ruler. Mang, so fucknig DEEEEP!

Where Eagles Dare is a classic. It's like "Return to Castle Wolfenstein: The Movie" XD

>>83980497
See? You keep saying it's not legitimate criticism but you're also not substantiating why it isn't.

>>83980518
And you just did it again.

>>83980523
So... It's Life of Pi but less good?

>>83979935
It's juvenile to say the least, still very enjoyable though

>>83980376
That's a qoute from the director.

>>83979391
>which despite the terrible ending, still remain purest kino

How does one scour to such a low level

>>83980415
Other anon here
I don't necessarily hate or love Apocalypse Now as a movie by itself. I do know that in comparison with Heart of Darkness, it falls apart in many regards. I also believe if someone had read Conrad's book and also watched Coppola's movie, they would agree that the book is much better. The book ruined the movie for me in a sense.

>>83980530
Because reducing the themes and motifs of a film to a purposefully dumbed down six letter sentence says absolutely nothing about it and isn't actually pointing out any flaws or issues with the film. Also you can do it with just about any film ever made. If you disagree please explain to me why you think it's a valid criticism.

>>83980528

It's good fun.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0ZTTeTr-YQ

>>83980523
You're insecure!

>>83980599
makes sense because Coppola is and always has been a complete hack

>>83980697
not an argument.

>>83980697
*Mad Catter voice* We're all insecure here

>>83979354
No, Come and See is the greatest. It leaves you feeling stressed as fuck when it's over.

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>>83980838
You'll never save her

>>83980745

Yeah .... no.

>>83979354

>liking Oliver Stone's autobiography

Nah. I'll take bridge over river qwai, Lawrence of Arabia or The Dirty Dozen.

>>83980636
You can ignore that it's a film of the book during most of the film especially in the directors cut. The beginning and end are awkward transistions, but overall heart of darkness was the right story to adapt. Francis used it or abused it perhaps like a sponge, squeezing out the original setting and then soaking up vietnam. Vietnam was such a mess that I dont he'd have been able to draw it together without this kind of device even though it treats another work of art as a somewhat clumsy tool.

>>83980764
We're looking past the argument here to your transperant insecurity. Please, it is more compelling.

>>83980219
Have there been a lot of movies about the "war is hell" aspect of pre-WW1 warfare?

Seems like generally speaking those movies tend to either feature more romantic portrayals of war or if they do focus on the gritty parts of history, they tend to focus more on the awful life of the average person rather than the soldier

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Das Boot, Stalingrad, Downfall, essential german kino about ww2.

my favorite hollywood ww2 kinos are: the longest day, the great escape, patton, the dirty dozen, the enemy bellow, sink the bismarck, and midway

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as far as vietnam kinos are: platoon, hamburger hill, the siege of firebase gloria

>>83980203

extremely underrated

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>>83980156

i posted this >>83981969

Das Boot is by far my favorite war movie ever made though. It's a cut above the others i posted though I love the insane amount of acting talent that took park in the longest day and the extremely modern camera wood.

nothing comes close to Das Boot.

>>83981598
Charge of the Light Brigade, the Seven Years War portion of Barry Lyndon, Zulu Dawn, and probably some medieval or ancient movies do a good job

>retards think Apocalypse Now is a war movie

>>83980860
This is mesmerizing

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Winter War is the best war film of all time in my opinion, can't wait for the new finnish war kino https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yu9Q2ZHfROM

>>83980523
I'm sorry good movies get popular anon

>>83979354
Charlie sheen ruined the movie for me. Apocalypse is better though but it would've been a closer tie for me if it wasn't for Charlie sheen

>>83982604
Sheen was great in it.

>>83982604
Actually scratch that. Full metal jacket is better than both in terms of Vietnam movies. But war movies in general is have to say saving private Ryan