Shouldn't Starfleet have like a million ships?

>>83663129
They are an exploratory organization. Not a military one.

>>83663166
>>83663166

then who represents the military organization to protect earth and its ally star systems in the alpha quandrant?

File: omegastation-theomegadirective[1].jpg (49KB, 640x480px) Image search: [Google]

49KB, 640x480px

>>83663191
delete this.

File: b8a01cc85e2fb4683f936ea119dc39c4.jpg (111KB, 800x800px) Image search: [Google]

111KB, 800x800px

>>83663129
>control the most of the Alpha Quadrant.

But they don't.

Star Trek takes place in a very small section of the Alpha and Beta Quadrants.
Most maps of the galaxy in Star Trek look something like this.

>>83663191
planets have their regular defense force
basically the Federation is like an EU that isn't shit

>>83663288
This is cool.

Someone should make a good star trek movie, the lore seems fun.

File: 1495548154975.png (101KB, 1014x902px) Image search: [Google]

101KB, 1014x902px

I'm about to start bingeing TOS now, without having seen any star trek before. What am i in for? I'm hoping it's comfy as fuck.

>>83663311
>>83663311

if this is true, then i would rather watch a series about the military branch of star trek wrecking shit or getting wrecked

>>83663317
Wouldn't that be something? A good Star Trek movie? Probably never happen in my life time... :(

>>83663344
That's called stargate

File: Alexander_Marcus.jpg (15KB, 397x479px) Image search: [Google]

15KB, 397x479px

reminder that he did nothing wrong

>>83663319
btw i should be watching in release order, right? not in-universe chronology? (is there a difference?)

>>83663288
This is bullshit, since when is the UFP, the Romulans, and the Klingons in the beta quadrant?

>>83663374
>>83663374

but i specifically want a star trek version
plus, isn't star trek more advance then star gate?

>>83663382
he killed millions

>>83663414
>>83663414

who did he kill?

File: DEFVEG.jpg (1MB, 2026x2144px) Image search: [Google]

1MB, 2026x2144px

>>83663166
Starfleet also represents the military you brainlet.

I swear to god you people are being this stupid on purpose.

>>83663448
both not canon

>>83663129
Only 3 Federation members contribute 2% of their GDP to exploration.
#MEGA

>>83663410
In the first few seasons stargate is relatively primitive. Then they skyrocket like crazy.
In Star Trek ships need thousands of years to cross the galaxy
In Stargate they go to he next galaxy in 3 month with slow settings, 3 days if they bring the magic battery.
A 24th century StarTrek ship is no match for a 21th century Stargate ship

>>83663458
http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Starfleet

>Starfleet was the deep space exploratory and defense service maintained by the United Federation of Planets. Its principal functions included the advancement of Federation knowledge about the galaxy and its inhabitants, the advancement of Federation science and technology, the defense of the Federation, and the facilitation of Federation diplomacy.

Its role is both exploratory and military. If you think otherwise, you're a tourist poser who's never actually followed Star Trek and should promptly kill yourself immediately.

>>83663498
show me one quote in any of the episodes where they say they are the military section of the federation

>>83663498
>>83663552
don't fall for it

>>83663552
Show me one quote in any of the episodes where they say they are purely exploratory and not military.

>>83663552
This is bait. He drops it in every Trek thread. No one take it.

>>83663498
Why are they always so outgunned?

Just watched beyond and the enterprise gets reckt by a swarm of mining drones.

Youd think with how many horrible, deadly situations they get into theyd create some new weapons.

Also it would be interresting to see them handle situations with aggressive but technologically inferior races, it seems Star Trek captains need to talk their way out of getting destroyed by a stronger foe every second episode.

File: Xjm7vbV.jpg (841KB, 4000x3000px) Image search: [Google]

841KB, 4000x3000px

I've brought this up multiple times when Trekkies bitch about Yorktown being too big or advanced.

The Federation has a population literally in the trillions according to DS9.

150 main member planets with probably tens of thousands of colonies, space stations etc.

Lets say they have a population of 1 trillion.

Starfleet was say, 1% of the population.

That is 1 billion members in starfleet.

Average crew compliment of a starship is like 200?

That should be 5 million ships.

But lets say half of starfleet work in administration, space stations etc.

That should leave atleast two million five hundred thousand ships.

But the battle of Wolf 359 destroyed 40 ships and Starfleet was completely decimated.

40 ships.

That means out of 150 fucking member worlds, pretty much 1 ship services 3 fucking worlds.

Because Star Trek was a TV show and didn't have CGI for the most part, they could never, ever show the Federation at the scale it should have been. Star Trek Beyond and Yorktown I think is the first real showing of how fucking insanely big the Federation actually is.

Good example is the Galaxy Class. Actually supposed to have a crew of 6000, but because of the budget for extras, they had to cut it down to the hundreds (I think it's roughly like 900 or something in TNG).

Same as why every fucking alien city or colony in Trek is like 3 adobe buildings and the city square is a courtyard with 3 cart fabric and fruit peddlers.

>>83663129
Because the Federation Council is filled with SJW aliens who are opposed to increases in military spending and are vehemently against being seen as anything more than freedom loving hippies by the rest of the galaxy.

>>83663833
not all members produce spaceships or have the technology

>>83663552

Half of Kirk's son's dialogue in wrath of khan for starters, you fucking mongoloid.

>>83663319
why would you be a normie for watching the reboot movies if you already watched everything else in the series?

>>83663892
All member worlds of the Federation have to have Warp technology.

It's part of the Prime directive. You cannot contact a world that has not achieved Warp.

>>83663905
the movies don't count, they were made for casuals that didn't know star trek
you would know this if you weren't a retard, sadly you are

>>83663937
except all the time that happens in TOS
try watching the show sometime

>>83663937
Yet Picard does that all the time(at least in the first season, where I am now)

>>83663402
Earth is on the line.

Most of the Federation is in Alpha, but Romulans, Klingons and shit are in the Beta.

>>83663954
TOS is barely canon.

Romulans don't even have Warp technology in TOS. Hell the Federation isn't actually really a thing, the Enterprise is a United Earth ship under the United Earth Space Probe Agency.

>>83663485
This is True. The Hammond alone could take down most advanced Star Fleet ships.

>>83664004
Yeah right, they why didn't it use those fancy Asgardian beam weapons against Lucian Alliance Ha'taks in SGU?

File: Nemesis_059[1].jpg (64KB, 700x530px) Image search: [Google]

64KB, 700x530px

>>83663905
>kirks son

>>83663191
The Empire

but it is still ridiculous that the borg destroyed 40 ships at wolf 359 and starfleet was "decimated" lmao

it's like saying the germans destroyed 40 russian tanks, the russians are decimated

File: 1432375093793.jpg (318KB, 904x917px) Image search: [Google]

318KB, 904x917px

>>83664151

>>83663344
>>83663410
There needs to be a Mirrorverse Star Trek series.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5QLokGTdyg

>>83664033
You don't think the Hammond was retro fitted with Asgard beam technology?

>>83664127
For that sector. They literally have hundreds of ships but they were all over the place.

>>83663166

>starfleet is responsible for the defense of the federation as well as fighting it's wars
>isn't the military

Why do people persist with this meme?

>>83664004
Only downside to sg's earth ships is being heavily outnumbered. Wraith were about the only thing that could really dish out as good as they got through overwhelming firepower and numbers

>>83664193
because they actually watched the show

>>83664151
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uxTpyCdriY

>>83663552

The two whole seasons of DS9 where starfleet fought a war?

>>83664004
Because they don't like killing

>>83664193
Starfleet is a civilian defence force, not a military.

>>83664188
If it Hammond did indeed have Asgard beam technology, without breaking a sweat it would have turned those ships into dust with a couple of volleys, seeing how it was powerful enough to destroy an Ori battleship. Instead they Col.Carter shoot conventional weapons at them which not only damages the ship but destroys Icarus aswell.

>>83664211
They're going to have to build at the very least, one hundred ships. Just a handful will not cut it. And they need to revisit psychic abilities. Every ship should have a prior or two.

>>83664188
yeah, they should change that by a factor of 10 at least

like 400 ships were 1 day away and were able to gather or something

not 40 lmao

hundreds of ships is also ridiculous lmao - it should be hundreds of thousands of ships

>>83663129
Space is vast and their primary mission is exploration. I'd expect their ships to be scattered all over known space and even at warp it takes time to put together a strike force.

>>83664222
whys this exist

>>83663844
To be fair there are super secret groups in the federation whose entire purposes are furthering the federations war capabilities. The population in general might get hurtburt about it but the shits what kept em from being overtaken by countless shit

>>83664266
>hundreds of ships is also ridiculous lmao - it should be hundreds of thousands of ships

There's no need for 100k science ships all doing the same science over top of each other. The same goes for a peace keeping force. Space in Star Trek is very sparsely populated and those populations are pretty small, planet to planet. It isn't like Star Wars where nearly everything is colonized except the backwaters.

>>83664265
>Dat feel when we never got to see both SG teams baiting the Ori & Wraith into a fight

>>83664357
In the Legacy books sg1 is helping out in the fight against the wraith

>>83664266
yeah, but the folks themselves probably use fucking ships to get around, like total civilians

they at least need shields and phasers to blow up debris and shit -- call them in, like how the british called in anyone with a boat to help at dunkirk

>>83664318
yeah, but the folks themselves probably use fucking ships to get around, like total civilians

they at least need shields and phasers to blow up debris and shit -- call them in, like how the british called in anyone with a boat to help at dunkirk

>>83664318
yeah, but the folks themselves probably use fucking ships to get around, like total civilians

they at least need shields and phasers to blow up debris and shit -- call them in, like how the british called in anyone with a boat to help at dunkirk

why do people want starfleet to be a military organization so bad?

>>83664517
Because we want space battles and pew-pew lasers.

>>83663833
America has a ridiculous military budget and still doesn't have 1% of its population in the army.

But there was a scale change between TNG and DS9, in TNG 40 ships is a decent fleet, but in DS9 individual fleets are 1000+ ships

>>83663166
In the fed, everything larger than a baby buggy has photon torpedos and phasers. They arnt a pacifist organization. The Fed ONLY makes military ships and their exploration is a masquerade.

>>83664671
Eddington pls

The truth is the Feds are just way more advanced than the rest, which is why their multi-purpose ships can match dedicated warships from other races

>>83664693
>Theirs shields are pretty good, i guess.
This was the only compliment iv ever heard a anyone say about starfleet ships.

>>83664771
Then why do they keep winning wars

>>83663920
if you already watched them why do you need a start guide dumbass?

File: the-imperium-vs-warhammer-40k.jpg (114KB, 1093x747px) Image search: [Google]

114KB, 1093x747px

>>83663129
The Federation of Planets isn't heavily militarized like other sci-fi nations. Starfleet's ships aren't even properly armed for a war. Their mission is exploration afterall.

>>83664797
Killingons are retarded
Romulans are smaller
Borg are retarded
Dominion only lost due to space gods taking all their ships

>>83664835
>This small star empire mentality

>>83663448
>I swear to god you people are being this stupid on purpose.

>i was pretending to be retarded

>>83664849
The Romulans and Dominion are respectable. All the rest arnt.
The federation never beat these two in a fair fight.

>>83664868
The Klingons could beat the Romulans by themselves. The Feds would stomp them if they went on a full war footing

>>83664831
>Lasers, missiles and conditional canons
They couldn't even penetrate a starfleet ships navigational shields.
Vortex missiles and warp based teleport bording actions would be their only means of attack.

This would only be effective until they divert power to the deflectors array and modulate it to maximum gellar.

>>83664942
>Can't deny the dominion were set to stomp the fed until space magic.

>>83664942
Why do people feel the romulans are weak? They have massive warships and advanced cloaking. They also are probably better at espionage than most other groups.

>>83664972
>Federation uses intelligence and diplomacy to befriend space gods

it's a legitimate tactic m8

>>83664995
>Better at espionage
Literally when does the Tal Shiar not get fucked up by everyone else

>>83665022
It's cheap. Both as larping and as an ending to what was a good series.

>>83664516
>yeah, but the folks themselves probably use fucking ships to get around, like total civilians
There are private ships in the federation, usually just shuttle pod sized ships, or the occasional freighter. Otherwise the federation taxis civilians and colonists between planets all the time.
And other member species have their own ship yards and fleets outside of starfleet (the vulcans, tellarites, etc).

File: 1379844190239.png (57KB, 625x626px) Image search: [Google]

57KB, 625x626px

>>83664214
>>83664253

>>83665085
Pretty sure vulcans arnt members except in the reboot which doesn't count.

>>83664831
the executor is bigger then
but the biggest one is the eldar craftworld

>>83664517
>why do people want starfleet to be a military organization so bad?

Everyone knows it's military and those who don't are just pretending to be retarded.

>>83665099
>one of the federations founding races arent members

Casuals pls go

>>83665099
>Vulcans aren't members
Hi tourist, you should probably watch Star Trek before commenting in these threads, please leave.

File: Star_Trek_USS_Enterprise_A_2014_freecomputerdesktopwallpaper_1920.jpg (338KB, 1482x1290px) Image search: [Google]

338KB, 1482x1290px

>>83663166
>>83663844
>>83664517
OP question literally has nothing to do with whether or not Starfleet is a military branch of the Federation. The fact is that in an organization that massive, there should be literally hundreds of thousands of ships AT LEAST. Not only for exploration but just basic surveying, trade, transport, border patrol and peacekeeping operations.

File: Chadrick Thundercock IV.jpg (104KB, 485x616px) Image search: [Google]

104KB, 485x616px

Shouldn't you get a gf brah?

File: Sisko_and_Kilana.jpg (34KB, 538x398px) Image search: [Google]

34KB, 538x398px

>>83664972
reminder their no proof the dominion is actually evil outside of untrustworthy traitors.

>>83665231
>Dude let's exterminate all life on Earth lmao

File: Female_Changling_suffering_from_morphogenic_virus.jpg (97KB, 709x530px) Image search: [Google]

97KB, 709x530px

>>83665264
boo fucking whooo

>>83664151
>>83664184
Unironically want a decent Star Trek animated show.

Fuck CBS/Paramount are the fucking worst. They have the entire Star Trek license and refuse to let anybody use it, but do jack with it themselves.

I've kind of wanted to get back into doing my own animation and just reanimate the good episodes of TAS.

>>83663129
Yes, if they maintained a rough parallel with the real world, well, none of them were any threat on the high seas to the US, only Japan was, and wasn't after WWII.

The industrial might of the capitalist west left them in the dust as we could out produce them without needing to devote half the economy to a sham attempt to look like you're keeping up.

So, yes. They should be well ahead. That they are not suggests the Federation is not capitalist, and therefore is lagging in economic freedom...and the attendant industrial might.

inb4 post-capitalist plenty due to replicators, it clearly ain't working that way, is it?

>>83665264
>it's okay when Sisko/Section 31 use WMD tho

who was the real monster?

>>83663288
i hate the kazons so fucking much

>>83665428
The creepy goo people, fuck them

>>83665428
talk shit, get hit

Changelings btfo

File: star_trek_unity_one_map_wp_by_joran_belar.jpg (245KB, 1032x774px) Image search: [Google]

245KB, 1032x774px

>>83663288
That's a very conservative map. Most look more like this.

I honestly wouldn't hate the JJ verse as much if the Ship sizes were actually reasonable and not the retard huge ships they have.

And by JJ verse I only mean 1 and 3. Into Darkness can fuck off and die.

>>83663129
>>83663833
It's not prudent to put all your eggs in one basket. They can't even get to a deep space station in time to respond to an attack let alone the rest of federation space. Depending on the class, ships take about 7-13 years to build, and I doubt the federation has enough dilithium for 2 million ships.

>>83665589
Here's an evil Enterprise, it's 2x biggererer!

Dropped. Skipped the next movie.

I feel new, as when the world was young.

I am free.

I heard that ships have to be maintained, crewed, and upgraded on a regular basis

regardless of the state of a futuristic economy, peaceful people have a low tolerance for excessive military buildup

starfleet probably has to hide half it's military vessels as 'exploratory ships' and science vessels' in the budget

>the enterprise is the'flagship' of a massive conspiracy to maintain a large defensive force in spite of a completely naive and useless population that would get instantly destroyed by any legitimate invader

>>83665562
>Borg and Dominion border
man imagine how many spaceships are destroyed on a daily basis there

>>83665775
If the Borg were in conflict with the Dominion, they'd have assimilated or destroyed them years ago, that entire map's bullshit

>>83665562
Thats way off scale from any map I've ever seen

>>83664825
why is it at the end of the guide when it's calling you a normie?

File: warbird_size_01.png (234KB, 789x460px) Image search: [Google]

234KB, 789x460px

>>83665589
>>83665682
If anything, Federation ships were always too tiny. Especially compared to anything in Star Wars but even compared to other Trek ships it was embarrassing.

There's literally nothing wrong with a bigger Enterprise.

>>83665589
>Into Darkness can fuck off and die.
Nice meme opinion, reddit. Let me guess, Empire is your favorite Star Wars too.

>>83665869
I don't recall ever seeing that large of a Romulan ship in any show or movie.

>>83665869
in star trek humanity has evolved beyond judging things by their size

>>83663129
For the travel times involved and number of worlds and sheer volume of space to patrol and defend they should have tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, of ships, yes. The size of Starfleet has never been mentioned on screen though.

>>83665914
That's based on the official sizes provided by the studio and FX department so they're canon. They were always at a distance though. Notice you never saw a Galaxy and D'Deridex side-by-side.

>>83665869
>Twice as big
>Still gets rekt 1-on-1 against the Enterprise

>>83663288

Wait, how the shit would Klingons go to war with Cardasians if Federations and Romulans are between them?

>>83665994
>Still gets rekt 1-on-1 against the Enterprise

That literally never happened. They were always afraid of fighting them.

>>83664517
There should be a Starfleet Defense Force like there's a Klingon Defense Force.

File: lessons008.jpg (99KB, 694x530px) Image search: [Google]

99KB, 694x530px

>>83665834
>>83663288
>3d space
>2d map
makes me think.

>>83665557
this fucking post lmao

>>83666028
Because they're peaceful Federation officers, not because they would lose

>>128709454
>planets have their regular defense force
They don't though, their militaries join Starfleet when the planet joins the Federation

>>83665962
They lost like 40 ships at Wolf 359 and the loss was apparently so massive it left the Federation vulnerable and unable to handle any fresh sustained conflict.

I think the writers just didn't have much sense of scale in general.

>>83666061

Show talks a couple of times that they would be pretty fucked in a fight. There were many episodes where they faced Warbirds and they were always menacing.

>>83666001
They were going through Federation space. Hence them breaking the Kittomer Accords, it meant that they could fly through Federation space and they knew the Fed wouldn't do shit because they're a bunch of pussies.

>>83666072
Vulcan had its own defense force, they named it in the episode with the Romulan plan of sending refugees that were actually invasion forces

>>83663394
>btw i should be watching in release order, right? not in-universe chronology? (is there a difference?)
TOS is the only Trek that wasn't broadcast with the episodes in chronological order, but it doesn't make a huge difference as there's very little ongoing story.

>>83666054
The Milky way is a disc m8, especially on the outer edges a 2D map is fine

>>83663319
>What am i in for?
Most episodes being similar, but extremely comfy

>I'm hoping it's comfy as fuck.
Oh you have no idea

>>83663394
Yes, always watch in release (original airdate) order. You experience the full picture that everyone else who grew up with them did, and a lot of the cooler revelations/spoilers have a much bigger impact than if you skip around and do weird stupid viewing guides that these autists recommend.

File: lessons9.jpg (38KB, 475x363px) Image search: [Google]

38KB, 475x363px

>>83666140
so youre saying space is flat?

>>83663485
>In Star Trek ships need thousands of years to cross the galaxy
What? They could do it in 150 years easy seeing as Voyager estimated 70 years to travel most of the way across it.

>>83666095
they only were scared because of cloaks
all the time they had them worried is because there were multiple warbids, in a one vs one fight it was an even match

>>83666177
Relative to diameter, the thickness would be negligible

>>83665964
It ain't cannon until it is in a movie. Some director has to think to himself, "Ya know, even though this looks idiotic, Imma use it!"

File: vulcan-ships.jpg (93KB, 1000x750px) Image search: [Google]

93KB, 1000x750px

>>83666121
No, the only thing they "named" were Vulcan transport ships. Actual warships like what we saw in Enterprise were completely dismantled. That's why Vulcan had no defense of its own and had to rely on Starfleet.

>>83665866
All it's saying is that the reboot movies are normie-tier, calm your aspergers

>>83666202
No, the Romulans specifically said they'd fight against the Vulcan defense force

>>83666195
how many star systems in between is negligible?

>>83666197
>TNG isn't canon except for Generations, First Contact, Insurrection and Nemesis

WEW

>>83666225
Quote where they said it. I'll wait. Sela specifically says their only help is coming from Starfleet and by then Romulan forces will be entrenched. Those refugee ships had only 10,000 Romulan troops so Vulcan's entire planetary defense must've been garbage if that was enough to capture a planet.

>>83663833
>Starfleet was completely decimated.
The they would still have 360 ships left, wouldn't they?

>>83663937
Bajorans don't have Warp drive, but they were fasttracked for membership and nobody seeemed to have a problem with it, who knows how many other members got in under the "well, I guess you know about us without having Warp, wanna join anyway?" clause.

>>83666293
Who says the Bajorans didn't have warp tech? Their pre-warp ships were hundreds of years old, and the occupation began 50 years pre-show. They could easily have developed technology in between.

>>83663288
tf is the Krenim Empire?

File: star_trek_tv_pilot_the_cage_still.jpg (223KB, 1296x730px) Image search: [Google]

223KB, 1296x730px

Federation has like 1000-2000 ships at any given time. Making a starship is incredibly difficult. Developing a new or improved ship doubly so.

I think during TNG they had like 6-12 total Galaxy Class starships in the fleet at one time.

There might like 3-6 Sovereign Class in the whole fleet.

The backbone of the fleet is the Miranda class which was more robust and efficient version of the older Constitution class. Which might be around probably 500 in the fleet.

Then you have smaller science ships like the Nova/Oberth.

That's why Defiant was a big deal. It was small. Powerful. And you could produce a ton of them quickly. After the fleet was wrecked in the battle of wolf 359 they needed a ship they could crank out and fight. Defiant is more akin to the T34.

If I remember right constructing a Galaxy class took over twentyfive years of research and each took about a decade to build.

Defiant class took about less than year.

>>83663996
>The show that started it all and launched a 50 year legacy is barely canon
LOVING EVERY LAUGH

File: ferengi.jpg (31KB, 320x240px) Image search: [Google]

31KB, 320x240px

>>83666177
You brain is flat if you believe Ferengi lies about a ((3-d)) galaxy and (((round))) Earth

4chan liking star trek, despite it being communism, which 4chan hates

lmao

>>83666260
"The Vulcan Defence vessels are also responding. The Romulan force is retreating toward the Neutral Zone."

>>83666293
Bajorans already entered the galactic stage because of the Cardassian occupation. They got warp technology by osmosis, so there's no going back from that.

>>83666387
>And you could produce a ton of them quickly.
Then why didn't they?

>>83666329
MUH SOLAR SAILS
MUH PROPHETS
WE KICKED YOUR ASSES

>>83666446
because it was garbage that got outperformed by slightly tweaked old as shit ships
also everyone saw how useful it was against the Borg despite being designed to fight them

>>83666446
Because it would visually distract from the main characters

>>83666426
Link the scene. Upload the episode and timecode the scene.

>>83666484
>because it was garbage that got outperformed by slightly tweaked old as shit ships

any proof to back that up?

PRO-TIP: the Defiant was beating the Lakota and inflicted higher casualties

>>83666351
It had one or two episode in voyager. The dad from that 70's show had a timemachine and tried to fuck it up

>>83666446
Because DS9 is melodrama shit and they needed a slecial snowflake ship for whenever they left their station

>>83666188
>one vs one fight it was an even match

Nice headcanon faggot.

>>83666446
They did!

The USS Valiant for example. They had an extra Defiant class renamed Defiant for fuck sakes.
They mothball the project by 2370 because Borg threat was reduced they also had huge issue with the design that was corrected by O'Brien. However by the time the Dominion war really heated they had about less than 2 years to start cranking them out.

>>83666407
When did this communism meme started?
It was never communist. They have a class system, and governing organizations.

>>83666533
>Defiant vs Borg Cube
>utterly humiliated

>Intrepid class vs Borg Cune/Spheres and who knows what else
>always won despite being stranded in the Delta Quadrant

this is proof enough

>>83663937
There are many races that were exposed to other warp-capable races like Klingons or Romulans who don't have the same rules as the federation, so by definition they already know about ayyliums and warp.

This is how I envision the Federation as the show lays it out:

>5-10 big players with a fleet, warp tech and advanced societies that run the show. Earth, Vulcan, Andoria, Betazed maybe.
>40-50 lesser players who had warp tech but no real fleet, and most likely joined the Federation to advance their civilization and ensure protection in their local space. These are like all the federation council races and stuff
>70-80 Poo in Loo planets who didn't have warp tech but were exposed to the rest of the galaxy through non-fed warp species, and are joining the Federation solely for protection and to not get wiped off the map.

Because so few Federation races are named, it makes sense to assume the majority of them weren't worth shit when it came to tech or ships. It's clear from the shows that Humans/Vulcans are the Federation, and everyone else is just tagging along behind. So by this reasoning, it's not a stretch to assume they didn't have that big of a fleet. In fact, one ship per 3 planets like that other anon suggested it not unreasonable.

What IS inexcusable however is the utter lack of planetary defenses in Star Trek. You could just walk into the homeworld of the Federation like the Breen did.

Did anyone hate the Bajorans?

>>83666555
name one episode where the Enterprise lost against a single warbird

>>83666583
>Voyager
>Canon

reeeee

File: BenMaxwell2367.jpg (64KB, 694x530px) Image search: [Google]

64KB, 694x530px

>>83666590
Spoonheads NOT WELCOME

>>83666589
Sick and tired of all these little shit planets not pulling their weight.

>>83664638
>but in DS9 individual fleets are 1000+ ships
What? No they weren't. The Tal Shiar/Obsidian order fleet that tried to take out the Founders was only around 100 ships, if that. The biggest battle of DS9 was 1000 ships total, on all sides, and that's including all the smaller Jem Hadar fighters

>>83666531
just watch Unification part 2

>>83666600
Name one episode where they won.

Meanwhile I can point out the movie where the Enterprise was crippled and destroyed by an obsolete BoP that would've been squashed by a Warbird.

>>83666589
>What IS inexcusable however is the utter lack of planetary defenses in Star Trek.
All the shit aside, at least the JJVerse corrected this mistake

>>83666654
In S6 they attacked DS9 with the 6th fleet, it was always said to be understrength and still had 700 ships

>>83666665
I never said they won, I only said they would be evenly matched

>>83666583
The idea was dozens of Defiants swarming the Borg cube. It wasn't suppose to be one on one.

>>83666646
>President Jaresh Inyo says his Federation member worlds tour was "productive", but that he is tired of "free riders" among Federation allies.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/10/world/middleeast/obama-criticizes-the-free-riders-among-americas-allies.html

>>83666674
Not really. There was never any planetary defense, or if there was we never saw it. Vulcan needed ships pulled from Earth just to investigate what they thought was seismic activity because apparently they have no way to detect a massive Romulan ship firing a beam into their planet, while in Into Darkness there was literally a fucking space battle between the Enterprise and Vengeance in high orbit above Earth and Starfleet didn't send a single ship to investigate.

>>83666694
and it wasn't one on one
it was the defiant + all the other ships around Earth vs a single borg cube

and they all lost, meanwhile Voyager was able to win multiple times

just admit it, the defiant was a shit ship that only got out of problems thanks to plot armor

>>83666687
Based on what? You have literally zero basis for making that claim.

>>83664239
No, because Stargate's SGC is literally the fifth race. The Ancients were the first race, the Asgard, the fourth Race, and the SGC now uses the strongest races technology. They're literally unbeatable so as far as the Federation is concerned.

>>83666616
>I didn't like it so it didn't happen la la la
Not defending Voyager but this is pretty infantile

>>83666589
>70-80 Poo in Loo planets
fuck that got me

>>83666740
In the first movie, the Romulans kidnapped the admiral to get the codes for Earth defense system, because they know it would annihilate them.
Letting them destroy Vulcan was a retarded move by JJ

>>83666683
Yeah but that's the Dominion mang. The federation was hopelessly outnumbered against them. DS9 doesn't change the scale of fleets by doing this, they were using these numbers to show just how fucking huge of a force the Dominion was. It was supposed to make you go OH SHIT NIGGA

>>83666744
If anything, your post illustrates just how much bullshit Voyager was. So no, not conceding that the Defiant is shit.

>>83666744
Yeah and they kicked it's ass. Considering the fleet was probably mostly tied up the dominion at the time.

>>83666888
No, the Federation 6th fleet. They also mentioned the 11th fleet earlier I think and claimed it had 1200 ships.

>>83666867
>Letting them destroy Vulcan was a retarded move by JJ
and the red matter
and the KHAAAAAAN
and the augment blood deus ex machina
and Spock being a violent psychopath
and the entirety of Into Darkness
I hate Into Darkness

>>83666925
I'm on DS9 Season 4 right now on my rewatch, I'll have to look out for that when we get to it.

>>83666581
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ui6g23ygov8

>>83666581
implying that communists don't want governing organizations rofl

>>83666867
>kidnapped the admiral to get the codes for Earth defense system, because they know it would annihilate them.

Seemed more like a plot device so they could rescue Pike. It was obvious the Roms didn't need the codes since they easily vaporized any Federation ship they came across.

>Letting them destroy Vulcan was a retarded move by JJ

Only because they didn't do more with it. We had some shit about them finding a new planet but we never got to see it or how it changed this timeline. That would've been interesting.

>>83666581
It's Automated Luxury Space Socialism.

There isn't any classes since the Federation literally has no money beside Labor credits. But there are still Government structures and such.

They have a museum to the horrors of capitalism in Voyager lol.

>>83666909
Voyager just had a more competent captain and team, that's why she became an admiral while Sisko had to fly over to his alien friends to avoid being court martialed

The Defiant was always a let down because it got it's ass kicked so fucking often by Jem'Hadar.

Another thing that made really no sense in DS9 is how anybody could beat Odo in Hand to Hand combat. Why in fuck didn't he just turn his hands into chainsaws when the Jem'Hadar borded the Defiant instead of fist fighting them?

>>83667012

To be fair traditional capitalism is unsustainable in a really advanced society.

Imagine what advanced drones will do to work force in 50 years.

>>83667131
you know how much cgi chainsaw hands cost

>>83666996
There is a plot what happened with the vulcans in the Star Trek game(not ST online), but I couldn't finish it, because it doesn't work on W10, so I don't know how excessive it is

File: barclay[1].jpg (80KB, 694x530px) Image search: [Google]

80KB, 694x530px

>>83667169
>To be fair traditional capitalism is unsustainable in a really advanced society.
you wish mortal.

>>83664254
You know our last purview into that realm ended four years later, right? This would have been around the time Eli was left alone on Destiny. The Hammond no longer has solely torpedo banks.


>>83664266
Couple of Hundred Galaxy class Ships along with others, in especially the Voyager class is more than enough to take on most problems.

>>83664357
In another universe I'm sure it's happened or will happen. Remember, the location of earth was sent throughout all dimensions of space time, so other universes got it as well, in especially those overrun by Ori.

So let me get this straight:
>Federations has 150 star systems
>Many (all?) of which have lifeless planet and asteroids
>if we were to carve up a small planet the size of Earth we could make literally a billion ship with all the materials it has
>they have nearly limitless energy and billions of people that live in a post-scarcity world that could do the job
>they have access to warp travel that facilitate the movement of people and materials in-between the systems
Yet they still like a thousand ship.

>>83663319
>Voyager
>awful
Fucking casuals

>>83666075
Sci-fi writers never get scale correct. Having said that, they don't really convey that losing 39 ships is a massive hit to the fleet's numbers. They sulk about losing 10,000 people, but I always took it to me that 40 ships comprised a good chunk of one fleet, not the ENTIRE fleet.

>>83667926
Pretty sure that in chain of Command, they make a point about how since the Feds lost so much at 359 that they're not ready to fight a war against the Cardies

>>83663833
>Actually supposed to have a crew of 6000, but because of the budget for extras, they had to cut it down to the hundreds (I think it's roughly like 900 or something in TNG).
You're an actual moron. The budget has nothing to do with showing 6,000 people crewing this ship. There's no fucking reason to show 6,000 extras. Secondly, the ship can comfortably carry 6,000 people. It's crew is 1,012. It has extra carrying capacity for small evacuations, troop transport, hosting diplomatic functions, etc.

>>83667926
people forget that the most we ever saw in Trek till then was 2 v 3 battles, having 40 ships being destroyed was a huge deal

of course this doesn't mean much if you are used to other sci-fi where they blow ships with no problem

>>83667967
Arguably, that's because it should take ships years to cross the federation because of its volume. Wars could be over before ships on one side get to the other.

Again, sci-fi writers have no sense of scale.

Why did the Enterprise E have a chef?

>>83668037
Just googled this and apparently the Federation is 10k ly across, and Enterprise D would take 52 years to cross it at warp 9.6, and it takes 6 months for a message to do the same.

How the fuck does a government like that even work? How can you run anything with those kinds of delays.

>>83668154
Why not? Having a real chef aboard seems like it would be beneficial in diplomatic situations and also for general crew morale. The replicator has to be programmed so random ambassador demanding random unknown dish wouldn't be possible without having engineers tell the computer how to make it whereas a chef could, hopefully, create the dish off the cuff.

Why the hell is there a federation if distances are so huge you can never travel it in a lifetime

>>83668251
planets govern themselves and then there's the Federation council, it's more like a decentralized union than a single planet ruling the others

>>83668251
They have virtually instantaneous communication across that distance so that is a big factor. However, they would still have to have a metric shit ton of ships. Just goes back to scifi wrtiers can't into scale.

>>83668262
They wouldn't be able to get fresh produce, so would have to replicate them making the whole thing pointless.

Plus how many sex planets are there besides the one shown, in a post scarcity society not all want to better themselves or the society, some just wanna fuck

>>83668331
Yeah the would, but local from whatever planet they are at, or colony

>>83663129
>>83663402
>>83665914
>>83665994
>>83666293
>>83667766
Is never-seen-the-show posting a new meme or something?

>>83667030
>Janeway
>A more competent captain than Sisko
Ok now I know this is bait

>>83666441
This. You can't put the genie back in the bottle.

imagine how much better the star trek in the timeline that Germany war WW2 is, I bet it's like in a mirror darkly, with humans colonizing and conquering aliens and the entire universe

File: sealab_2021_30[1].jpg (63KB, 384x293px) Image search: [Google]

63KB, 384x293px

>>83667131
Why didn't Odo turn into Adrian Barbeaubot with chainsaws for hands?

>>83663191
Benjamin Sisko,that's who.

>>83668406
she was tho
she got her crew back while having no back up and never compromising

Sisko would have gone full Equinox in the first week before whining and asking the wormhole aliens to bail him out, all this while watching the camera and making speeches to himself

>>83666555
Nice double trips.
Go back to the first episode on TNG that they get dispatched to the neutral zone. Data says about the warbird that it appeared to be well matched to the enterprise from initial scans, but since they hadn't had contact with the romulans in a while he couldn't predict what surprises they might be hiding.
And yes, every time they had a stand off with a romulan its implied its an even 1v1 match.

>>83668331
It's not pointless. The computer knows how to make an apple but doesn't know how to make every dish involving apples. The computer also can't improvise like a chef can.

>>83668338
There's a couple others mentioned but Risa is the only one mentioned more than once.

>>83668338
Risa and Pacifica.
Plus the deltans, the race that Lt.Ilia comes from is apparently so cum crazy they have to sign a declaration of celibacy to even serve aboard a federation star ship.
I'm sure there were a few more recreation planets im forgetting too.

>>83666744
>Voyager
>defiant
>plot armor

Voyager had literal plot armor.

>>83663344
watch deep space 9. it has plenty of war in the later seasons

>>83668522
Not to mention it's constantly mentioned how much better real food is compared to replicated.

>>83668493
You're damn right

>>83668761
that's just people being food hipsters

File: 1496454715944.jpg (552KB, 3200x2013px) Image search: [Google]

552KB, 3200x2013px

>>83663485

>1000's of years previously
>jump drives

Outta the way, plebs!

>>83668493
>le nuke planets to catch Valjean man

Absolutely based.

>>83668805
O'brien liked starfleet emergency rations, and even he says real is better than replicated.

>>83668874
>nuke
*tear gas

>>83668900
Should have used nukes on those fucking Maquis.

>>83668805
Probably not. If you ordered something once from the computer, you may think it's amazing. Order that same dish again and it will taste precisely the same. Now, I suspect that if your favorite dish has zero variation in it, you'll eventually think it's less good than something a trained chef would make.

>>83668900
More like agent orange - kinda. It killed the biosphere but wouldn't harm humans iirc.

>>83668829
>Wining a war with unplugging the internet
>Losing a war to toasters and washing machines

I don't know which is worse

>>83663637
There's quite a few TNG episodes where they were up against totally inadequate forces.

The one where they were brainwashed and someone tried to get them to win their war for them comes to mind

>>83668327
>virtually instantaneous communication
>it takes 6 months for a message to cross 10k light years
anon, I....

>>83668942
The opposite actually.

>>83668942
What? The biosphere is fine, and that's why the Cardassians were able to move in after the humans left.

File: spoonhead soon dead rambobrien.png (83KB, 1808x340px) Image search: [Google]

83KB, 1808x340px

>>83668898
That's because O'Brien isn't a man, he's a living legend.

>>83666654
You don't even know what you're talking about. In the episode sacrifice of angels for example, the federation fleet alone was 600+ ships and they were waiting for hundreds more to arrive but had to start the battle early against a dominion fleet of 1200-2000 ships. And don't forget a big Klingon fleet arrived to aid the federation in that battle. So your claims of 1000 max on all sides is BTFO :^)

>>83668898
>trusting O'Brien
he married Keiko, his opinion about anything is invalid

>>83668514
>she got her crew back while having no back up and never compromising
Because of lazy writing and hitting the reset button every episode. Voyager never faced any realistic challenges.

>Sisko would have gone full Equinox in the first week
>implying that's a bad thing

>before whining and asking the wormhole aliens to bail him out
No

>make a big deal about cardassians possibly developing metagenetic virus
>Sisko uses one against humans without problems
why did DS9 felt the need to turn the Federation into the bad guys?

>>83668960
Anon, you indeed. There are more instances of instant communication than there are delayed. Also, virtually every "new" instance shows instant communication. Enterprise E had a real-time uplink with Starfleet in Romulan space.

>>83669026
Sisko didn't use a virus, metagenetic or otherwise.

Why are you being dishonest?

>>83668926
>>83668805
>>83668761
Riker in TNG:
>We have evolved beyond such cruel practices as killing animals for sustenance.

DS9
>VERY fast Creole chef runnign at INCREDIBLE hihg speed

What did they mean by this? Did he use replicated meat?

>>83668634
>Literal semen demons
HONKA HONKA

>>83669076
how would you define a planetary weapon that only targets humans?

>>83669077
Sisko Sr was a great man and a great chef

>>83669026
Captain Ben "Crime against humanity? Not if they're Maquis" Sisko doesn't need to explain himself to the likes of you

>>83669072
That's the writers being inconsistent. They mention a good amount of times personal communication taking weeks or months to arrive to their families, like when Geordi's mom goes missing that one episode

>>83669119
I wouldn't describe it as a virus since it isn't a virus.

>>83669077
>shrimp and crawfish
>implying anyone gives a shit

>>83669129
Maquis aren't humans, they're TRAITORS TO THE UNIFORM.

>>83669191
Every day we stray further from Roddenberry's vision.

>>83669184
it still needed some kind of genetic coding to only be harmful to humans
>>83669209
but so was Sisko

>>83669229
Good.

>>83669077
It's possible Riker was only talking about herds of cows, goats, lamb, you name it. Shrimp...eh, whatever. Though, yes, shrimp isn't the only living thing on a creole mention but it is the only formerly living thing we see Grandpa Sisko working with in the kitchen I believe. Could be wrong about that though.

>>83669240
Ben "Kill Romulan senators OK Garak?" Sisko doesn't give a flying faggot shit.

>>83669240
>it still needed some kind of genetic coding to only be harmful to humans
No, it didn't.

>>83669180
If all modern instances show the tech one way, that's how it is. Starfleet obviously upgraded their comms tech.

>>83667926
The entire concept of multiple fleets didn't exist until DS9's absolutely retarded power creep

40 ships lost against a Borg cube was a significant blow to Starfleet oh wait now Starfleet has 5,000 ships and they're fighting against the Dominons 30,000 ships

The Federation had six Galaxy class ships (and lost three of them, Yamato, Odyssey and Enterprise) and six further hulls partially built and stored for completion later but nah also they have tons of the fucking things everywhere actually

>>83669026
>why did DS9 felt the need to turn the Federation into the bad guys?
>implying the Federation weren't the bad guys all along

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xy5jAixHhSA

>>83663129

Shouldn't Navy have like a million ships?

They represent over 150 countries and control most of the Earth's Oceans.

They should far outnumber any rival power with the exception of Russia.

>>83669248
Exactly. Roddenberry came up with an interesting concept, but had some really stupid ideas, like that in the future, humans would be so "evolved" that they would no longer see death as a big deal because everyone dies.

>>83665775
why do the borg even have a logo

>>83669299
DS9 just reset the scales to something approaching believable. The Federation is 10000 fucking light years across and they've barely got a few hundred ships to defend themselves?

>>83669452
They assimilated a planet of graphic designers

>>83669506
This

>>83669506
>they just resetted it because they wanted big huge star battles like star wars, same reason why the defiant doesn't follow the usual guiding lines for style but goes all different just to be "unique"

>>83669351
He was also an old perv. That is what we need to bring back, scantily clad blonde babes and oiled roided men.

>>83669626
>Hey guys, we've got these great new plans for a starship, it's going to have all the latest engine tech, cutting edge weapons, science stations, the works.
>They'll be great and form the backbone of Starfleet, defending us from the almost retarded number of hostile aliens in the galaxy who have no problem with total genocide of us
>I was thinking 1 ship to guard 30 systems sounds right.

>>83669626
Shut up mother fucker.

>>83669674
IT'S BEEN A LOOOONG ROAD

>>83669737
NO

>>83669529
This seems oddly Hitchhiker-ish, I love it

>>83669753
GETTIN FROM THERE TO HEEYUH
IT'S BEEN A LOOONG TIME
RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRBUT MY TIME IS FINALLY HERE

>>83666351
you are in a timeline where it doesn't exist i guess

>>83663311
No they don't

Starfleet does that.

>>83669805
Congrats, now it's in my head. Fuck you and brb gonna kys myself

>>83663191
>>83663166
silly anon theres no war in the future only peace™

>>83669817
Hey I just remembered him as Red from that 70's show on Voyager, cut me some slack

>>83669839
AND I WILL SEEEEE MY DREAMS COME ALIVE AT LAST
IIIII WILL TOUCH THE STAAAAHAHAARS
RRRRAND YA NOT GONNA HOLD ME DOWN NO MORE
NO YOU'RE NOT GONNA CHANGE MY MIND

>>83669885
He was also Emperor Ming, president of the Federation in Undiscovered Country.

CAUSE I GOT FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIITHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

OF A HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWT

>>83669912
What no way, that guy looked like Lo Pan

>>83669926
Lo Pan is Ming.

>>83669250
Don't forget that O'Brien told Keiko the terrible that his mother reared, slaughtered and butchered real meat.

>>83669940
I'm so confused. First I thought you were saying Red from that 70's show was the Fed president in STVI. Now you're saying that actor is Lo Pan?

>>83669737
>>83669805
>>83669901
>>83669915
Why are Enterprise fans the most cringeworthy fans?

>>83669972
See this is why DS9 isn't canon.

>>83669992
>can't handle the bant
>he doesn't have faith of a heart

>>83670011
You don't have any bant, you just have cringe.

>>83669999
DS9 is canon, but Ireland isn't part of the Federation. That's why O'Brien wasn't allowed to be an officer.

>>83669985
Lo Pan became president of the Federation. Ran on a "Rape Kim Cattrall" platform that got him the edge in the election.

>>83670061
kek

>>83669992
no, that's DS9 fans
they don't even like star trek but only DS9 because is "gritty" and "mature"

>>83669452
its from an episode with rogue borg.

>>83665230
Ah multiple popped collars. I miss the aughts

>>83670125
>pursuing a 4chan vendetta for 7 years
Loving every laugh.

>>83670163
>randomly posting in a thread in a pacific way means I am out for blood or something
turn off the memes

File: The Wounded.png (62KB, 550x400px) Image search: [Google]

62KB, 550x400px

>>83669999
It's from TNG, you fucking casual.

>>83670258
>Okay. Maybe I'll have something special for you, tonight, too.
>(weapons fire)

Just imagining Keiko suddenly shooting him after that comment made me chuckle.

>>83670252
>pursuing a 4chan vendetta since 2010
You shouldn't have told us what you're doing if you didn't want to be laughed at.

>>83663166
Even the military organizations have low ship numbers.

Romulans and Klingons should have millions of warships.

Speaking of Stargate, how would the Federation deal with the Wraith? They are just people and people need to eat, so what's the harm in sucking the life out of others?

>>83664254
Since the Hammond was built after SG-1's final episode (Unending, Asgard give the Tau'ri all they have and kill themselves), it stands to reason that it would be equipped with Asgard technology reverse engineered from the Odyssey. Why it didn't use Asgard beam weaponry in the pilot of Universe is a good question that can probably only be answered by making fun of Universe or calling the writers stupid.

Or both.

>>83670328
but I never said that I am pursuing a vendetta, I only said that DS9 fans are assholes and since then I am treating them as such
nothing more and nothing less, it's you that felt the need to create this strange story where I am a madman like Sisko hunting people

>>83670328
please cut this shit out, this is the kind of stuff that sinks these threads, when two anons start bickering back and forth and endlessly flinging shit at each other

>>83666278
Don't worry anon I know what you mean.

>>83670397
that's how DS9 fans act, they can't deal with criticism so they either insult or spout memes to push away the original argument

>>83670388
>it's you that felt the need to create this strange story where I am a madman like Sisko hunting people
You told us that someone hurt your feelings in 2010, and that you've spent the last 7 years attacking everyone else in retaliation. That sounds like a madman to me.

>>83670382
>Speaking of Stargate, how would the Federation deal with the Wraith? They are just people and people need to eat, so what's the harm in sucking the life out of others?
There was a two-parter about this. They just ended up bombarding them from orbit.

>>83670433
Dude chill. The fuck. Out. Take your aspie medicine and eat your chicken tendies. I'm not even the guy you've been attacking.

>>83663433
REEEEEEEEE WHITE MALE COLONIALIST ANTISEMITE BIGOT SEXIST HOMOPHOBE

>>83664127
Decimated literally means one tenth.

>>83668405
I don't know, what was your motivation?

>>83670612
>what is semantic drift

>>83670479
Which series and episodes? I'm not a huge Trekkie and the only parallel to the Wraith I could think of off the top of my head was the Crystalline Entity. And that isn't even a good comparison, the Crystal didn't actually eat people, just stuff that made a Class M planet a Class M, the people just happened to be in the way.

>>83670669
>what is continental drift

>>83670676
The vampiric thing from The Man Trap

>>83670683
Not real, duh.

>>83670541
but I am chill, I am not the one sperging out because someone said something about DS9 fans

>>83670683
>what is evading the question

>>83670676
TNG Time's Arrow parts 1 and 2. It's only a few people on a planet, but they just decide to torpedo the shit out of them at the end.

>>83670771
>what is Muhammad Ali's evading tactic in the match against Foreman

>>83670676
>>83670803
Oh, and don't expect a real Wraith parallel. The idea of soul eating is there but that's pretty much the end of any comparison.

>>83670709
>>83670803

Good answers.

>>83663939
Goalpost status=Moved

So... new thread?

>>83670856
>it's only ok when we say something doesn't count

>>83666589
This is actually pretty reasonable.

>>83670909
Make it so

>>83670988
On the bus. Yes, I'm a filthy datapadposter

>>83671024
What's a bus? Is that like a roundabout?

>>83664954
>lasers
depends how powerful they are
phasers are essentially just a type of laser and if you phaser a ships shield enough it'll wear them down, 40k ships absolutely how lasers powerful enough to rip through ST shields fairly easily

>missiles
depends on the payload they carry, stuff like nukes or plasma warheads or nova bombs or whatever would have no problem, and even conventional warheads would eventually get through ST shields if enough were fired at them
imagine a salvo of 100,000 missiles launched at, say, voyager, from a battle barge, those shields aren't sticking around for too long there

>conditional canons
do you traditional? I can't find anything to do with conditional on any 40k lore site
regardless, again this is just a matter of what kind of payload is being delivered, a 10 ton tungsten/adamantium shell is going to hurt ST shields and eventually get through if enough are fired at them

The imperial navy of 40k outclasses basically any other scifi setting's navy except for people like The Culture or the Xeelee who are more or less gods.

>>83666121
>Vulcan had its own defense force, they named it in the episode with the Romulan plan of sending refugees that were actually invasion forces
>sending refugees that were actually invasion force

wow, rodenberry was basically prescient

>>83668251
There's a reason that no one has ever released an official canon map of the star trek universe. The anon who keeps posting about sci fi writers fucking up scale is correct; any serious thought about distances and fleet sizes make the whole thing sort of fall apart. It's why if any real life race really did start to explore the galaxy it would likely look and behave a lot more like the borg than the federation.

>>83671187
Roddenberry was dead. In fact, that episode was dedicated to his memory.

>>83671220
>TV episodes finish shooting and post production the very same day the scripts are first drafted

>>83669322
us navy represents over 150 countries? lmao
amerifat go back to your hole

>>83671255
In the period of time leading up to his death, he was paralyzed on his right side and unable to communicate in full sentences.

He wasn't working on the show.

photon torpedoes and phasers are energy based, so are the shields ... so are the shields capable of blocking also missiles and other projectiles?

>>83671364
>In the period of time leading up to his death, he was paralyzed on his right side and unable to communicate in full sentences.
And tragically, he died because no one noticed a difference.

File: PhotonCase1.jpg (323KB, 850x638px) Image search: [Google]

323KB, 850x638px

>>83671373
>photon torpedo
>not a physical object
You what.