ITT: The highest pinnacles of human artistic achievement that

that whole era of japanese noir (i remember hearing it called nikkatsu noir) is really interesting and worth exploring, but suzuki's weird surrealism elements and editing makes his really stand above the rest.

>>83907278
Another gem from that Nikkatsu era is "A Colt is my Passport". The final scene is one of my favorite action scenes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvR68ugbWA4

>>83906371
Tokyo nagaremonoooooo

The Face of Another

>>83906371
Style over substance: the film

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>>83908109

>>83908109
Style and substance are not mutually exclusive

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>>83908109
>he wants substance over style

>>83906371
Branded to Kill is better
As for an actual example of transcendent human achievement in cinema, Bergman's Persona.

>>83908849
>Branded to Kill is better
How do you figure that?

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>>83906371
Head to the Gallows>Tokyo Drifter

>>83908113
Intolerance>A Brighter Summer Day

>>83907662
A Woman's Face>Face of Another

>>83908849
Lilith>Persona

Criterion shit is and will forever always be cancer.

>>83909011
There is a difference between being an elitist and being a contrarian. You are the latter.

>>83909049
There is no difference between having. shit taste and bad genes. You evidently have both.

>>83907444
Drenched in Leone-esque aesthetic and I love it

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>>83909166
>Leone-esque
You mean Ford, babby

>>83909194
I mean, everyone is inspired by Ford but Yojimbo and Fistful came out a few years prior to Colt so one of those is probably the more direct inspiration.

>>83909011
Criterion didn't make any of those movies

>>83909194
Yes I'm sure Leone had no idea how to shoot a close-up before he watched Ford

>>83906371
La region centrale

>>83906371
nice poster at least

>>83909194
Why would he use the "For a Few Dollars More" scene instead of TGTBTU and a more extreme example (the eyes only close up) ?

Also
>taking something and improving it makes you a hack

Leone was a master of building a narrative gradually, through the use of slow character development (not in the sense that they change, but in how much the audience get to know about them and their motives), camera use (gradually more extreme close ups) and music (final scene often featuring music that is similar but more dramatic/intense to music from earlier in the films). Just because Ford did something similar before doesnt make Leone a hack.

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>>83909419
Everything in the Criterion Collection is garbage. It's what pseuds pick from to seem cultured without actually knowing history or theory.

>>83909481
All of Leone's shit is from Ford's.

>>83909750
>Leone was a master of building a narrative gradually, through the use of slow character development
Literally anything by Ford or Thomas Ince, plebbit.

>>83908113
such a nice movie

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Look at me, I'm Clint Eastwood!

>>83910094
>Everything in the Criterion Collection is garbage.
Why?

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>>83910108
Simultaneous narratives and coming of age stories aren't anything new. Neither is minimalism

>>83910141
Because there are hundreds of films that did whatever is in the Criterion Collection better and before.

>>83906829
/thread

>>83910141
>still quoting him
good job

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>>83910186

>>83910186
So how does that make the films in the Criterion collection garbage, exactly?

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>>83910186
If shit movies belong in the Criterion, then that means yours should be in there, too. That and your mom's porno.

>>83906371
Is... Is that a dardick revolver?

>>83909750
Leone autists in full damage control mode

>>83910600
babby can't even post a proper reaction image

>>83910621
Because unoriginal shit is garbage. Boyhood is shit. Films shot over multiple years have been done a million times before. So have usage of non-actors.

>>83910855
If you're going to take a half hour to reply, spend some of that time coming up with an original response next time.

>>83910966
>Half hour
Bruh, I'm a different anon who hates fucks like you so much.

>>83906371
There's a sequel to Fast and Furious: Tokyo Drift?
Awesome.

>>83910149
No one cares

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>>83911003
>Bruh
I hate niggers.

>>83911024
I think i could get on board with this being a meme.

>>83911043
Neither do your parents about you, but I think that hardly needs to be stated since you spend so much time in your room away from them

>>83910966
>Jeanne Dielman
>Kwaidan
>Ordet
>Gertrud
>Notorious
>8 1/2
>Contempt
>Il posto
>I fidanzati etc.
>garbage

this is how I know you're a pleb, everyone stop replying to this uncultured tryhard

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>>83911099
Keep trying anon

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>>83911138
>Jeanne Dielman
Ingeborg Holm
>Kwaidan
Turn in the Road
>Gertrud
Torch Singer
>Ordet
Greatest Question in Life
>Notorious
Shadow of a Doubt
>8 1/2
>Contempt
Susan Slept Here and Boy Meets Girl already deal with troubles of making a film
>Il Posto
A Romance of Happy Valley
>I fidanzati
Leave Her to Heaven

If you think any of the flicks you suggested are good, you have early signs of down syndrome

>>83911163
I'd say try to get better taste, but you can't fix genes.

>>83911475
Don't worry. They'll find a cure for autism soon.

>>83910966
You are such a faggot l m a o

>>83911558
Derivative is your median mode

>>83911630
Found the 12 year old babby mad that his genes are shit

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>>83911669
And shitting up /tv/ with pseudo-intellectual elitism is wholly original.

>>83909011
>A Woman's Face>Face of Another

If you had said Woman in the Dunes, maybe; but you didn't, so fuck you.

>>83911751
Pseudo intellectual elitism would be unoriginal. Stating facts is. Check for birth defects as soon as possible because I detect a brain hemorrhage.

>>83911816
>Stating facts is original
It isn't though

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>>83911794
Hmmm

>>83911441
ahah Amerifats posting about burger films like they're the pinnacle of cinema
I bet you would put Zack Snyder next to Dreyer

also none of those synopses sounds anything like those films that you clearly haven't seen

>>83911867
On /tv/ it is. Take all of your posts for example.

>>83911925
>moving the goalposts
If you genuinely valued originality you wouldn't be here.

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>>83911897
>Dreyer
Oh that's funny you mention him since he stole everything from Griffith. Even made several copies of his films

>>83910186
name 73

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>>83911897
>Dreyer
See here, Eurocuck

>>83912033
If you're gonna try to meme, do it right newfaggot

>>83911996
oh it's you again. You're mad, seek help please.
Griffith stole everything from the Lumiere brothers.

>>83911974
If you genuinely had a functioning brain, you would have left by now.

>>83912117
So why are you here?

>>83912083
Thought so faggot

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>>83912093
>stole everything from the Lumiere Brothers
Since when did the Lumiere Brothers implement soft focus or dramatic closeups, babby

<<83912144
Me
(you)

Always

>>83907444
Trips of absolute truth.
I remember that ending so vividly.
Such a fucking great flick.

>>83912148
since when did Griffith employ moving images retard?
why don't you go back to /pol/

>>83912141
To expose plebs like you. Start with Muybridge if you want to talk about film seriously

>>83912185
dumb non-reply poster

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>>83912203
Literally since 1909 and right here, babby

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cM5hVs2UB4s&t=75s

<<83912222
Me
(you)

Always

>>83912213
>Start with Muybridge if you want to talk about film seriously
Why?

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>Oh cool a Patrician thread!
>Thread is ruined by cucktrarian
>Why can't we ever have anything good?

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>Griffith didn't invent anything
>Griffith is shit
Criterionbabbies never cease to embarrass themselves

>>83912278
>1916
literally 20 years after

seriously, the only reason why you like Griffith so much must be because either you only watch silent films and have no idea of what came after which is what I deduce from your utter ignorance of every film made post 1930 or you're Griffith himself because nobody can be this much of a fangirl

>>83907278
Nikkatsu is a studio in Japan that produced noir films.
I think you only got that impression from the criterion boxset

>>83912330
This is why film will never be art. The "patricians" are too busy playing video games and watching cartoons while ignoring film history. Meanwhile literature experts gladly read ancient Sumerian and Greek works.

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Unironically this.

>>83912449
You didn't answer my question

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>>83906371
I like tokyo drifter, but it was just a really cool stylish film

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>>83912370
>ignorance of every film made post 1930
Proven wrong here >>83911441

>>83912449
making a film is not the same thing as writing a book

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>>83906371
I haven't seen loads of really abstract/artsy films and I'm probably a bit of a pleb, but this is probably the cleverest film I've ever watched.

>but it was just a really cool stylish film

are you implying that is something negative? Something that makes is lesser? That it's JUST a cool stylish film?

Cinema is a visual medium you disgusting pleb. And Tokyo Drifter is unrivaled in visuals, editing, juxtaposition and use of space.

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>>83912479
Color's been used far better before and absurdism was already done by James Whale in 1935

>>83906371
>The highest pinnacles of human artistic achievement that transcends our understanding of reality
>JUST a cool stylish film?
A film being cool and stylish is enough to be entertaining, but it doesn't quite meet the above requirement.

>>83912601
well it transcends your understanding.

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>>83912569
>Tokyo Drifter is unrivaled in visuals, editing, juxtaposition and use of space

>What is Citizen Kane

>>83912506
you didn't know what a single film I mentioned was about, you continue posting things completely unrelated, and for this reason I take nothing you say seriously
I would have happily watched those films if they even sounded remotely like the ones I mentioned, but they didn't, you're just wasting my time and you should go watch more films

>>83912622
i know this is probably bait but how can you say TD is better than 2001?

>>83906371
Is this like that Fast and Furious movie?

>>83912622
Hey that's a good point I guess my previous post is redundant.

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>>83912514
t. furfaggot

>>83911441
>I fidanzati
>Leave Her to Heaven

literally kill yourself, my man

>>83912674
what?

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>>83912651
>If they sounded remotely like

>acting like a coming of age flick is fucking new

Holy plebbit!

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>>83906371
>highest pinnacle

>>83912625
>What is Citizen Kane
dog shit

>>83912569
All that doesn't really matter if the film is hollow.

>>83912735
none of the films I mentioned is a coming of age.
This conversation is now over.

PS: Mysteries of Lisbon > Intolerance

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>>83912681
>couple separation
I can go further back plebbit

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>>83912809
>none of the films I mentioned is a coming of age.

>literally mentioned Il posto

Found the illiterate nigger

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I hate niggers

>>83912814
>reducing I Fidanzati to 'couple separation'

>claiming that Griffith invented that millenia-old motif

What a special boy you are

>>83912866
are you not even going through the effort of opening the wikipedia page, you just post the google results?
Il posto is barely a coming of age story, the protagonist is in his late teens for a starter and it's more a film focused on becoming an adult as opposed to growing up as a child and on the alienation of bureaucracy, go watch it pleb, it'll do your small brain good.

>>83912736
It says "highest pinnacles" you fucking moron. The pinnacles of the Himalayas would be higher than the pinnacles of Scotland.

>>83912974
>doesn't know what motif means
>says Griffith even though the filename states Vidor
Illiterate pajeetnigger exposes himself again.

>>83908109
welcome to film, kiddo

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>>83913042
Becoming an adult, alienation of government. Hmmm

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>>83913082
If you cared about visuals and formalism, you would strictly watch silent films

>>83913074
ok, Vidor, doesn't affect the point at all

motif:
>a recurring subject, theme, idea, etc., especially in a literary, artistic, or musical work.

>>83913170
>If you cared about autism, you would strictly watch silent films

ftfy

>>83913133
>thinks Griffith has invented coming of age stories
>has never read a book

spotted the literal illiterate nigger.

Is the actor supposed to be playing a teen or is he actually in his 40s in the film? This is becoming more and more surreal.

truth is I would love to talk to someone about classic film because it's not my specialty area but you just make me want to do the opposite with your retarded arguments.

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branded to kill

>>83909194
ford copied griffith
>>83907444
i found colt is my passport to be very mediocre, lots of filler (the whole scene at the hotel) that isn't interesting. the last five minutes aren't enough to make up for it.

>>83913296
>ford copied griffith

However, for some reason his fils are 10 times more entertaining, enjoyable and aesthetically pleasing

>>83913286
Never once implied he ever did. And we're clearly talking about film. Also Romance of Happy Valley was already teens. Paul Muni being early 20's doesn't change anything. You're running out of insults and there's nothing you can change.

>>83913183
You can't watch Griffith because he isn't in Criterion Collection and you refuse to believe anything that came before did anything better to whatever film you like. Go ahead and admit so you can finally get closure

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>>83913527
>entertaining
Entertainment is for plebs. Griffith never made entertainment nor films. He made sunplays.

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>>83906371

>>83913569
I have watched Intolerance and it was interesting but I don't really feel like watching any more of his movies.

They feel like like using Windows 2000 in 2017.

>>83913685

is better than

>>83906371

>>83913608
Nah, Griffith made entertainment.

>>83913762
They're both very good, anon, calm down.

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>>83913737
>They feel like using Windows 2000 in 2017
That's called tableau-style, babby. Griffith was a master and pioneer of it. He constructed images worthy of being hung on a wall

>>83913891
Too blurry

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>>83913737
Now the accompanying image

>>83909011

>Look at me! I'm so quirky and contrarian!

>>83913569
yes you did, here exactly: >>83912735

If you're talking about camera techniques I'm almost completely with you (I still think the Russians did stuff that the Americans didn't do), but you keep saying stuff like coming of age or alienation or couple separations are themes Griffith or Vidor invented and that's simply unimaginable when we have millennia of literature that prove you wrong.
I went and checked it and he was exactly 37. And it's pretty fucking relevant when we're talking about movies about 'becoming an adult'.

You've been utterly destroyed ITT. You've been wrong about so many things it's not even funny anymore.

>>83913915
You can see it full definition at a private screening studio :^)

>>83913955
I'll pass, grandpa

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>>83912674

I don't understand how it's hard to get into old movies. I didn't grow up in the black and white era, but I watched a lot of Laurel and Hardy. That led to a lot of the 40s and 50s movies.

I don't see any barrier to appreciating them. "Primitive technology" is like saying you can't look at Caravaggio or Vermeer as anything but shit because you have a camera phone. How does that make any sense?

Film is also far more complex than a painting. If you try to claim anything under 4K RED camera filmed material is beneath you, you've elevated the technical aspect above all other elements of movie making; story, editing, acting, music, all come together in a symphony of sorts.

I guess my question is how autistic you need to be to reach this conclusion.

>>83913949
>still think the Russians did stuff that the Americans didn't do
like what? Griffith and Stroheim already did intellectual montage. And by the end of the 20's the longest takes were done by Americans.
I don't even remember if Paul Muni's character's age is brought up in the film, it's irrelevant to the story. The theme is still coming of age since he's been in prison for years, exits and has no idea for work in the Depression, then gets wrongfully accused of a crime and battles shady government.
>coming of age
>dealing with government
Same shit as the flick you suggested.

>>83914176
They don't feel very real to me, I dont' find them very affecting.

It's only around the 50's-60's that they seem to leave a big impact on me.

>>83914176
I don't know ask this faggot. He doesn't watch or consider anything good before the 60's let alone the 1910's or any silent films not in the Criterion Collection
>>83913949
>>83913527
>>83913042
>>83912809
>>83912681
>>83912569
>>83912330

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>>83914322
>They don't feel very real to me
Griffith literally invented acting divorced from the stage.

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>>83914191
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h35QgVZzesE
show me this shot done by Griffith and Stroheim and you will shut me up

>The theme is still coming of age since he's been in prison for years
that's stretching it way too far on the definition of coming of age

for the rest it sounds interesting, although I doubt it will be better than Neorealism or Hitchock but 'll give it a try because I like movies about dealing with bureaucracy

>>83914327
those posts are not me but I like plenty of films made before the 60s, I'm just not an expert on them

>>83914367
Why were others like Fritz Lang (and other directors as far as late 30's) still doing theater acting when it is so jarring?

>>83913961
t. plebbicus maximus

>>83913891
wow, that blurry 15kb picture absolutely changed my idea of griffith, thank you anon

>>83914327
There's two of my (you)s there and yes, I do watch and enjoy pre-60es cinema, plenty of it

>>83911441
>>Notorious
>Shadow of a Doubt
This is how i know you're a contrarian faggot

>>83914327
>making shit up

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>>83910907
I hate it when I ask someone something and I know they heard me or saw it and they just ignore the question.....bitch I don't speak for my health!

>>83910141
He's one of these contrarian film snobs who takes himself way too seriously, is never able to enjoy anything on its own terms, and self-consciously bases his taste on some king of the mountain hierarchy he's built up in his head.

It's one thing to believe that Criterion is overrated and flawed, but it's absurd to to say it's all garbage because they haven't released films that he sees as better or more important. "Criterion is shit" is probably the dumbest, most insincere contrarian hot takes I've ever seen. Given the sort of films he enjoys, it's absurd to think that he can't find a ton of stuff released by Criterion that he would enjoy. Yeah, Kurosawa, Bergman, Fellini, Bresson, Mizoguchi, they're all shit. Only pseudos like every great film maker in the world like that stuff.

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>>83914402
>wide angle lenses
Pure fucking cancer. And there were far longer and more complex takes in the silent era plebbit. Even in early sound era.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7W9-I4ktQw
They don't even have the longest one from this film posted on youtube.

>neorealism
Griffith invented neorealism, pebbosaurus.

>Hitchcock
Cancer.

>>83911441
>this crime film by Hitchcock is unwatchable garbage but this other crime film by Hitchcock made 3 years earlier is amazing
Your trolling was at least semi-believable up to this point

Also please point me to where you were able to watch something like torch singer

>>83914661
>longer and more complex takes make a film better
>Griffith invented neorealism
>Hitchcock isn't one of the absolute masters of cinema, and one of the greatest artists of the XXth century in general

you truly are a special kind of autist

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>>83914418
Because Fritz Lang is German and germans can't act for shit

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>>83914751
>Griffith didn't invent neorealism
Look at the fucking picture, reddit

>Hitchcock absolute master of anything except b movies

>>83914661
You posted a hitchcock film earlier. At least make your trolling consistent

>>83914661
your posts keep being about moving the goalpost and I find it too irritating, it's impossible to argue with you. First Griffith invents coming of age, you get proven wrong, then coming of age comes to mean stories about grown men, you get proven wrong, then it's about Soviet techniques and pan shots and you start talking about wide angle lenses and long takes which is again, completely unrelated.

>Griffith invented neorealism
if we go with your definition I bet he did, but if we go with the world's definition I bet we didn't

>Hitchcock
>Cancer
Has Griffith made any meta film?

>>83914680
>babby can't into private screening studios
>he can only pirate shit off the internet and pretend to be patrician like a neet virgin

>>83914844
I implied the film I posted was better never said it was the best. At least pretend like you know how to read

>>83910600
Best Mr Show skit

>>83914892
Where are these screening studios and how do I get access? Id like to educate myself on these films

>>83914975
it's on KG
sounds sappy af not worth watching

>>83914940
So your only rebuttal to Notorious was another film by a "cancerous" director? Seems like you should have tons of other answers considering your claims ITT

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>>83914856
>if we go by the world's definition
What you meant was Wikipedia, pseud. Get actual academic sources >>83914841

>did Griffith make a meta film
Reginald Barker did. Also see Gabriel Over the White House

>>83914995
It's extremely mediocre. Only a massive contrarian would say it's better than Gertrud. Also "private screening studios" is fucking hilarious

>>83911441
You're trying to be Jonathan Rosenbaum, but you just come off like a more pretentious Armond White.

Tell me, what makes Shadow of a Doubt great but Notorious shit? Why is Ordet a bad film?

>>83914841
>A film is neorealist just because it documents social issues

This is you right now

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>>83915056
>implying Gertrud isn't a tepid melodrama
Formally, the mirror shots are practically the same

>>83915040
no, by your 'academic' definition neorealism means 'sad stories about poor people' while there's so much more to it than that, like one specific characteristic has to do with dealing with the problems of postwar Italy which, obviously, can't have been done by D.W.G. in his time
And this is only one thing, there's so much more but I don't want to write an essay about what 'neorealism' is

This better be good, I love meta-films but I'll surely let you know if it's shit, and it better be meta by the actual definition of it, not something you made up.

>>83915056
there's just no way it could be better than Gertrud, that film is literally perfect and I'm sad for anybody who can't see it

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Look at me I'm Carl Dreyer!!

>>83915265
why do you keep autisming about the length of the shots and whether the mirror shots are similar

you sound painfully unable to understand art

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>>83915274
neorealism is documentary esque using nonactors with a political slant. Griffith's film is about the plights of immigrants in Germany post-World War 1. You're literally trying to refute academic citations from University of Chicago and BFI. Even quotes by neorealist filmmakers like Roberto Rosselini >>83914841 >>83914661

>>83915369
Why do you keep emphasizing hyperspecifics about plot when film isn't a literal medium

>>83915538
when did I even mention plot

>>83915133
>Fuck academic citations and what neorealist filmmakers say, I don't like that you're smarter than me, so I'm going to cover my ears and scream
This is you right now

>>83914841
>>83914661

Also, watch better Italian directors like Mauro Bolognini

>>83912452
I agree.
Style over substance done right.

>>83915498
Neorealism doesn't have a political slant, it's socio-economic, focuses more on class struggle than the underlying politics of it, specifically regarding ennui and the emotional turmoil of the working class.
I'm not saying they've not inspired Rossellini, it's very possible, but one person saying Griffith invented neorealism does not a credible source make.

And yea, I'm definitely try to refute the academic plebs at the BFI, if you want a pit of ignorance regarding the medium to should go there.

>>83915558
when did you ever have good taste

To all the patricians in this thread, what are some films I can watch to get more educated on the medium . Where do I start?

>>83915628
Done right, style is substance.

>>83915682
never claimed to

why do you keep seeing things where they are not

>>83915655
>I trust Criterion over University of Chicago
You are pure fucking cancer, but I'm going to continue to expose you anyway.

>socio-economic class struggle
Literally Isn't Life Wonderful. I'll even post A Corner in Wheat just to make it shorter for you, plebbit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=By6qokGa7FE&t=33s

Make sure to give up anytime soon and concede that you're just too pleb for Griffith.

>>83915604
>fuck this one quote and this other quote that I still haven't provided

do you have any more quotes that contradict the consensus of film criticism?

>>83915728
>what are some films I can watch to get more educated on the medium
That's the dumbest question I've ever fucking heard. If you want to know anything actually read a fucking history book or film theory textbook

>>83915859
hey, I guess El Lazarillo de Tormes is neorealist too

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>>83915861
>memes memes memes memes memes

You're supposed to follow the linked posts here
>>83914841
>>83914661
And click on the pictures. Then read.

I'd like to assume you can read, nigger, but you're not proving me otherwise

>>83915604
>Also, watch better Italian directors like Mauro Bolognini
better than who?

>>83915909
I really don't give a fuck. I just know I'm right about Griffith, and you're too pleb for him

>>83916012
better than anybody you like

>>83916062
He's just an average director, why are you guys so obsessed with average lesser known directors on this board? Next are you gonna tell me that Eriprando Visconti is better than Luchino
Not even those directors would make such claims

>>83915859
as I imagined, looks nothing like Italian neorealism, I mean why the fuck would you post that, it goes so completely counter to the argument you're trying to make
Have you truly never watched an Italian neorealist film that you don't know what it's like or are you just playing dumb?

I already told you I like Griffith, but he definitely didn't invent anything, like I proved earlier with that Soy cuba shot that you couldn't find so you just started talking about wide-angle lenses instead.

wew I'm done I'll let you know if I like those supposedly meta films and I'm not just being meme'd although I already know I am based on every single one of your posts.

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>>83914536
You know I'm right. Always am.

>>83914506
>he says while he has less than 2000 films before 1939 watched

>>83914435
Maybe if you had an invite to a private screening studio, you'd be able to see it clearly. Too bad I guess.

>>83913845
Hardly. American doesn't equal entertainment. See pic-related.
"Griffith was the first to bring the intelligentsia from that of the theatre to the cinema"
-Eric von Stroheim
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frNv-tVBafo&t=225s

>>83916197
t. never seen a single Mauro Bolognini film

>>83916234
Ok, but Griffith still made entertainment.

>>83916207
*downboats Griffith films

>>83916261
but I did, It's easy when you don't need subs

>>83916273
>he says while watching the films from the Italian equivalent of Hollywood

>>83916408
Not an argument

>>83916366
But you couldn't have. You only watch Criterionshit remember

>>83916445
You haven't posted a single one other than "it's not in Criterion".

>>83916502
>"it's not in Criterion"
Literally no one has made that argument, you fucking retard.

>>83916474
I don't need to wait for criterion releases of italian films, I speak italian
>criterionabby
>plebbit
>Griifith did it first
Why are you shitting up the board so much lately? Can't you just shitpost in the daily /lbg/ thread?

>>83916535
>>83914585

>>83916657
Do you have reading comprehension difficulties?

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>>83916616
>marioluiginigger
Stay mad true Aryan blood already beat you to the punch.

>>83916698
Nah

>>83916787
It seems like you do

>>83915821
Look at me I'm Carl Dreyer!! >>83915362 >>83915265

>>83916038
Was Charles Dickens neorealist too?

<<83916819
[insert vapid lethargic insult]

>>83914402
Kind of OT but is there a place to find /tv/ charts?

<<83916928
upboat!

>>83916366
>>83916474

>Griffithfag ABSOLUTELY B-T-F-O

>>83916719
Imagine how many Griifith films could you watch or rewatch right now instead of wasting time on this board

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>>83916978

why would I want to do that

I don't mind contrarian autists like Griffith fag, at least you get exposed to more obscure film.

Have to be honest though, the obsession with originality is cancer, it's all in execution.

The ones that came before did it best. People that say otherwise are mad because they're exposed as plebs.

>>83917558
This.
Everything was invented by the Lumière brothers, anything past them is worthless

>>83917558
It's pretty obvious to everyone here at this point that you're a complete poseur.

>>83915369
>If I make a copy of Ulysses and change the characters and scenarios my book becomes the greatest of all time

>>83917682
I'm a poser because I post films you've never heard of that are better than the ones you like

>>83917672
Lumiere Brothers didn't invent double exposures or soft focus.

>>83917698
Well the work and the author would be two seperate things.

If you truly improved upon the work, the book itself would be a better book.

You would not be the better artist, talented, but not quite as talented.

>>83917778
No, you're a poser because you've shown yourself to be unreasonable and argumentative despite being proven wrong on multiple occasions.

If you're going to pretend to be a historian and formalist critic, be a historian and formalist critic. It's okay to admit silent films are too much to handle

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>>83917848
I've never been proven wrong. It's not my fault you can't open a link or read.

>>83917959
Why does something have to be original to be good?

>>83917959
Your assertion that the person who did it first did it the best is fucking retarded

>>83917797
Hmm. I guess that's good Intolerance has four stories paralleled with a poem instead of 1 then

>>83917976
What makes it good then? Your shit taste and inclination towards it makes it good?

>>83917991
Sorry to break it to you but /tv/ agrees Boyhood is fucking shit. Did nothing new

>>83918107
>Sorry to break it to you but /tv/ agrees Boyhood is fucking shit
I also agree, however that's not a valid argument. You're assertion is still fucking retarded.

>>83918151
>I agree however that's not a valid argument
Once more, what do we need for a work to be considered good, your inclination and shit taste. You are no one, and I am a god

>>83918107
You can execute an older idea in a different way, mash up older ideas or create new ones with old building blocks.

Now as for what makes a film good, it can be quite a lot of things, something that makes you think or feel or sticks in your memory, I suppose.

Entertainment is a facet of good moviemaking, but not everything needs it or should solely rely on it. I like many kinds of films from silent to trashy to relatively modern. There are a great many I hate for different reasons, lack of originality is rarely the primary reason. It's in execution.

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What's even more hilarious is no matter how many downboats you make, Griffeth will never lose professionally academic and critical acclaim.

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threadly reminder that
whether or not a film did it first doesn't matter and the idea that one is better is entirely subjective to the viewer.
It's a sad state of affairs when this is the best thread we've had in weeks.

>>83918318
You're just going to have to face the fact there are many films you never heard of that already did what you like better before and better. The latter just happens to be what I prefer.

>The latter just happens to be what I prefer.
That's fine. Just try not being an obnoxious retard in the future.

>>83918336
Show me an older film that will make me feel like Liquid Sky (Tsukerman, 1982), The Cube (Henson, 1969), or Streets of Fire (Hill, 1984)

I don't want a value judgement on the individual merits of the films, I want an example of a film that can tap into the audience the exact ways these do, but better.

>>83918484
I accept there are a great many films that i've never heard of, and a great many masterpieces I will die before watching.

The assertion that every film has been invalidated before 1939 is unlikely at best, and the burden of proof rests on you.

Stating facts isn't being obnoxious. Willingly ignoring those facts and parading your mental birth defects to the entire board is being obnoxious.

>>83918606
No, I'm pretty sure everyone here but you agrees that you're being an obnoxious retard.

>>83918606
Please respond to me instead, i'm trying to be reasonable

>>83918600
>>83918534

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>>83918600
>The assertion that every film has been invalidated before 1939
Never said that. Said no formal innovation had been achieved since 1939. Plebs just ignore films before the 40s. And ultraplebs ignore films before the 60s

>>83918695
That's a more fair argument. Why the need to one up every film posted? Just upset that the old masters are neglected?

>>83918534
>>83918695
Can you do this?

If those movies are too out there, how about less obscure films like Evil Dead II, Starship Troopers or 2001?

>>83906829
Mmmmmm

>>83918759
No upset that plebs don't consume the entire quantities of available cinema from 1939 to before and don't actively seek more archival prints. The greatest films are either lost or only have few available physical copies

>>83918909
Could I have a shortlist of films you would recommend for those who do wish to go back to that time in cinema? Or a book you would recommend?

I've already seen the entry level stuff, go a bit deeper.

>>83918695
Plebs might be more open to watching silent films if you didn't act like such a cunt. In all likelihood, all you've done with your posts in this thread is put people off watching anything by DW Griffith.

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>>83918534
>>83918823
You can try Wild Boys of the Road for Streets of Fire and Metropolis for Liquid Sky and maybe A Page of Madness for The Cube

>>83919158
I've seen metropolis and not nearly the same thing (great film but much more about class and wealth, Liquid sky was more of a simultaneous romanticization and condemnation of decadence), but i'll take the other two recommendations gladly.

>>83919035
Here. Expand your knowledge.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0851702457?ie=UTF8&tag=theclafilsho-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=0851702457

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0520030680?ie=UTF8&tag=theclafilsho-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=0520030680

>>83919325
Can do, thank you.