Stark Trek DS9: Hold On Edition

Sisko sucks.

>>83722600
Thank goodness, the last thread was pure cancer, hopefully all the summerfags have gone to bed now and we can have better conversations about Star Trek.

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>>83723668
I disagree

>inb4 ENT fags, DS9 7 year vendetta autist, Sub Rosa fag, etc.

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Dukat did nothing wrong

>>83723784
I'm none of those

>>83723784
I'm William Shatner. Ask me anything.

>>83723773
He gets better once he becomes Punished Sisko

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Reminder that THIS was the BEST character in DS9.

>>83723889
You and Nimoy ever fuck?

>>83723918
Woops forgot link. Again BEST character in DS9

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVHR0UPHERQ&

>>83723928
Did some wife-swapping.

>>83723889
my questions is why don'y you prove who you are with a time stamped photograph?

>>83723973
Because I'm 86 years old, it's 10:00 PM PST, and go fuck yourself.

>>83723949
>not playing the more powerful second half of this scene
You realize he was pretending to be a war criminal to punish himself on behalf of his planet's crimes, right?

>>83723949
that's not Quark

>>83724015
Death of the author.

What do yinz think about Star Trek Discovery? I thought that trailer was awesome.

>>83724499
Hope it's good. No faith in CBS though.

The streaming service is a terrible idea that will just encourage pirating.

>>83724499
I'm taking it with a grain of salt, some of the things in the trailer looked fine, other things looked bad.

I'm really hoping all of the troubling production rumors are false or overblown.

>>83724499
it looks fine but people will complain about it looking different and retconning things while at the same time praising other series for doing exactly that

>"Commander, tell me about your sexual organs" meme.jpeg

>>83723889
Bill, are you ever going to just finally admit that you hate Star Trek and the fans?

>>83724268
What is your argument here?

>>83724499
Has a pretty strong cast (big Michelle Yeoh fan), sets don't look bad and the timeline seems unexplored and interesting. I am really hoping they explain what is with the Klingons shown in the trailer. I hope those aren't all of their species and how they all are depicted

>>83725205
That he's sympathetic and inspiring despite the context and/or intent.

>>83724693
>I'm taking it with a grain of salt, some of the things in the trailer looked fine, other things looked bad.
Literally every Star Trek ever.

>>83725302
>the war criminal ruse game was inspiring
No, you aren't supposed to sympathize with that...you are supposed to sympathize with the remorseful filing clerk that he really is.

>>83725177
Why would I hate my meal ticket?

>>83725302
>an actor pretends to be Hitler, so you hate him for being Hitler
>"you know, I really found that Hitler guy inspiring"

>>83723889
was the captain shirt really green instead of gold?

>>83725302
>I take pleasure in killing off all Bajoran scum
>inspiring
Go back to /pol/

>>83725360
Well what else were you going to live off of?
T J Hooker?

>>83725432
Spoken word singing of course.

>>83725256
>sets don't look bad
They look like fucking JJtrek. Where are the giant panels covered in knobs and lights? Where's the mid-century modern interior design? Where are the fucking sweaters? We already know exactly what Starfleet vessel interiors and uniforms looked like a decade before TOS, so what fresh hell is this shit?

>I am really hoping they explain what is with the Klingons shown in the trailer. I hope those aren't all of their species and how they all are depicted
IIRC someone said they're Klingons from the era of Kahless.

>>83725449
Is it true that you really could get a pair of Jeri Ryan's used panties if you wanted to?

>>83725460
the show is supposed to look futuristic to modern people just like TOS was supposed to do to the people back then

>>83725331
Which is where death of the author comes in, which was my point.

>>83725364
Hitler was inspiring, though. Just ask pretty much any German between 1933 and 1941-ish.

>>83725391
I don't go there.

>>83725460
>They look like fucking JJtrek.
Yeah, I don't have a problem with that since I'm not autistic. You can't a modern sci-fi show to purposefully make itself look like scrap just because they had no budget in the 60s. I am fine with remodeling the time period's aethetic, it's not like it bothers the TNG period at all. It's never been explored outside of maybe 2 episodes max.

>>83725514
I don't know what death of the author is, and Hitler was inspiring after brainwashing and propaganda. Nothing the Cardassian says as the war criminal is meant to be endearing. He is literally boasting about murdering innocent lives.

Are you just baiting me?

>>83725523
*aesthetic

>>83725499
>>83725523
And I really wouldn't care at all if it wasn't shitting directly on established canon, and TOS at that. If they wanted to go the "slick uniforms and holographic monitors" route then why not just set it a hundred years after DS9 and do whatever the fuck they want?

>>83725566
Death of the author basically means that it doesn't matter what the original writer/creator of something meant when he was creating but only what the audience sees in the work.

>>83725599
>shitting on canon
Every series has done that to some degree.
>shitting on TOS
Good, it's mostly trash. Stop pretending anything besides the TOS films are good from that era.

>>83723889
Post proofs, fgt. Have your next tweet involve the number 10.

>>83725612
So you are admitting you missed the entire thematic point to that episode? Instead, you took away that the mass murdering war criminal was inspiring? But you aren't /pol/?

>>83723668
Possibly the worst officer in the history of starfleet. Provoked a war with Dominion.
Genocides a planet in petty revenge against a macaque defector.
His incompetency created or worsened the macaque situation.
Mishandled the Cardisian situation terribly.

He probably got billions of people killed.

>>83723720
It's been moderately comfy so far.

>>83725640
>Every series has done that to some degree.
Of course. This one just doesn't even pretend to give a fuck.

>Good, it's mostly trash. Stop pretending anything besides the TOS films are good from that era.
This shits on those as well.

>>83725662
no I was just another guy answering that part, I have never watched DS9

>>83725662
Seriously get on some medication man.

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>>83723961
Impressive. Well played Shatner.

You are the best captain.

>>83725689
"Provoked"

I'm honestly not going to fault him for the Dominion invasion. That was way beyond his league.

>>83725599
for the obvious reason I guess
JJ Trek is popular, a show that look like that has more chances of attracting new possible viewers

>>83725727
Do you just not like my response or something? I am literally repeating your points. You said you missed the mark with that episode. I'm not the autistic one who takes away inspiration from characters that are allegorically meant to represent fucking Nazis lol

>>83725689
He also was basically an alien puppet planted in Starfleet just to be used at a later time by his creators.

>>83725721
Then why are you even here?

The problem with Discovery is that it looks way too much like JJtrek.You can have a show be reminiscent of the TOS era without looking awful. Its all about simply, slick visuals. JJtrek and Discovery so far look like over-designed messes. IMO, Star Trek Online did a really good job of modernizing TOS era stuff. Everything has the same feel to it, but it all looks much, much better than it did back in the 60's.

>>83725750
As soon as New Bajor fell. they should have fucking closed the wormhole.

As soon as Sisko was named the Emissary of Bajor he should have been given the ultimatum by Star Fleet command. One or the other.

>>83725817
I thought it was the trek general

>>83725837
Closing the wormhole wouldn't be the best economic choice for the Federation though. Dominion was already passing through and literally destroyed two major empires by the time the show ended.

>>83725837
>As soon as Sisko was named the Emissary of Bajor he should have been given the ultimatum by Star Fleet command.

Never thought about that. Despite being warp-capable, isn't Starfleet technically contaminating the culture of Bajor by allowing Sisko to be the Emissary? He should know that his duty as a Starfleet officer should keep him from accepting such high titles, unless he was also Bajoran.

>>83725902
It wasn't like the alien Prophets gave him any choice. Starfleet can look at the whole thing as a first contact situation.

>>83725801
Good point. Section 31 really dropped the ball on that one.

Or perhaps it all went exactly as planned.

Direct results of the dominion wars was all the majors powers minus the Frengi well extremely weakened in the Alpha quadrant. The three biggest threats to the Federation were destroyed. Cardisians, Romulans, and Klingons.

In the end they get Bajor and the wormhole.

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>Commence Station Security log.
>Stardate 47282.5.
>At the request of Commander Sisko, I will hereafter be recording a daily log of law enforcement affairs. The reason for this exercise is beyond my comprehension, except perhaps that humans have a compulsion to keep records and lists and files. So many, in fact, that they have to invent new ways to store them microscopically, otherwise their records would overrun all known civilisation. My own very adequate memory not being good enough for Starfleet, I am pleased to put my voice to this official record of this day:
>Everything's under control.
>End log.

>>83725689
>Genocides a planet in petty revenge against a macaque defector
>His incompetency created or worsened the macaque situation
Autocorrect is one of my favourite comedians

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>Nobody ever had to teach me the justice trick. That's something I've always known. A racial memory from my species, I guess. It's really the only clue I have to what kind of people they are. Are these kinds of thoughts appropriate for a Starfleet log? I don't care. There's no room in justice for loyalty or friendship or love. Justice, as the humans like to say, is blind. I used to believe that. I'm not sure I can anymore.

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>>83724499

It will probably geared towards same crowd as Jar Jar movies and it looks like shit, too much lens fucking flares, uniforms look like impractical as fuck, Klingons look like shit.....

They probably lied about it being in the prime timeline and it will destroy continuity of said timeline. It isn't just a visual reboot, it is full reboot.

I'm more exited about pic related.

>>83724693
>I'm really hoping all of the troubling production rumors are false or overblown.
One of the rumors (Alex Kurtzman was fired) was proven false earlier today (he still works on STD and talked about it in an interview).

Now, that's terrible news because Alex Kurtzman is a worthless hack, but it's also good news because it makes those other rumors less trustworthy.

>>83725523
>You can't a modern sci-fi show to purposefully make itself look like scrap just because they had no budget in the 60s.

This meme should die. Most of the old """"low budget"""" scifi shows were anything but that. Star Trek TOS had average budget of $190k per episode, adjusted for inflation it would be bit $1.4 million per episode today. In a time when Hollywood didn't pay insane sums to stars. Second season was bit cheaper at $180k per episode. Third season also had average budget of $180k per episode, but that was actually a major budget cut as US began gradual change from gold standard to floating currency when Star Trek aired and inflation was running rampant.

Since I implied something about other """low budget""" scifi shows. Original Battlestar Galactica pilot was the most expensive episode of a TV show well into 1990's. Budget for feature length pilot episode was around 7 million. Adjusted for inflation, it would 26 million today. As the most expensive TV episode it was surpassed by Voyagers pilot at 23 million dollars burned before it was done, it would be around 38 million today. Scifi shows are generally expensive when it comes to pilot episodes as there needs to be a lot of new custom sets, props, lots of new effect sequences and so on. When Caretaker was shot Paramount knew that they would make money with it, so they sunk a lot of first season production costs into pilot episode budget.

>>83725788
Im literally not even the same guy. You sound schizophrenic dude.

>>83729318
Fine, it had a decent budget, but it still looks cheap from our view.

>>83724499
>I thought that trailer was awesome.
you are wrong

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>>83729518
>Fine, it had a decent budget, but it still looks cheap from our view.

I got bit carried away with cumulative inflation, but I generally agree on making show look modern. As a side note here, one low budget scifi show that was actually low budget was Babylon 5. Star Trek has had arguable number of visual reboots. TMP, TWOK, Enterprise and Jar Jar movies.

STD's uniforms are a mess. Those barely do what uniforms are supposed to do. Color differences between service branches are hard to identify as bronze and gold look awfully similar. Rank insignia on as tiny metallic pips on a fucking shiny metal badge. There is a reason why rank insignia in uniforms is how it is in real life. To identify ranks at quick glance and still remain subdued enough that enemy sniper doesn't easily see it few hundred yards away.

One very few things Jar Jar did right was uniforms, those fit into continuity and even make nod to admirals uniform Kirk had in TMP.

Bridge is supposed to look functional and futuristic, yet it is supposed to fit into continuity. They did absolutely right in the Enterprise, they could have built on that and make couple nods into direction of TOS with some colors or something. Bridge on trailer isn't functional, it is too damn dark. Typically CIC in warship is well lit in normal conditions, in battle they may dim lights to bring attention to screens and reduce distractions, not too much people can keep walking around without tripping. Jar Jar made opposite error with his Apple store, you aren't supposed to be blinded by flood lights.

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>>83723668
>>83723773
>>83723903
>>83725689
>>83727221
>>83725801
>>83725750
>>83725837
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>>83725931
Now, now, there really is no need for all of this pointless, petty bickering. We're all reasonable men here and surely reasonable men can find a way to come to a mutually acceptable compromise.

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>>83730515
>tfw no 28th century Trek following the life and story of Weyoun 146

>>83729318
It isn't a meme that TOS had a smaller budget compared to other shows on cable and if you can honestly look at those sets and say to me that they don't look like garbage then you may be blind.

Things aren't just memes because you disagree with them.

>>83729471
Then why are you answering and interacting with me and my very specific points?

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>>83730852
>tfw the one Weyoun who was "defective" could have had an absolutely amazing storyline if they didn't kill him immediately

>>83730852
That wouldn't happen regardless. The last Weyoun clone was killed in the DS9 series finale.

>>83731029
I know that, but they had to be able to make Weyoun 1 somehow. And maybe they could make it so Weyoun dies at the end of every episode.

>>83730973
would have been fun to keep him alive on the station trying to fit in for just a short while before killing him

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"Commander, tell me about your sexual organs."

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>>83731090
>maybe they could make it so Weyoun dies at the end of every episode.
So you want Aeon Flux but with Weyoun awesome

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>>83730895
>It isn't a meme that TOS had a smaller budget compared to other shows on cable and if you can honestly look at those sets and say to me that they don't look like garbage then you may be blind.

There wasn't cable TV when TOS was made. Cable TV until deregulation of broadcasting business in 1972 was only providing broadcast coverage for areas where there was poor signal reception, areas with lots of tall buildings, hills and so on. Basically build big antenna on the hill and run cable down to houses.

Sets look fine for mid to late 60's scifi show.

>Things aren't just memes because you disagree with them.

If you are completely ignorant of economics and simply incapable of understanding basic concepts like cumulative inflation. Picture kinda related. It was the most expensive car in the world when TOS was being made. It was the method of transportation for unelected heads of state and genocidal maniacs. Baseline price tag was mind boggling $24,000 in mid 60's.

>>83731588
You need to honestly relax. I am still going to think TOS looks like shit and it would look tacky as fuck to do a complete authentic remake of the sets in 2017.

>>83731588
>Sets look fine for mid to late 60's scifi show.
Except I don't agree. I don't have to.

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>>83731676
>You need to honestly relax. I am still going to think TOS looks like shit and it would look tacky as fuck to do a complete authentic remake of the sets in 2017.

This my post about it should look. >>83730123

>>83731696
>Except I don't agree. I don't have to.

Standards of the day weren't that high in 60's.

>>83731810
>how it should look
Right, that's your opinion.
>Standards of the day weren't that high in 60's.
We understand that, the point was that a direct set remake of the 60s sets doesn't translate well on screen in 2017. Are you actually autistic here?

>>83731810
>this wonky Batman set looks legitimately better than any TOS episode