This is it. The one question you LOTR fanboys will never be able

because tolkien is a hack and eagles are a lazy plot device

Tolkien considered the eagles as an explicit plot device and compared using them capriciously to subvert the arduous journey to using a helicopter to fly up Everest when the goal is to climb and conquer it, woop woop juggalo for life mmfwcl.

>>83803800
Because Big Ben would have saw them and summoned the dragon riders to attack. Sure they could have used the eagles later on during the battle to distract the eye, but they were close enough already.

>>83803800
The eagles would have been too easily tempted by the ring.

>>83803800
they would be shot down when they reached mordor, as they explicitly state in the book

>>83803800

Serpents would have stopped them

>>83803800
Eagles are cunts and won't do a job that's easier than picking up a couple of tiny hobbits.

>>83803800
The eagles are divine beings like Gandalf and aren't allowed to use their power to solve the major problems of mortals. They'll save them from wolves and lava, but destroying the One Ring is a trial meant for the ones who are set to inherit middle earth.

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>it's another "character A starts singing causing character B to cry while Aragorn undresses Frodo" episode

If the eagles would have helped then Gandalf would have suggested it you idiot.

>>83805364
Why didnt they use them to get them near mordor and then get down before entering?

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>>83803800
Does anyone have that lotr jpg like pic related?

>>83807315
It would be a shit story

>>83807315
They would have been way too exposed even then. Sauron's spies were everywhere.

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>>83803800
Why didn't they just throw the ring into the sea?

>>83807687
That wouldn't kill Sauron

>>83803800
Gandalf planned to take them to the Eagles but got fucked up in Moria. He tried to tell them.

>Fly you fools

>>83807733
Heh thanks

sauron would have seen it coming and at that point his forces weren't distracted/dead. eagles weren't all powerful beings. if he saw it coming he could have just sealed mount doom.

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>>83807862
>he saw it coming he could have just sealed mount doom.

tolkienfags really are dumb as shit

>>83803800
it's a fantasy world with magic bruh i aint gotta explain shit just turn your brain off lmao

>>83807907
He means block up the entrance or at least have it guarded.

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why the fuck didn't they take this path? makes way more sense.

>>83808026
but it doesn't

they could have just taken some boats down the brandywine and sailed all the way around to gondor

>>83808026
Sam and Frodo had no concept of where they were when the Fellowship split up and just did the best they could without the guidance of Gandalf or Aragorn.

>>83808064
Their initial goal was to get to rivendell though

>>83808064
Again though, the hobbits set out from the Shire without Gandalf so all they really had for direction was to make their way toward Rivendell.

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>>83807736
Why would they want to kill Sauron?
He only ever wanted to help the peaceful people of Rhûn and Haradrim to get some of the fertile land in the west.

The orcs we're just a tool for the greater good. Who is to say Middle-Earth wouldn't have its own Enlightenment and Industrialization when ruled by Sauron?

You, and the majority of the cast, doesn't even speak his language. Everything we know about his plans and motivations is through tales which are thousands of years old and because of translations from a select group of Elves.

Maybe Sauron had a very good Casus Belli to declare war on Gondor?

He sure seems to at least try to innovate and advance civilization instead of the cuck monarchist in Minas Tirith and Rohan who try to keep the population stupid and under their thumb by providing "protection" to them.

>>83803800
>lotro
>one of the NPC is an obvious homage to Tolkien
>one of his dialogues is him deciding that eagle's would be ending the story too soon
Eagles were a mistake

>>83803800
>Tolkien considered the eagles as an explicit plot device and compared using them capriciously to subvert the arduous journey to using a helicopter to fly up Everest when the goal is to climb and conquer it, woop woop juggalo for life mmfwcl.
That's fine and all, but if the only hope of saving the world was at the top of Mount Everest the world leaders would probably opt to use a helicopter.

>>83808112
well then they could take the goddamn river near rivendell

>>83808133
they were supposed to meet him in bree

Gandalf the Gray has no powers over them, only when he became the White he gained the control of eagles, but Frodo was missing

>>83808198
Not if they wanted to get there in absolute secrecy

>>83806855
This is the right answer. They're not really eagles. They're a different kind of etheral being and they're completely impartial to the plight of men. They have their own agenda and only get involved when they feel like it. A bit like the mods on here.

>>83808160
If Sauron was so benevolent, why was his own base of operations a desolate wasteland?

>>83808226
so impartial that they fucking help at the black gate battle

>>83808204
Except that river is flowing the wrong way

>>83808026
anyone got the edit with the wormhole? always makes me laugh

>>83808258
this is quite possibly the dumbest thing ive ever read on /tv/. do you think you can only travel down a river one way?

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>>83808026
>not just sneaking through the ass-end of nowhere

>>83808223
They could at least use the Eagles to get to a base camp

>>83808204
No they weren't. Gandalf was supposed to come back to the Shire but they couldn't delay any longer so they went off without him. Bombadil was the one that directed them toward Bree.

>>83808286
In a canoe? Yes. Also Hobbits generally don't fuck with water unless absolutely necessary and none of them had the skill to traverse a river upstream

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>>83808253
Thats only the part around Mount Doom.
Mordor has plenty of fertile, green lands.

>believing Elvish propoganda

>>83808304
>going 2000 miles without being seen by a single animal or person

um no faggot.

>>83803800
Because the eagles would be shot down. How retarded is the internet?

>>83808258
>The ocean is draining into the mountains
sure, pal

>>83808344
uh, the fellowship traveled down the other river after lothlorien for quite a while.

get to rivendell
get some boats
get the other people to row them
get to gondor

>>83808346
Yes but I'm specifically talking about Barad-Dur and the immediate area surrounding it. If Sauron was a kind ruler, wouldn't he spruce things up a bit around the homestead?

>>83808369
I assumed he was referring to the Greyflood

>>83808397
If you recall they were beset by orcs while going down the river. It was not a safe path. They were sitting ducks.

>>83808397
They didn't want to get to Gondor

>>83803800

why didn't they just get the eagles to file their taxes

>>83808349
did you miss there part where I said 'sneaking'?

>>83808469
Boromir wanted to. Sort of.

>>83808403
Its where the breeding pits are and the majority of his army is stationed.
If you keep 200.000 humans in the same place it would also go to shit.

Still didn't refute the point that the other 90% of Mordor isn't like that. We don't even know what possibly lies further east.

We as the viewer/reader simply lack the perspective to see all of Saurons motivations. We don't get all the facts is all I'm arguing.

>>83808469
gondor is right next to mordor, that's the point

>>83808441
that was after lothlorien. they were attacked by the nazgul before they reached rivendell, but it's a fucking magical elf river and they can't cross it

>>83808519
The route they planned on taking over emyn muil was quicker and far less conspicuous than going to Gondor.

>>83808519
Where'd you get that notion? They were in the process of crossing the river until Gandalf conjured up the flood that took them out.

who lived in isengard before saruman made a orc army

>>83808593
Saruman

>>83808256
I said they have their own agenda fagit. Sometimes they get involved, sometimes they don't. Google Manwé and the Valar because I can't be fucked trying to explain it to.

>>83807315
do you not remember the flock of spy crows that spotted the followship in like no time? even without saruman there would be just no way to just fly to mordor with the nazgal patrolling and sauron's eye constantly watching.

>>83808593
Isengard was a fortress/outpost built by the Numenoreans.

>>83808613
but its huge

>>83808686
Orthanc was probably the meeting spot for the White Council. Saruman most likely had plenty of visitors coming and going before he was corrupted.

>>83803800
the eagles are creatures of their own will they only helped when they wanted to.

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>Fellowships departs Rivendale on a squadron of eagles
>Eye of Sauron sees them coming from hundreds of miles away
>Dispatches squadron of Nazgul dinosaur things to intercept

While IL-2: Wings over Middle Earth sounds like it would be an awesome movie, it clearly isn't the best way to destroy the ring.

Why didn't the Fellowship just use magic to build a helicopter that flew them to Mount Doom

>>83808847
yea the eye is so amazing that it fucking sees frodo IN mordor WITH the ring and didn't do fuck all about it

>>83807736
>That wouldn't kill Sauron
why would destroying the ring kill sauron in the first place?

>>83808920
The eye was distracted by the army of middle earth. If Frodo had put on the ring that would have been the end of it. It's different in the air: there's no rocks to hide behind and Sam can't bail your ass out for the 1000th time.

why didn't Eru just reshape the world and start again?

>>83803800
Why didn't Sauron just kill himself?

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Why didn't they simply use boats to go downstream around Dunland and march alongside the western coast to reach the safe lands of Southern Gondor?

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>>83803800
I thought the Fellbeast creatures was one of the main reasons why they didn't fly

>>83809204
I assume that the ring's enchantments are only as powerful as the one who made it, i.e. Sauron.

So someone with more powerful magic than Sauron could destroy it outside of the conditions its innate enchantment requires, i.e. the fires of Mount Doom.

So why didn't they gather the wizards and get them to collectively use their power to destroy what was in the mystery box

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>>83809214
There's like... 7 of them.
Do they have a biological radar which can scan the thousands of square kilometers ranging borders of Mordor?

Most of them are searching for the ring in other areas.

Do they keep an eye on the Eagle's airbase at all time?

Can't the Eagles create a distraction with the other hobbits as bait to get Frodo safely to Mt Doom?

In ROTK one Eagle can easily tear apart a Fellbeast. How many Eagles are there even?

>>83807315
>They see eagles coming
>Something's up
>Station gazillion orcs literally at the entrance to Mount Doom, they seal it completely
>Nazguls can't beat the eagles in the air? Just land on the ground and let the archers take them down if they dare swoop attack.

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What happened to the two Blue Wizards?
http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Blue_Wizards

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>>83809494
>>Station gazillion orcs literally at the entrance to Mount Doom, they seal it completely

>Mount Doom is a volcano
>Eagles are flying

Can you spot the weakness in the orcs' strategy?

>>83809582
Mt. Doom didn't have a big conical opening on top. It only erupted when the Ring was destroyed.

>>83803875
Canon or not I'm gonna go with this.

Since we all know the Ring amplifies the power of whoever wears it since it makes Hobbits, the sneaky race, invisible, why didn't they just give the Ring to someone who could jump really really really far so he could just hop over the Black Gate into Mordor?

>>83809553
if my memory serves correctly they left and were never heard from again..

probably pulled a radagast and found someplace to chill, smoke, wander nature and become inspiration for the psycedellic posters in Spencers Gifts in malls everywhere

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>>83809684

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>>83809582
The entrance is slightly below the frame, supposedly the eagles manage to fly up there uninterrupted, they'd most likely be fried and feathers gone when they make it to the tip. Say they endure the high heat and literal fire right next to them, dropping the ring wouldn't work. The ring was forged inside the mountain, not on top of it, so it has be dropped into the bottom lava lake inside. I was saying that the orcs would fill the entrance below completely sealing it so no one would get through.

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>>83809613

Then how does Mount Doom light the sky of Mordor with a red glow?

>>83809582
eagles would probably suffocate within mordor and get turned into fried eaglet if they could get inside the mountain

>>83809826

But the lake of lava is accessible directly from the peak, as noted by the fact that it erupts from the top when the Ring is destroyed. The orcs couldn't possibly seal over the entire mountain. As for the heat and such, the eagle could just toss the ring from a short distance.

>>83809684
It makes all mortals invisible you mong

>>83809945

>Frodo walks around inside barefoot
>Gollum walks around inside completely naked
>neither are bothered by the heat at all
>neither suffer any kind of burns
>somehow an eagle would get fried to death from flying above it.

>>83810016
It's just bait

>>83809826

The eagles picked up the hobbits as the volcano was erupting, faggot, and nothing happened to them

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>>83809983
It is not, if it was, it would be impossible to enter the way Sam and Frodo in movie did. See my illustration.

>>83807687
I don't know what that thing is, but for some reason I want to fuck it.

>>83808511
>We as the viewer/reader simply lack the perspective to see all of Saurons motivations.
reading all of the Lord of the Rings, plus the supplemental materials, gives you more than enough clues into "Sauron's motivations," you fact-starved brainlet.

>>83808304
>going through Rhûn
That whole area is in the thrall of Sauron aswell.

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>>83810062
The hobbits were not chilling on top of the fucking mountain but on the side.

>>83810164

Gollum walked INSIDE NAKED and was not burned. I can't imagine that it's so much hotter above the peak than inside the belly of the mountain that the eagles would die from it.

>>83810236
Gollum got burned pretty badly if I remember correctly

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>>83810125
>he believes (((Elvish))) sources

>>83810313

kek, you know what I mean.

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>>83810236
Difference is, inside there wasn't lava spewing in every direction and fire enveloping the entire area.
In >>83809826, that's precisely the case on top of the mountain, it would be impossible for the eagles to enter close enough to throw the ring inside. And I've been entertaining the idea that there's a direct funnel down to the lava lake from the top. The lake isn't directly accessible as it would make the whole area Frodo and Sam are fighting in at the end full of fire and lava, but alas, looking at the footage it seems to be quite serene as the picture shows.

Even if the Eagles flew over Mt. Doom with the Ring, no one would have the strength of will to cast it into the fire.

>>83810033
>because air doesnt get thinner and more carcinogenic the higher you go in a land covered by noxious gas

>the giant eagles who have to not only overwork their cardiovascular systems to be fast to not get killed in a bunch of ways but need to carry extra wieght. Not to mention they require a shitload of oxygen in deal condidtions.

>flying lava at the turn around point in mission

>>83809897
The eye?

>>83810524
What if you find a Muslim eagle and tell him to fly into Mt Doom?

They didn't use the Eagles because the Eagles are proud and would fall under the influence of the Ring, and because THE ENTIRE PURPOSE WAS A FUCKING STEALTH OPERATION YOU FUCKING FUCKS FUCK STOP ASKING THIS FUCKING DUMB QUESTION JUST TO MAKE ME MAD GODDAMNIT

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>>83810577

Nope.

>>83803800

Why didn't Frodo just eat the ring, and when it got into his lower intestines have Sam fuck him in the ass, slipping the ring on and off the tip of his cock while screaming "HOLD ON MR. FRODO!"?

>>83810624
Are you happy, OP? Look what you've done to this anon.

>>83807315
>get them near mordor
That's exactly what Gollum does, and then Frodo realizes they can't simply walk in.

>>83809258
Because they aren't allowed to use their powers in Middle-Earth.

>>83809945
>fried eaglet
Now I'm hungry.

>>83803800
>eye of Sauron would immediately see giant eagles flying in his airspace and sound the alarm
>armies of orc archers
>armored trolls that can sling boulders hundreds of feet
>towers and other fortifications all over mordor equipped with ballistas
>those swarms of bat things that they had to hide from in Fellowship
>fucking Nazgul riding on fellbeasts

but yea lets all act like reddit and pretend this is a giant plothole because we're braindead mouthbreathing retards who can't think these things through more than 15 seconds.

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>>83810850
>those swarms of bat things that they had to hide from in Fellowship

>>83803800
If you watch the special extended editions with the commentary of Peter, Fran and Philippa (the writers) they discuss this actual topic

>>83810033
>Gollum walks around inside completely naked
>neither are bothered by the heat at all
>a naked guy doesn't mind the heat!
No doi

>grab the bows
>take the horses to Rohan
>take care of Saruman (I'm so sorry Saruman)
>grab hobbits
>head back to Helm's deep
>grab a pint of ale
>wait for this whole thing to blow over

>>83810850
its a maymay because people respond to it

why doesn't gandalf just shrink frodo to smurf size so he can ride that stupid messenger moth to mordor totally undetected

>>83811016
>wait for the unending armies of the orcs of Mordor to blow over
Sauron would have won even without the Ring.
That was the entire point of the urgent need to have the Ring destroyed.

>>83811054
Why doesn't Gandalf just enlarge Frodo to be the size of a mountain so Frodo can take one step and be in Mordor and there's nothing Sauron or his greasy orcs could do about it

>>83803800

Despise what the movies have made you believe the eagles don't just come when gandalf calls them.

The eagles where originally par with Gandalf or the Balrogs as maiar (demi gods) which means they join Gandalf when the king of the eagles see it fit or when ordered by the lord of the valar.

Meaning they only do shit when gods (not Gandalf) tell them to do shit. If manwe doesn't say "help Gandalf" they may act like assholes and refuse him.

So yes, Eagles are deux ex machina, which means men and even maiar can not use them as will, they only appear on the whim of the gods.

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>>83811016

>>83811054
because Frodo has a giantess fetish and he would be too busy trying to get women to step on him

>>83811094
But how would Frodo sustain himself? There isn't enough cattle to feed Frodo the Mountainous.

>>83803861
/thread

>>83811150
just a small bite of lembas bread can satiate any hunger

>>83811150
He'd walk into the Undying lands and eat all the Elves.
He's the Elf-Friend, after all

>>83811061
Oh right yeah, mordor...

Ok, new plan:
>get bows
>ride to Rohan
>deal with Saruman (sorry Saruman)
>head to helm's deep
>pick up Aragon and crew
>head back to Moria
>board ourselves in
>grab a flask of ale
>wait for this to all blow over

>>83811197
>undying lands
>you can die there
BRAVO TOLKIEN

why didnt gandalf just fucking climb back onto the bridge
he can fight a balrog but cant do a pullup?

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>>83803800

Why didn't they just fly the eagles into Mordor?

I dunno maybe the thousands of potential archers and dozen nazgul riders would of stopped them before they could drop it into the volcano.

That is assuming they managed to get undetected that close to mordor, otherwise sauron would just pump up security 100% around the volcano itself.

Seeing as the ring being returned to sauron would have been certain doom for middle-earth, maybe they didn't wanna do such a high risk strategy.

Of course, this is also around the time when most factions were fractured, dwarves disliked the elves, the elves had distrust in men due to not destroying the ring in the first place so there goes any chance of teamwork.

Also that the eagles themselves are incredibly arrogant and consider themselves greater than the lives of middle earth and the fact they only really helped frodo/sam when the nazgul were dead and did it as a favour to gandalf, one of the single people in middle earth who they actually like.

But yeah, I guess there is no answer to why they didn't use the eagles, who really knows?

>>83811278
>Fly, you fools!
His work was done. He literally told them in his last words to fly to Mordor. Unfortunately, no one in the fellowship was smart enough to figure that out so he had to be resurrected.

the eagles are controlled by Manwë, meaning they're a god given miracle, and you can't rely on god for everything

like in the bible, god just lets everything happens until shit's too hairy and then he acts

>>83803800
Eagles don't like giant eyeball.

>>83811278
Because Jackson is a hack

>>83811045
This. Everyone knows it's not actually a plot hole. It's just the easiest way to get a LotR thread going.

>>83803800
Saruman would have just casted lightbolt

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>>83811293
>potential archers

nigga even legolas on steroids wouldn't be able to hit them at this altitude

Why didn't they just make a thousand other identical looking rings and put them all in a jar together?

>>83811662
How would that kill Sauron?

i find it funny that tolkienfags always say that sauron will see the eagles

ok....and what exactly is he going to do about it? send the nazgul after them? the eagles fucking wrecked the fellbeasts in the black gate battle. what else is sauron going to do? archers? they can fly high enough to avoid the arrows.

stop using this excuse

>>83811733
So what are they supposed to do? Aerial drop the Ring from that high up and just hope it lands in Mt. Doom?

>>83811787
the volcano has an entrance....and if he blocks it up or whatever they can go through the top because it's a fucking volcano

>>83811733
Like said before, dropping the ring on top of the mountain doesn't work cause it wasn't forged on top of it. It was forged inside so inside it goes..

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>>83811016
>>83811212
Underrated

>>83811845
what? it's a volcano. do you know how volcanos work?

>>83809214
Holy fuck this scene was retarded, and makes Pippin using the Palantir completely unnecessary.

>>83811865
He's right though. The Ring has to be dropped into the inner fires where it was forged.

>>83803800
I want to be Galadriel's pusy slave

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>>83811816
Yeah.. through the top.. easy peazy.. Would you like some lembas with that?

>>83811816
Yeah but that requires them to get within range of archers and guards. They'd be easy targets.

>>83809553
I think Tolkien ultimately decided that they died while sparking massive resistance movements against Sauron's rule in the various south east kingdoms. Since so many men of Harad and the rest were too busy fighting the guerrillas to show up at Pelenor, they did contribute to the final victory.

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The Eagles are a bunch of autistic semi-divine servants of the chief Valar. They'd probably just tell Gandalf to fuck off asking to use them as a taxi service flying that far.

>>83803800
for the same reason they sent HOBBITS

because the EYE OF SAURON would fucking see them coming from a mile away

people who still think the eagles argument is clever are complete and utter idiots

and i don't even like lotr

>>83811913
lol do you think a volcano has two different layers of lava or something

they can fucking nose dive into the volcano and hand on the entrance ledge

Why was Return of the King so much worse than the first two movies?

>>83812037
giant shitty cgi battles. everyone gives the hobbit shit for all its shitty cgi battles but no one says anything about the terrible battles in RoTK

>>83812037
The last 20-30 minutes was the main weak point. If Hackson sorted that out then it would have been at least on par with TT imo

>>83811981
The other thing that people usually don't mention is that just because the plot was centered around the Fellowship and the events in Gondor/Mordor doesn't mean that there wasn't trouble going on elsewhere. The eagles were probably busy defending their own territory from orc attacks and such.

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Nuff said

>>83812542
>spamming the cheapest tower at max upgrade
Clever

>>83812542
It's all moot anyway. In the end, Frodo and Sam infiltrated inner Mordor through the best possible route given everything they were up against. Not even Sauron really had a backup plan for someone getting past Shelob.

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>>83812542

>>83812073
Reminder that Hackson originally wanted to have Sauron walk out and meet Aragorn to duel him. How fucking stupid can one director be?

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>>83811997
This is a volcano, now if the top is spewing lava and fire 24/7, it means that whatever "tube" there is, is clogged with - you guessed it, LAVA.

We can deduce from this that the place Frodo and Sam were at in the end, was probably not connected to the main "tube" because they would be swimming in lava if that was the case. It was some kind of pocketed area with a view to the lava flow below that fed the main tube.
I hope this has been informative, and whatever doubts you had are cast away.

>>83813110
instead he had aragorn duel a fucking mountain troll/cave troll/whatever the giant thing was

fucking hell jackson

>>83813126
the ring needs to be destroyed "in the fires of mt. doom".

the volcano spews forth said fire. so dumping the ring in the top should do the trick

What about a catapult?

>>83813205
By that logic, all lava is "fires of mt. doom".
They could have ended the journey at Mines of Moria.

>>83813319
tolkientards really are fucking stupid arent they

>>83811933
Based pusyposter

>>83813319
no, moria isn't mount doom. the top of mount doom is the top of mount doom.

>>83813126
every single clear passage would be filled with lava if it was spewing lava constantly out of its top

>>83813487
sauron was probably circumventing lava tax by having a sealed off chamber in there

>>83813319

Obviously it matters that it's located in Mt Doom, but it's dumb to think that the specific chamber of Mt Doom matters. The lava is constantly flowing through all parts of the mountain in some fashion, so anywhere should work, otherwise you get into a crazy slippery slope that eventually requires you to find the actual original lava that was flowing through at the time or some shit.

Why didn't the elves just send few squads of literally invisible super-agile elf specops to Mordor to sabotage its infrastructure and destroy the black gates to keep all the orcs inside mordor.

>>83813487
I don't think it was in the book. Peter Jackson depicted it as your stereotypical 'big conical opening at the top' volcano, but I'm pretty sure that's not how it was in the book.

>>83813591

IIRC, the book describes Mt Doom as painting the sky of Mordor red. Not that it was spewing anything, but it definitely had an open top for the light to come out and shine in the sky.

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>>83813581
Why didn't they just send 20 good men to Mordor?

>>83813591
it's a standard volcano in the books. it's not erupting 24/7 either from what i remember, it only erupts when the ring is destroyed.

>>83813660
There weren't 20 good men in all Middle Earth. Maybe 10

Why didn't sauron install ring catching nets above the lava?

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>>83813660

>men
>good

>>83813820
why didn't elrond push isildur into the lava

>Aragorn
>Frodo
>Sam
>Legolas
>Glorfindel
>Faramir
>Gandalf
>Merry
>Pippin
How would this fellowship have coped?

>>83813897
they never actually walked up to Mt. Doom, that was a Hackson thing. Truth is, they didn't even know what the ring was at that point

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>>83813814
Why didn't Sauron at least install a door with a lock for the entrance to Mt. Doom instead of building a motherfucking platform above the fires.

>>83813897
That's a bigger plot hole than the whole eagles debaccle.
He could've shoved Isildur over the edge and claimed that in his greed he tripped and fell. I don't think anyone would dare to oppose such an high ranking elf.

>>83813980
im pretty sure they knew what the ring was because the elves took off their rings of power once sauron put the one ring on and tried to mind rape them

>>83807965
Which begs the question why that wasn't already being done.

All this autistic nitpicking would really make the story terrible.

>>83814091
because the plot needed to happen

>>83814019
That's literally not a plot hole

>>83814091
I think it was because Sauron couldn't fathom anyone wanting to destroy the ring on their own free will. He was 100% confident that the ring would sway them to keep it and eventually it would return to him.

>>83814108
don't misunderstand the nitpicking because i like the books and movies, but there is a lot of really stupid shit in it

>>83814031
why wasn't there a huge controversy when Isildur took the Ring for himself then? Did Elves just say "fuck it" after the battle and decided to start leaving Middle Earth?

>>83814159
>Sauron couldn't fathom anyone wanting to destroy the ring on their own free will.
And he was 100% correct

>>83814091
The entire point of the ring is that it's pretty much impossible for the bearer to wilfully destroy it.

>>83814167
You mean movies or the books? The changes made to Faramir still pisses me off.

>>83814171
IIRC very few of them knew that Isildur had taken it.

>>83814191
True, except for Tom Bombadil. Also, I bet I could throw the ring away.

>>83811563

they gonna drop the ring in from like 1000 feet then lol with a little parachute attached to it and hope for the best?

Sooner or later, the eagles would have to get close to the ground, so archers could hit them, alongside you know dodging the nazgul riders.

>>83813814
>>83813982
The fact that anyone would ever consider destroying the ring was inconceivable for Sauron. He is 100% sure that we will eventually get the ring back and whoever else gets a hold of it will try to use it for their own benefit, but ultimately fail and become corrupted by it.

The ring eventually corrupts every bearer and they will in the end not destroy the ring, it was only destroyed by accident.

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Why didn't they tunnel their way into Mordor?

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>>83814191
>I shall be the king of all gardens!
>Actually no, that's silly, I should probably destroy this rubbish ring

>>83814108
yes of course, the point is that introducing the eagles in the first place was a mistake, and it's a cheap copout to say the eagles are noble beings not a taxi service (except when the story calls for them to be just that)

>>83814465
Sam also hadn't carried the Ring for months on end after sustaining an injury from a Morgul blade like Frodo.

why didn't they go on a diplomatic mission to mordor and pick up a vial of lava as a souvenir

>>83814531
couldn't pay sauron's lava tax

>>83814384

Yeah, it should be noted that nobody willingly destroyed the ring either.

Frodo tried, but the ring wouldn't let him. Gollum obviously never would have intentionally, it was only destroyed by sheer luck.

>>83814526
He still gave it up

>>83814465
Frodo was also planning on destroying it as well. Once near Mt. Doom, however, the Ring is at its most powerful and even Frodo couldn't do it.

>>83814531
how would you keep the lava molten hot on the way back....?

Why would mordor let ANYONE in on a diplomatic mission?

>>83814531
How would they contain it?

>>83814609
handing the ring to someone =/= destroying it

>>83814635
sculpt a container out of rock

>>83814631
>>83814635
There was mithril armor, I guess they could make mithril vials?

Why didn't the dwarves just dig a tunnel to the lava river.

>>83814700

But it wouldn't stay hot.

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>>83814499
>not a taxi service (except when the story calls for them to be just that)

I disagree. Asking them to swoop in and rescue Frodo and Sam after the Ring was destroyed is one thing but I don't think they'd be too keen on flying into the heart of Mordor while everyone else just kicks back.

>>83814816
They would have Gimli fashion a portable stove/furnace where they would keep it in liquid state at all times. Or they could just rendevouz at the gates of Mordor and then chuck the ring in right then and there.

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BANALITIES

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Why didn't they try negotiating with Sauron?

Aragorn literally chopped the head off of his messenger. That's some ISIS levels of retardation.

They could've at least listened to his proposal.

paratroopers are totally ineffective without a conventional assault to work with, the planes take heavy fire and the troopers are quickly slaughtered if the defense is prepared. They work as dragoons on the battlefield, moving around the back of the enemy and dismounting to support the main army with flanking or rear fire. Without support theyre fucked and useless. Youre asking why a council of cautious, rational people avoided a suicide drop on mount doom through use of a shaky relationship with giant eagles that gandalf happens to be friends with.
When the eagles intervene, its to save gandalf, just like they always had, and they could only actually go into mordor after the witch king and sauron were dead. They attacked the nazgul after their leader was killed with a successful ambushed, basically the perfect opportunity. This makes sense for them to do, defeat a rival and helpba friend at the same time.
This is a much more rational proposition to give to giant army-destroying eagles than "hey dude so like take us right into mordor right past the witch king and sauron basically the most dangerous place in the world with the worst tactical odds and idk hope for the best thx"

>>83814866
right because saving a few hobbits obviously has priority over saving the entire world

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>>83814631
>Why would mordor let ANYONE in on a diplomatic mission?

I dunno, this guy seems pretty friendly and inviting with that smile.

>>83814499
Frankly I think the eagles coming at the end was simply a callback to The Hobbit more than anything else. Similarly Farmer Maggot and Tom Bombadil were essentially cameos and nods to Tolkien's early material that he wrote for his kids.

Can't we all just agree that Noldorim fucking shits?

>>83814942
full autist right here

the only defense sauron has against the eagles are fellbeasts and archers. the fellbeasts are a joke to the eagles and they fly to high to get hit by arrows

>>83814926

The rightful King of Gondor spares no quarter for tax evaders.

>>83808659
Why didn't they just fly low so Sauron's radar couldn't detect them?

>>83810674
rekt

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>>83803800
>>83803800
why didnt Memedo just meme on a memegle to Memedor?

>>83815015
Yes but eventually they have to get close enough to actually get the Ring into the fire.

What would happen if a tree in Fangorn had the ring?

>>83815015
You really think the eagles could have defeated the witch king with the full support of the other nazgul in an open fight over enemy territory with a literal demigod there? even if they could edge out a victory, with injury and loss as all victories against the greatest evil in middle earth entail, is that really in the nature of an eagle to do? They use tactics, theyre smart predatorial animals with finesse, they dont do stupid dangerous shit for no reason and they usually wait until the end of the conflict to swoop in and hit their target with stealth and precision, as a predatorial bird does. More importantly, they help on their own terms, and only intervened to save others, theyre not going to put in that kind of effort unlesd they see that you're actually pulling some weight yourself. As youve said sauron of little threat to eagles that live on giant mountaintops as long as they keep to themselves and only intervene at the bedt opportunities, but thats different that a full frontal charge into enemy territory for the sake of cowards that wont fight for their own land.

>>83815491
It would stage a failed revolt against the Ents

>>83813897
Because they never went inside the mountain, that was just Hackson being the hack he is.
Also because they're related.

>>83808160
t. annatar

baka desu senpai

>>83808185
wait where in lotro? I played it for 4 years, never found that npc

>>83814644
Sam was the only person ever to give up the Ring after taking possession of it by his own free will.
Even Bilbo required heavy persuasion by Gandalf to ultimately leave the Ring behind.

>>83814816
Re-heat it in the microwave.
Fucking brainlets.

>>83815529
>the witch king with the full support of the other nazgul
nazgul had their asses handed to them by the eagles when it came down to it

>over enemy territory

makes no fucking difference, eagles can fly much higher than where orc arrows could hit them

>with a literal demigod there

who can't do jack shit

>>83815758
This is true but Sam was pure of heart and only possessed it very briefly.

>>83815529
>You really think the eagles could have defeated the witch king with the full support of the other nazgul in an open fight over enemy territory with a literal demigod there?

Not him, but yes.

The Nazgul were so goddamn incompetent that they:

>couldn't detect hobbits directly below them
>got fooled by a made-up bed and had a hissy fit
>couldn't kill some measly hobbits even after they were surrounded
>proceeded to get set on fire and have to retreat because of a single man
>positioned their flying snake lizard in such a dumb way that a little hobbit lopped its head off
>could have finished Gandalf off but a siren meant that the 1 second it would take to do so was too much
>used a clunky mace/morning star/dumb fucking weapon for no reason at all and got rekt by a feminist

Sauron was the Dark Lord of Incompetence.

>>83815800
>only possessed it very briefly
So did Deagol, yet he was completely unwilling to give it to Smeagol.
And he had it for an even shorter time than Sam.

>Drop the world's most valuable jewel in the sea.
>LOL gone 5eva
>Less valuable magic ring.
>Nope you have to do this bullshit quest.

>>83811861
Kill yourself.

>>83815868
Eh... I guess, but Deagol really didn't have any good reason to just hand it over to Smeagol even if it hadn't been an evil magic ring.

>>83815938
If a motherfucker asks for a shiny ring for his birthday you give that motherfucker a shiny ring for his birthday.
What are you, poor?

If Gandalph was a wizard how come he couldn't just open a portal to Mordor?

>>83815992
Dude already got his present. He was just being a greedy dick.

>>83808026
isnt that the path they took? they came out of misty mountains into lorien where they met gladriel, then they went on a river, then they climbed some mountains where they met golem, then they went through the marsh. meanwhile the adult went west to rohan to help, then south east to gondor minas tirith

>>83816036
The portal tax imposed by the Stewart of Gondor was too steep.

>>83816036

Something something can't interfere too much with the affairs of mortals something something.

>>83815868
That has very little to do with the Ring's influence and very much to do with "I just found this cool shit fuck off it's mine now".

>>83814531
>>83814631
>>83814816
What if you took a rock from mt doom and melted it elsewhere, would that count?
I feel like it's worth a shot

>>83816197

The entire thing with Mt Doom is that its lava is the hottest thing in all of Middle Earth. You'd never get it up to temp anywhere else.

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>this scene took place in minas tirith, not rivendell

>>83816374
Yes...?

>>83803800
Gandalf was taking them in that direction through the mountains. When saruman started hurling shit at them he gave Frodo the choice of whether to go through moria or take another route. Frodo chose moria because he's an idiot but oh well. When Gandalf dies he says fly you fools trying to let them know to go find the eagles but doing it in a way that Sauron's spies wouldn't be able to decipher when he spoke.

>>83816470
Terrible bait. They tried the Caradhras pass first. Moria was the only other route to get past the mountains that wouldn't have taken forever.

>>83816374
Wow I literally just realized that. No wonder Bilbo doesn't appear.

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>>83816374
this can't be happening!

>>83816616
>through the mountains
Try learning to read you fucking imbecile.

>>83816374
thought it was in rivendell, but yea i guess it is in minas tirith. i think the lighting tricked me, that's the same lighting they use in rivendell when frodo wakes up and sees gandalf.

>>83816988
>he gave Frodo the choice of whether to go through moria or take another route.

There was no other route. It was either Moria or go back to Rivendell.

>>83816374
>>83816741
>>83816952
>>83817010
I honestly didn't realize this was a source of confusion. Were you guys really young when you saw the movie or just dumb?

>>83816616
Boromir goes on and on about the Gap of Rohan. Despite being so close to Isengard, it was still an option.

>>83817041
t. jackson

>>83817010
wait

why didn't they just take the same path bilbo did in the hobbit to get to the lonely mountain and just sail down the river before mirkwood?

>>83803800
>>83803861
BTFO

>>83815089
why didnt they all just kill themselves?

>>83803850
He wrote the book before helicopters existed, lad.

>>83817092
No but seriously, why would you think it was in Rivendell? You thought they took them all the way back there and then travelled back to Gondor for Aragorn's coronation?

>>83817080
Boromir had travelled that way before they knew Saruman was a traitor though.

>>83817041
yes.

>>83803800
the fellbests of the nazgul would have plucked them from the sky

>>83817270
NO
THEY
WOULDNT

the eagles fuck the fellbeasts up at the black gate battle

>>83817270
doubt it. eagles are APEX predators, and there is more of them

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>>83816051
yes lol

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>>83807745
gg

>>83808686
He's a big guy

>>83816374
I remember wondering why they made Minas Tirith look like Rivendell but I knew what was up

>>83817770
Probably because they used the same set.

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Did Sauronman kill him?

Anyone else find it pretty amazing that the budget for the entire LotR trilogy was around 300 million and now we've reached the point where major summer blockbusters are regularly 250+ mill for just one movie?

>>83817864
back in the 90s, Stargate cost 50 mill and Independence Day like 80, and those look a hundred times BETTER than the 100% CGI wankery of today's blockbusters

>>83816374
Well that makes a whole lot more sense...
I feel like an idiot

>read lotr as kid
>wtf why elves do nothing stupid elves not helping men fight evil
>read silmarillion as adult
>realize humanity is absolute trash
>elves fought evil for thousands of years while humans just gave into it over and over
>Elrond and Galadriel's contributions in LotR are EXTREMELY generous considering how much they'd already given to fight evil only to be betrayed by mankind countless times

>>83811150
POTAYTOS

>>83818075
boil em mash em stick em in a stew

>>83811278
He probably does meme powerlifts all they and has no skill

>>83803800
Gandalf originally intended to use the eagles to get the ring into Mordor when they got close enough. No one else thought about the idea, but he died before he could tell them. Need proof? His last words to the group were: "Fly, you fools!"

>>83803800
They had a thing, you know? They were free later on, though.

>>83817158
Letter 210 to Forrest J. Ackerman. Check it out.

>>83818184
Way to go, anon. You're only the tenth person to make this post.

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>>83803800
But what were the Eagles' tax policy?

>>83818400
They didn't have tax, they lived a nomadic agrarian hunter/gatherer lifestyle.

>>83816374
woah

>>83818447
but how much crops did they have? how did they organise their chores?

>>83816374
Not in the book.

>>83818792
Frodo and Sam weren't taken to Rivendell in the book. What are you talking about?

>>83818898
Didn't say that, chump. Learn to read.

>>83818906
Well then clarify yourself better next time instead of just making a lazy post like that.

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>>83815529

>>83815230
/thread

>>83811016
Kekk

>>83816374
Gandalf only had insurance in Minas Tirith

>>83819463
Underrated.