Ie this actually good or is it just some anti-nazi propaganda?

its very decent. its a 'what america would look like if the nazi's won'

>The Grasshopper Lies Heavy isn't a book an-
No, thanks!

>>83838486
You mean pro-nazi propaganda? Because in the show, the life in the Reich seems pretty sweet.

>>83838486
It's thoroughly alright.

The book is very good !

>>83838486
>man in the high castle
>anti-nazi
what the fuck you say?

It's good for the wrong reasons. Nazi America is comfy af and you root for the national socialists

>>83838510
>The Grasshopper Lies Heavy
you know thats another alt-history book yea?

>>83838486
Ignore the usual /tv/ memes. It's a good show - decent production values, good actors (I think this is one of Sewell's best performances) and an engaging plot. Binge it.

>>83838710
Yes. So?

not sure if it was intentional or not, but the nazis were kind of the good guys in season 2

>>83838736
so i'm guessing the implication is the 'alt-universe' their going to isn't ours its the grasshopper one

>>83838486
>Anti-Nazi propaganda.

Seriously? Fucking /pol/

>>83838781
Indeed. But, still, they should have a book named The Grasshopper Lies Heavy

I've never watched the show, so which is better off?

The part of America that got RICED, or the part of America that got SCHNITZELED?

>>83838877
hilter probably had one, i am waiting for that pin to drop, who knows what s3 will be though after all the crew changes

>>83838972
oh you want to live in the reich, unless your actually a jap, live in the reich, the japs are racist fucks

>>83838972
If white, live in the Eastern part of the US controlled by ze Krauts. If Jap, live in the other part. If neither, fucking run away.

>>83839025
>>83839093
Does the book or show talk much about life on the Japanese side? What did they do with the millions of white people there? Genocide? Slavery?

>>83838486
It's a bit rough to get into because of the very annoying/stupid characters, but if you can make it to the end of the first season, it's worthwhile.

I'd say it's very roughly on par with Fargo.

>>83839125
yes, season 1 is about the jap side season 2 is about the german side, both show all sorts of things they did, they have split u the world between them with poor ol mussolini getting the scraps

>>83838972
weed is legal in japan america, that's about the only plus living there if you're not japanese. people seem to have better lives under the reich, but it's a shiny coat of paint covering an ugly paranoid society

>>83838486

It's kind of stupid to be honest. There are some things in the show which defy logic, such as the no-man's land between Japan and German controlled America. Why they wouldn't just have a border wall and make use of those resources is moronic. The show also treads a lot of water and not much happens, and it's just full of predictable nonsense. Nothing about the tapes means anything significant either, as there's no reasonable effect they'd have that could realistically change anything.

Worst of all it's just kind of boring. The lead actress is tedious to watch and is just shoe-horned into the show's plot.

I can see why this was a fascinating book when it was written, but it hasn't aged well and the adaptation into television just doesn't really sell it well.

>>83839125
On the west coast, the nips dont really give a shit about differences. If you're not full jap from Japan, you're a second class citizen. They'll let you live there under occupation. The Nazi side only has people of white European descent.

Everybody else lives in the neutral zone in colorado

>>83839125
Actually the book and series align pretty well in terms of how whites in Greater Nippon (US) are treated - they effectively become 2nd class citizens, subservient to the Japs in most social and professional circumstances. If you keep your head down and get on with your (usually) low-level job, you're left alone. You have to endure occasional ID checks and comments from Jap soldiers. You're never going to be involved in public office and in the book, I think you can't be a corporate bigwig. There is a lot of evidence of people being "dissapeared" - effectively trouble-makers, homeless etc, so that's genocide as far as I'm concerned. But no slavery. Either way, fuck living there. Its why so many escaped to South America.

>>83839232
you know one of the tapes changed everything in season 2 yea? getting the tape into the right hands was central to stopping nuclear war

>>83838486
It's kino

>>83839246
Is South America aligned with the Reich?
Are there any free countries left? >>83839242
>nazis side only has whites
So did they literally holocaust all the blacks?

They got bad press for making the Nazi future look like a paradise

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>>83838486
>anti-Nazi propaganda
Haha the absolute state of /pol/tards. Is the whole Nazi praising and LARPing satire or do you guys genuinely believe in Nazi ideals? Haha

>>83839355
Jesus fuck just read the book it's only 230something pages.

>>83839194
the japanese are pretty oppressive to the americans. think how blacks were treated in the early 20th century, and that's pretty much what the japanese do, but with an iron fist. you can still make your way in society, but you're a second class citizen.
the nazis did this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantropa, which is pretty awesome, and they "colonized" africa in much the same way they did the jews

>>83839408
Thats literally one month worth is reading

>>83839380
I love this fucking image. It's probably 99%+ accurate to what happened on this site. /pol/yps are seriously the dumbest people living

>>83839355
africas population got wiped out or enslaved, the current plan is to flood north africa to make fertile farming land, poor mussolini

>>83839232
Fatherland was much better at depicting what it would be had nazis won the war. there is movie based on it too, starring rutger hauer

>>83839419
>one month of reading
Jesus how slow do you read? That's like 2 days of reading for me

>>83839478
Fatherland is kino. Archangel & Dominion need a film adaption.

>>83839469
Mussolini is not mentioned in the show at all. The world is divided up by Japan and germany

>>83839469
Kek why does the axis bully poor il duce?

>>83839492
I got a notification from Amazon telling me I read 7 books a month on my kindle. a) That's a bit creepy, Amazon. stop it. b) that's a lot. No wonder I'm broke.

>>83839355
There are some neutral states left like switzerland, sweden and spain

>>83839416
I would 100% rather live in nazi-world then the jap one, at least you can get on with you life in nazi land as long as you turn in your sick dying grandmother

>>83839505
look at the map, he's their, just like the book

>>83838523
>>83838677
>>83838700
>>83838758
The Man in the High Castle is sincerely the most pro-Nazi thing I have ever seen on television.

It's like a retelling of the Cold War where Germany has drifted into America's place and Japan into the USSR's, which means the Nazis are the de facto "good guys" to Western viewers.

I think it's important that so many of the main characters are too young to have participated in WWII. There's a manifest destiny element to it where whatever atrocities their forebears may have committed aren't entirely relevant to their own lives, which are safer and more prosperous because of prior brutality. The one major character whose a WWII Nazi veteran is depicted with the same kind of stern mix of ambivalent pride and grief that all "war heroes" tend to develop in real life.

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>>83839380
>intelligence is chiefly influenced by socio-economic status
But every black millionaire is a total retard

>>83839513
because they don't care, their planning on building a huge dam that would A: provide an enormous amount of power and B: flood north africa, of course it drains the mediterranean around italy but who gives a fuck, italian fascism is looked down on by both japs and nazi's

>>83839232
>Why they wouldn't just have a border wall and make use of those resources is moronic.
You realize thats exactly what happened between the german and russian border after poland got split up?

>>83839419
you can read 200 pages in a day

>>83839565
its not really pro anything, if the show is allowed to continue you'd probably see a world where the american's won no contest and its just as fucked up if not more, the point I think is people are people and everyone's got a legit point of view

>>83839662
Lmao nerd fuck off to /lit/

>>83839419
thats pathetic, 250 words should be one or two days tops

>>83839678
>its not really pro anything
That's already pro-Nazi by how the Overton window of modern discourse is set.

I cannot think of anything I've ever seen with a premise of "Here's a bunch of happy middle class people having a barbecue in the suburbs on a sunny day under a blue sky, talking about baseball. By the way, the Nazis took over the world."

>>83839720
>Overton blah meh w/e
ew take your faux-intellectualism and pls go, don't care

>>83839772
What?

>>83839597
As is every white celebrity, so...
It's a celebrity thing.

>>83839772
lol

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Top tier sci-fi tbqh

>>83839565
> which are safer and more prosperous because of prior brutality

What about the people who were victims of that brutality?

>>83839856
How many people sincerely grieve over the Mayans or the Rhodesians or the Armenians that aren't directly related to them?

>>83839856
They dont exist anymore so who cares?

>>83839783
>Overton window of modern discourse
don't mention that shit in my vicinity again

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>>83839926

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huh

>>83839856
>>83839885
>White people are incapable of having feelings for non-whites

Surprise surprise

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>>83839960

>>83840033
>didn't understand anything posted
surprise surprise

>>83840033
>people are incapable of having feelings for non-their people
Nobody gives a shit. Diversity is an illusion.

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>>83840033
You're so illiterate you missed "Rhodesians"

The white people that were wiped out by Mugabe

>>83840097
Say that to my beautiful african wife and her son

>>83839565
exept the series focuses on characters and places that are the least bad off. Everybody that isnt white or japanese has either been genocided or is in the process of being genocided. Cultural and artistic freedom is severly deminished even in the reich, and while there are young people who are innocent about the past genocide and can't change what happened and *rebell*, they don't present a proper counter culture, just decadence and they are anti-megastructures. Not to mention killing mentally perfectly fine people to save healthcare costs. Its a world where freedom and the individual don't matter.
Are the characters evil, most are not no, just people. But is the world a worse place to live in even for a white person unless you are 100% with the system? yes it is.

if anything the best thing that the show did was to not make the nazis or japanese into some caricature le evil maniac people and thus highlight the evil that is their ideologies even better.

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>I rate Adolf Shitler

>>83839720
exept the scene highlights how none of them are happy at all, exept the children and the dog

>>83840134
>wiped out

They literally just left the country you idiot

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What did he mean by this?

>>83840186
>Everybody that isnt white or japanese has either been genocided or is in the process of being genocided
Keep in mind America in 1960 was 90% white and most of the remaining 10% were blacks that no one was overly fond of

>they don't present a proper counter culture, just decadence and they are anti-megastructures
There's actually an active suffragette movement in the Nazi society. Which seems kind of odd in that you know, they don't get beaten or gassed for protesting the government, except I guess it symbolizes that 20 years later the government is softening

>Its a world where freedom and the individual don't matter.
This has been and will always be most of the world, look at China - and their tremendous successes

>>83838501
>its very decent. its a 'what america would look like if the nazi's won'
Not really but it's interesting. Nazi's wouldn't have invaded the USA nor would they have split it with Japan had they done so.

>>83838501
And this is why some people watch it

They honestly just like to sit there and fantasize about Nazis, and completely ignore the story being told in the setting

>tfw hitler is actually one of the good guys in this show

Hitler died in Argentina

>>83840296
Bunch of Jews left Germany too. Holocaust status: Disproven.

>>83840314
still leaves afrika and other places, the loss of that much sentient life is just objectively sad.
i guess the book makes the point better about how the nazi gov is softening up, but no society that goes against the intrests of the individual can ever be permanent or stable

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*blocks Hitler path*

>>83840407
Nothing is permanent or stable, dimwit

>>83840356
no he didn't. he's still alive in a robot body, living in his isecret nazi base in the antarctic.

>>83839197
>it's a shiny coat of paint covering an ugly paranoid society
Not really. Obedience and strong moral values are above all else besides country. Degeneracy is punished harshly.

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>>83840356

Delete this

>>83840458
Must be lonely up there. I'm gonna try and send him a fruit basket or something.

>>83840341
his portrayal was very interesting. he was a haunted man who only wanted peace after all the horrible shit he was responsible for

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>>83840413
*becomes the country that upholds Hitler's ideas into the 21st century*

>>83840443
well, less stable. society is just complex system, and a society that goes against natural human drives can be in an unstable equilibrium at best, while one that is individualistic can be in a stable equilibrium. the kick the system needs to destabilize is just much bigger. thats what i meant

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Master race huh?
Really makes you think

>>83840538
Again, a contiguous Chinese state has existed for the better part of 4,000 years and at no point has actually had liberty or individualism

>>83840501
he hops in his nazi ufo and flies to mars a couple times a month to hang out with his martian allies... and he paints a lot.

>>83840341
>in the show
He was always one of the good guys

>>83840538
>lifetime of "freedomloving democracies" is around 80 years at most with tons of democracies drifting into dictatorships
>more stable than anything

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>>83840594
that sounds nice

>>83840538
You confuse ideology with socio economic factors.
Only reason you can be that individualistic is because of the extreme welfare states you find everywhere in the west now.
Once the money runs dry it will be over with stability and individualistm

>>83838486
it's subtle about it so it flies over most people's heads and they think it's a pro-nazi thing

>>83840590
it only needs to align with the intrests of the individual. that is not necessarily individualism. I'd argue that the chinese goverment is actually decent at making people be well off, but even then, it has to actively supress opposition. it takes constant work to preserve the order, as opposed to a state like kanada for example , where the order is not challenged and thus does not need constant maintainance. also the chinese state is anything but continous and its a meme spread by the current chinese gov.

>>83840760
Again, the constant maintainance is high welfare.

How will Obergruppenfuhrer Smith and his qt wife react to their son being voluntarily euthanized? How will the boy's cunt sisters react?
Do the Smiths know that Julia tried to help him?
Will they help her if they know?

>>83840683
that will happen the moment people care more about being safe than being happy. or being not hungry for that matter.
you are right, economy produces ideology, but ideology also produces economy, there is still a natural drift towards individualism
hungry people will naturally drift towards a system that keeps them fed, then safe, then free, then (no idea has not happened yet on a large scale)

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>>83839380
hmm, really make me think

>>83840828
it's going to wreck Smith. i wouldn't be surprised if it turns him against the nazis

>>83840828
the son is a non-issue he turned himself in and didn't talk so its done, Smith and wife will be broke up about it but the boy did the right thing, they might talk about it in bed but for all intents and purposes its not a problem, the kid did good

>>83840798
it is a stabilizing factor as in its making people more happy/well off, unlike the chinese approach of silencing people who are publicly unhappy. saying welfare is maintainance for a wealthy society is like saying having enough food is maintainance for an agricultural state, it still allows progession into diffrent societies unlike pruning

>>83840935
>now ask yourself who controls my mind
this is really sad, you do the answer is you, holy shit whoever made this is a dumb fuck

>>83840935
The claim at the bottom is asinine because the oil reserves in the Golan Heights are one or two million barrels, at most whereas Russia's proven reserves are somewhere north of 120 Billion barrels

>>83841012
>The Chosen snip off your foreskin literally as soon as you're born, to sell in wrinkle cream
>The Chosen write the history books
>The Chosen produce all movies and television
>The Chosen bombard you with advertisements constantly
>You work for a company owned by one of The Chosen
>Your tax money goes toward The Chosen's own nation
>But only you control your own life and thoughts
Huh. Made me think.

>>83841369
>being an americuck

>>83840657
NAZI KINO

>>83841418
Tell me about it.

>>83840860
You got it right dude, being free is literally the last step in the ladder of needs, and contributes to nothing at all in terms of stability etc.

>>83841369
>snip of foreskin
lol, I feel for you
>write history books
not the ones I read
>make movies and tv
yep no shit how does this 'control my mind?'
>bombard ads etc
no don't watch tv
>you work for
no I don't
>your tax money
no it doesn't

huh, really made me lol, you sound like a cuck

>>83839380
>intelligence is chiefly influenced by SES
lol, not in the first world

John Smith's wife has a surprisingly nice body. That ass. Chelah Horsdal is the actress's name.

>>83841463
Clearly I no longer adhere to that stuff since I'm posting about it here, retard. I'm talking about what you're exposed to from birth before you even have a developed mind, and the bustling masses of retarded goyim under the spell. If they've never been exposed to an objective view of the situation, how do they have control over their own minds? They don't and can't. The Chosen have us on lockdown. A couple neckbeards on 4chan isn't changing anything.

>>83841463
>NEET and proud lmao

>>83841585
>the chosen have us on lockdown
yea ok, no really you sound like a total cuck, its like you just found out that jews control media

>>83841442
i said what comes after wealthy and free has not happened yet so all i can do id guess

>>83841612
better then being paranoid and cucked af, lmao

>>83841636
Whatever you want to believe.

>>83841659
my money is on entertainment

>>83840311
They must have been dropping a secret redpill.

>>83841369
> Anon 1: Jews control your mind by writing history books
> Anon 2: Nuh-uh! I only read history books written by non-jews

does anti-semitism make everyone go full retard??

>>83841670
thanks buddy, i'll do that

What will season 3 be about? The japanese-german conflict was averted so I dunno what they'd do now unless they do more SciFi shit

>>83841789
no simplistic basic childish shit tends to annoy people though, can't imagine why

>>83841818
the whole mediterranean dam thing is in full swing, i'm betting italy will come in on the 'good guys' side, since they are getting royally fucked in the deal, also rommel

gee god forbids you ever dare portraying nazis as bad people

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>>83841463
>don't watch tv
>is on /tv/
me too

>>83840318
This is the main reason I didn't bother with the show. It just sounds fucking bizarre.

Wouldn't it have made more sense for the Axis powers to win and then puppet the nations around them? As in, install fascist governments in the UK and US, like they did with Vichy France?

Or what if the Business Plot actually succeeded, the US turned fascist of its own accord and then fought their former colonial overlords?

Japan didn't even have plans to invade Australia, let alone the US. It seems like a very hamfisted fantasy.

>>83839783
You said some big words so he got confused and defensive.

>>83841911
I don't kid, I only watch what I want, this nonsense of scrolling through channels is not helping you at all, only watch what you want to their is no excuse anymore

>>83838486
I liked it. The anti-nazi propaganda is considerably muted all things considered. There are some pretty heroic Nazi characters, like Thomas.

>>83841928
nazi's created the bomb first, it all went different from their

>>83841369
> The chosen make me slap myself with my own hand and then go "stop hitting yourself. why you hitting yourself?"

>>83840140
>her son
kek

>>83841998
>the chosen gave me a rash today, it was very uncomfortable, fucking jews

>>83840133
>That pre 1914 french line
Try again

>>83840507
Oh yes, poor Hitler and all that pesky genocide. Abloo abloo! He has trouble sleeping!

I'm not watching this show, but does it actually address the reasons Germany would want to go to war against Japan? They both had very common ideals by WWII, Hitler was a massive weeb and had his share of admirers in Japan as well. I can't think of any way they'd go to war against each other.

>>83841979
I'm not sure how the A-bomb would help with invading the US and defeating the combined British and American navies, but okay.

>>83841998
Heh

"The Jew cries out in pain as he strikes you" is actually a quote from Mein Kampf

>>83842078
they bombed DC, US surrendered

>>83841818
Probably look into more of the tapes. At the end of season 2 you see John Smith going into Hitler's bunker full of them.

>>83842075
>does it actually address the reasons Germany would want to go to war against Japan?
After the defeat of the Allies, they're the world's largest economic and military power and the world's second largest economic and military power.

When have the guys occupying those two spaces in the world EVER been friends?

>>83842075
yes thats the entire plot of both season 1 and 2

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it's great but it makes you realize the bad guys won in real life

>>83842124
It's basically that the Germans largely think they were to generous giving Japan land after the war, while Hitler still being alive is the biggest thing preventing war with Japan. I'm assuming anyway, I stopped watching halfway though the second season because it was boring as fuck

>>83841789
Yes. Look at /pol/ on any given day.

Sad thing is, this show does have some nuance and good storytelling but it will never be seriously discussed here.

>>83842078
Yes, I wonder how wiping out a country's entire central government and command structure would help in defeating it.

>>83840508
*gets his views on foreign governments from cantonese silk sewing board*

>>83839772
i can hear the jiggling sound of this fat blob as he gets mad

Smith is a double traitor and his whole family should be gassed

>>83842078
In a hypothetical scenario where the Axis wins I'd assume Japan would be the ones keeping the US and UK navies in check, as it was a lot stronger than the German one.

>>83840508
it's so painful how little Americans know about Russia

>>83842075
>I'm not watching this show
Why? It would answer your questions. Lazy faggot.

>>83842259
Even his qt wife?
http://ancensored.com/nude-appearance/Masters-of-Horror/Chelah-Horsdal/

>>83842078
Apart from what
>>83842115
>>83842212
said there's also that we dont really know abything about the war. It could have went completely different from how it was in real life. It doesn't have to be close to our history but the nazis invented the bomb first

>>83842278
There literally is no scenario in our reality, where the Axis powers secure a long-term victory. Nazi Germany straight up ignored economic issues before and during the war and Japan was spent almost immediately after dealing with the Pacific theater.

>>83838501
with some exagerations, i agree

>>83838486

>just some anti-nazi propaganda

That's some top tier retardation op, congrats.

>>83842369
>>83842333
>>83842278
There's no true "occupation" in the Eastern US - notice how most of the American Nazis are just that, American. There's only occasional German officers and they're usually just visiting.

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>>83839380
intelligence is connected to socio economic status you say?

So why are rich blacks dumber than poor whites?

>>83841928
>>83841928

>all those shitposters who didn't read the book nor watch the series

Nazi Germany and Japan attack and invade USA because a failed D - Day invasion and stupid attacks to both of them after 1945. One of the differences between that universe and ours is that Roosevelt got assassinated back in 1930, the new deal was never implemented, the depression lasted longer, etc, and when they tried to do anything regarding the war, failed.

>b-b-but the Nazis would have never split USA like that with the Nips

You mean, like they planned to to with the world?

>Japan didn't even have plans to invade Australia, let alone the US.

LeL, they planned it since always

"Australia and New Zealand were designated as future Japanese territories, although Hitler lamented his belief that the white race would disappear from those regions.[55] He nevertheless made it clear to his officials that "the descendants of the convicts in Australia" were not Germany's concern and that their lands would be colonized by Japanese settlers in the immediate future, an opinion also shared by Joseph Goebbels, who expressed his conviction in his diary that the Japanese had always desired "the fifth continent" for emigration purposes"

http://www.angelfire.com/planet/panca/nazi_plans_australia.htm

>>83839565
>It's like a retelling of the Cold War where Germany has drifted into America's place and Japan into the USSR's, which means the Nazis are the de facto "good guys" to Western viewers.

Its literally the opposite. The Nazis are the USSR and a hellhole everybody hates and the Japanese are the USA.

Is the show worth watching if I already read the book? How much does it diverge from source material?

>>83842369
Of course there's no deying that this series scenario is completely unrealistic, the Us' industrial output at the time would've allowed them to take on both Japan and Germany singlehandedly three times over, but you still have to find a logic in the chain of events. Germany isn't gonna just send the Bismarck out alone to conquer the entire East Coast.

>>83842430
>The Nazis are the USSR and a hellhole everybody hates and the Japanese are the USA.
Wow, you're a weeaboo asshole

Why is the book so shit and the show so based? Usually it's the other way around for adapations.

>>83842115
They bombed DC, killed all the political and military leaders (most of them anyway), destroying the organization of the country, there was no one to surrender which led to some years of gorilla fighting against the remaining USA forces.

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>>83840341
>YNW chill in Hitlers comfy castle theater and watch kino with him

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>>83838486
>anti-nazi propaganda

JUST

>>83842417
Must be skin tone and phrenology then! You cracked the case! You better start organizing a TED talk!

>>83840935
>Why do all of these Jewish people stick together and hire within their in-group preference?
Your retarded ancestors didn't let them assimilate 100 years ago, now you are complaining about why they don't assimilate. It's a self fulfilling prophecy. Enjoy your Jewish overlords.

>>83842469
The show is much better than the book. It diverges after season 1 iirc.

>>83841418
>being a europoor

>the man in the high castle wasn't Hitler
>despite living in a castle on a mountain
I wasn't expecting that twist to happen

>tfw we actually live in a bizarro-reality and the series shows us how the real world is

>>83842511
>Must be skin tone and phrenology then
It must be that certain DNA markers that cause poor abstract thinking and forward planning skills along with a low violence threshold are as endemic among sub-Saharan Africans as sickle cell anemia genes.

>>83842516
But they've done this in virtually every society they've ever inhabited for all of history, not just mine

>>83842430
>Its literally the opposite. The Nazis are the USSR and a hellhole everybody hates and the Japanese are the USA.
I got the impression that is was like the Cold War, but with two USSRs. Both Germany and Japan are expansionist powers, and they both had plans to invade the other and establish a global empire through conquest.

>>83842516

>100

Heh. Add a zero and then triple it.

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>>83839465
Hey man, where in this picture do you see the stereotypical fat white man?

>>83842589
Not really, far more complicated than that but you are probably so warped with your pseudo-intellectual /pol/ autism that I can't reason with you anyway.

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>just some anti-nazi propaganda
thanks OP I needed a good laugh this morning

>>83842589
>/pol/ doubles down on this
>in the age of modern genetics and the internet
See, I cpuld excuse you if you lived in a remote trailer out in Mississippi or something in 1980, but you have a computer now.

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>>83842649
>far more complicated than that
The presence of the MAOA gene correlates with the murder rate per capita almost exactly, in a way that income or education never have.

>>83842430
>You mean, like they planned to to with the world?

Where did you get that from?
Even the biggest and most ridiculous Nazi-wank plans only involve Europe up to the Ural mountains.

I,like the show for entertainment but the setup is straight up ASB with not the slightest root in reality.

>>83842679
What the fuck, you're not even making counterpoints you're just going "sweetie ur dumb"

>>83842480
>le I didn't read shit

Japan is the "friendly" world Empire, no real racism, people of all races and nations under a same flag, etc. Yes, shitty for most non Japanese but better than the alternative.

Nazi Germany is hell on earth, non Germans are not even second class citizens, not even other Whites, they genocided the whole of Africa and in such a cruel and disgusting way that its taboo to even talk about it between Nazis, they betrayed all of their war allies, mainly Italy, they leave on a constant fear of "attacks by subhumans". Everybody is monitored 24/7, think 1984.

There is currently a fight between the old Nazis and the new Ones, the old ones want total war against Japan, the new ones don't want war and are not really racist or anything like that (there are no more subhumans to use as examples) and are actually disgusted by the Nazi atrocities. The New Nazis gave the Japanese the plans for the a - bomb so they could defend themselves. After Hitler dies the New Nazis will fight the Old ones for control.

>>83842605
Yes, both are shit, but the Nazis are like an automated empire where everybody thinks everything its shit and the only way it holds itself is by force, in the book they say how they managed to colonize Mars but how they failed to make people even want to live on Earth. The Japs are more "neutral" and basically deal with most people. Both are having a cold war regarding Latin America and the Caribbean, which is independent and full of Weeaboos and Naziboos.

>>83842682
>usual tactic of not sourcing his tables
>doesn't know what a correlation even is
>thinks genes literally correlate to murder rates
>this is how he thinks genes works

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>>83842711

>>83842704
Because it's fairly dumb when modern genetics disagrees with you almost completely.

>>83842727
MAOA has a prevalence in ~6% of the black population and ~1% of the white population.

Lo and behold, blacks commit about six times as many murders in every income and education bracket as their white peers

>>83842061
i'm not sympathizing with the guy, it's just an observation. sometimes people who do terrible things have regrets. it's kind of surprising how human they portrayed him. settle down.

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>>83842727
>>83842771
>trust me, I know genetics better than you
Do you also know genetics better than the guy who discovered DNA?

>>83842699
>what is the Nazi New Order?
>what is the Silent Pact between the USSR and the Nazis?
>what is the autistic repartitions of the world between Japan, Italy and Germany after during the Iron Pact?

You can unironically find a lot about the plans many of the Nazis and the Japs had for the whole world, from simple opinions to full out plans.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Order_(Nazism)

>>83842779
>literally what a false correlation looks like
How many of them are right handed? Wtf more right handed people commit more crime! Must be a genetic connection. Luckily I am a self-appointed geneticist and I sometimes post on an image board, and I also happen to hate right handed people.

>>83842824
>scientists can't be racists
So, you automatically laud him even if the rest of the genetic science community calls him retarded?

>>83842846
>right handed people commit more crime
Left handed people commit more crime, and this also has a genetic background

http://www.nature.com/news/2004/041206/full/news041206-6.html

>>83840508
>be about as right wing as Charles de Gaulle
>retards call you Hitler

>>83842878
So let's round up all left handed people then!

>>83842874
>scientists can be racists but they can't have liberal bias
uh, no sweetie.

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>>83840556
they weren't all bad

>>83842078
in the show, FDR gets assassinated so the US stays isolationist and never gets involved in the war. the military build up never happened, making it ripe for invasion after the axis wins

>>83842874
You know what?

You've opened my mind.

Go ahead and give me your evidence that blacks are actually intellectually equal to whites. I'll wait.

>>83842878
Ah yes, nature.com

>>83842924
Evidence: obama

>>83841463
Your pretty badass, aren't you?

>>83842932
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1634940/

>>83839999
HAHAHAHAHA QUADS CONFIRM D12 THE GOAT RAP GROUP
>MY SALSA
MY SIDES

>>83842955
An anecdote is not evidence. If you could find a population of several million African American Harvard Law School graduates who became Senators, this would be noteworthy.

>>83842924
>Go ahead and give me your evidence that blacks are actually intellectually equal to whites.
Don't beg the question into that, nobody is saying IQ rates are 100 percent equal across demographics. What I am saying, is that you are extrapolating your own interpretations that nobody is actually making with the data. You faggots do this a lot.

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The first season of the show is rather dull but the second season is much better. The supporting cast is very entertaining and often better then the main cast. I'd recommend the show to anyone with an interest in the 60's, alternate history and dimension travelling.

>>83842921
Yes, but they do try and invade Europe and attack Japan when is already too late, and like you said, with a very small and unprepared military. That's the excuse the Japanese and Germans used to invade USA, and of course, without the USA sanctions, embargo and pressure, the Nazis never attacked the USSR until they had finished with Europe, Japan never attacked Pearl Harbor nor had resources shortages, etc.

What I don't get is why the USA attacked the Nazis and Japan, I mean, sure, the book says it was to help the Brits, but it was already way too late nor they had an able military force.

>>83842727
>usual tactic of not sourcing his tables
Why do people who make this complaint never post better sourced tables that disproves what they think is wrong?

>>83842913
>not a single anon said someone can't have a bias politically
>this somehow relates to being full blown racist
Heaven forbid someone have a liberal bias but it's cool if he hates nuggets irrationally.

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>>83843025
>pic
W-what's going on there?

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>>83843024
>nobody is saying IQ rates are 100 percent equal across demographics

>>83838486
Completely unrealistic.

US vs Germany cold war series when?

>>83843075
>amerisharts never heard of breast inspection day

>>83843039
Because we both know the tables either have no source, are invented by some actual racist shut in, or don't exist.

I'm not going to counter a claim you haven't even proven, that's not how a discussion works kiddo. We don't prove negatives in big boy world.

>>83842955
He is a gay satanist though

>>83842973
This is actually one of the most autistic things I have ever read.

>>83843120
>we don't prove negatives
Black equality isn't a negative, it's an assertion that has never been proven.

>>83843098
I meant "nobody" as in here or in this thread you fucking idiot.

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>>83843156
>>83843183
You motherfuckers have nothing to say whatsoever. It's like talking to one of these things.

>>83843162
>>>/pol/
Proving a negative means proving a statement that is unsubstantiated, wrong.

>>83842487
all PKD books are terrible, but they have good adaptations.

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>>83843098
>Scientific American
>should research be banned?

>>83843206
If you really believe there is a causal factor between which hand is your dominant one and actual crime, you are next gen autistic.

>>83843222
"Blacks and whites are equal and should live together in society" is an unsubstantiated statement

>>83843255
Who doesn't know shit about genetics now?

>>83838501
Not very realistic though.
>Hitler letting Japanese control territory with White people in it
>the Mediterranean is drained
>the maps only show the Japs and Nazis and don't show the Italian or Spaniard Fascist Empires

>>83842973
>Here, we show that the frequency of left-handers is strongly and positively correlated with the rate of homicides across traditional societies. It ranges from 3% in the most pacifistic societies, to 27% in the most violent and warlike.

>This finding is consistent with a frequency-dependent selection mechanism maintaining left-handedness in these societies.

What sort of magic is at their disposal, to make such massive logical leaps and bounds?? This study seems fishy as fuck...

>>83843272
>"Blacks and whites are equal and should live together in society" is an unsubstantiated statement
Are you just like, talking to yourself now? You aren't even following or making any sense. Did you forget your statements I am contesting?
>it's unsubstantiated that multiple races should coexist in a society
Do you not know,m what unsubstantiated means?

>>83843272
>Who doesn't know shit about genetics now?
I don't think you even read the study.

>>83843392
Well I can't say I'm asserting white supremacy, since Asians and Jews have similar positive traits, but I am certainly asserting inferiority of certain other races.

>>83843424
Again, you were extrapolating conclusions from info (you never sourced) based on your own interpretations of data, and not on the data itself. I don't know why I even bother with explaining statistics.

>>83843424
>jews
>>>/reddit/
Jews are genetically inferior

>>83843484
You're not bothering to explain anything, you're just screeching "ur rong" over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over

>>83843518
I want you to source your tables and reevaluate your statements to fit the data your present and not to autistically infer whatever you want from them. I know that's gonna be too hard and you won't really respond to it, so you can leave at any time.

>>83843025
big titty nazi has eyebrows like the khaleesi

joe is hitlers son, screencap this

>>83843512
Tell that to the Arabs they btfo constantly

If they would ALL fuck off to Israel, we'd be golden.

>>83843579
Does it ever get exhausting boogeymaning the Jews? If I was going to call anything on here shill behavior, it's that.

Please tell me you get paid.

>>83838486
If anything, it makes the nazis look good

t. not even a neon-nazi

>>83843099
see >>83839478

>>83843621
>boogeymanning
I just said I was fine with Israel, wtf is your problem Schlomo

>>83843579
They only btfo the arabs because the help of america and yurop

>>83843255
left-handed people are crazy though

>>83843641
>If they would ALL fuck off to Israel, we'd be golden.
>get them out and we'd be golden
Just more bitching about Jews

>>83843674
Pretty sure that on average, they score higher on IQ tests.

>>83843564
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24326626
Blacks have a higher incidence of a genetic profile linked to violence

Blacks commit more violence

The gene is not exclusive to blacks, and whites that possess this gene are also prone to violence, but because blacks have the gene much more often, they commit much more violence as a general population

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>have commie gf
>tell her to watch Man in high castle together
>interject a little bit of "that looks nice" and "what a confy place" time to time
>she is slowly getting redpilled

I am become jew, washer of brains

>>83843569
Joe looks nothing like Hitler. If anything he'd be Smith's son.

>>83842955
>remember that one incredibly high functioning black man? he represents the potential of every negro!

>>83843748
Hes hitler's wife's son

>>83843705
So again, you keep making a reach with a false correlation that the data isn't saying...but you are. Your argument is further weakened by the fact that this gene is not exclusive to "blacks".

So no, most of your statement is wrong. Saying "blacks have this nebulous gene more, therefore they commit more crime", as if a single fucking gene is responsible for crime rates or criminality, is intellectually dishonest and remains a massive reach.

Hope that clears it up for you so you don't keep using autistic arguments.

>>83843569
joe used to be american military. joe started watching the films in hitler's room. joe is going to see what could have been. nazi policy brainwashed, and eventually killed joe's son. an angry enlightened joe is not going to be good for the nazis.

>>83843836
that's john smith

>>83839419
It's 2-3 hours max

>>83840935
cinema jobs were seen as shit by people way back before it was a big thing, so the ancestors of Jews took them as a way to get by. When cinema exploded in America, Jews were elevated to positions of power due to the wealth they amassed. Plus is it that surprising to think that a group of immigrants would stick together over the years? Most immigrants nowadays do the same thing. Look at historically owned Chinese businesses.

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>>83843833
>a single fucking gene is responsible for crime rates or criminality
No, but a "single fucking gene" will give the person possessing it a much stronger psychological urge to do shit like this.

I hope you have a kid with Tay-Sachs because genetics is just a meme

>>83843836
i was thinking of john. oops. joe will join him though

>>83843900
Complex issues of criminality are not causally related to one singular gene, no matter how many webms you show me to make me hate blacks. Crime is a complex relationship between a variety of factors, stressors and causes. That's just not how it works, bud.

>>83843875
got the names mixed. been awhile since i watched. joe was pretty disgusted with the nazis. they're going to do some damage in season 3

>>83843900
>No, but a "single fucking gene" will give the person possessing it a much stronger psychological urge to do shit like this.
...and the gene alone, is not exclusive to blacks.

>>83844015
Being of African descent is a major factor because people of any other race who suffer from poverty, inequality or systemic oppression also suffer an increase in criminality, but a much less severe one.

Being black is a stronger correlation to being a violent criminal than being poor or uneducated is.

>>83844064
>and the gene alone, is not exclusive to blacks
It's overwhelmingly prevalent in blacks. I bet you also argue "AIDS isn't a gay disease" when 50% of all cases are transmitted through male/male intercourse, and the lion's share of the remainder is female/male intercourse or intravenous drug use alongside individuals who were initially infected by male/male intercourse.

>>83844066
>Being black is a stronger correlation to being a violent criminal than being poor or uneducated is
That's just brainwashed and literally unsubstantiated /pol/ talk.

>>83844095
>I bet you also argue "AIDS isn't a gay disease"
Because it isn't. Africa is literally plagued with it.

>>83842649
>I'm right but I don't need to prove it

>>83844096
The highest income bracket of blacks still commits more murders and has lower standardized test results than the poorest income bracket of whites, in spite of having much greater educational, housing, employment and even nutritional resources due to their finances.

>>83844134
The worst part about this fucker is I'm not stuck up my own ass, I'd love to be proven wrong, I'd love to see contradictory statistics. No one ever supplies them to me, they just go "fuck off ur dumb"

>>83844095
>It's overwhelmingly prevalent in blacks
Not really what your study said and even if that were 100 percent true, you'd then have tp DIRECTLY prove that this one gene is responsible for crime. Which your study isn't even remotely saying. There being slight possible patterns of violence, doesn't then mean they are criminals.

>>83842955
i hope this is b8. if not this is literally one of the most pathetic things i have ever seen

>>83842679
See
>>83844134

>>83844148
>The highest income bracket of blacks still commits more murders and has lower standardized test results than the poorest income bracket of whites
This meme again? I've never seen this proven. I only see this one image macro about it and nobody can tell me where it's from.

>>83842843
From your own source:

>The actual physical conquest of the United States was unlikely, however,[101] and the future disposition of American territories remained cloudy in Hitler's mind.

In the german version of that article there is no single mention of the US or America. The english version mentions some early and very vague ideas about England joining the axis and fighting America.
This is from the early days of the Nazis and does not even come close to resembling a plan.

>>83844096
It's really not. There is a direct correlation between black communities and crime-rate and that the more black an area becomes, the more crime it has.

>>83844172
I don't think this is the first time someone has attempted to prove you wrong. It is very likely that you just ignore them since I'm willing to bet money that you don't like blacks to begin with...

>>83844240
The typical example used is Prince George's County, Maryland, where the community is majority black and has a median household income of $71,000 per capita while still having a murder rate higher than counties in Appalachia with median household incomes below $20,000 and white majorities

>>83842416

Pretty standard subjugation shit. A few will quickly turn on their previous leaders to safety under the conqueror, quietly hating but still following orders until (or if) they get a chance fight. If anything we needed to see more US nazi's, we got the 'youth are converted easy' and sycophants in the rich/powerful, but it needed more average joe being truly converted, most hated the germans.

>>83844270
Yes nobody is saying black commuties (which are usually poor) have high crime rates. That's true of poverty across the board.

>>83844341
>which are usually poor
Except wealthy black communities do exist, and also have high crime rates

>>83844309
Income doesn't work as a measure, because I'm sure that Maryland has a higher tax rate than Appalachian counties.
It's what's left after taxes you should look at.

I forget, does Joe stay with his aryan waifu? Did she fuck around with someone else at that one party or is she with him?

>>83844373
>high taxes cause increased crime rates
THE REPUBLICANS WERE RIGHT ALL ALONG

>>83844309
>a small sample size is indicative of national trends
So, a few things:
1. You haven't sourced this data.
2. This has been a /pol/ talking point for a while but it can only ever be found on a blog that is convenietly written by an ethno-nationalist.
3. That would only apply to immediate or small samples and if the study didn't factor in external variables, then the data may be a tad skewed, as is common with most of these race-based studies.

You act like this is my first rodeo with these points.

>>83844371
You haven't proved this at all, kiddo...just to remind you.

>>83844431
>a small sample size
It's a sample of 583,080 black people living in a county that's much wealthier than the national average

>>83840393
So you agree that Rhodesia prosecution is a myth then?
you fucking pleb youll deny 6 milliion jews dying because youre redpilled but cry about a buncha white people who went out of their way to live in and fuck with Africa(ns) as their overlords on their own continent and got kicked out for it

>>83844309
Also this anon was right: >>83844373

>>83844199
Its a good argument though

>>83844489
Huh, maybe the Jews should have stayed out of Europe then?

And the Africans, too?

You really make me think

>>83844471
That's not a large size compared to national averages or to (what you want to do) attribute as a trend for an ENTIRE race.

Still waiting on a source though.

>>83844456
>>83844490
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/homicides-remain-steady-in-the-washington-region/2016/12/31/f30b7db4-cc51-11e6-a747-d03044780a02_story.html

The county's murder rate is just over 10 per 100,000, well over twice the national average

>>83844520
You know I'd love to see you link me to a statistic on anything. At all. Provide me a source to something nice about black people.

>>83838486
>>83838501
it's incredibly dull which is really saying something with the premise it was given

the most kino thing about it is the opening, a perversion of a song from The Sound of Music

>>83843276
>the Mediterranean is drained
Was actually proposed IRL
>Modern Italians/Spanish
>Empire
Leave that crackpipe alone for five minutes

>>83844535
>Criminologists with the Brennan Center for Justice say while many major cities are again seeing a rise in killings, it’s too soon to call it a national crime wave. They also add that overall crime is level, holding at historic lows.

>D.C. police say crime is down in most categories. Burglaries are down 16 percent, and robberies and incidents of stolen vehicles are down 12 percent. Overall crime in Prince George’s County is down about 9.5 percent

>Most of the homicides in Prince George’s from 2016 stem from domestic violence, drug cases or disputes between people who knew each other, Police Chief Hank Stawinski III said.

So again, this is not even in the realm of your own statements and race isn't even brought up, as most of the noted crimes mentioned are from whites. None of this addresses anything you said here: >>83844309

It's not even the same study. Are you retarded? Why do you keep trying here? You don't even source data that helps you. .

>>83843712
I'm actually planning to do this with my wife too.

>>83844575
>prove a negative
I just want you to admit to me that you hate blacks.

>>83844692
>not even in the realm of your own statements and race isn't even brought up, as most of the noted crimes mentioned are from whites
It's a majority black community.

Are you saying the white residents are a problem minority there in St. George's County? Would you care to provide sources?

>>83844713
Why? Are you black?

>There are people in this thread who unironically think the US is a better place in the show than it was in reality.

/pol/ get out

>>83844759
>I enjoy living in a 60% white country that will become a 35% white country within my lifetime
How's your wife's son doing?

>>83844718
I think you are legitimately autistic, I am asking a source for this: >>83844309

Source that data, this article literally doesn't help your argument. You realize that, right? This honestly is getting somewhat pathetic.

I think you are just regurgitating copy-pastes your heard and never expected to actually source the info, but now you knlw it's retarded, so you went and spent a few minutes finding tangential articles.

>>83844783
Normal people don't actually sperg out about how many whites there are or not.

>>83844748
No, I just want you to be honest and tell me where all of this comes from. Since I can't imagine anyone who tolerates blacks to be this invested in proving they are genetically defective monsters.

>>83844783
I could care less about all the Mexicans and Blacks; at least I have habeas corpus.

>>83844799
I'm providing you with sources and you're rejecting them. The murder rate in Prince George's County is 10 per 100,000, the national murder rate is 4.88 per 100,000. Prince George's County is the wealthiest community with a black majority in the US.

Stop ignoring reality.

>>83844883
Which is why you spent the last hour impotently white knighting for blacks and proving nothing

>>83843900
>yeah I'm just gonna be a good little cuck and yawn and pretend to not mind these black gentl-OUUCH!!

>>83844916
>I'm providing you with sources and you're rejecting them
No, you aren't. Source this please: >>83844309 as your Washington Post article had very little to do with that.

I am being exceptionally patient with you and you just make ridiculous statements and source shit that has virtually nothing to do with the argument.

>>83844951
>asking for facts and going information logically is white knighting
You are a special kind of stupid, you have been reluctant to the point of autistic to back up the majority of your statements.

>>83844916
>The murder rate in Prince George's County is 10 per 100,000.
Literally where are you getting this? You sound like a bot.
>Prince George's County is the wealthiest community with a black majority in the US.
But WHERE are you getting this information?? And how would that correlate to it being a race issue? Then a "single gene" one?

>>83840311
Really made me think

>>83840341
Finally a realistic depiction.

>>83845119
>>83845049


Wow, you're incapable of simple arithmetic? You have the number of murders and the population in front of you, and the demographic and income data is a Wikipedia/US Census search away.

>>83845252
>like pshhh, I don't have to like, source it for you just you know...google search it duh!
One last time, I want you to source the following posts:
>>83844916
>>83844471
>>83844309
1.source info about the wealthiest black communities you mention.
2.explain how these samples work into large enough averages to denote a correlative pattern.
3. Explain how that pattern can be applied to a specific race.
4. Then explain how this racial pattern is directly influenced by a singular gene.

Your Washington Post article literally says nothing on anything you claim.

Look, I get it. You don't have these sources. You can just not respond if you want. That usually happens with /pol/ arguments anyway. It's not new.

>>83842679
>human populations couldn't possibly be subject to any degree of speciation

>>83845474
The median income is $71,000. The population is 64.5% black. There are 900,000 people there. There were 96 murders last year. You are illiterate.

>>83845668
>literally answers nothing
SOURCEEEEEEE

>>83845656
>he thinks whites and blacks are a different species.
>he doesn't know what speciation even is or how it works.
>he thinks there being different demographics of humans denotes speciation.
You kids spend far too much time getting "informed" from this website.

>>83845804
If you controlled for the general American population, a community that size should have seen 48 murders. If you controlled for the tremendous average income there, the murder rate should be below 20. Race is the deciding factor. Wealthy black people commit more murders than the general population.

>>83844379
no, he didn't and she didn't. he goes back to the US. i think she'll probably show up in season 3

>>83845863
I'm going to again, refer you to this post you stupid faggot:
>>83845474

Either sufficiently defend your arguments or simply fuck off already. You just keep saying shit

>>83845863
>Race is the deciding factor.
Funny how you didn't even remotely prove this. I mean, you people never do.

>>83845936
The crime numbers are available here

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/homicides-remain-steady-in-the-washington-region/2016/12/31/f30b7db4-cc51-11e6-a747-d03044780a02_story.html

The population and income numbers are available here

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_George%27s_County,_Maryland

A large community with a population that's both unusually wealthy and unusually black commits an inordinate number of murders. Hence, race is a better determinant factor for violence than income is.

>>83845962
You are incapable of communicating. You have never spoken to me once in this entire thread, just shrieked like an angry child.

>>83843098
>Horgan
He's such a cowardly cunt

>>83845994
>reposting the same article a second time
Third time is the charm, see: >>83845474

>>83846057
I provided you the sourced links. The sourced links establish that the community has a population of 900,000 people, a population with a high median income, a population that's overwhelmingly black and a population that commits murder at twice the national average.

In return, you've called me stupid.

You're done.

>>83845209
not how you're thinking. he views all these films showing him how the world could've been had the axis not won the war in this reality. the few times you see him, you get the impression that he's a man who regrets his actions, has become a recluse in an austrian castle, and is the only person keeping germany and japan from going to war. then people in his own party poison him and he dies.

>>83846110
>you're done
You have been btfo this entire thread my delusional /pol/ friend. And no, you haven't offered any sources that help your argument.

>>83843885
>Look at historically owned Chinese businesses
Chink don't put out memes subversive to their host societies

>>83846185
You have btfo nothing, you've said "you're wrong, you're dumb" over and over while I have provided you with extensive sourced articles, studies and statistics.

You're done.

>>83846110
>literally sourced nothing of value to prove this

>>83846203
Maybe we can do this a fourth time you assblasted retard, please see this: >>83845474

You are the one who has been done here, kid. You are just dodging until archive now.

>>83846219
Prince George's County has a population of 909,000 people. It is 64.5% black. The median income is $71,500.
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_George%27s_County,_Maryland

Prince George's County has a murder rate of twice the national average. Source:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/homicides-remain-steady-in-the-washington-region/2016/12/31/f30b7db4-cc51-11e6-a747-d03044780a02_story.html

These black people are much wealthier than the national average yet commit more murders.

>>83846261
I am dodging nothing. I am answering you, and you are insulting me. You have stated nothing, asserted nothing, merely denied and at one point screamed. Find me a poor white county in the US with a murder rate higher than 10 per 100,000. It doesn't exist.

>>83846203
>extensive
One article that had nothing to do with your sperg out about blacks. I can't imagine how gullible you must be if you think you have been "extensive".

>>83846301
Assertion: Wealthy blacks commit more murders than poor whites
Evidence: A large community of wealthy blacks with a tremendous murder rate
Counterargument: ur a fag

>>83846270
>the same two links
The Washington Post article, again, has nothing to do with your points.

You have to be autistic.

>>83846349
It provides the county murder rate. 96 murders in 2016 among a population of 900,000 means over 10 per 100,000. The national average is 4.88 per 100,000.

>>83846340
>Evidence: A large community of wealthy blacks with a tremendous murder rate
Still waiting on the proof, friendo...

>>83846385
The proof has been provided. You have the population, demographic, income and crime figures in front of you. You reject them.

>>83846375
See:
>>83845474

Sure is odd you can't answer.