So why did Batman use guns?

the better question is: why is there a joker card on it?

>>83631289
Snyder actually wanted to make an Injustice movie.

>>83631400

thank god that got scrapped. Unfortunately, the flash's cameo now makes not sense.

>>83631289
With that trench coat he kinda looks like a mass shooter trying to hide his identity with some cheap Halloween batman mask.

>>83631289
Because this scene is a preview of when Scarcrow uses his gas on justice league causing them to hallucinate and turn on each other temporarilyly

Parademons arent people

>>83631400
I wanted an Injustice movie desu.
I hated that whole "batman v superman", when in fact it's just justice league 0.

>>83631289
When the world is at stake, your rules, morals, and ethics don't matter

>>83631505
Should've just called it "Dawn of Justice" desu

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>>83631459

>>83631289

why does he wear a coat?

>>83631400
He did make an injustice movie

>>83631703
why does he wear the mask?

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How is this shit any better than this?

One is maximum edge and the other camp

>>83631857
The director actually apologized for the shitshow he made though. Waiting for Snyder to own up

>>83631289
In that kind of nightmarish future Batman becomes Big Boss. The real question should be "So why didn't Batman in Red Son use guns?"

>>83631928
Because it's out of character. Just as it is here.

>>83631857
One suit is for the cold, the other for heat.

What's so hard to understand.

Because it was against demons not humans

>>83631400
Well why didn't he?

>people on this board praised this shitty "one take" action scene when it came out

https://youtu.be/5lowHa27RcQ?t=57

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>>83631289
Why not?

>>83631703
if someone pulls that off, will he die?

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What costume idea can they do that'll look cooler? Maybe a fear toxin hallucination where Batman looks demonic... but Nolan already did that

>>83632229
it would be very sandy

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>>83632247

Just rip off Watchmen

Because in this cinematic world, batman is an old scared man who doesn't give a fuck anymore and is tired of crime, so he just fucks people up instead of leaving them for the cops.
Shitty Snyder ideas and writing aside, this part actually made sense.

>>83631289
BecauseAfllec is too fat for other kind of weapon

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>>83632281
>Batman's always drawn with these white flashes for eyes. So we played around with ways of doing that, and realized that they would sort of catch the light, to call to mind that classic age from the comic books

>that feel when you notice those goggles are shaped just like BTAS' eyes

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>>83631307
Woah

>>83631477

He shoots people in the movie

>>83631289
Has this been explained? it made zero sense to me, the dude is heavily opposed to guns but seems to have no issue operating guns so long as they're attached to other machinery, hes used machine guns, rocket launches etc. attached to his bat mobile and bat plane.

>>83632488
The Batman in this universe was never described as being opposed to guns. For all we know, he may not have any principles at all.

>>83631307
Maybe it's an ironic good luck charm from his gf Harley Quinn since Injustice (where Superman becomes a dictator) Harley becomes his close ally.

>>83632488
There's a difference between anti-materiel and anti-personnel.

>>83632575
Pretty deep.

>>83632575
>*Harley becomes his cumslut
ftfy

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>>83632816
she didn't get straight A's for being smart that's for sure

>>83632783
Yes he does get pretty deep inside harleys clown pusy

>>83632572
No it's implied by Alfred that he was against using guns and extreme violence but started getting crazy around Superman's reveal, maybe a bit sooner, possibly after Robin's death.

>>83631650
KEK

>>83631857
That nipple armor tho

>>83632993

Best Batman suit

>>83631289
>when I got this assignment, I was hoping there would be more gambling

>>83631703
Camoflauge

>why does he still wear the costume then

because he's a symbol and also the costume is bullet proof

>>83632488
Hes technically not pulling the trigger so itsok

>>83632575
wat hapens 2 robin? Or nitewin

>>83633196
fag leave

>>83632134
some of the most unathletic fight choreo Ive seen. What a boring shitshow.

because the manchild director thought it would be cool

>>83631289
He never knew how to work them until BvS, he probably felt stupid wasting all that time just using his fists

>>83634135

https://youtu.be/1_EbYdg9sqg?t=66

He pulls the trigger right here

>>83631979
Not this interpretation of him.

>>83631289
>wearing a trench-coat over his costume

>>83631289
Because guns are fucking cool

>>83635770
>not wanting to look badass during the apocalypse
>wanting sand in your batsuit; it's coarse and gets everywhere

>>83632441
He shoots people in that vision. In the actual plot of the film, he never shoots anyone directly, not even KGBeast.

>>83634341
Yeah, but he doesn't shoot anyone.

>>83632572
'in this universe'

it's a fucking DREAM

>>83632250
For u

>>83637520
he used guns and killed people throughout the movie

>>83631289
why doesnt someone just shoot him in the mouth?

>>83631289
Because Snyder is a hack who doesn't get Batman

>>83637861
You're a clueless dipshit.

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>>83637408
>>83637487

Is this a fucking meme or something?

He directly shoots multiple people in it

Because he's not rich enough to buy superpowers.

>>83638132

He's clearly shooting at the cars, not the people. If they get killed, it's their own doing for being inside the cars when Batman was trying to demobilize them.

>>83638253
>Immobilize them
>With what looks like a 20mm cannon

Was Batman trained by the USAF?

>>83631400
The movie should have been called Dawn of Justice

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>>83638253

>>83638371

Again, Batman shot at the fuel tank, the terrorist committed suicide by setting himself on fire with his own flamethrower.

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>>83638304
Thank you. You're moving ever closer to the point.

Bruce's entire arc in BvS is basically foreshadowed in a couple of scenes from MoS involving Colonel Hardy.

>"Engage all targets."
>"What about the guy in blue, sir?"
>"I said ALL targets."

>>83638428

Ok, so whats your excuse here.

>>83634341

When he kills multiple people with the batmobile

How was he immobilizing them when crushing them to death with a car?

>>83631857
Say what you want, but Witherspoon in that suit is pretty fapable

>>83638714
>Witherspoon

Bruh...

batman never directly kills anybody

>>83632947

When did Alfred imply that?

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>>83638688
That Bruce's psychology only allows him to kill in self-defense or in an out-of-sight/out-of-mind sort of way. It has to be in some manner he can rationalize as being not his fault.

It's why he has no problem with bad guys dying as long as they're shooting back, but can't bring himself to kill someone when they're visibly at his mercy. It's why he brands certain criminals, the ones he sees as being the worst of the worst. They also tend to be the guys in charge and the people with information he's after, so they're incapacitated, at his mercy, and being questioned.

If he truly had zero problem with what is a face-to-face killing, he'd just kill them and drop a weapon like a dirty cop. That doesn't work for him, so instead he brands them and leaves it up to someone else to do his dirty work for him.

Now think about that, think about what that implies about him making a spear instead of one kryptonite round to load into one of his machine gun turrets, and ask yourself what's being implied by the dream where pic related happens.

>>83631289
Why is this alternate costume so based? A perfect mix of Bane/Batman and Isis. More superheroes should have alternate costumes on movies. And no, I dont mean new costumes for each new movie. I mean one alternative costume for a single scene. Its cool and it also helps selling toys.

>>83632281
I fucking hate being able to see Batmans armour.

>>83631427
Except it does, you fucking retard. The movie will probably open with everyone dying and Flash using his last breath to go back in time and warn Bruce.

>>83638804
When Alfred slapped down the newspaper and said "New rules?" If he's against branding and torture, how do you think he feels about killing? Honestly, I'd be fine with self-defense. Alfred's an ex-military man in almost every incarnation so he probably would be, too. But self-defense and murder are two very different things, "time-release" murder notwithstanding.

>>83638132
He shots vehicles with another vehicle. Shit happens. Better not engage in criminal activities.

He still doesnt use guns. and btw, thats not a gun, its a canon.

"I dont have to use a gun, but I dont have to refuse to use this cannon". Its classic Batman Begins

>>83638957
I think of that look as "Batman: Fury Road." I love it.

>>83639033
Not only that, but Alfred says people become cruel talking about bruce and his increasingly homicidal methods. Its in the fucking trailer of the movie.

>>83639153
Yep, it sure is. He even nails why it's happening. Bruce is feeling pointless in the face of power beyond his understanding. I also liked Alfred's little exchange with him on the morning after his Man-Bat dream:

"The Bat interrogated 6 people and came away with nothing. It was Bruce Wayne that got that information."

Alfred knew what was up and which side of Bruce's psyche was calling the shots.

If you pay attention there's a mountain of meds by Bruce's bed at the start. He's not stable.

>>83639555
I have to rewatch the movie...

Im wondering if Superman even said Martha

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because guns are cool anon and batman is cool so zachy boy thought guns on batman would be like double cool and also turkish airlines

>>83639675
Guns and trenchcoats will always be cool. Doesnt matter how much your low test numale ass hates it.

>>83639735
what's it like being 14?

>>83639735
jesus christ you autist.
the point is just because there are two cool things doesn't mean pasting one on top of the other makes things better.
guns are cool. batman is also cool. but guns with batman have to handled a very specific way for it to be effective. Snyder was too fucking preoccupied with his free turkish airlines deal to pull off batman with guns.

>>83639780
To be 2 years older than you.

>>83639666
I'm the guy that brought that up in a previous thread. I'm not saying I'm 100% sold on the idea, but it's interesting, especially considering how jacked up Bruce was psychologically.

I'd love for us to get a punchline to that scene in JL, like maybe something where Clark comes back and makes some off-handed comment about Bruce's "psychic powers."

>>83631289
He isnt batman...he is fatman, so i guess this is the reason

>>83637861
he gets batman better than you or the pathetic worthless hacks who write the shitty drawn comic books only you and an handful of other have read, which weren't even the original or the defining run. You are a fucking piece of shit

>>83639896
Zach Snyder is functionally retarded. He doesn't understand character. It's why Watchman was a waste of time, both Batman and Superman are Ayn Rand, and why Sucker Punch was unwatchable.

snyder was ballsy in showing batman using guns and lethal force, without going too over board with it. It reminds me of some interpretations of the character, like the original run, or The Dark Knight Returns.

It's sad that some nerds hate it because their favourite no talent hack writer stated that batman would kill a billion innocents to save one terrorist because if you kill your enemies they win or some gay, retarded shit like that

>>83639940
didn't watch watchman. His Batman and superman were both excellent. YOUR'E the retard

>>83640005
Someone will sperg now that Batman didnt kill anyone in TDKR when he broke the Joker's neck and left him to die with a batarang on his brain.

>but Joker finished the job hehehe!

Then we have the Bat-tank running over mutants. Electrifying one mutant. And the infamous gun shooting scene where he might have killed someone or not.

>>83634159
Dead. Nitewin killed by bitch ass robin

If the movie had a scene were alfred is using a gun to save the batman from the joker, but the batman musters impossible strength to then save the joker by paralyzing alfred forever, and then the batman said something gay like "I won't let you become a murderer Alfred" or "if you kill your enemies, they win" nerds would be orgasming over BvS

but that wouldn't be batman; it would only be one of the interpretations the character had over the decades. Zach Snyder interpretation is one of the most interesting one, with call backs to the original run and miller's the dark knight returns

>>83640150
>if you kill your enemies, they win
Trudeau would be proud. Which is the exact reason why Batman cant have that thinking. Literally the last person I think when someone names Batman is that fucking leaf

>>83632144
that warbond shilling was pretty entertaining tbqh

>>83632575
are you telling me snyder actually read the comics?

>>83640260
I seriously hope he doesn't. 95% of the comics are shit. And more often than not, the best stories are one shots/parallel universes and non canon stuff (all star superman, kingdom come, TDKR, red son just to name some beloved Superman stories)

>>83640260

The man has, but he doesnt get anything bar the surface.

Watchmen proved it

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>>83631289
Why did Batman stop using them ?
In the Burton movies he killed people and shot at Joker with the Batwing.
He constantly had them in his first apperances.

So why is it such a bad thing for him to use a gun now ?

>>83631289
Because 12 year olds don't appreciate kino, so Snyder was forced to devise a way to funnel some extra money from the COD audience.

>>83640784
>WANNA GET NUTS??
>Im going to Kill you! (and he does)
1989 is best Batman

>>83640150
the allure of these characters is they stick to principles in the face of all opposition

so trying to have a movie where they give up on all their principles (or don't have any at all, in the case of superman) is just self defeating and idiotic.

>>83640150
It's more than that, even. In a very real way, Snyder's Batman is a stand-in for the heroes of the pulp era that preceded superheroes - guys like the Shadow, Zorro, and Doc Savage. The way he finds his legacy threatened by the coming of the Superman is a wonderful allusion to comics history. Him finding out about Diana and the first hints of the past she represents are well done, too. He's lived his whole life in a world where the myths were all real and he never even knew it.

>>83640935
>he allure of these characters is they stick to principles in the face of all opposition
No, not really. That would make it incredibly boring and shitty. I mean, you could have one character to be like that, but to make the whole group clinically retarded? Fuck no.

Diana will be the hopelessly optimistic hero. It worked for her in the movie, but I dont want the retard league.

>>83640951
>muh myths

just stop

>>83631857
Dr. Pavel, we are Bat.

>>83641018
>sticking to principals is retarded

...

>>83632575
>unused Robin outfit
>confirmed Jason Todd
>Joker card taken from Harley Quinn
>implied romance
>implied struggle to save Jason Todd goes wrong
>implied Harley kills Joker and helps Future Batman try to kill Superman

DC has the deepest lore holy shit, theres literally a movie implied in a already 3 hour movie.

>>83641018
the DCEU up till it got marlel'd read like a retarded half-assed read of epicurus' proof against god, except for superheros, and thus completely misunderstood the entire purpose of the concept of sueprheros. As snyder, for some reason, set out to make superhero movies about characters that weren't admirable or heroic.

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>>83640784
The Burton movies tend to be considered exceptions because they were adapting the early years of Batman, when he was still killing people. And it's not like murder is supposed to be a big deal in those instances, the Burton movies are live-action cartoons where Batman comedically sticks a bomb in a thug's pants.

Generally speaking, most versions of Batman are written so that him killing and using a gun are against character.
That doesn't stop it from happening because Batman changes all the time.

>Why did Batman stop using them ?
They tried to make him less of a Shadow plagiarism as time went on so they removed the guns and created his backstory as someone with a reason to hate them (since it was someone with a gun who killed his parents).
And then of course the CCA happened.

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>>83641048
You stop. You prefer Marvel's take on Thor? Genuinely curious. Have you ever even heard of "Planetary?"

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>>83641216
You'd have a point if Lex actually thought Superman was a god.

He didn't, so you don't.

>>83631289
Cuz he's a redneck?

>>83632873

Why the idea of Batman fucking Harley is so hot?

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>>83631289
Edge.

>>83641294
>mangles epicurus at a character
>he didn't think he was god tho!!

... It's nice how that also wasn't even the point I was making. Try reading.

>>83641409

You don't have a point, specially when DC comics constantly show Superman, Wonder Woman and the other super-powered heroes as gods. They always create a distinction between them and the "lowly" humans they protect (and might lord over if they're not careful).

>>83640051
Who does watch the watchmen?

>>83641473
Try reading >>83641216 again.

>>83631289
Because Snyder is a hack and his daughter´s life didn´t worth it.

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>>83641409
If that wasn't your point, what was? If you think Superman was serving as a stand-in for God and that it missed the point of superheroes, then your understanding of what you watched is catastrophically flawed to the point of approaching the realm of "not even wrong."

>mangles epicurus at a character
>he didn't think he was god tho!!

It's amazing the levels of cherry-picking you guys will go to in order to prop up your shaky argument. Why is it you always conveniently, and quite conspicuously, omit one of the final things Lex says to him in that conversation, the part that reveals literally everything to the people that were actually paying attention instead of letting their own confirmation bias call the shots?

>>83632488
Why does it have to be a explained?

It was a nightmare/vision of the future, one that has gone so horribly wrong even batman is forced to start using guns.

It was pretty clear to me.

Also, it was a great shootout.

>>83641618
see >>83641512

You're getting confused by the fact lex literally mangles epicurus at another character. I'm speaking of a different way the quote was mangled by a movie that didn't even quote it directly.

>>83641666
Well said, Satan.

It also showed the Batman at his absolute rock-bottom, a point he never reaches in the film - the point where he'll not only put a bullet in someone, but where he will, without hesitation, kill with his bare hands.

The guys that criticize his portrayal should go watch "The Professional" again. For the first time, for that matter. Why do you think killing up close is the last lesson? It's not just because there's more skill involved.

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>>83641775
No, what you're trying to do now is deflect onto your other non-point - that the movie didn't portray anyone heroically.

For most of the run-time, you're correct about Bruce. Fortunately for us, he wasn't supposed to look heroic, and if you thought he was, you're as brain-dead as you are tone-deaf.

As for Clark, well . . .

Clark's playing super-first-responder, which makes perfect sense considering the events of MoS have left him feeling guilty and reluctant to take a more proactive role in the world and become a truly public figure. so he's heroic, just not as heroic as he *could* be. This one is about him finding out what sort of role he really fills in society and that how he approaches problems is every bit as important as the solution.

>>83641666
>>83641807

This would make sense if the non dream sequence scenes didnt also show him murdering people with guns

Didn't nolan's batman use mines to kill cops chasing him so he could heal up his waifu in batman begins?

>>83631289
That sequence was called a "knightmare" for a reason. it was a dream, showing his worst nightmares.

>>83641992
It is my entire point and it doesn't matter how much you try to wiggle around it. The DCEU up until the marlel'ing was, basically, "why call these people superheros?" while still operating under studio mandates to be superhero movies.

So they were movies about characters that are neither heroic or admirable in any way, shape, or form, but they're still called superheros.

>>83642111
Show me one scene where Bruce directly puts a bullet in someone.

Take your time.

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>>83632488
>>83632572

stop talking out of your asses if you're not /co/. When Robin died Bruce was more loose with his rules. then superman fixed him, just like in the movie as well, watch the funeral scene.

I love how the only people who hate/didn't get the flick are ones who think they know Batman.

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>>83642158
>So they were movies about characters that are neither heroic or admirable in any way, shape, or form, but they're still called superheros.

>nothing admirable
>nothing heroic

>why didn't Arthur just cut Mordred's spear in half with Excalibur?

>>83642166
what, like, with his hand?

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>>83642240
They're the same faggots who had zero problem with Superman acting as the government's pawn in TDKR and maiming Ollie. The hypocrisy is as obvious as it is hilarious.

The fact that they can't even see what an astute assessment of modern culture it was to make that transposition just doubles down on the hilarity.

>>83640150
>Zach Snyder interpretation is one of the most interesting one
A half assed copy paste of Miller´s Batman where it´s just an hypocrite psychopath that let the worst live?

>>83642258
Yeah. Hand on gun. Eye-to-eye, with them unquestionably as his intended target.

You'll think I'm splitting hairs. I'm not. He was, and that's the entire point.

>>83631289
why wouldn't he? it's way more efficient than punching people

>>83639100
So many excuses

>>83642458

In the batmobile chase scene

He pulls the trigger and the cannons rip apart the minigun operator before blowing up the car

He also takes a persons head off by driving the batmobile

>>83632993
I remember I got bullied for dressing up as Robin in 97 due to the costume having bat nipples

feels bad mang

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>>83631289
YO, OMAR IN THIS BITCH ERE!!!
Omar got a gun,
Joker got a bag!!!
Dark Nigght be blastin fools,ya all!!!

>>83643266
Incorrect. He only ever targets the suspension.The guy in the truck trailer later is full-on collateral damage that he couldn't even see.

He puts himself into situations where he knows people are going to try to kill him, which lets him rationalize the actions he takes as "self-defense," but even then, he always needs some sort of buffer, something to distance himself, detach himself from the actual act. It's the same psychology at work behind the branding.

My bet is that Bruce had already killed once before, most likely in an intensely personal manner, in a moment of rage. This is him compromising with his own bloodlust, simultaneously justifying his actions while distancing himself from them.

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>>83643753
pic related

>>83638991
Except in BvS it happened in a dream. So did he go back in time or did he go through some sort of dream universe?

>>83643801
I'm sure they survived that car crash perfectly fine, all they did was flip to the side while speeding.

>>83643889

Not even a second later the Batmobile rams the car and it explodes

So even then Batman does kill

>>83634286
Multiple stormtroopers literally running up to him jesus christ lol

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>>83631289
Because Zack Snyder likes ruining comic book characters.
If only we could get a Batman movie along the lines of the Arkham games, that might actually be good.

>>83641478
underrated

>>83645639

When did Snyder get this dark colour palette?

I remember dawn of the dead being colorful

>>83640260
no hes just a big gamer

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>>83632062
Icy your point. It's cooler to have one suit to chill with your companions and another one to freeze your enemies still with your fresh looks. But I'm afraid that suit on your picture leaves me rather cold. The only rate it deserves is absolute zero, and I don't want to be cold-hearted, but it's just how ice see it.
Anyway, gotta go, stay frosty!

>>83645834
Sucker Punch was like a dark green movie. Maybe that's where it started.

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>>83643753
Dude you're so insanely autistically fucking retarded about the muh suspension memes. Even if he was "only aiming at the suspension," he clearly strafed into the cabin and lit up the lights on both sides of the shooter. If he wasn't trying to cause death, that makes him incompetent.

And even ignoring him literally shooting dudes to death with a fucking machine gun mounted on his batmobile, and even ignore him knowingly crashing his batmobile into an occupied truck trailer, you're also ignoring him needlessly dragging a disabled car full of people and smashing it into things.

And even ignoring all that, the "not killing" thing probably top 5 attributes people think of when they think of Batman after TDK. If you're going to show Batman killing, maybe don't have him casually doing it in the second act for literally no reason. In TDKR Batman knowingly shoots up his gf in her truck, because Gotham is at risk of being vaporized in a few minutes. In BvS, Batman masterbatingly kills a bunch of security contractors with a machine gun in a failed attempt to steal something that he just steals off camera later.

>>83646137
dial it down with the puns in that i mean the temperature

>>83631289
his jihadi buddies taught him

>>83646137
Really breaks the ice.

>>83638714
>witherspoon

RUBBER BULLETS YOU DUMB FAGGOTS

>>83631650
underrated

>>83643753
My dude, he straight up kills people. But that's ok.

Anyone who says "You can't do this with your interpretation of a character because this is what they're SUPPOSED to be" or "This is what I think they should be" is a fucking idiot.

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>>83638937
>That Bruce's psychology only allows him to kill in self-defense or in an out-of-sight/out-of-mind sort of way. It has to be in some manner he can rationalize as being not his fault.
thats just how fucking Zack rationalized him murdering a bunch of people for no reason when critics called him out on it. He doesn't think his fucking Batmanslaughter is something canon batman wouldn't do.

>I didn't kill them. The gun I was firing didn't kill them. The bullets and all the explosions did.
>not my fault they where too close to all those exploding bullets I was shooting at them