What's the appeal of this guy?

>>83841007
If you're familiar with pre-wave French cinema, which was heavy and over-dramatic and very self-important, it's easy to see why something as breezy and stylishly nihilistic as Godard's films were as big as they were.
By modern standards though he's bland, I think.

>>83841007
>What's the appeal of this guy?
Look at him. /fa/ as fuck.

Deconstruction, subversion and political commentary. I hate him tho, he's too smug and self important and seems that pretty much everything he does he does it only to show how clever he is and how stupid everybody else is.

i hatteeee holywood so much! my favs? anything by godard n wes anderson :)

if you tell people you like him and force yoursef to stay awake during his boring flicks they will think you're smart.

same as fellini, tarkovsky and bergman.

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>>83841007
the qt to end all qts

>>83842159
she is mine g-get the back off!!!

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>>83842159

>>83841007
Historical significance.

Social commentary, 4th wall breaking, great sound design and long takes

>>83841420
>average /tv/ user can't even handle entry level cinema
Can't stop laughing.

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>>83842309
>>83842345
>tfw she will never sing to you about her ligne de chance
https://youtu.be/VpYdxKYqO00

>>83842439
Dont forget the
>unique set decorations
>fashionable costumes/clothes
>artistic dialogues

>>83842499
you're the average /tv/ user pretending to like something so everyone will fawn over you and say, "oh isn't anon a goddamn genius he likes this 4 hour black and white movie about nothing."

fuck off

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>>83842520
just fucking kill me

>>83842570
Average /tv/ user can't even get past the fact that some movies are black and white.. hmm

>>83842570
>there needs to be a plot to enjoy something
you are the epitome of a bitter pleb.you are too close minded and afraid to like something because of stereotypical labels that someone will use on you.just kys my dude

>>83842570
Dude you're like the most bitter pleb kid I've ever encountered in this place. It's okay if you don't like things, but try to understand that there are people out there who enjoy not being treated like retarded kids.

>>83842638
>>83842645
>>83842722
we get it, you like to be contrarian and praise 2deep4u snorefests. now please fuck off back to le upboat patrician website and jerk each other off about it. no one cares.

>>83842499
>you must not get it
hey reddit

>>83842826
>It's contrarian to like Fellini, Bergman or Tarkovski, some of the most respected artists of the 21st century
>Go somewhere else if you want to talk about movies, this thread about movies is not for that.

K kid. Have fun.

>>83842826
typical capeshit fan

>>83841007
>If you're familiar with pre-wave French cinema, which was heavy and over-dramatic and very self-important
There's nothing Godard did that Jean Renoir and Marcel Pagnol didn't already do.

>>83841086
>pre-wave French cinema being heavy and over-dramatic and very self-important

Mostly a meme

>>83841007
Godard didn't do anything new (yes even postmodernism), but he is at the forefront of some of the first independent filmmakers in France. He has a somewhat comprehensive knowledge of film history and puts it in his flicks, so he along with Kubrick are people academics like to point towards for newcomers as examples of the importance of knowing the canon.

>>83842860
>Accuses people of browsing Reddit
>A site where users mostly watch clearly and mediocre summer blockbusters

No need to feel so insecure

>>83842439
>4th wall breaking
Already done by Chaplin
>great sound design
Already done in Outskirts 1933
>long takes
Already done by Jean Renoir
>social commentary
I don't even have to tell you this one

Aside from being the forefront of one of the most important film movements, I'll say two things.

One: alternative filmmaking. I wouldn't exactly call his movies ground-breaking, but he did show that there's no solid rule on how to make movies. Look at his editing in his movies like that shooting scene in Vivre Sa Vie. You don't see that kind of editing in other movies of that era, it's jarring, but it manages to convey do much more than a normal cut or panning the camera to the shooting.

Two (this is more of a personal observation): His movies are "energetic". By that I mean you see a lot of movement in his movies like the dancing scene in Band of Outsiders. It feels like he injected adrenaline into his movies, which is why scenes where the characters meander in a certain location never feel boring.

his films all have the same theme
>LOOK HOW CLEVER I AM UPBOAT ME ON REDDIT

>>83843784
Redditors do not like to watch art house movies.

>>83843125
What are jump cuts? Your an utter moron if you think Goddard is in any way similar to those two. Goddard's cinema bucked traditional film narrative. There's a reason Breathless is seen as so revolutionary. It skips traditionally important events in film's plot (the killing of the cop is barely visible on screen), its callbacks to other films, jump cuts were a new form of editing. And this is only in Breathless, his later films basically abandoned traditional plots and became even more radical (these films are also worse and he hasn't really made many great works after the 60s).

Renoir's cinema on the other hand is entirely about mise-en-scene. And as for Pagnol his films are even less "cinematic" since he adopted from his plays and employed even less film techniques.

>>83843888
t. reddit

>>83843944
If you're going to stereotype a group of people do it correctly. I'm sure you hate it when people lump /pol/ and /b/ together with the entirety of 4chan

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>>83841007
His early films were funny and unique. Then he became involved with Maoism and became a bitter old self-important cunt.

Truffaut was much, much better than him.

>mfw never watched a single film from the acclaimed old masters or whatever
What am I missing out on?

>>83841007

He was a maoist fucking idiot when that stupid thing was cool so people get with that.

he should have been dead instead of Truffaut. fuck him, I'll be finally happy when he dies.

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>>83844149
cuteness

>>83844149
Some of the greatest movies of all time. You get to see how the movies influenced the entire medium to this very day on a technical and thematic level. There is a reason why modern filmmakers hold them in very high regard.

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>>83844120
post 66 godard > pre66 godard > truffaut
>>83844183
>he should have been dead instead of Truffaut. fuck him, I'll be finally happy when he dies.
jesus christ, get laid faggot

>>83844231
Arthouse directors sure have great tarts when it comes to waifus

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>>83843916
Jump cuts were literally in cinema since the beginning with Melies. I didn't even think that should have had to be said, but you clearly ousted yourself as a pleb, And no, none of the editing in Godard's films is new. Griffith, Gance, and Eisenstein already did it all.

>callbacks to other films
Literally already done by Chaplin in the '10s. Buster Keaton with Three Ages, King Vidor with Show People, James Cruze with Hollywood, hundreds of others.

And postmodernism was already done by James Whale.

>Pagnol uncinemtic
Godard literally considered him one of the best French directors. Pass Film History 101, babby.

>>83841086
>>83841132
>>83841208
>>83841420
>>83842570

breaking news: /tv/ hates actual good directors and rather have endless threads about capeshit

>>83844278
>post 66 godard
>muh Maoism and jane "traitor" fonda
He wasn't the first to do film portraits or essays

He's overrated. Hell, he's not even best french new wave director, marker, resnais and varda are better than godard

hail mary is kino

>>83844423
>best new wave director
>names left bank directors

I do love resnais and varda and marker. All of them tend to be more serious, but that's what makes godard interesting is that he's far more loose and ironic than the left bank.

Even with la chinoise, which I found pretty meandering compared to weekend or 2 or 3 things I know about her, there's always the sense that he's mocking his subject matter as much as he finds it interesting

>>83844508
>irony
'Sup, reddit.

Was I the only one to find the last metro by Truffaut extremely safe, conventional, and while well done boring compared to his earlier works? I even enjoyed two English women more then it. When you have experimental directors make such normal films it's almost disappointing.

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>>83844612
>experimental
What did Truffaut even do new? 400 Blows is literally a remake of Childhood of Maxim Gorky

>>83844612
how experimental is truffaut really?
other than shoot the piano player and some of the stylistic flourishes of jules et jim. He's as mainstream as you can get

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>>83844671
>jules et jim
Nice remake of Design for Living. Jules et Jim is shit just like everything by Truffaut

>>83844649

He carried the new wave and French aesthetic in his movies quite well and with a lot of style, which he really gave up in his newer movies.

I guess I worded it poorly but it disappointed me.

>>83844671

His early movies felt fresh like a lot of the new wave or neorealist of their time, for me I love going into those movies not knowing what to expect.

>>83844305
>Jump cuts were literally in cinema since the beginning with Melies. I didn't even think that should have had to be said, but you clearly ousted yourself as a pleb, And no, none of the editing in Godard's films is new. Griffith, Gance, and Eisenstein already did it all.

Griffith employed traditional editing, not jump cuts. I'm not going to argue that Griffith wasn't more revolutionary then Goddard but his editing is that of traditional films. What Griffiths editing does is heighten emotional response and build scenes to larger climaxes.The same is true for Eisenstein, his montage was entirely about getting the largest emotional response possible from a film. Take the Odessa Steps sequence, people running down steps that your never given a full view so you dont know large they are and how long people have til they escape, its also unrealistic as people running down a flight of stairs is stretched to over 5 minutes. Goddard's jump cuts serve an entirely different purpose, they simply skip over traditional events that would be displayed in a traditional film. You can argue about why this is done (whether to give the film a certain rhythm or to reflect the characters amoral attitudes) but these jump cuts serve an entirely different purpose then those of Griffith/Eisenstein

>Godard literally considered him one of the best French directors. Pass Film History 101, babby.

Even in that excerpt you posted he refers to Pagnol as "predominantly writers." Goddard and the other New Wave directors appreciated auteurism above all else whether a director is good or bad. Goddard thinks very highly of Jerry Lewis simply because Jerry Lewis could make the films he wanted and they were infused with his style (whether the films are good or bad).

>>83844770
Zero de Conduite already came out though. What did he do new

>neorealist of their time
None of Truffaut's films are neorealist since they don't have a political context

>>83844305
>>83844790

jump cuts stop being a major element of godard's style after breathless though. Not saying his editing is standard, but godard = jump cuts is really misleading

pseudo intellectuals love him!

>>83844508
I liked chinoise, but i don't get why shit like masculin feminin get's so much praise. That film is so pretentious. Same thing with other godard films

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>>83842826
>capeshitter calling anyone else reddit

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>>83841420
>>83842570
>>83842826
>everyone's just pretending to like them!

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What's this guy's appeal? Why is he in every french film?

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>>83844790
I like how you purposely ignored Melies and Abel Gance. Also, you've never seen any of Griffith's films if you think he employed "traditional editing". He used jump cuts to elicit psychological state just like the scenes of Jean Seberg looking out the car in Breathless in A Romance of Happy Valley from 1919. You also purposely ignore Godard noting Pagnol as being an equally gifted visual director as writer even though you shitted on him for being "uncinematic". Pic-related is from one of Pagnol's films from 1936

I-i like Alphaville.......

>>83844790
And no auteurism is not solely about visual style, they do not only like Jerry Lewis for consistency. They like him for essentially doing Godard's schtick before him (i.e. postmodernism)

>>83845059

of course you're going to find them pretentious. It was godard's exact ambition to make films as if the techniques of filmmaking were just being rediscovered. His stuff is purposefully and self consciously film-as-art so compared to most every other movie (truffaut's included) his films are going to be frustrating because they require a different approach.

>>83845058
Notice that this is the only thread with any substantial discussion about film on /tv/

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>>83845346
>His stuff is purposefully and self consciously film-as-art so compared to most every other movie
>his films are frustrating
babby detected. watch actual French avant-garde silent films

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Japanese new wave>french new wave

>>83845515
The American independent in the early 60's already did absurdism

godard was once a maoist who championed the murderous ideology of mao zedong and the khmer rouge. we condemn griffith and riefenstahl of their political sins, but griffith serioiusly tried to prove he was not a hater after 'birth of a nation'. and riefenstahl insisted she loathed nazism but had simply done as told. maybe they were full of shit but at least they tried to publicly distance themselves from extreme politics.

not godard who espoused the most extreme, murderous, and destructive form of leftism. film scholars, so outraged about long dead griffith and long irrelevant riefenstahl, never demanded of godard to face up to his past sins. unlike kurosawa and bergman who candidly confessed their cowardice in face or approval of, respectively, japanese militarism and nazism, godard has never ever apologized in general, or in specific to the countless victims of the tyrants he supported with all his heart.

godard celebrated and championed mao's total destruction of culture and intellectual life and the khmer rouge that transformed camodia overnight into a genocidal stone age marxist state. fuck that piece of shit.

>>83845605
So? The Japanese did it better.

>>83845634
It's the hot new meme: If it's not original, it's not good. Particularly enfuriating to me, since it shows no interests in art or its history beyond a tech race.

>>83845761
yeah me too, this thread has been a bad display of that mindset

>>83845634
>The Japanese did it better.
You haven't even seen any absurdist American independent films, criterionbabby

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>>83845515
Czech New Wave > every other New Wave

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>>83845761
t. tsar

>>83845791
t. pleb offended that the 60's flicks he picked based on aesthetics from the criterion collection are unoriginal shit

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>>83845870
1930s Czech films>1960's Czech films

back to your containment thread /lbg/ fags

>it's a megaautist shits up a thread episode

>>83845761
Boyhood is shit faggot. Movies shot over multiple years is nothing fucking new

>>83845965
This, fuck off. Imagine being retarded enough to use a social media site for film.

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>it's a I have nothing to say because someone's more intelligent than me and can't defend my objectively shit taste episode

>>83845918
every film that you like is gonna end up on criterion collection, better change your taste you pseud

>>83845981
>shits up a thread
>yet no one has been able to counter-argue him
gotta give the guy credit

>>83845346
>His stuff is purposefully and self consciously film-as-art so compared to most every other movie
Hm, like debord's and isou's films? Sure thing, m8

>>83845515
I love japanese new wave. Nanami inferno of first love, great stuff...

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>>83845870
pre-code era>czech new wave

>>83846217
Your only argument is "who did it first" not "who did it better"
But go ahead and say the 10s-30s directors did it better, when it is objectively wrong in most cases...

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>>83846215
>every film that you like is gonna end up on criterion collection
Griffith is banned from Criterion

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>>83846400
im not megaautist tho, i think my least watched decade is the 30s, actually

>>83845918
I definitely wouldn't defend Exodus, lol. Keep clinging to your meem

>>83846502
>it's a "let's pretend megaautist doesn't talk about and to himself all the time" episode
ok, change "Your" and make it a "His", same point

>>83846400
They're certainly better. You haven't seen any of the films that came first and can't handle your lack of knowledge being exposed.

LMAO at all the pseud tryhards itt

>stop not liking what I like you must like capeshit
so? capeshit is fun, you can watch it anytime on any occasion and it stays fun. it's not a 5 hour epic tryhard circlejerk.

tldr: fuck off pseuds you aren't impressing anyone

>>83846502
>i think my least watched decade is the 30s
Found the infant that can't associate with pre-postmodern society

>>83846478
No shit, why?

>>83846593
I have seen some, I appreciate them, but the result is not better, visually or whatever.

>>83846606
>so? capeshit is fun, you can watch it anytime on any occasion and it stays fun. it's not a 5 hour epic tryhard circlejerk.
Cool. Go talk about it on /r/movies

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>>83846721
>result is not better
>visually
Found the babby that can't into silent films

>>83841007
Why don't you watch his fucking movies and find out for yourself?

>>83846656
it takes a special kind of pleb to not like films made past the 1930's, you can take all your favorite films and I can assure you they have been made again and better in a more recent decade

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>>83846656
thats not the case at all, but i dont have to explain myself to you, pleb
>>83846606
why would you even come into a godard thread you mong

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>>83846702
Because Criterion specializes in trash. Tthey can't add something good suddenly

>>83846923
they have Design for Living tho

>>83846923
Nah, don't be a cunt. Is there any specific reason?

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>>83846873
>they have been made again and better in a more recent decade
Nope. There's a reason why the top ranks of the Sight and Sound list are mostly comprised of silent films and films from the 30's. And regardless of wherever it is placed on that list, there has yet to be a film made that is more complex and all-encompassing in technique, content, emotion, and intelligence than any of DW Griffith's works.

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>>83846954
They don't have any of Lubitsch's silents which are far better

>>83846980
They're trying to remove him from history, but it's futile because he will always have dedicated loyalists like me and his work is too expansive. Birth of a Nation remains the highest grossing silent film.

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>>83847052
>There's a reason why the top ranks of the Sight and Sound list are mostly comprised of silent films and films from the 30's.
Of course, and the reason is that a film has to be at least 60 years old to be considered a 'classic', more people have seen it than say an obscure 1980s Polish film that's just as good if not better. Plus nobody but Imbd and Criterion plebs listen to the critics top 100, they're always full of obvious picks and never anything original. Jonathan Rosenbaum is the only one with a sound top 100.

>technique, content, emotion, and intelligence
that's not Children of Paradise, sorry.

>>83847243
ignoring shitposters, watch intolerance and if you have, why do you think its not in the same level as children of paradise?

>>83847318
thematically it doesn't interest me but it's a very well made film.
I have the same problem with Rules of the game, talkies are less corny for a starter.

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>>83847318
Because it's American, not in the Criterion Collection, and he changed his mind just to spite me. Those are the only 3 reasons See pic-related and here http://archive.4plebs.org/tv/thread/83619556/#83627315

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>>83847243
>Jonathan Rosenbaum is the only one with a sound top 100
That's funny you say that when he gives some of the highest praise to Griffith, his favorite decade is the 50s, and he found the 60s and 70s a downturn in cinema

>>83847475
I'm not that guy lol, I have far better taste than that.

>>83847566
I don't dislike Griffith, I might even agree with you he was a great pioneer of cinema, but I don't think his films are the best ever made. You're dismissing nearly a century of cinema by that statement.

>he found the 60s and 70s a downturn in cinema
source? I know him for liking people like Rivette and Snow a lot

>>83847570
I wasn't implying you were him, I was showing an example of people disliking Griffith on /tv/ just to spite me when they actually do like him

Godard? More like RETARD.

Like this post if you agree!

>>83847631
I don't know who you are or why I would want to spite you for liking Griffith, I like Griffith, I just found your statement here >>83846656 where you call somebody an infant for not watching as many 30's film. If that's your specialty cool for you, my specialty are Easter European films from the 60's/80's and I disagree they're bad because they didn't invent some camera or montage technique, there has also been a lot of innovation in such techniques since the 30's, like the whole American avant-garde scene

>>83847644
like

>>83847400
its as thematically as a film can get imo, i dont think intolerance is corny at all, rather its so emotionally striking, portraying different events at alternate times during the film, the crude physical and psychological violence and lilian gish as a sort of intermediator between it all, reminding us of what makes us human
i dont know if it would work as well with synchronized sound
>>83847626
and oliveira too, well late oliveira iirc

>>83847788
thematically rich*

>>83847788
O Estranho Caso de Angelica for example only reedems itself because of its godtier cinematography, but the film itself isn't very good and not as complex as older Oliveiras, I think he might like the older ones.

>>83847744
>there has also been a lot of innovation in such techniques since the 30's, like the whole American avant-garde scene
Double exposures have been a thing since the '10's. Name one new formal thing that's not technical shit like IMAX and rotating chairs in theaters.

>>83841086
>If you're familiar with pre-wave French cinema, which was heavy and over-dramatic and very self-important, it's easy to see why something as breezy and stylishly nihilistic as Godard's films were as big as they were.

>If you're familiar with pre-wave French cinema, which was poetic and full of meaning and beauty, it's easy to see why something as sterile and nihilistic as Godard's films were as bad as they were.

FTFY

>>83843916
>t skips traditionally important events in film's plot (the killing of the cop is barely visible on screen),

Ozu did this way before (and better)

>>83844790
>Take the Odessa Steps sequence

oh shit guys we have an expert here

>>83847914
O estrano caso de angelica was simply bad, but wasn't the guy like 90? I can give him a break.

>>83847975
the way Brakhage did manipulation wasn't done before if I'm not mistaken, unless somebody that I don't know of did

>>83847914
>digital cinematography
>godtier
More like cancer

>>83848097
>Brakhage
Should've stopped there, plebbit. Jonas Mekas>Stan Brakhage. Brakhage did nothing new

>>83846400
vertov did everything godard did, but 30 years before and much better taste

>>83847207
>They don't have any of Lubitsch's silents which are far better
Said literaly no-one ever

>>83848161
I don't like Brakhage that much, but who did it before then? I'd gladly watch it.

Also Mekas is absolutely the worst of the scene, Mekas did home movies in super 8, he's the one who did nothing new.

>>83848097
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jmbk0qEMoUg
strange case of angelica was good, also he was 100 years old i think, not 90

>>83841007
I really didn't expect this thread to survive all day. Maybe /tv/ isn't entirely full of plebs.

>>83848335
we just pretend to be retarded

>>83848299
I didn't hate it but it's so much worse than say Amor de Perdicao, Benilde or his best Francisca
Oh wow, well it wasn't so bad for a 100 yo guy

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>>83848397
>I didn't hate it but it's so much worse than say Amor de Perdicao, Benilde or his best Francisca
well, would be kinda impossible to top doomed love and fanny

Who is the final boss of cinema?

>>83848238
>Also Mekas is absolutely the worst of the scene
Babby who can't into minimalism detected

>>83848468
it's a girl

>>83848503
nah, Benning is one of my favs

>>83841007
He was great in The Usual Suspects.

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>>83848218
>said literally no one ever
except for David Bordwell and the academics for the most recent Sight and Sound poll

>>83848468
josé val del omar

>>83848218
i like the wildcat and the doll

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>>83848562
>muh static shots of rocks and landscapes
Shit's been done before. Should know your history first

>>83848666
good pick

>>83848698
you were wrong about Rosenbaum and you still have to tell me who used Brakhage techniques before he did.
Holy shit, somebody filmed rocks and skies before Benning did? stop the presses!

>>83848645
>the academics for the most recent Sight and Sound poll
3 talkies in the top 250, 0 silents

>>83848100
Did you see the movie? It's gorgeous, and I saw it in a bad quality, because it aired in the only artsy channel we have in my country and they don't have a HD one.

Still, not a very good movie.

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>>83848792
>wrong about Rosenbaum
No, just forgot to post it.

>tell me who used Brakhage techniques before he did
Shit's been done since the beginning of cinema, plebbit. Start with Melies. Writing an essay explaining why you did it doesn't make it bold and new. Same with Benning. You don't even know the name of the film from that previous post.

>>83848845
Check the full list, reddit. Also, never specified which academics beyond bordwell. Nice ignoring that screenshot though. Doubt you've even seen any of his silents, criterionbabby.

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>>83848792
Look at me I'm Stan Brakhage!

Only seen a handful of his films, but the only one that I didn't care for was Weekend. Just felt like an extremely in your face intro to Marxism.

>>83849006
>>83848698
>>83848161
>>83847975
>>83845987
>>83843473
get a trip

>>83849097
>Check the full list

WOAH, what if... the further down you are in the list the less votes you got? wouldn't that be lit af?

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>>83849147
*car honking intensifies*

>>83848666
>>83848562
>>83848097
>>83847914
If you would rather rate a film solely on its visual appearance, then you might as well just look at a nice painting on a wall. Film review is about more than just looks

>>83849006
>>83849135
If it's Mothlight you're referring to, than that's one of his most tame and less experimental films. I watched most Melies films and they're nothing like Brakhage's. And that screenshot you posted looks nothing like Benning, which makes me wonder if you've even seen it. In fact I wonder if you're just making up shit at this point when that's the best you can come up are those totally unrelated comparisons

>>83849258
>lit af
>implying I ever meant overall ranking
Found the illiterate nigger

>>83843473
This is retarded. It's like saying "Tarantino's movies suck because he didn't innovate anything." Godard is similar because he understood cinematic language enough to cherry pick the best techniques from the greats into his own pomo, fun cinematic souffle.

>>83849371
>they are more acclaimed even though they got way less votes and none of them was one of the 250 most voted, unlike three of his talkies

this is you right now

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>>83849389
If we want to be brutally honest, Griffith utilized all techniques first and bet

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>>83849455
>except for David Bordwell and academics of the recent Sight and Sound poll
I hate niggers

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>>83849336
Look at me I'm James Benning !

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>>83849333
val de omar couldn't possibly be described as only visual appearance, i can guarantee you've never seen a film by him
val de omar is also credited for inventing a lot of cinematic techniques and theories

http://www.valdelomar.com/labo1.php?lang=en&menu_act=4

>>83849651
it's fine if you don't like Benning, you can keep watching Mekas a miss out on the truly greats like >>83849708

>>83849333
But that's where Angelica fails, the cinematography is gorgeous and it can keep you mesmerized and the homage to Melies is also something interesting, but it lacks everything else, that's why I said it's not a very good movie, but it's saved by it's beautiful cinematography.

>>83849624
>David Bordwell
Says one of the silents ranks among the best of Lubitsch, citing two talkies

>academics of the recent Sight and Sound poll
Clearly favour talkies, seeing as three talkies were among the 250 most voted movies, vs 0 silents

I'm starting to think that you might either be taking the piss or just plain retarded

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>>83849708
>>83849516
Griffith never utilized something, or even imagined to utilize something like tactil-vision, you should read upon it, it intends to utilize light and camera movement to transcend the bi-dimensional and give more depth and texture to what you're seeing

>>83849708
the whole page is just -under construction-, did you even bother following the links?

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>>83849901
just click on the links to the right you retard

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>>83849901
>>83850013
ill put it easier for you so you don't get lost again, downy

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>>83849708
>>83849729
>>83849830
Amdjeet, amdjeet! Look at me! Look at me! I'm Jose Val Del Omar!!

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>tfw kinofriends

>>83850058
>>83850013
fucking hell, that's the worst web design I've seen in years
the only way to make it less intuitive would be to use black text on a black background

>>83850059
we're not the same person, retard
you're just embarrassing yourself at least watch Fire in castilla before making stupid ass comparison shots

>>83849803
>most voted
Cancer. Actually check all the votes. The majority voters are plebs. See here. >>83847243

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>>83850059
of course now you're throwing a tantrum, also funny that you can't comment on the fact that val de omar did do something new for cinema
and amdi hasn't seen anything by val de omar nor does he know about his cinematic language so shut the fuck up trying to point fingers
fucking letterfaggot
>>83850118
>i-dont know how to use the internet, but that page sure is ugly! rite?

>>83850148
holy fuck

first you say they weren't more voted

now you say the voters are plebs (some of the most respected film critics alive)

you're the god of damage control

>>83850187
anon, you're cool
Have you seen Lodz symphony? reminds me of VDO a bit

>>83850187
I'm a fucking frontend web developer ffs, that's extremely bad web design

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>>83850224
i haven't, will check out, thanks
>>83850227
so you have a woman's job is what you're saying?

>>83850200
>most of the most respected film critics alive
There's not a single Val de Omar film on the sight and sound list. Yes, most of those """critics""" are very much plebs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25al9LDmAnQ

Peter Kubelka innovated sound in film

>>83850333
>so you have a woman's job is what you're saying?
hey, it's better than nothing

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>>83850187
>>83850224
>>83850333
Avant-teens BTFO

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>>83850510
tasty ain't it

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>>83850574
David "uninnovative" Griffith and his faggot fanboy BTFO

>>83850580
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cy78LNZFMIE
best commercial ever shot

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>>83850187
>>83850333
>>83850132
Avant-teens BTFO!

Have you guys watched any Guy Maddin or Edgar Pêra? 2 guys that really try to innovate cinema and I didn't see any mentions.

>>83850642
>>83850574
>maybe if i scream and ignore you, i will be right

>>83850638
>mirrors were invented by this spic
Hilarious. Almost as hilarious as you thinking he's special when you wouldn't know he existed without his stuff being featured in that avant-garde bluray collection

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>>83850574
>>83850642
again with the unrelated shots, why does he keep doing it?

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>>83850685
>maybe if I pretend I wasn't proven wrong, I will be right
Sad life you live. Also get better taste in mediums.

>>83850705
I actually watched his films, in their original prints, earlier this year in NY, nitrateville pleb.
Also retard, learn to read.
>>83850771
legit autist/schizo, look at his posts

>>83850836
but it just makes his point weaker when they look nothing like the films we're talking about, so either he hasn't seen them and is pretending to or he's grasping at straws and doesn't have an argument anymore. sad!

>>83850678
>2 guys that really try to innovate cinema and I didn't see any mentions.

there are hundreds of guys they really try to innovate cinema, don't be surprised if *two* of them are not mentioned

>>83850934
Guy Maddin is much more popular than half of the guys cited and has a respected ouvre (Forbidden Room, My Winnipeg, Dracula: Pages of a Virgin's Diary, The Saddest Music in The World) and Edgar Pêra did The Window (Maryalva Mix) and The Baron which are very respected as well. I'm saying this, because what could've been a good thread for cinema knowledge seems meme shitposting.

>>83851052
yeah, there are hundreds of directors more and less popular than him, why did you expect particularly him to show up?

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>>83850924
it took him more than half an hour to find 3 shots and completely (on purpose of course) miss the point i was making
no point arguing with someone like that, won't even get mad about it anymore, i'll let him sperg out
>>83850641
i agree

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>>83850771
>splitting the frame is somehow new

>>83850836
>NY
Cancer. You're running out of insults.

>>83850924
Might not look exacty the same but the same shit. Masks, shadow castings, crosses.

>>83851094
Because he's probably the most well know avant-gard filmmaker out there and his movies could fit into the discussions we're having here.

I didn't like "A bout de souffle". I liked "Weekend" very much, though.

I don't understand how a critic that, let's say, defends "art cinema", can admire "A bout de souffle", I mean, it feels like a bland portrait (or whatever) of a douche criminal on the streets of Paris. It's just the camera following around this character doing bland small talk with other characters.

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>>83851157
amdjeet why are you watching more silent flicks

nothing made in the silent era is better than anything that released 60s and up

>>83851352
im not amdi you insecure bitch
>>83851294
>masks
>fucking masks
unironically get cancer

>>83851347
Breathless is admired for postmodernism and handheld camerawork. Weekend is just a shit version of Rules of the Game

>>83851388
This is a mask >>83850187
and this is a mask >>83850642
The only difference is one is on the ground covered in mud.

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>>83851294
>1926
Kinugasa invented masks, Griffith did nothing new!

>>83851388
If you're not amdjeet post your profile then avant-teen.

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>>83851501
You're embarrassing yourself

>>83851515
this is not one of your shitty social media cancer generals, tourist

>>83851646
Oh my god you truly are autistic, you can't even detect sarcasm
masks have been used in theater since the beginning of time hence why your statement is so funny.

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>>83851688
Found the pajeetnigger

>>83851743
>hence why your statement is so funny
Sup, reddit. I knew it wasn't a formal invention, just wanted to prove you wrong anyway.

>>83841007

Good question. I watched Breathless and it was utter nonsense.

>>83851759
>2000+17
>still having a letterpleb account instead of a superpatrician sekrit klub with your internet kino friends

stay pleb & mad

>>83851759
again, im not amdi you redditor
i wouldn't such a cuck to let a literal retard like you dictate what i should or shouldn't watch
also, he hasn't watched anything by val de omar (inb4 he mysteriously watches his films after this thread)

>>83851932
>sekrit klub with you internet kino friends
Amdjeet is reddit confirmed. Also, sunplays are better

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ITT: People who've seen a handful of obscure art house flicks and read a few wikipedia pages think they're the hot stuff.

>>83852087
>>83852139

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>>83852155
Everyone except me of course

>>83852139
I'm not that guy either
is he your secret gay lover or something?
nobody there even knows what 4chan or Reddit are we just watch a ton of films and rec them to each other
again, stay mad

>>83852266
[insert vapid lethargic insult]

VERY good director
But shitty political mind

>>83841007
We had a whole Godard thread while I was at work? I'm pissed.

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>>83842570
t. Dogfucker

>>83845152
Forever Young is a great album.

>>83852371

That last post there is spot on.

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>>83852368
read through it, you didn't miss much
most of the discussion itt isn't even centered around godard

>>83852368
It's actually just two autists arguing for no reason

>>83852706
That's a quote from a man who regularly sexually abuses animals and believes that every character must adhere to an emotionless cold logical approach to everything or else the movie is not good. He is a robot millenial with no concept of human emotion or what is cinematic