>IM ALL IN

AMAWLIN

>>83670435
dwan is a fucking faggot
negreanu is /ourguy/

>>83670435
>I'm in, and for that reason, I'm out

>>83670578
Funny enough both are ovbious faggots.

Post the turn and river, it'll probably end up two Qs.

The only thing less entertaining than playing cards is watching other people play cards

>>83670766
t. brainlet

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>>83670766
>He doesn't remember the poker boom

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*blocks your ear canals with incessant talking*

>>83670766
>he doesn't play poker
Absolutely pathetic

>>83670845
>>83670904
>>83670813
I just don't enjoy sitting at a table and staring at my fucking hands all night.

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>>83670435
Dwan, the poker chips

>>83670578
I love watching Negreanu read people

>>83670985
But I bet you do sit alone in your room and stare at a screen all night don't you you fucking loser faggot

>>83671113
>calling me a loser faggot when you like poker

kek

KEK

>>83670892
>sit down at the 5/10 table at crown
>high as fuck on ecstasy
>only one not wearing sunglasses at fucking 2am
>be chatty as fuck, these fat autos a cant talk about anything other poker
>play loosest fuck and btfo out them with balls and luck for 2 hours
>take all the chips of fat, balding Manlet #2
>"wait here, I'll be back!"
>Pile my chips into carriers and leave right after he leaves

Thanks for the $3,100 you fucking losers

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>>83671113
Stare at this dubs, mutha sucka

>>83670892
What's the name of this haircut?

>>83670578
Negreanu is a literal homosexual. Not judging, but you called Dwan a faggot.

>>83671150
I can understand someone like you not enjoying a game requiring you to be around people let alone having to strategize and read off their emotions
>>83671166
Star'd

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Checked.

>>83670578
Anyone who likes Negreanu in 2017 hasnt played poker outside of 20$ homegames and is clueless about poker.

>>83671176

Slavcut.

>>83670985
If that's what you were doing then it's obvious why you weren't winning.

>>83671150
>he doesnt like to take free money from retards

There is an underground club where I live where I can waltz in and earn on average 200$ an hour because people are literally clueless. I dont go there often though, maybe once every 3 weeks, because they dont like good people who are there and win all the time. Last time I was there I won 1200$. Its a nice padding in addition to normal wage.

was craig bonds casino royale 100% responsible for the poker boom?

>>83671437
More rake is better though

>>83671339
Kek

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This is now a Tony G thread.

>MFW they bring out more Russians.

>>83671960
>ON YOUR BIKE, GO ON

>>83670766
im willing to bet you fucking suck

>>83670435

CHECK YOUR PRIVILEGE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyTQScIcQCc

How to get good at poker?

>>83672166
Just be yourself.

>>83671339

Nice trips.

>>83671960
based tony g is a real life shitposter

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I had trips.

>>83672166
just bee yourself

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>>83671702
It probably helped, but the televised poker tournaments were becoming popular before that film, and I think that subculture gaining popularity was one of the reasons it was changed to it from Baccarat for "modernizing" the Craig version.

>>83671339
Nice.

>>83672166
Learn about probability.

>>83672166
practice until you are a calculator from memory, i.e you know average percentage chances of winning based on your hand and the table at all times

and then DONT play like a calculator, because better players will catch you out, however playing the odds against scrubs will usually give you victory

never get angry
be patient, if you feel your emotions starting to flare, its not the time to be making risky bets

>>83672295
Thanks RNGesus

>>83672316
But I thought the game has been solved and all the best players are human calculators now

>>83672166
Poker in the front liquor in the back

>>83670766
For some reason almost all televised poker is tournaments. Cash games are much more interesting and actual real poker.

RIP High Stakes Poker ...

>>83672366
if you play like a calculator and people clock on, you will never win big hands because people always know when you have good cards and won't bet loads against you

>>83672163
Could this realistically be even more cringy?

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Who was in the wrong here?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvLswlcSyUg

>>83670435
>be me
>final table
>other dude goes MAULIN
>try to do chip tricks
>fail
>try to see his poker face
>forget I'm wearing my hoodie and I sinched the hood tight to the point of being unable to see
>just start sweating and ask them to give me hints to what cards they have
>"don't tell me the suit...but what color are they?"
>"are they high or low numbers?"
>dude won't budge
>get pissed
>just start screaming at him to tell me if he's bluffing
>I fold my two kings in a fit of rage

Fucking chads need to go back to football and stay away from our table games

>>83672295
LMAO

>>83671960
There were plenty of Russians at PokerStars in Sochi (no kidding)

Look out for Vlad Troyanovski, Pavel Shirshikov, Kakmazov and Bubnov

>>83671245
Dwan is also a homo. I called it when he first got rich at 21 and he moved into a mansion with his male "friend."

>>83672163
wow what a baby, who knew you could make a Canadian cry by just talking to them

>>83671702
I know in Canada the NHL having a season long lockout led to basically poker being shown on tv all day long cuz we had nothing else to watch.

>>83672366
Short-stacked heads-up poker has been solved. With big stacks or multiple players, no.

Someone post the video where that model rekts the pro player.

>>83672731
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCO0c7fJ1pQ

This is what happens when you think with your penis.

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>>83672514
>"don't tell me the suit...but what color are they?"

>>83672768
>numnum
Also wtf that commentator is creepy af.

>>83671702
think it's more anyone with a computer having access to online poker and thinking if they can win $50 there they are ready for high-stakes poker in Vegas.

>>83672163
Poker heels are the best reason to watch, sad the cards didn't keep Kassouf in longer that year.

>>83672716
Short stack/big stacks?

>>83672442
But then you could take everyone with an insane bluff and start winning pots

I only used to watch poker to see helmuth get bad beat, the salt was real.

>>83672955
Usually 50 big blinds or less is small stack, 200 and over big stack / deep stack

>>83673569
So they use more decks in big stacks? Or is it just because the longer the game goes on, the harder it gets to solve computationally?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6F8Y6mSo44

Blocks your hand

>>83673624
Just one deck. The thing about short stack poker is that there's too few chips to make complex moves or bluffs. It's essentially bet, flop, all-in ; so in general playing only good cards means you win.

>>83673723
*checks your chips*

>>83672968
Then you're not playing like a calculator

>>83674252

>implying there is no math behind bluffing

>>83674252
You don't want to play like that because you become obvious to opponents. Also the retards that wear glasses and conceal their faces should be banned from playing. Shit is retarded, if you don't have the nerve to conceal what kind of hand you've been dealt without resorting to wearing sunglasses/big hats or a burqa then you shouldn't be playing at all. Fuck them, they also tend to be ugly muffin heads.
>>83674303
There isn't, not really, it's just hope that no one will realise that you've got a crappy hand and it shows that that player has a gambling addiction. Fix yourself.

>>83674352
>There isn't, not really

Mixed strategies is like the second thing you learn in a game theory class.

>>83674616
you are trying to come off as a super smart autist right now, but if you actually had any kind of knack for mathematics you would understand why the point you are arguing in favour of is absolute bullshit

now fuck off runt

>>83674651
Explain it to us then, professor.

>>83674651
he's right though
it's why most longtime poker players get beat out by rookies in tournaments eventually

>>83670703
Kek

>>83672511
The dealer for not checking if he asked for clock after the two stipulated minutes of waiting.

>>83672511
i hate that filthy guy

>>83671015
Thanks for that. Worlds do collide.

>>83673712
Vicky is so t h i c c

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>>83670766
>this guy

>>83673712
YASSSSSSSSSSSSS
QUEEEEEEEEEEEEN
SLAYYYYYYYYYYYY

>>83674941
>>83675030
It's great that Vicky has won so much in tournaments. It funds how badly she plays in cash and how much I've won from her.

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>>83674651
>>83674711
>>83674749
elaborate on this convo

>>83675078
She's a good player but not the best, she's too fat and she's married a really ugly guy.
>>83674616
So we've gone from "playing solely like a calculator" to "mixed strategy".

Are you high right now? I'm arguing against one play style because it leaves you vulnerable. Besides poker is boring, I gave up playing that shit a while ago. Sometimes still watch or play the odd fun game online but it's a bore, full of smelly people that smell bad and look greasy. You know that I am correct.

>>83671166
Very nice

>>83671015
i never say this but this is an underratted post

>>83670435
Just once I want a poker championship tournament where everyone goes all in on the first hand

>>83672166
It's literally all luck
People can screech like autistists all day about tells and body language but if you don't have good cards you will never win and the cards are all luck.

>>83677625
> can't tell if trolling or just really really stupid

>>83673118
HONEY, HE RAISED ME WITH JACK-TEN!

ALL IN

>>83671562
Haha nice blog post bro *subscribes*

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jesus christ so much shitty advice.

professional live poker player here, living in LA, playing full time.
i really dont care if you dont believe me, just ignore this.

if you have any questions shoot them my way -- ill keep the thread open.

sorry about the pic, its all i had handy

>>83677625

wrong. its all about probability in the long run. If you play the odds correctly, the numbers have to work out over time.

so while you may experience short term bad / good luck, the numbers always work themselves out

>>83679615

How many times a year do you go north and hide your big chips against an amateur?

>>83671702
No; the replacement of baccarat with poker in that movie was a result of the boom, not the instigator of it. The FBI's decision to treat poker as a game of skill and not to try too hard to enforce the laws against online gambling were the chief reason it grew. The sites making money off of it plowed it all into sponsoring poker TV shows to get more users.

It worked great. Then the FBI shut them all down and suddenly poker was completely off television and consumer interest was gone within a year.

>>83679749

are you referring to the alec torelli thing? it's a weird spot, because im not sure he would even give a shit enough to try angle shooting like that , but at the same time someone with as much experience as him should just keep those large chips visible as second nature...

so not sure what really happened there.

but no, i do not intentionally do that

>>83679868

What about going north or south though in home games?

>>83679904

Depends on the home game... Just a personal decision on whether you want to angle shoot or not

No real poker strategy here.

>>83679615
poker is all bullshit isnt it? its just a bunch of luck and some probability.

>>83672295
i hate 1 outs

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>>83672295

>>83678575
buddy, you're an idiot

>>83680691
actually it's a 2-outer so only half as bad.

Oppenheim was nailing some of the nights on the 2016 shows I caught for reruns when I was visiting family. Holy shit he was demolishing Dwan.

>>83672295
what exactly happened here?

>>83680846
the other 9 gives a queen high flush

>>83680933
well ... fuck. 1 it is.

>>83680894
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lK4ouRWGHHI

>people complain about baseball or golf but then they later unironically watch people playing poker on TV

What did they mean by this?

>>83681076
Poker really makes you think.

>>83680376
>>83680376

thats actually a more complicated answer than you think it is..

people vastly underestimate live variance. and to be honest luck is more involved than pros like to admit.

all you can really do is play the odds correctly, try and put yourself in good positions, and hope that you're not on the wrong side of variance for any extended period of time.
bluffing isnt as big of a part of the game as some people think it is. bluffing is only really used when blockers are involved.

the dark secret though is that there are some people who simply run better (or worse) than others.

luck is a bell curve, and some people are outliers.

most people fall in the middle though, and with proper play can have positive expected value and make money long term

>>83671702
I'd say rounders more then any other movie, online and espn airing it 24/7

Why tf do people watch poker?

>>83681243

because if you understand the game its engaging. you judge their moves, you cheer good bluffs and feel the crushing blow when they hit a 1 outer.

if you dont understand the game on any type of deeper level, then im sure its boring as shit

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>>83681243
because they enjoy watching it.

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Have they found Dwan's body yet in China? It's crazy how one minute I was playing against Dwan on fulltilt where he would hit and run for like 40 dollars at 1/2 nl tables , the next minute he is playing for multi millions in cash games, and then the next he takes his whole bankroll to Macau China for min entry to play against the worlds richest billionaires and loses it all and goes missing. Roller Coaster life I guess.

>>83681378
>loses it all and goes missing.
Citation needed. I haven't played poker in years, what happened? When I quit he was one of the biggest winners.

>>83681423
Dwan's a mafia sextoy now.

>>83681423
What happens to all gamblers eventually, they don't know when to stop and lose it all.

>>83681243
I can see how it would be fun to look at strategy and tells, especially when they're dealing with a lot of money. I've only ever watched it drunk, though.

>>83672511
literally autism

>>83671113
>this projecting

lmoa

wwyd?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTN5l1Xjrks

>>83672166
play a lot

there are books you can read too

>>83681460
Thats part of the game.

>>83681706
I would jump on the table and hurl my feces at the dealer..

>>83672166
Play with brazilians, romanians and russians.

>>83681821
reasonable response. i might do the same.

>>83681821
>>83681861

It's up to the player to protect their cards for exactly this kind of reason. If you play long enough this happens more than you'd think. That's why you see people put chips or 'mascots' on top of their cards.

>>83681909
Yeah yeah, I know that..
She was all in though, it was pretty obvious she was in the hand.

>>83670435
All in what?

>>83670766
This
What the fuck is wrong with you people. "Oh look he's fidgeting with his chips again for 20 minutes"

>>83681378
there is footage of him playing last year.

>>83681154
>bluffing is only really used when blockers are involved
bluffing is too wide a concept to explain as simply as that.

>>83671164
I'm sure they appreciate the sklanksy's you fucking donkey.

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>>83679615
*Blocks your freedom*

>>83679615
I'm worth 5 million. How much are you worth?

>>83682254
>>83682254

oh yeah i agree big time.

as with almost any spot in poker, proper play all depends on a large variety of variables happening at the time.

i was just trying to clue people in that bluffing isnt just about having balls. there is a method to it

>>83682331
>>83682331

im not a big time pro tournament player. im not worth any amount worth bragging about.

im just getting by, grinding it out, hoping to keep moving up the stakes

>>83682356
That sucks.

>>83682331
5 million and one

>>83670766
I don't even play poker, but watching WSOP is extremely entertaining.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0h0pPOFLx0
This is pretty bad too, the floor official should get a face full of feces!

>>83682424
>>83682424
What does he bark for?

>>83682362

you worth 5mil from playing?

or other means?

>>83682442
Establishing dominance

>>83679615
hey, winning EU online player, playing anywhere with decent RB, and if games are dead then stars.

what stakes you play? How much freedom you get to table select? what is standard open sizes and do you vary sizes?

>>83671702
I would bet maverick starring Mel Gibson did

>>83682470
He should have pissed on him if he wanted to do that

>>83681706
Ensure that this shit doesn't happen by protecting my cards. Idiots, also Justin Schwartz is a heroin addict spazzoid.

>>83681378
Where the fuck are all you anons playing where you regularly run into high-profile professionals?

>>83682424
>We've ran out of Bort name keyrings
>My son is also named Bort

>>83682578
kek

>>83682578
kek

>>83682551
Fulltilt is (or was) a poker online site. Don't know if it's still around because I haven't played poker in a long time and In USA you couldn't play online during a period for cash. Anyway, Dwan back in the day (I'd say 2008 or 2009) use to hit and run small cash games to build his bank roll. At the time he used the full tilt cat avatar and he became sort of a joke among everyone because he didn't play honest and many refused to sit the hand when he came to the table.

>>83682652
What is hitting and running?

>>83682610
>>83682626
But in all seriousness poker is for stinky people that don't wash, I used to be a stinky person when I played but I wash now and look and smell clean.

POKER A STINKY!

>>83670435
>heh...snake eyes

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>>83682774
>>83682652
>Not using 888 poker
>mfw America banned online poker
>mfw freedom

>>83682801
kek

>>83682831
the recent adverts for 888 implies there is some kind of player segregation going on, how is this in reality?

>>83681423
There are many stories and rumours. Like most high stakes poker players he's a complete degenerate gambler. He lost a shit load of money in Macau and owes millions to Dan Cates. I think he lost one pot that was worth 20 million KEK.

He hasn't done shit in poker both live and online in years. The guy is probably some chinaman's sex slave.

>>83682884
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CUTuruXVPA

>>83682875
There is only racial segregation, 888 poker knows if you're white or not by how much you deposit into your player account. If you're a cheapskate then you don't get to play, in fact you get banned and the police arrest you for being poor.

But in all seriousness yes there is segregation because 888 is a recruitment site like most others where sponsors look for skilled players and recruit them, hence the elitism and separate rooms for the better players.

You should know this though?

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>>83682942
>Where's the Triad member making sure he doesn't leave after he wins?

>>83681378
>>83681423
phil hellmuth said in an interview that tom dwan is doing pretty well
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ja25s_uUDCw

>>83682959
I don't play 888, may do though. On some sites they have tables where you can only play one at a time, figured it'd be something like that. If you get a few rooms going they can be pretty juicy though. Ipoker on a friday is ridiculous.

>>83671015
That you, Bluffin' Ted?

>>83683015
I haven't played in a while because it's STINKY STINK STINK but yeah there's elitist tables but those aren't a bad thing imo.

If you do join 888 they give you £20 free play so enjoy! Not that I endorse them or any other gambling site, just don't get suckered in by it, I can see how poker, blackjack and others can be addictive, not even about winning cash but just playing. It's a strange one, don't get into debt, I used to know someone that was/is £100,000 worth of debt, he was on Jeremy Kyle show. No joke.

>>83672163
fucking torontofags

>>83682831
>playing obviously rigged online poker at all

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>>83682942
Wow. Tom Confirmed dead by Triads. They payed off poker tv to film a previous tournament he was in as new footage. Holy shit. He is wearing the exact same clothes in pic posted.

>>83683278
Come to the UK and watch late night television, most of it is poker/roulette and infomercials. Fucking Gibraltar with all its gambling. I don't play online anymore and if I do it's usually just fun/free with no real cash used. Developed a bit of a craving for Mahjong, it's a fun, easy and pointless game those crazy Japanese with their weird tiles. Love those guys.

>>83672934
kassouf is a funny guy, don't think he's that good though really, also no mention of online probably down sums on it. He played Stacey Matewso or w.e her name is HU and didn't even study at all for it.

>>83673569
no limit HU only really solved to 10BB

>Tom Dwan goes ghost for 3 years
>randomly starts posting out of nowhere on his official twitter last month
>100 rapid tweets against Donald Trump and how he knows secret info on Russian connection

Has this kid lost his mind in China?

>>83683278
I love those rigged videos on youtube, watching it expecting to see some database analysis and it's just a few hands with some spewtard moaning xD

>>83683453
Too much Mahjong, it can get crazy.

>>83672768
puffy face having bitchhhhhhh

>>83672163
Benger is a faggot.

>>83682473
>>83682473

hey sorry im just getting to this.

i play 5/5 and 5/10.

table hopping is completely normal and not frowned upon and a regular occurrence. I change tables frequently.

when you get there just get on the wait list, then when you sit down and get your chips, feel free to walk around and look at the other tables. if you want on one, you just ask the floorman to put you on the table change list. then whenever a seat opens up, you have first dibs if you want it. happens all day every day, people are always switching around.

standard open is 3x bb + 1 bb per limper. never vary based on the strength of your hand, makes you very easy to read/play against.

>>83683518
Mahjong is probably big draw to people who think they've 'solved' poker

>>83683621
I kinda meant random varying. Played live a bit and the opens were way bigger than that, made playing short stack very profitable. That was 2/5 though. Not even rolled for it but will play ss sometimes.

>>83683748
Nah, it's just relaxing. Also Benger is a bender.

>>83683748
people who think they've solved poker or that poker is solved? Gotta assume MJ is easier to solve than non-fixed limit poker

>>83683754
>>83683754

oh yeah fish vary opening sizes like crazy.

and i should clarify, you always want to adapt to the table. so if 4xbb is standard open, then do that.

but yeah some people have no concept and will like 10xbb open utg . just have you adjust your range based on their perceived range

>>83672511
he played it straight and got rewarded

>>83683826
How do you "solve" a game of chance?

>>83672262
Underrated post

>>83683879

limit holdem is solved.

6 max sit n gos are solved.

there are correct moves that have positive expected value in the long run

>>83671960
can someone post some good unknown Tony G games? I've seen all his main shit. I actually watch the full games with him and Mike I enjoy the banter and how much fun Tony makes the game look even when he's losing.

>>83681154
>the dark secret though is that there are some people who simply run better (or worse) than others.
>luck is a bell curve, and some people are outliers
are you implying there's an inherent component to luck that persists between games, or just that some people will have good luck at a bunch of games because there are so many people participating that someone has to?

>>83683927
If this isn't possible, optimal play in every situation would also count as solution

>>83684063
well to be honest the whole GTO thing people talk is a bit of an oxymoron because most of the time the most optimum play is the one the exploits your opponent the most, but what GTO refers to is more the perfect balanced equilibrium of spots, bet sizings etc.. which may give you an idea of how it is so much easier to work out for HU. it's only when you get to reg wars at the top of HU or 6max with GTO=the most optimum strat.

>>83683927
6max nlhe sngs? Link me?

>>83670435
anyone remember Barry Greenstein from maybe 10 years back? my dad went to school with him and kept trying to meet him but it turns out barry was the nerd in school so he didnt have any friends and my dad would pick on him. dun goofed

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OF COURSE I LIED! IT'S POKER

>>83684439
greenstein one of the few winning players from the old school

>>83684053
I think all that guy is saying is results won't necessarily reflect skill. Particularly live because hands are slower. You can play 100k cash hands and still be heavily above or below expectation

>>83684482
Tony G is a real life Australian shitposter. I love him.

>>83684609
losing player

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>>83684609
does he walk among us?

>>83670578
t. faggot canadian gtfo nigger

>>83672511
He is the worst type of fat

>>83671015
holy shit lol...the chips

>>83672511
>clack clack clack clack clack

Oh my fucking god, ban them for clacking their fucking chips

Like listening to some faggot on a mechanical keyboard

>>83679615
What books do you recommend for beginners and more advanced?

What do you recommend beginners do to learn?

>>83671015
HONEY!!!!!

>>83686647
Not him but an online player. Can only answer for NLHE. Best general book I've read is "Harrington on Cash Games: How to Play No-Limit Hold 'em Cash Games"
Peter Clarke has an e-book, which is very good for modern cash games called "The Grinders Manual".
A very good theoretical book is "Applications of No-Limit Hold 'em" by Mathew Janda.
Possibly the most complex and advanced book currently available is"The Mathematics of Poker" by Bill Chen, which I haven't read but is apparently very complicated.

>>83672768
fucking kek

>>83685263
Classic Tony G

>>83672768
why would he fold thats unbelievable

>>83683288
maybe he only has one pair of clothes

>>83672511
Fuck that little nigger. Even all the other players knew that was bullshit.

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>>83672768
GOD WHAT A FUCKING RETARD

>>83688299
she is shit at poker but the third barrel was a good play.

>>83670435
>Playing poker

Mahjong is objectively superior

>>83689430
>muh jong

kys

>>83677625
Body language is actually shit tells

>>83687653
>>83687796
>>83688299

I can understand why he folded. It's the first hand of the tournament so he has zero read on how she plays and if he is losing, and a lot of hands do beat him, then he's knocked out straight away and that would be just as embarrassing.

In total ignorance she played the hand so strongly as >>83688337 says, that if she did have the hand she was representing then he can't be winning.

It's one of the reasons pro players always say playing against complete beginners is the hardest as you can never put them on a hand.

Blackjack>poker

>>83672768
>good laydown

wut

>>83690178
tic-tac-toe > blackjack

>>83671500
*zing

correct btw

>>83672262
quality poker meme

>>83690039
I agree. When it comes to aggro fish (more in cash than tourneys) they spew so much that it makes sense to make mathematically -ev folds in more spots and wait to stack them.

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>no Tilly tiddies in this thread

>>83694448
i love that she loves to slut it up

>>83671015
Give me the chips Dwan

>>83672511
>calling for the clock after 50 seconds
Utter bullshit. Schwartz was definitely in the wrong for abusing the rules, but it's a competition and he did what he could to win. The real question is why the timekeepers would even allow the clock to be called after less than a minute has passed.

>>83670435
I find it difficult to believe that people actually enjoy watching a bunch of dipshits sit around fiddling with tiny pieces of paper.

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>>83683000

I will check those trips though

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>>83671015

I see the resemblance in posture too

>>83672768
What an absolute fucking retard. Seriously. Everything about her play looked weak.

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You are a bunch of idiots. Poker shows are completely scripted, just like wrestling. They just generate drama and shock. It's not real.

>>83694725

Why's that so hard to believe? Lots of people enjoy reading a bunch of dipshits sitting around posting retarded things on a Mongolian tin can telephony network.

They must enjoy it, otherwise why would so many people be here, right?

>>83694483
its a great strategy actually

>>83677625
Wow, if only people were playing a lot of hands

>>83674352
>Yeah I'm very good at concealing my hand. The key is to cover your entire face, never say a word and look down the whole game