why doesn't the T-1000 look dated?

i dont know, maybe things now are just shit

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It does though

>>83933267
Massive amounts of time, effort and money went into it. When you have a fairly small amount of cgi like that, you can spend the time to make it look good, unlike a movie where the whole thing is cgi and you're rushed to get it all done on time and budget

>>83933332
It does at certain moments. But the effects are sufficient enough in other parts and the design concept well-conceived and iconic enough to work.

That's something that struck me watching this a couple days ago- the film just looks really iconic. Everything about it. Just simple, well-formed designs that look like they've always existed somehow.

Did you know those effects were done on Amiga?

liquid metal is probably the easiest thing to do in CGI.

>>83933394
Eric, please.

>>83933267

because it's an abstract concept, literally just a blob of liquid metal, it doesn't have to look realistic or detailed, just reflective

unlike, say, shitty CGI on a deer or a car, because everyone has seen that in real life and can tell right away if it looks fake as fuck

>>83933403
Are there any other movies anyone can think of that use a "liquid metal" effect or aesthetic at any point?

>>83933460
Abyss, water tentacle creature thing was a precursor to the CGI they would use for the T-1000.

>>83933267
Because it's stylistically designed to be that way.

aka people give a shit

>>83933460

Matrix
Hobbit with the gold
Janet Jackson and Busta Rhymes What its gonna be music video

>>83933527
>Janet Jackson and Busta Rhymes What its gonna be music video

Right... I was thinking about this recently, and felt like I used to see that effect a lot in the late 90s but couldn't really think of many movies with it. But that's right, it was in a lot of music videos of that era... trance and all those Timbaland-type RnB videos.

>>83933492
>Abyss

Yeah, often forget about that one. Cool movie.

Only thing that ever glaringly stood out to me is the roll Arnold does off the nitroglycerin truck.

Terminator 1 & 2 are seriously so fucking incredible.

James Cameron should be as revered as John Carpenter for those, and as much as Ridley Scott who gets as much respect for Blade Runner and Alien, and I think Cameron is superior to.

>>83933267
At least he can get a date.

>>83933267
It's held up pretty well but you can see some obvious elements of the early 90s in there such as the color scheme used in that shot.

>>83933623
james cameron is the most revered sci fi director ever what are you talking about m8? everybody recognises t1&2 as all time greats.

>>83933682
I mean more in the whole cult world, and aesthetic world. People tend to worship John Carpenter's The Thing and Escape from NY, and Scott's Alien and Bladerunner, but I think Terminator 1 & 2 are just as aesthetically perfect and arguably better movies than all those others save for The Thing.

>>83933716
t1 has a pretty strong cult following m8. for example many on /tv/ recognise it as the better movie than t2 (I do for example). most irl retards probably dont. it's fantastically gritty '80s synthwave horror stalker movie desu

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0HjTROQT8M

every t2 thread, faggots

'its about senses with him, in touch with the world analyzing and observing it, perfect chameleon'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZosMKUC3zk

>>83933793
It's because people don't go back and watch these movies very often.

If they did they'd realise t2 is a great blockbuster movie, but its not as good as t1 in terms of plot, characters, feel etc etc.
Same with Cameron's Aliens.

>>83933793
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0kg80jAtI8

>>83933592
Not CGI

>>83933667
>>83933828
>all that deep blue color
Yeah it kinda makes you want to listen to Enter Sandman.

>>83933267
back in the 90's film producers knew they had limitations so they gave us the best they could with what they had

>>83933888
>>all that deep blue color
cameron is obsessed with blue filters for some reason, literally every movie he's made

nice full house

>>83933460

The Secret World of Alex Mack.

Who thought Metal Mario would be a good villain?

>>83933907
Yeh but that color scheme was early 90s kino. Watch some music vids from that era (like, of course Enter Sandman). Dark blue everywhere.

>>83933907
Not to mention is he one of those faggots who goes back and changes shit for re-releases like that fat-fuck hack Lucas.

>>83933451

Pretty much this. It's like in LOTR where the Balrog looks so fucking badass yet those quick shots of CGI Legolas are so immediately off putting. It's the same technology however it's presenting something unfamilar alongside something very familiar.

>>83933907
I don't remember Titanic using blue filters.

>>83933267
It does. You just don't care because you've got a huge nostalgiaboner for T2. I bet you think the stop-motion Terminator scenes in the first one don't look dated either.

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>>83933965
of course it does. when the ship is getting wrecked he's got blue filters all over it. also all night time scenes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKLONTieD28

>>83934017
>I bet you think the stop-motion Terminator scenes in the first one don't look dated either.
T1 is amazingly dated and why wouldn't it be? It's 33 years old. To put it in perspective, in 1984 that would be the equivalent of watching a movie made when Truman was president.

>>83933872
Problem I have with T2 is that its kinda soulless and has an annoying kid. Its a better made blueprint of most of todays action movies: Quips and lots of boom.

Aliens is even worse in that it isnt even a good action movie. It takes for fucking ever to get to the action and the rest is pretty dumb. Cameron should really be technical advisor to someone who can write good stories, if such a person still exists.

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ITT bunch of faggots who cannot appreciate kino and keep thinkng about a dildo in their asses

>>83933267

People knew the limits of CGI better in the 90s.

>>83933667
Cameron saturates all his movie with blue. Titanic, Abyss,True Lies, Christ in Avatar the tree goblins were fucking blue.

Watch any of his stuff and there is always a blue temperature throughout the film.

Dont know the technical jargon for it, but you can tell when you are watching a Cameron movie by it.

>>83933828
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZosMKUC3zk
Neat scene but I'm really glad it was deleted. Turns T1000 into a full blown retard. Nice to have in deleted scenes where it belongs though.

The lighting looks off sometimes.
I guess they didn't really had the power house to do ray tracing without taking months to finish rendering they had to compromise.

>>83934186
I love this scene and webm. In terms of concept it's so damn simple and easy to execute but so damn cool. You don't need billions of dollars and CGI to execute such a well made action scene, and all these shitfests like Die Hard 4 with crazy budgets and everything fail to get anywhere close to a scene like this. Cameron just makes the best fucking action scenes ever, he's so damn great.

>>83934186
I would have killed to have seen this live in cinema when it was first released. It would have been fantastic. I was like 5 when T2 came out and it was easily one of my favourites.

>>83934208
>Turns T1000 into a full blown retard.
how so? think it just looks stupid? not scientific enough? finds the alcove too quickly?

>>83934299
yeah I think the way he moves around the room is just retarded and far too overdone.

>>83933332
Never liked this shot, even back in 91. Thought it looked like shit.

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>>83934186
>>83933267
>tfw I saw T2 opening weekend in the 90's
top ten theater experience

>>83934353
i dont think they fucked it up. It looks strange because he reflects blue sky against red fire.

>>83934399
me too. Yuro thou

>>83934208
The theatrical cuts for all of Camerons films are the best, except for perhaps The Abyss, but even then the pacing suffers from the extra scenes.

They are getting harder to find too. The directors cut of T2 & Aliens seems to be the standard version out there which sucks.

>>83935306
>They are getting harder to find too. The directors cut of T2 & Aliens seems to be the standard version out there which sucks.
I'm trying to find the theatrical cut torrent of Donnie Darko right now and only wind up with the director's cut which is fucking AIDS. I know DD isn't Cameron but I thought I'd lament this here.

>>83934186
This is still so fucking cool.

>>83935306
I prefer the DC for T2 if only for the scene where John and Sarah flip the Terminator's switch so he can begin to learn. Shit was pure fucking kino.

>>83935573
the scene hasn't aged at all and is still better than anything you'd find in a modern action movie

>>83935688
fury road

>>83935710
is a pile of shit

>>83934186
This would all be CG now.

>>83935714
but it literally isnt. the practical effects are amazing

>>83935755
It would also be shot on digital video instead of film.

>>83935773
for you

>>83933460
Terminator Genisys

>>83933926
my nigga

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T2 was great for the time, but now it's kinda dated, visual effect have gone a long way since then :^)

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All of these utter plebs on here defending T2

This is why every other board laughs at you guys.

http://www.michaelfuchs.org/re/index.php?story=2010-03-01

>>83936007
plz tell me bottom left is fake

>>83935774
It would also have at least 3 cuts during the part where Arnolod walks across to the cryo truck.

>>83936066
It might be from a trailer doe.

>>83936007
The color, lighting, general cinematography, all of it's a product of that era.

>>83935306
That's literally wrong. His director's cuts are far better than the others. And that weird T-1000 scene isn't part of the director's cut.

>>83936172
How so? The Aliens DC shows way too much and ruins the mystery and suspense of the colony right at the opening scene of the film. The other scenes are interesting but wreck the pacing of the movie.

The T2 scene in the DC where they flip the switch is just acted poorly and feels really out of place. It also drags on a bit too long.

>>83936172
is the dx the one with that scene in the hospital where sarah imagines kyle reese talking to her? did they also use the alternative ending where sarah connor is sitting as an old woman in a park? because fuck me those scenes were aids.

>>83936289
*also has that shit with the terminator turned off and they're doing some kinda surgery on him? shit was dumb dumb dumb

>>83936289
Yep thats the one

>>83936387
yeah that shit is terrible family

when I first saw that alternative scene of sarah in the park I immediately wondered if I was watching an intentional parody scene

>>83936331
>*also has that shit with the terminator turned off and they're doing some kinda surgery on him? shit was dumb dumb dumb

I like that scene, it shows just how mental Sarah is and John has that line about how does she expect him to be a leader if she won't listen to him.

>>83936458
>I like that scene
that's cause you're a moron my dude
but i still love you so no worries

>>83934186
is it true they are releasing T2 again in 3d next year or so ? So gonna see it

>>83936502
>but i still love you so no worries

I don't want to be loved by someone who can't respect my opinion and calls me names.

>>83936504
This year, in august in fact.

>>83936550
Okay I apologise and I take the namecalling back but T2 DX is still AIDS :(

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>>83933267
>why doesn't the T-1000 look dated?
why doesn't The Matrix look dated?

>a race to the CGI bottom since

>>83936289
The one with Kyle is in the DC. The one with Sarah as an old woman is not. What's wrong with the Kyle scene? I think it was pretty important for her character.

>>83933623
Cameron IS revered.
The only reason people don't talk about him often is because the so blatantly obvious he's good at what he does.
Contrast with Carpenter, who never really got the mainstream recognition he deserved, and Scott, who sadly degraded over time. Both are reasons to reflect on and discuss their good works

>>83936693
>>83936693
>I think it was pretty important for her character.
I don't think so. We already know how much Sarah loved Kyle, we don't need another hamfisted and unnecessary scene to remember this. Also the scene is just way to soppy and out of place for the rest of the film. It sticks out like a sore thumb. The acting was also really bad during it, scene felt incredibly forced. I hate it.

>>83936729
That's all true, but I also think, related to what you said, that because Cameron is so huge, in a way he thus gets slightly dismissed as "that douchebag that did Titanic / Avatar" and otherwise is just attacked somewhat because he is so big. Which I always think is a really misguided sentiment. Some people just know how to make a giant fucking crowd-pleasing movie that is still awesome (and I'm not a fan of Titanic or Avatar but they don't at all take away from the Terminator movies or Aliens).

>>83937068
>that because Cameron is so huge, in a way he thus gets slightly dismissed as "that douchebag that did Titanic / Avatar" and otherwise is just attacked somewhat because he is so big.
Didn't mean to repeat myself there, was reformatting the sentence and forgot to erase part.

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>>83936729
>and Scott, who sadly degraded over time
He's aged incredibly well doh.

>>83936834
Nonsense.

>>83937301
nice argument

I bet you watch anime too don't you faggot

>>83936729
Probably to most Millenials, Cameron is forever going to be "that Titanic/Avatar guy".

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>>83933370
The film is amazingly designed, production and special effects.

>>83937379
Nope. You've been wrong twice now. Keep going.

>>83934186
>>83934186
>>83934186
>>83934186
This compared to that 25 minute soggy bowl of porridge chase in T3 will never match something as cool as that.

>>83936729

I also think that lot of people aren't really aware of his total body of work because he's been tied to so many franchises and what not that steals the show away from him.

Like people KNOW that Aliens was directed by James Cameron, but since it is a sequel to Alien that fact tend to be the first thing that comes to people's mind. Same with Titantic. Sure we all know that he directed Titanic, but it is also an early DiCaprio film and it had that song and the fucking Titanic. With Terminator and True Lies. it is basically Arnold that steals the attention.

Really, he doesn't get a lot of attention because people tend to talk about the films rather than Cameron's role in making them. Compare that with say Woody Allen which is all anyone really talks about when discussing Woody Allen films.

Even Bill Hicks talked about this masterpiece for a while in his routines

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I think Cameron and JC should team up reboot Dark Star for lulz

>>83937930
who the fuck is JC u cuck

>>83938582

Look up Dark Star

>>83934297
My dad took me out of school so we could go watch this and hang out all day. Still one of my favorite childhood memories. I wasn't much older than you were.
Cameron is probably the first director I was aware of as a kid thanks to T2 and the Abyss.

>>83935658
Where they open up his head totake out the chip andthe whole scene is in front of a mirror that is actually her twin sister and arnold mimicing. Sarah and a dummy.
Say what you will about cameron but the man knows technical production better than any of his peers.

>>83936729
>The only reason people don't talk about him often...
There was a time, not so long ago, /tv/ couldn't get his dick out of their mouth. It was discussed to death and the hivemind has moved onto arguing about capeshit.

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>>83934186
I was there on opening day aged 15, I pretty much shit myself with my mouth wide open the whole time. The single best cinema experience of my life.

>>83933965
Jack is literally blue in the end.

>>83933955
The balrog looks like a ps1 game and not intimidating at all desu

>>83936106
it would also be shaky cam out the fucking ass and closely zoomed in with a tonne of unnecessary edits (all nolan style) so you can't see a goddamn thing

also excessively loud, probably with those inception BWAAAAAAAAAAAAMPS in the background as soundtrack

>>83936007
I see that the Genisys Terminator has been eating xis soy and chia seed pancakes.

Because girls don't like guys who are obsessed with robots and little boys.

>>83940502
I'm sure it must have been fantastic anon.

On the one hand, I wish Cameron had made a T3 set in the futurewar. On the other, I'm OK with the franchise ending with T2 and I generally dismiss everything made after.

>>83933332
Why is there no fire reflection

>>83942177
The flames are behind him.

>>83936007
someone needs to shop a pepe chin hand on lower right

>>83942177
nice shitpost. the real question is why is there no camera reflection?

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>>83936007
as much as most things Terminator after 2 sucks shit the stop-motion T-800 in the first movie does not look good or even passable today.

I absolutely love it, but it does not hold up. Same as rubber Arnold's head after he cuts out his eye.

>>83942259
Even though that practical effect was always wonky, the budget T1 was made on is impressive in itself.

>>83937616
what the fuck is this picture supposed to be showing faggot?

>>83934186
>tfw that entire chase, from blowing up the cyberdyne building, to the t2 in the helicopter, to finally that, all built up to this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYJCWStejSc

seriously man, cameron is just on another fucking level action wise. I cannot fucking wait for Avatar 2. Yes even avatar blew me away in the cinema. being submerged in that 3d world like that was something else, immersive as all balls.

>>83936007
Stan Winston died. thats what happened

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>>83942521
>get excited for A2
>check imdb
>see this

wtf? Why is he making 5 of them? thats fucking overkill.

>>83934182
>It takes for fucking ever to get to the action and the rest is pretty dumb.
I agree that "the rest is pretty dumb", but why is it a problem that it takes a long time to get to the action? Most great action movies take a while to set things up, although it is true that there's usually at least some kind of mini-action scene near the beginning.

>>83942335
Squares

>>83942633
Great symphonies are composed of many, many parts, anon.

>>83934274
Absolutely. This scene is great not just because of the physical objects and actors, but also because it is well composed and edited. The camera distance and focus, the camera motion, the switching from cut to cut, the pacing of the cuts... everything is well-done. One gets a fluid, active sense, in which everything that is happening is clear.

>>83942883
eh.

he could at least take a break after 3 and just give us a balls to the wall action movie a la true lies before completing his 'symphony'

I had no idea they had that kind of graphics in 1991.

>>83934274
>In terms of concept it's so damn simple and easy to execute but so damn cool.

That's because you can clearly see that it's a REAL actor, walking on the hood of a REAL truck, driving on a REAL road. Because it's all real, the physics completely check out, making you much more immersed than some over the top, CGI, anime bullshit could ever accomplish.
Like they say, less is more.

>>83933267
I like how you can see the vending machine and the cop's back in his reflection. Those little touches help a lot.

>>83934186
Awesome looking stunts like this will never happen in a movie again...

>>83942969
This was state-of-the-art, very high budget cinematography at the cutting edge of early 90s technology.

>>83935306
>They are getting harder to find too
How do? You can pretty much buy aliens or t2 on blu ray with both cuts

>>83943102
wasn't t2 the most expensive movie made ever when it was released?

then titanic became the most expensive to make when it was released?

then avatar did?

this nigga really loves spending money on making his movies.

>>83943159
>wasn't t2 the most expensive movie made ever when it was released?

$102 million

>>83943203
Compare that to T1's budget.

>>83933267
>t1
>crappy stop motion works because Terminator is jerky robot

>t2
>crappy cgi works because terminator is shiny and fake looking

>>83943510
Wasn't T1 basically just a B movie budget wise?

>>83933623
He is, you fucking idiot.

>>83937483
Yeah 93 here, i didn't knew he made terminators. Only titanic and later avatar.

>>83943549
Budget was $6 million.

>>83943594
Literally how? 88 and grew up with Cameron movies. Did your parents feed you pleb flicks as a child?

>>83943620
T1 was early in Cameron's career, he was just a young upstart director then and didn't have the huge resources he had in the 90s onward.

>>83943681
Lmao i wasn't allowed to watch shit like terminator as a kid. Also didn't really care about directors until i realised their impact on movies with shit like nolan.

Starship Troopers still looks fucking great though, even if I'm a little taken out of it when they start firing live rounds during a training exercise in the middle of a crowded base surrounded by unarmored cadets without anything between them

>>83943935
I'd like to add that i do remember seeing titanic as a kid.

>>83943620
>>83943812
>$6,000,000
shows how talented cameron was to make a movie like T1 out of a budget of peanuts. I mean really, this is what most '80s-'90s b movies looked like:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nhaxe9sYfI

Check out the shameless T1 cop shootout scene rip-off at 43:12.

(I love this movie btw kek.)

>>83933460
Hot Shots Part Deux

>>83943983
It helped having Ahnald who was already a household name at the time. Those movies just had nobodies as actors.

>>83933460
flubber

>>83944052
yeah, but it's not like these b movies would have been anywhere near terminator if they had arnold cast as well. these movies are schlock. terminator is an incredibly well made movie. shot well, great script, great acting, great action scenes, great editing, all forming a cohesive and rich experience.

>>83933875
Kyle Reese is great. He really seems like he's a soldier from the future where he's fought all these machines in guerilla warfare. Although very vulnerable, he's very quick on his feet and dives around with ease, though not entirely effortlessly (you feel like he probably hurts whenever he lands). His nimbleness is his only advantage over the invincible but much slower Terminator.

>>83934399
Me too. Packed cinema, people also sitting on the floor. Incredible experience and a fantastic atmosphere. could feel we were on the cusp of something revolutionary with CGI.

>>83935773
Practical effects, tarted up or smothered with CGI enhancements, look like CGI. Kind of feel sorry for the stunt people, as normie viewers will just assume meh CGI.

>>83944907
>John Connor gave me a picture of you once. I didn't know why at the time. It was very old - torn, faded. You were young like you are now. You seemed just... a little sad. I used to always wonder what you were thinking at that moment. I memorized every line, every curve... I came across time for you, Sarah. I love you; I always have.

= PUSSSSSYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

btw we see later in the movie that she was actually thinking of Kyle when that picture was being taken u guiz notice this? lmao

>>83933267
It does look dated. T2 is shit.

It does if you take your rose-tinted glasses off you faggot

>>83936055
T2 is great. Autists can't understand.

Terminator 2 is complete shit you fucking fags.

>>83945144
>btw we see later in the movie that she was actually thinking of Kyle when that picture was being taken u guiz notice this? lmao

See?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yUegbea21I

bet u didnt no that xD

Cameron plans his shots with the visual effects in mind. That's why the effects hold up better than most. He knows the limits of the tech and it's all preplanned to best integrate into the scene.

A lot of directors today are just half ass it knowing they can just do work in post. Very little thought goes into it.

Cameron will go the extra mile to make sure the shot looks good. Most directors won't. Robert Downey Jr doesn't want to wear the Iron Man suit so just CG his head onto a CG suit. If Cameron was directing that shit he would beat RDJ half to death with the suit then drown him in the ocean for not doing what needs to be done.

>>83933460
btfo

>>83933460
>g-guys no one else has this done
>ever
>all these (You)'s
lmao

>>83933460
Brainscan. This also had Edward Furlong keke.

>>83942633
Avatar was his Star Wars.
Avatar 2-5 will be his LOTR.

>>83946236
Avatar is shit.

>>83933267
it looks semi dated, but the concept is still relevant and menacing. Most shit from the 90s is laughable now

>>83933332
>>83933370
I saw it for the first time in 2015 and didn't feel it looked dated

>He knows the limits of the tech and it's all preplanned to best integrate into the scene.
At times I cannot understand how they can wing it with the effects, once you might have said "eh, resolution is low they will never notice", but there's still cinema, and now there's HD.

>>83945562
>Robert Downey Jr doesn't want to wear the Iron Man suit
Reminds me of JLaw bitching about wearing the makeup even thought they specifically made for her a whole suit compared to what the previous actress had. What a cunt.

>>83947501
>At times I cannot understand how they can wing it with the effects
Maybe the director just doesn't know what effects are available.

>>83933907

Fun Fact: My aunt is one who created that CGI scene

>>83933332
>1 off from quints

kys

>>83933875
Fuck, this makes me want to rewatch Terminator. Although seeing this does make me notice that even Cameron didn't avoid the common "bad guy can kill hero but pauses unnecessarily" cliche (Arnie cocks his gun).

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>>83933267
The CGI compared to day, this looks like fucking gold.

>>83934297
It's being rereleased in August in theaters. Not exactly the same but it is your chance to experience it in cinemas

>>83950283
That must be another scene from the director's cut. The original has that line going up his face, but not a closeup of the boots shot.

Again DX cut showing how shit it is 'cause that shot of the boots looks dated and like a video game for sure.

>>83951065
In 3D right? If its 3D I'm there for sure. Of course it won't be like experiencing it for the first time ever in '91 though.

T2 is not only a shitty Terminator movie and a shitty sequel but a pretty shitty movie in general.

>>83933267
it does? it looks like every 3D animation of the 90's, T1 > T2

>>83934186
fuck me, I need to rewatch t1 and t2
>no bullshit 50 cuts editing when arnie walks robotically onto the truck
>clearly see the whole sequence from getting out, walking to the truck windshield and blasting that mother straight on
my dick is absolutely diamonds lads

>>83954060
nobody cares about you're dick