>Hey look I can do complex manoeuvres with an old spaceship

>>83702082
it's a movie

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>>83702142
No.

No no no NOOOO

>>83702082
Kylo isn't a sith lord tho. All that ship stuff is dumb I'll give you that. Her force abilities will be explained in the next movie, if any of the leaks are true.

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How she so cute?

>>83702276
>tfw you look like Kylo so Normie's start to view you with fear and suspicion

Don't forget that she can communicate with all the alien races and robots without a translator

>>83702082
If you are still stressed about this stuff 18 months later it might be time to commit suicide.

>>83702602
Or continue doing exactly what he's doing until the shit awakens is remembered By All as an abomination of a film to Say Nothing of it just about being the most anticipated film in the History of Movies!!!!!!!! I despise you shit awakens and maRey sue defenders with every fiber of my being.

>>83702276
They can't explain shit. Because She's forever more a mary sue. Beyond her bullshit force powers and ability to fly a Custom made freighter as in it's not at all factory grade so even if you could fly a billion other ships the falcon would still be beyond you because its control panel has doodads and levers, buttons and switches that are unique within the falcon. Luke saw the controls as did Leia and both were alarmed at how impossible it all looked. But rey within two minutes of flying can do so expertly in the innards of a dynamic obstacle course all the while out dog fighting trained from birth expert pilots. Even more unbelievable she can into any language can climb mountainous obstacles and is immediately loved and trusted by everyone, mission to find Luke is vital to Resistance survival so lets send the smelly sand nigger we just met. Can you say, mary sue?!?!!!??!

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>hey look I can fly a space ship I've never been in before like a pro
>hey look I can land a one in a million shot first try, no biggie lol
>hey look I can somehow survive Darth Vader breathing down my neck even though he was blasting shitloads of far more experienced X-Wing veterans left and right just a minute ago
>hey look I just saved the Rebel Alliance and became a decorated war hero even though I first met these people like yesterday lmao

>>83702082
>Sigh ... is the Star Wars franchise dead now?

You have to ask?

>>83703546
>hey look I can fly a space ship I've never been in before
The incom T-16 sky hopper has a nearly identical control layout to the T-65 X-wing star fighter.
The more you know...

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>>83703546

>>83702082
Yes. Don't worry about people denying the truth, in a couple of years they will learn... or maybe not.

The Falcon is like an old military plane from the soviet union. Old and rusty but very robust at the same. It was made clear that it would mafunction frequently even when it was maintained by Han Solo. How did this wreck fly immediately although it was sitting in the sands for years without proper maintenance??
It was made clear that you need both Han and Chewie to take ull capacity of the ship. Yet that twerp girl can do crazy acrobatics better than anything Han Solo or Lando have done.
When Han Solo dies, she becomes the captain and Chewie the co-pilot! WTFFF!
Mareeeeeeeeeeey Suuuuuuuue

>>83703546
If you're going to slander someone with your bullshit then go for Anakin. You fucking leave Luke out of this

>>83702082
no its more alive than ever, these movies make more and more money every time they come out. add that in with all the merch, games, and food and by 2020 we will be living on lanet disney split into two countries. one called marvel and the other star wars.

>>83703619
Don't bite that bait!

>>83702276
>trained by the guy above Palpatine
>so strong in the force that he can halt a blaster shot in mid air while carrying on a conversation
>no match for a random basic bitch
You're right, makes sense.

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>>83702082
Nope, it's making more money than ever. You just hate fun, should consider suicide as there is no reason for you to live any longer.

>>83702082
>even though I'd never been to space before this,
How do you know?
>I can do repairs of the kind that even the guy who's flown the ship for half a century can't figure out
She worked on the ship and the new modification that Han isn't familiar with
> I can fight a trained sith lord with a lightsaber, despite never having touched a lightsaber before
He was shot.
>I can use the force to perform mind tricks even though I barely know what the force is and have had no training whatsoever
Kylo taught her by attempting to use it on her

>>83703701
This.

/thread

>>83703701
>Kylo taught her by attempting to use it in her
Fucking kek. Okay. One time, I had surgery. The next day, I was skilled in performing surgery because my doctor used it on me. Now I understand how I got these incredible surgery skills overnight.

>>83703751
What are you, 14?

>>83703772
29. You made a bad post with bad logic. That's got nothing to do with my age.

People don't learn complex skills after seeing somebody else perform them once. That's why the streets aren't filled with surgeons, stage magicians, virtuoso musicians, elite chefs, etc, despite everybody seeing such people in action almost daily in tv and in real life. "Kylo used the force on her so she learned it" is beyond stupid as damage control.

>>83703815
Using the force isn't a complex skill though. Go back and watch the OT.

>>83703546
5/10 bait

>>83703853
>Using the force isn't a complex skill
yeah, thats why Jedi were dedicating their entire lives to mastering it and why Luke could use basic force related shit only after months of training

>>83703701
>>even though I'd never been to space before this,
>How do you know?
She explicitly says she's never been off the planet.

>>83703934
>months of training
He did the exact same stuff Rey did after wearing a blindfold and blocking lasers once on a spaceship in New hope.

>>83703751
I learned many chess moves because my opponent used it against me.
To argue you can't learn that force technique by experiencing it first-hand is retarded, since the force is a vague thing and there's no fixed rule on how you have to learn it.

Luke also used the Mind Trick in RotJ. Who taught him?
He only observed Obi-Wan doing it to someone else once.

>>83703961
and training between ANH and Empire, and training with Yoda, and training between Empire and Jedi. and only then he was able to perform a mind trick on a random henchman, and weaker than Rey's one at that. fuck off

>>83703986
are you some kind of retard? Nobody showed her or even mentioned the Jedi mind Trick to Rey, but I guess she downloaded from Kylo's brain...
Luke was shown the mind trick on his first trip with Obi-wan when they're stopped by Stormtroopers. It's only in ROTJ after being trained by Yoda that he finally is shown having mastered it

>>83703619
>The incom T-16 sky hopper has a nearly identical control layout to the T-65 X-wing star fighter.

LOL GREAT WRITING LUCAS

>>83702082
>Hey look, I can use the force to perform mind tricks even though I barely know what the force is and have had no training whatsoever
Woah shit, it's like The Force Awakened inside of her

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>>83703944
So exactly like Luke then.

>>83704130
Kylo shows her you dense fuck.

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>Yippee!

>>83704189
>So exactly like Luke then.
Difference is, she says she's never flown. Luke is already an expert pilot without ever having left Tatooine.

Dude fuck off the force is female now. Get out cis male scum.

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>>83702082
Hey look, OP is getting mad at Star Wars again!

>>83704255
>she says she's never flown
see >>83704189, she says she's never flown THE FALCON

>>83704116
What did she do that luke did after his training with yoda? I remember the mind trick and force grabbing the lightsaber. Luke force grabbed his saber before ever meeting yoda. I think you are just looking for reasons to hate something new buddy, but by all means be angry and spiteful I'm going to enjoy the next decade of fun star wars movies.

>>83704255
Anakin was the only human who could pilot a podcar or whatever. It's the Force.

>>83704291
holy shit be less obvious

>>83704255
It's right there in the image I posted!
She did flew ships. And she worked on the Falcon so she should be familiar with its controls.

Luke also never flew an X-Wing before. He just was familiar with its controls because he flew ships with similar ones.

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>>83704339
Nice deflection

>>83702276
>A fucking force sloth

>>83704401
>a fucking tree

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>>83703546
t. Someone whose never seen Star Wars
t. Roastie grasping at straws to defend her feminist hero
Haha pathetic

>>83704256
A female, on /tv/? Hang on fellas I got this!

*Tips fedora brim over eyes to give an aura of mystery and glides up to you on my light up heelies*

H-hi m'lady, would you perhaps consider being my qt 3.14 gf? snickers nefariously /thinks to self/ "man if this works, I'll get this cute girl to be my girlfriend and I'll never use my singles ID again!"

c'mon, luck be a lady tonight! *cross fingers and gulps* s-so...*adjusts collar and looks firmly* what do you say to my proposal? *waits patiently* :3

Plzrespond, I'm a nice guy who will treat you right unlike all those other assholes who only care about looks!

Don't ignore me you rancid swine, I knew it #niceguys finish last! You're probably out having dinner with Chad now!

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>83702082

you mean just like Luke and Anikin?

>>83704414
>Retconning Anakin to not being the chosen one

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>people are actual defending TFA ITT

Literally fucking WHY?

>>83704541
>experienced

>>83704541
Because while it may not have been as good as the OT it was far from a bad movie.

>>83704559
>was trained by Luke motherfucking Skywalker
>Not experienced
HAHAHAHAHAHA

>>83704420
>Sheltered farm boy is worse at fighting than a scavenger who has to fend for herself
>Knows about new modifications of the Falcon that she herself worked on and Han never saw
>Not the first time she flies at all
>Beats a half-dead overly cocky guy with a light sabre that before even a non-Force user managed to injure.
>Learns mind trick after it was used on her directly vs learns mind trick after seeing it used once on someone else
>Luke is instantly trusted to fly a valuable X-Wing in their most important mission.

>>83704541
Because it was better than the fucking prequels and R1.

>>83704559
Experienced enough to kill every single one of Luke's apprentices.

I think it was great how they managed to get rid off all the tension of the series with just one movie.
I mean shit, Rey defeated a trained Sith and she never held a lightsaber before and the only training in the force she had was that someone told her it is real.
Imagine how powerful she'd be after 20 minutes of training with Luke.

>>83704583
>>was trained by Luke motherfucking Skywalker
We don't know what and how Luke trained him. Also, Kylo didn't finish his training anyway.

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>>83704596
I'll take a crack at this bait
>farm boy who lives in clearly hostile lands with Krayt Dragons and Tusken Raiders still struggles to fight
>modifies the first live ship she's ever been on, specifically a thirty year old ship that the current tech she would've grown up with isn't representative of
>IS the first time because she never went off planet and uses a speeder to get around. Meanwhile you ASSUME she's flown before but nothing is stated concretely unlike Luke.
>beats Anakin Skywalker's grandson who was trained by Luke Skywalker and was seen as the second most powerful Sith at the time
>Luke is taught mind trick by the greatest Jedi Master of all time while she just spontaneously learns it two seconds later
>Luke is trusted because he SAVED THE MOTHERFUCKING PRINCESS LEIA AND THE DEATH STAR PLANS

haha pathetic bait. KYS.

>>83703635
It's because Leia is racist to Wookies. After Han died she hugged Rey and ignored Chewie, someone who knew Han far longer than Leia.

Notice how she used slurs like calling him a walking carpet in the ot.

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>>83703853
>manipulating an unseen force to bend reality isn't a complex skill

>>83704727
>Krayt Dragons
Stopped reading there

>>83704183
>she's Luke's daughter, so she's amazing at The Force® and it explains why she's so OP without training!!!!!
>Kylo is Leia's son, but lmao he's so weak at The Force® even with training so of course he would lose
TFAfags, this is your mindset.

>>83703546
T. Butt hurt roastie

>>83704249
How do you defeat Sheev and save the galaxy only to spend eternity as a giant sloth? Anakin had a hard death.

>>83703643
>muh nostalgia
if you're going to criticize TFA you mid as well criticize the franchise as a whole. You CANT CHERRY PICK YOU FUCKING DEGENERATE .

>>83704420
>b-but woman can't be main protagonist
you can't really be this ignorant

>>83703986
>there weren't years and years between when Luke attempted to use a Jedi mind trick on Jabba and when he saw Ben use it on a storm trooper that Luke spent practicing trying to recreate the first cool force thing he ever saw

>>83704727
It wasn't b8, it is probably a disney marketer on damage control.

>>83702082

It's called innate talent. Look into it neckbeard.

>>83704837
>if you're going to criticize a cheap knockoff, you might as well criticize the superior source material that it imitates
We got a brainiac in the thread, guys, watch out.

>>83704738
Mastering it yes, using it no. Luke can do basic things after just being told to believe in himself and his instincts.

>>83704906
How did he do that?
Did he just go to some town and tried mind tricking random people off-screen?

>>83704961
Example.

>>83704961
While being actively coached and aided by Obi-wan's spirit. Hmmmmm.

>>83704983
He uses the force to guide his shot on the death star and the only training he had was obi telling him to believe in his instincts while being shot at by a sphere.

>>83704989
Wow that sounds so stupid that I'm sure it happened in one of those retarded novels.

>>83704983
he also force grabbed his light saber in the beginning of Empire

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>>83704420


THIS...


sadly salty femginas invaded 4 chan and now they defend this stupid movie

>>83704568
But that's wrong and not an argument

>>83705082
Oh god a Jedi with a vagina!
Star Wars is ruined!

>>83705126
for you

>>83705020
Obi guided him in his X-wing, that doesn't count.

Empire takes place 3 years after New hope, he spent all that time studying and training in the force and he was just able to move objects. Then he spent several months training with Yoda and had the shit kicked out of him by Vader. Then another two years of training before Jedi started.

>>83705158

oooh you manginas always missing the point

you're adorable

>>83702082
Imagine being this butthurt about women

>>83705194
All he does is tell him to use the force I'd hardly call that guiding.

>>83705234


> the problem is a bad main character, betas get salty and make this a "woman issue"

why you are so pleb anon?

>>83705126
Alright bud see you back here after episode 8 that you'll undoubtedly go see.

>>83705234
It's not about women you stupid cunt. I actually liked the main in Rogue One, because she wasn't written by clinical retards

>>83705199
>implying you have any point of whatsoever

George Lucas is the huge libtard.
Disney only cares about money.

>>83705194
Where is it said he is studying and training in the force between new hope and empire? Even in the comics, which I really don't blame you if you haven't read, he is going on rebel missions with luke and lea.

>>83704672
This is the most asinine mental gymnastics argument
>Kylo received training from Luke sky walker, the man who defeated darted Vader
>he was defeated by some Bitch who had never touched a light saber before and didn't even know the force existed until that very same day
>"well yeah but Kylo probably got shit training/barely trained at all and didn't try to better his skills at all in the time like has been gone so haha I win"
I don't even know how to counter this autism

>>83705343
But she was fucking terrible with zero character whatsoever.

>>83704420
>m-muh roastie
opinion discarded

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>>83705366
>darted Vader
>darted

I LOST

>>83705366
He was almost bleeding to death you moron.
Even Finn landed a good hit on him.

>>83705380

salty enough ?

get out anon i can smell your anger

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>>83704420
>teenager is a better pilot than every veteran of the Rebel Fleet because he fucked around in a shitty scooter ""spaceship""" on his bumfuck desert planet a few times
The absolute state of triggered MRAs

>>83705287
>>83705343

Bitches please you wont gonna fool anyone...bad characters in SW is a common thing but only Rey got soo much butthurt for people here...

>>83705444
>Is a bong or cuntstraylian
Now we know you're shitposting. The absolute STATE of your life.

>>83705491
People here decided to hate movie long before it was even out.
Now they have to stick with it.

>>83705289
>why are people defending this bad movie?
>because it's good
>why
>because it is
Kill yourself

>>83705403
>the non force using nigger was able to hold his own against a with apprentice and injure him
More proof that the writing is bullshit and lazy
>>83704972
He may have who fucking knows, either way he still had years and years to somehow practice and coaching with both yoda and obi wan to try to master this trick, as opposed the the soft cunt who mastered it 30 seconds after seeing it

>>83705491
>bad characters
>star wars
Pick one

Anakin was probably the best-written character in fiction in general

>>83705578
So fucking what?
I could beat the current MMA champion if he got blasted with a shotgun just before.

Only point that isn't valid is
>do repairs that Han couldn't
It was some part that the desert dickwad who owned the junkyard put in to keep it from flying too far, or something. Only reason Han didn't fix it himself was because he hadn't looked and seen the part, presumably. Rey already knew about it, which is fair since she's been on Jakku all her life

Everything else is shit, and she's still a shit character who can do no wrong

>>83705491

> Luke perfect shot send the idea theres actually a real mystical force that everyone thinks it's just a Myth,,

> Dont learn inmediatly every jedi skill

> Being not a perfect character make room to introduce another great ally characters


yeah, just admit you dont know what are you talking about anon

You ever notice how the disney shills always repeat the same old shit?
>You only hate Rey because she has a cunt
No matter how much people explain that they are full of shit they just keep repeating that same thing ad nauseam.

>>83702082
How did you find a photo of her with her mouth closed?

>>83703546
>hey look I can fly a space ship I've never been in before like a pro
Experienced skyhopper pilot, vouched for by Biggs, demonstrated sufficient skill in a flight simulator (delegated scene)

>Hey look I can land a one in a million shot first try, no biggie lol
Only through the use of the Force, possibly Obi Sam's intervention

>hey look I can somehow survive Darth Vader breathing down my neck even though he was blasting shitloads of far more experienced X-Wing veterans left and right just a minute ago
Luke was the last one left, and despite using Force enhanced intuition, he still took a hit and was about to be blasted if Han hadn't shown up.

>hey look I just saved the Rebel Alliance and became a decorated war hero even though I first met these people like yesterday lmao
And that's it. Luke wasn't then immediately tasked with the Rebellion's most important mission. In Empire, he was just another pilot.

>>83705837
You ever notice how the Lucas shills always repeat the same old shit?
>MARY SUE MARY SUE MARY SUE
No matter how much people explain that they are full of shit they just keep repeating that same thing ad nauseam.

>>83705878
Call me a nigger, disney shill.

>>83702327
Jesus Christ. Literally any 5+/10 actress who has ever taken a selfie is inevitably worshiped by some floppy sado. Would you please get some dignity, talk to a real woman, and fuck off.

>>83705837

>>83705651

this, the idea of luke having a perfect shot give us the impresion that the force was real

he wasn't perfect in any way and nobody pat him in the head like they did with ray

im sorry disneyfags but you have to admit that Rey is a mary suegina

>>83705907
nigger

>>83705907
nigger

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>>83702369
>tfw British
>tfw well-spoken
>tfw the working class view you with fear and suspicion.

>>83705622
>grasping out straws, better roll out the false equivalences!!
If the MMA heavyweight champ had just gone up against somebody with a shotgun yeah of course he'd lose because he's unarmed and the guy has a shot gun but that's not the fucking case

It's more like Connor Mcgregor went up against some kid who did tae kwon do back in middle school and connor got his ass beat, and then a second middle schooler came up and finished him off. He's bullshit and unrealistic writing and would never happen

Tl;dr you're retarded and pulling shit out of your ass

>>83706021
He got shot by one of the most powerful blasters in the franchise just before. He was still bleeding and could not even walk right.
Why do you keep ignoring that fact?

>>83705345
Luke Skywalker only ever used Prescience, virtually the easiest force ability for anyone to use. All prescience does is tell you when to dodge or when to move left right or straight. That's it. The force told Luke when to fire the homing missiles. As compared to Rey who didn't believe in the force and within a few hours is a force grand master. Rey's a broken Mary Sue.

>>83706070

because is a cheap way to make the mary sue wins...

the real question is....why you defend so much this shitty character?

>>83706135
And having the Death Star have a duct that you can shoot through to blow everything up is a cheap way to make Luke Suewalker win by your logic.

>>83706070
Because he was fucking fine enough to light saber duel and it still doesn't explain Tyrone or Rey's skill with a light saber

>>83706003
Nobody fears you, softcock.

>>83706196
But he wasn't.
He got his shit kicked in by a novice.

>>83706185

so, just using the most basic force sensitive ability to develop the story about the force being a real thing make luke a sue?

lol ok you're a millenial for sure.. you dont even understand story development and mary sue

>>83706206
Just the suspicion then.

>>83706241
Are you that dense on purpose or you're just stupid?

>>83706318

i think im just smart

>>83706241
He no doubt is a millenial, but he is doing it because he works for disney.

>>83706185
>giant space station that can blow up planets
>no known weaknesses
>extensive spy network works tirelessly to gain access to the plans
>countless spies die
>countless battles ensue
>finally get the plans
>one tiny weakness
>is well guarded
>massive space battle ensues
>many pilots die
>several pilots take the shot
>miss
>die
>the very last pilot can only make the shot because he is aided by the force
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>this is a cheap way to win
>>83706223
>shot in the gut while wearing His armor/suit
>fine enough to go by himself all the way to the surface to try to apprehend the escaping protagonist
>gets curb stomped by not one but two novices
>this is not a cheap way to have the Mary Sue win
Or
>shot in the gut
>injured
>can barely walk
>still hobbles all the way to the surface
>by himself
>to stop the protagonist
>by himself
>with no guards or backup
>loses
>this is also not a cheap way to have the Mary Sue win
You're a faggot and need to die

>>83706406
>One of the most beloved characters scarifies himself
>CHEAP!!!!1111

>>83706465
That has nothing to do with the light saber fight at the end you mong

>>83706406

> Kylo is the best padawan that luke is training

> Powerful enough to kill the rest of the younglings

> Trained by a great sith of the Ren

> get shot in the gut and still can fight but without explanation Rey becomes yoda after closed her eyes

just admit is a bad script dude

>>83706567
It has everything to do with it retard

>>83706465
It is cheap desu. They clearly just wanted a Ben Kenobi moment wherein the sage old man is cleared away.

>>83706606
It's awful

>>83706614
>let me talk to my son =/= let me die so he can be crippled and you can fight him

>>83702082
Women can do all of those things, shitlord.
Men just took over the world, in spite of women's superior strength and intelligence, and rewrote history to erase the many accomplishments of women.
Read a book.

>>83706682

nice mangina troll

>>83706678
Han scarified himself to try to redeem Kylo.
Instead of the confrontation Kylo wanted that would turn him into a real sith he's still plagued with doubt.
Him getting shot and beat afterwards was a direct punishment for murdering Han.

>>83705403
Kylo was clearly toying with Finn.
He pulls his hits multiple times before taking him down, which he did instantly the moment Finn got a glancing hit in.

This is actually detrimental to the argument that Rey beating Kylo because he was injured, since if he was clearly well enough to fuck about with Finn, his injury couldn't have been that debilitating.

>>83706834
Because Finn isn't a force user. He has no chance in hell against someone strong in the force in a light sabre duel - even when badly injured.

>>83706904
The argument is that despite Rey having no training whatsoever, Kylo would have been weak enough and clumsy enough for her to reasonably defeat him without it appearing she suddenly gained (yet another) plot power.
The point was that this only holds water if Kylo's skill was compromised by the injury, or if he was bleeding out enough for him to be significantly weaker.

It wasn't and he wasn't, and him fucking about with Finn is clear evidence of that.

>>83702082
>he hasn't read the last Jedi spoilers

That was nothing anon wait till you see what she does next

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>>83707065

amen!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>83707065
He was just strong enough to easily beat someone not force sensitive. That is not very strong at all.

It clearly shows that Kylo was even weaker than he thought when Finn managed to actually hit him.

>>83706904
nothing indicates Kylo Ren's injury was incapacitating him in any way except the fact that he is shown bleeding at some point. Then he goes on to fight normally. Nowhere during the combat is there any indication that his injury was hurting and weakening himl. I guess that would have taken away Mary Sue's merit.
I bet the injury was added afterwards when they were trying to justify why they made MAry Sue win a lightsaber duel with a guy trained by Luke and Snoke while she never held a lightsaber in her life and never heard about the Force before 2 hours ago

>>83707147
>I bet the injury was added afterwards w
Yeah because the confrontation with Han and the bow caster was not set-up at all or anything...

It's been dead since Lucas sold it. JJ just decided to piss on its grave.

>>83704136
Makes perfect sense. These are mass produced space ships by a branded company in a universe where intragalactic travel has been a thing for millenia. The interior of one honda looks pretty much like another honda aside from some incremental generational updates.

>>83707134
>He was just strong enough to easily beat someone not force sensitive. That is not very strong at all.
If he'd been weakened by Bloodloss, Kylo would have killed them both instantly.

>It clearly shows that Kylo was even weaker than he thought when Finn managed to actually hit him
Kylo instantly mauls him the moment he does so. It shows a misjudgement, not injury.
This would be justification for him being taken down by a less skilled opponent who could use that misjudgement against him, in fact it's a classic trope, but not being taken down by a non skilled opponent

>>83703546
Why do women and nu males use this as an excuse. Luke had character development and had to learn things. Rey walks into everything the smartest and best. She's instantly good at everything bc shes a woman. Just like Kathleen Kennedy wants. Face it your shit franchise is now sjw heaven

>>83705158
Rey isn't the first Vagina posessing Jedi...

>>83707264
Rey is Kathleen Kennedy self-insert in the movie. She never worked for what she has, everything was given to her by Frank Marshall, Spielberg and Lucas for free.

>>83707264
Luke is never shown to be training to be a pilot on-screen.
But then there he is in the end just handed an X-Wing in the most crucial mission better than both Rebel and Empire vets.

>>83703701
>>83703853
>>83703961
>>83703986
>>83704189
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>>83704837


To be a female or nu.male in 2017. Let it go trump won.

>>83705343
This. R1 was a better movie too.

>>83707358
Obi-Wan compares him to his father, a star pilot.
Luke mentions he's ready for the imperial academy
Biggs, a fighter pilot, tells people that Luke is his peer.
Luke casually mentions taking out tiny targets as a matter of course

Stop grasping, and tell the mouse he needs to make his movies good rather than shitting on the OT in an effort to lower the bar

>>83705837
You re arguing with nu males who were raised by single moms. They are trained from birth to hate men and attack people who don't instantly worship and praise women

>>83706788
Please, make some more shit up. He became a real with when he stabbed his father

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>>83707443
>Obi-Wan compares him to his father, a star pilot.
Yet he has never seen him piloting a space ship before.
>Luke mentions he's ready for the imperial academy
Someone who desperately wants off his boring rock says he's ready for more? Wow.
>Biggs, a fighter pilot, tells people that Luke is his peer.
Yet he has never seen him piloting a space ship before.
>Luke casually mentions taking out tiny targets as a matter of course
And Rey mentions she flew ships before.

>>83707215
>drive 100hp honda
>i can now perfectly drive a 500hp formula one honda, because they're both hondas it makes perfect sense they control the same

>>83707349
Anyone have that article where she's bragging about how she only has women working for her

>>83702082
>is the Star Wars franchise dead now?
It is to me

>>83707579
No. All the star wars fans I know thought tfa was incredible.

>>83707543
>Yet he has never seen him piloting a space ship before.
And? Unless you don't consider any of these people to be reliable, there's no reason to be surprised when Luke is, in fact, a competent Pilot that can fight in his ship

>And Rey mentions she flew ships before.
That's nice.
Where does she mention her ability maneuver broken ships through wreckage against trained fighter pilots?
Where does she mention her technical knowledge of a ship she previously thought was a broken piece of scrap?
Where does she mention her ability to resist mental interrogation?
Where does she mention learning to fight with a saber?
Where does she mention learning to use mind tricks?

The ONLY thing the narrative attempts to justify is her mechanical ability.

>>83707481
He canonly did not. The script itself and multiple other sources confirmed that he was weakened and horrified by killing Han. Adam Driver himself said very recently that Kylo's arc in TLJ is realizing that "patricide isn't all it's cracked up to be".

>>83707615
I didn't

>>83707663
>Where does she mention her ability maneuver broken ships through wreckage against trained fighter pilots?
"She flew ships before". We're not getting much more for Luke's ability either.
>Where does she mention her technical knowledge of a ship she previously thought was a broken piece of scrap?
She does say she worked on it.
>Where does she mention her ability to resist mental interrogation?
This worked because Kylo's mind is in unrest. The movies shows that.
>Where does she mention learning to use mind tricks?
We see her learning it.
>Where does she mention learning to fight with a saber?
We see her being comfortable with weapons already.

>The ONLY thing the narrative attempts to justify is her mechanical ability.
That's wrong though.
We are shown there is some mystery in her childhood and her parents, allowing to explain abilities later.
We are shown she's surviving alone in a hostile place, explaining her fighting abilities.
We are shown that she feels a strong connection to Luke's light sabre, explaining a deepening connection to the Force.

>>83707877


>hey Rey how u do that?

>Rey: i don't know


two hours of this cheap shit

>>83707877
>"She flew ships before". We're not getting much more for Luke's ability either.
Luke was praised by a Jedi and Fellow fighter pilot and was an ace shot.
Try again.

>She does say she worked on it.
Acceptable if true

>This worked because Kylo's mind is in unrest. The movies shows that.
No they didn't. They showed Rey resisting and somehow reversing the effect with no training

>We see her learning it.
We see her pull it out of her ass with no prior knowledge that it was even possible

>We see her being comfortable with weapons already.
A staff, against some no name thugs

>We are shown there is some mystery in her childhood and her parents, allowing to explain abilities later.
None of that pertains to her abilities. There has to be a narrative connection for that to count as foreshadowing, otherwise you can pull anything out of your ass and claim it was foreshadowed.

>We are shown she's surviving alone in a hostile place, explaining her fighting abilities.
Against thugs. Not pissed off Dark Jedi

>We are shown that she feels a strong connection to Luke's light sabre, explaining a deepening connection to the Force.
Luke had a deep connection to the force. it still took him years to do anything with it, despite training.

2/10, see me after class

>>83708041

stop..hes already dead

>>83708220
I know it's either bait or The Mouse, but the sad part is that some people genuinely believe this shit.
If even one person finds it helpful, I'll be happy.

>>83708041
>Luke was praised by a Jedi and Fellow fighter pilot and was an ace shot.
Obi-Wan telling the son of his "good friend" that he's like his father isn't exactly praise. And I don't know what the praise of someone who never actually seen him in a mission is supposed to be worth.

>No they didn't. They showed Rey resisting and somehow reversing the effect with no training
Yes they did. Kylo is shown to be an angry brat that lashes out and prays to a fucking mask to give him strength. That's not the behavior of someone who's got it together.
And Rey sees his big fears when he connects with her mind.
She literally says "You're afraid that you will never be as strong as Darth Vader".

>We see her pull it out of her ass with no prior knowledge that it was even possible
Kylo unintentionally showed her how to get into someone's head.

>Against thugs. Not pissed off Dark Jedi
pissed off almost dying Dark Jedi

>Luke had a deep connection to the force. it still took him years to do anything with it, despite training.
Obi-Wan's three sentences of wisdom about the Force isn't training.

>>83703546
i like how basically that's one thing, which was at least partially explained/justified by "useta blast womp rats back home" and "use the force," while Rey's shit is various and totally unexplained.

>>83708469

try again next time

>>83708405
>i've heard you've become something of a pilot yourself
Biggs literally says he's good enough because he's flown with him, and is a fighter himself. Watch the film before you reel off your list of go tos.
>Yes they did. Kylo is shown to be an angry brat that lashes out and prays to a fucking mask to give him strength. That's not the behavior of someone who's got it together.
So? He's still a fucking Dark Jedi mentally assaulting someone who hadn't even heard of the force until a few hours previously
>And Rey sees his big fears when he connects with her mind.
The fact that she did this at all is the problem.

>Kylo unintentionally showed her how to get into someone's head.
I remember getting surgery once. Guess I'll head off to the Hospital and lend a hand

>pissed off almost dying Dark Jedi
see
>>83707242
>>83707065
for why that's an outright lie

>Obi-Wan's three sentences of wisdom about the Force isn't training.
Well that was clearly referencing ESB, but you're clearly not good at working on the fly with your go to points

>>83708041
one thing is starting with a specific skill you are very good at, and still have to rely on other people until the final movie (where he decided to rely on other people anyway) because you are start being useless in every other way

the other is starting the saga with every possible skill and power maxed out.

try again, retard

>>83708659
You replied to the wrong post, friend.

>>83708557
>Biggs literally says he's good enough because he's flown with him, and is a fighter himself.
Not on-screen.

>So? He's still a fucking Dark Jedi mentally assaulting someone who hadn't even heard of the force until a few hours previously
And his mind isn't strong enough because of his issues.
>The fact that she did this at all is the problem.
It was a mistake and hubris of Kylo to open up a connection, that's apparently two-way, with Rey's mind. That exposed his big vulnerability to some Force sensitive.

>I remember getting surgery once. Guess I'll head off to the Hospital and lend a hand
You tried that retarded argument before.

>Well that was clearly referencing ESB
Presumably Rey is getting trained by a Jedi Master in the second movie as well.

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>>83708742
>Not on-screen.
he says it when Luke gets to the base before the assault, when someone questions if he'll be good enough. Watch it again

>And his mind isn't strong enough because of his issues.
>It was a mistake and hubris of Kylo to open up a connection, that's apparently two-way, with Rey's mind.
Again, Rey had literally no idea what he was doing was even conceivable until that moment. The idea she could fluke it to the point she could pinpoint his insecurities is absurd

>You tried that retarded argument before.
And you've yet to refute it

>Presumably Rey is getting trained by a Jedi Master in the second movie as well.
She'll use her time travel device to go back in time and fight Kylo in a way that won't be retarded?
Well I guess it beats the force sloth

>>83703619
A U T I S M

>>83708557
On the Rey learning from Kylo thing, you can't compare it to normal circumstances. They were literally connected to each other's minds and sharing information using the Force, feeling and understanding each other's experiences, thoughts, fears, etc. We know the Force can do some crazy things to connect people together. Rey may very well have learned things from his head and it's not comparable to a normal person watching someone do something.

In fact, I'm thinking that Rey and Kylo are now mentally connected in some way now and that'll be how Kylo tracks her down in the future. Sources keep talking about how they have a "mysterious connection" and their "destinies are intertwined", etc.

>>83708861
That's a possibility, but that's the precise sort of thing that requires foreshadowing to not come off as deus ex machina.
Otherwise, you can justify anything with the force being mysterious

>>83708833
He opened up a mental connection between them. All Rey did was push back through. I could see your point if Kylo stopped doing what he was doing and THEN Rey suddenly charged into his brain the same way he did to her. But that didn't happen. Kylo was still linking their minds and she reached out with her own power to reverse it. I doubt Kylo was expecting that.

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>>83704541
lol

>>83708892
The foreshadowing for this will be that they were in each other's heads and saw each other to the core. It was clearly unprecedented for Rey to turn Kylo's mental probing around on him. They "felt" each other and it wouldn't be that jarring for it to have created some kind of connection. Things like "Force bonds" have been canon in the past so it's not unprecedented.

>>83708984
A while back MSW said that the Kylo and Rey interrogation scene specifically would have ramifications for the future. I guess it could be what you're talking about.

>>83705874
>Experienced skyhopper pilot, vouched for by Biggs, demonstrated sufficient skill in a flight simulator (delegated scene)
Is this really that different from spending almost 2 decades of your life scavenging parts from wrecked vehicles, thereby understanding the mechanics and functions of them down to a t?
>Only through the use of the Force, possibly Obi Sam's intervention
Obi Sam lol. And? The force saves her ass in the movie too.
>he still took a hit and was about to be blasted if Han hadn't shown up.
So did Kylo Ren. She beat him because he was emotionally compromised from killing his father, shot by Chewbacca, and tired from fighting Finn. She beat him on easy mode.
>And that's it. Luke wasn't then immediately tasked with the Rebellion's most important mission. In Empire, he was just another pilot.
She's the only other force user in the galaxy, of course they want her to find Luke so he can possibly train her.

>>83704626
>didn't finish his training because he killed the other students who also didn't finish their training
>experienced
You must think Elliot Rodger has a PhD because he killed a bunch of college students.

>>83708892
>Otherwise, you can justify anything with the Force being mysterious
I mean, you kind of can. Things like the EU came up with new Force powers and abilities all the time and some were downright insane. Space magic gives you a lot to play with.

>>83708833
>he says it when Luke gets to the base before the assault, when someone questions if he'll be good enough. Watch it again
The fuck are you talking about?
The first time we ever see Luke piloting a space ship is in the final assault.

>The idea she could fluke it to the point she could pinpoint his insecurities is absurd
The idea is that when trying to invade someone's mind, you also expose your own mind. Is that so hard to get?

>And you've yet to refute it
But it already has been refuted. Not gonna repeat everything because you didn't read the thread.

>She'll use her time travel device to go back in time and fight Kylo in a way that won't be retarded?
He just killed his father and took a powerful blast that he's still bleeding from. Why do you keep completely ignoring that?

>>83709178
Somebody single-handedly wiping out a bunch of trained Jedi students is rather impressive. They were trained by the same amazing master he was.

>>83709197
You forgot that Kylo wasn't trying to kill Rey in the first place. That's a big thing people always ignore. Or they act like it's not true because they didn't pay attention.

>>83709110
>She's the only other force user in the galaxy, of course they want her to find Luke so he can possibly train her.
yeah no, so is Leia. oh, and btw why didn't Leia went to see her long lost brother herself, and just sent some redneck girl she met yesterday to him?

>>83704621
It was neither of those. TFA was an empty cahsgrab, cynically engineered to appeal to nostalgia.

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>>83709110

>understanding how a fighter jet works means you are an ace pilot

Seriously retarded.

>>83708926
b.s.

>>83709280
>empty cahsgrab,
Yeah, unlike those commercials trying to sell new light saber toys that are the prequels.
>cynically engineered to appeal to nostalgia.
Yeah Rogue One never shoves things directly lifted from the OT in your face

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even deviant art make better characters than Rey
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do not steal

>>83709369
I didn't know Lucas had a DA account.

>>83709365
>Yeah Rogue One never shoves things directly lifted from the OT in your face
holy fucking shit, maybe because its placed in the same fucking time period? do you also get annoyed when seing Panzer tanks and Garand rifles in every WW II movie?

>>83709436
Yeah the integrity of the scene required the use of AT-STs against a tiny group of infiltrators.

>now

it's been dead since 1999

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>>83702082
Nigger, Anakin Skywalker blew up a fucking enemy capital ship when he was 6 years old in the Phantom Menace

Friendly reminder

>>83704420
A bunch of characters in the Iliad were Mary Sue's too. It doesn't mean its a bad story.

>>83709474
because diversion was created in a way so that they would seem like a much larger force, which was part of the fucking plan and was explained in dialogue?

>>83709601
Hey let have those tanks fire some shells at some people inside our own base.
Completely sensible.

>>83709503

and thas why everyone think that movie was garbage ...just like this one

>>83709521

But this shit is, not because there's mary sue characters .... you can have a very op character and still make him learn something or try to put him in a very dificult situation...

is just a very bad scrip,

a mary sue with a feminist agenda

bad actress

cheap plotholes

rehash new hope script

>>83709652
I honestly don't know what are you talking about

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>>83709659
There are a thousand reasons why the Phantom Menace/the prequels are shit movies, anon.

But most people who bash TFA are prequels apologists. If you think they're both shit, you're one of the few people with a valid opinion that you're entitled to have. Congratulations.

>>83709521
name one mary sue from Iliad

>>83702082
But the force is strong with her, really strong, even untrained she is the most powerful jedi in this time and when fully trained she will rank among the most powerful jedi masters ever.

>>83705922
Everything is relative :D, to me she is a solid 9/10

>tfw the world has gotten so fucked up that throwing valid criticism at a female movie character means you instantly hate women

I'm betting 90 percent of the people in this thread defending Rey are nu males raised.by single moms. The rest are women with victim complex.

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>>83710122
Yeah, only real men call Rey a Mary Sue.

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>>83710204


hur hur nice one anon ur so smart

>>83709738
Prequels were much better than disney garbage anon

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>>83710122
>nu males
Raised by a single mom yes but no nu male at all. I do respect women though and especially single mothers, they make my heart warm.

>>83711531
>Hey guys, I'm not a nu male, I just think that nu males are right about just about everything.

Yep; anon isn't a nu male at all!

>>83711531
>no one takes my bait better false-flag
pathetic

>>83706251
The just hate you. That's all.

>>83711644
Well i am stealth-hunter/mineworker in north sweden, snow is still on the ground as i write this.

Maybe stealth is the wrong word but i mostly sneak up on big carnivores and dispatch them.

My knife and protective clothes has saved me many times when i mistaken a big bear for dead.

>>83711686
No bait needed, i was raised by a single mom in the mountains and i respected her much. She taught me everything i know and she loved me much and i loved her.

>>83709197
>The fuck are you talking about?
>The first time we ever see Luke piloting a space ship is in the final assault.
I honestly can't tell if this is bait or being plain retarded.
The idea that someone can see a post talking about a person vouching for their ability on screen, then moving the goalposts to say "b-b-but he didn't fly on screen!"
Normally I'd say bait, but they have higher standards

>The idea is that when trying to invade someone's mind, you also expose your own mind. Is that so hard to get?
When someone literally found out about the force hours ago and you expect me to believe they can actively wield it? Yes, you fucking spastic.

>But it already has been refuted. Not gonna repeat everything because you didn't read the thread.
You're not going to refute it because Mickey's cock is so far down your throat that the idea of someone critisising your beloved new movie is so repugnant that you have to shit on an actually good movie in order to distract people.

>He just killed his father and took a powerful blast that he's still bleeding from. Why do you keep completely ignoring that?
Because it wasn't impacting his ability at all, as described in those two posts you utterly ignored.
Why do you ignore that, you colossal fucking faggot?

>>83702082
Are we going to have this thread everyday? Star Wars writing has always been shit. It's a movie for kids.

>>83712836
No, don't try to trivialized what Disney did. It's complete garbage made of 40 years old leftovers mixed with social engineering and feminism. If that's what Star Wars was made of, there would never have been any sequel to ANH and it would be forgotten

Would anyone else ask out Daisy Ridley if she wasn't an actress? I probably would. She's cute.

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>>83702082
All of your points have been refuted 1000 times on this board.

lurk moar

>>83702082

The force. You new to this?

>>83713300
This.


Star Wars meant something. Now its fuck all men, fags are awesome and everyone should be one, white people are bad and all other races are awesome, the force is female, and all guys suck because feminism.

>>83713579
Surely you jest.

>>83713603
>Star Wars meant something.
my sides

Rey is a stronk independent womyn who deosn't need no man or training or anything because she can do aaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnything all by herself ALONE!!!

>>83709759
Everyone that the gods protected and the gods themselves. Odysseus Mary Sued his way through the Odyssey

i cant wait to see poe and finn buttfuck god disney saved the franchise by doing this this will be better than any star wars movie to date even the holiday special