Is it good or is everyone just meming it

If you want an action movie it's good.
If you want a Marvel flick it's probably not for you.
If you want a comic film it's hella fucking awesome.

>>83605904
everyone is just memeing it

First 2/3rds are preddy gud
Last third shits the bed with bad action and forced plot beats.
UC is 6.5-7/10; MoS is better.

>>83605904
Peak capeshit. Nothing else comes close except Unbreakable.

1/10 one of the worst movies ever made
/tv/ is the only place in the whole internet with people who loves this abomination
snyder should kill himself

absolute piece of shit, dont waste your time
even the worst marvel flicks are miles better

>>83605904
If you watch the Ultimate Cut it's pretty good.
Of you can't sit through three hours then maybe it's not for you.
I don't recommend the Theatrical.

>>83605904
I can only speak for myself - its one of the best capeshit I've seen and I've seen a lot of capeshit

>>83605904
>getting memed on for 2 years

>>83606068
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>>83606241
this
dont listen to snyder drones, it's absolute shite
go watch wonder woman if you want some decent capeshit

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>>83606262
jesus fucking christ, /tv/ is such a shithole because of you dcucks,at least marvel drones dont ruin this board

>>83605904
First part is glorious, second part is slow, disjointed and weird, last third is CGIfest with shitty acting.

Some scenes are great and better than anything Marvel has ever done (Metropolis destruction, Bruce's parents death, Superman's DON'T READ IF YOU HAVEN'T WATCH THE MOVIE funeral).

But overal story is clumsy, most characters lack any motivation, action scenes were worse than Marvel (And Marvel has a story with dealing with bad action sequences), plot is overstuffed and you feel like they include 1000 things just to build up, and not for any real reason.

7/10

>>83606068
Seriously this. It's watchable if you love capeshit but it's really pretty bad. Guy who played lex Luther nailed it though

>>83606245
I liked the theatrical over the ultimate...

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>>83606274

It's fucking awful
it's nonsense story telling for about 2 hours followed by an hour of bad CGI men hitting each other and then eventually a bad CGI monster man

>>83606099
this

>>83606335
I wish they included more "neutral evil Lex" of the end, and less of the "flamboyant funny BOYS Lex"

no this board is full of contrarians the movie is shit

>>83606315
Then hide the thread and fuck off.
You're contributing nothing to the board by bitching.
You're as bad as a reddit crybaby.

>>83606387
In other words, it's just like every superhero movie ever.

>>83605904
It's pretty damn good

>>83606470
most superhero movies are 90-120 minutes - this had the audacity to add an extra hour of its bullshit. Yes, most capeshit is fucking terrible though

>>83606320
>Metropolis destruction

generic disaster porn

>Bruce's parents death

This is well shot but not mind blowing and already been done a couple times before.

>Superman's DON'T READ IF YOU HAVEN'T WATCH THE MOVIE funeral

Two long boring funerals does not a good scene make. especially when he's not even dead. Logan had a superior DON'T READ IF YOU HAVEN'T WATCH THE MOVIE funeral and much shorter.

BvS is shit. Literally no one can raise a decent point as to why its good except LOL IM TROLLING

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>>83605904
If you're not married to the characters as they've appeared in cartoons, know comics lore, and don't need a story spoonfed to you like an autistic child, you'll love the shit out of it.

It treats the characters as actual human beings, complete with their own psychologies, the plot's Byzantine in just about the best way possible, and Eisenberg's Luthor is an incredible revamp of the character.

When you're done, ask yourself why Bruce chooses to make a spear, then head on back to his dream for the single-most vital clue.

>>83606262
I'm with this guy.

No, it's garbage.
But for some weird reason it became politicized and you have to like it if you don't want to be called an SJW.

>>83606363
I did too. All the Ultimate really did was fill in blanks I'd already filled in for myself.

>>83606574
>Hamfisted Superman=Jesus shit
>treats them like human beings

>>83605904
superman literally cries for mommy during the fight. batman remembers he had a mommy. they have butt secs later then the guy who made face book remembers that frankenstien was a book and wonderwoman is there just to introduce a character they hope will grow the dc brand

avengers catch up move 1 the abridged edition

at least bvs seems like honest filmmaking

its divisive OP, give it a try and hopefully you wont regret it. For me, i really enjoy it thought there are a few weak moments, WW email scene specifically.

>>83606574
>know comics lore
most people that claim to hate it as fans, know fuck all in truth

>22ip's
>32 posts
Jesus Christ you autistic faggot, sorry the MCU is in such a shitty place at the moment, hopefully Thor will be good for a change.

>>83606672
Nice. You can regurgitate. Now let me explain why you're wrong:

Superman =|= Jesus,

Just because you're a barely literate, uncultured twat doesn't mean everyone is. Get an education.

>>83606821
Funny coming from someone who doesn't know what 'explain' means.

The movie is a lot like "The Happening"

>>83606727
>TDK was a big success and was gritty so let's make our new movies gritty in the laziest way possible
>Marvel films are popular and they have a cinematic universe quips so let's shoehorn that in our movies the laziest way possible

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>>83606131
>Peak capeshit is a 5/10
Really makes you think

>>83606906
Oh, so you really want to be spoon-fed. then?

Why doesn't Lex see him as Jesus? Why does Lex mention three other deities? Why does Lex say that Zod "flew too close to the sun"? What about all the other iconography that's not associated with Jesus? And last of all, why are you ignoring that the image I originally provided in >>83606574 isn't even a depiction of Jesus to begin with?

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MoS was about Clark growing up from being a guy from Kansas with strange powers and searching his purpose on Earth to a superhero who embraces his destiny and saves the world. The character arc in BvS is about Clark learning to deal with aftermath of that: the burden of being a public superhero and thus the object of political interest and controversy. He learns that despite his powers, he can't always do the right thing and save everyone. People will still die because he is fallible. A true hero is one who may fall down but just gets back up again.

When Superman saves the child from the burning apartments, he is surrounded by dead people embracing him, even worshipping him. But Superman doesn't happily take it all with a smile. In fact, he reluctantly turns his head away in what appears to be him feeling some sort of dread or pain.

I think this is Superman realizing that he is surrounded "by the dead". That he is so different from them, they will know death, he will not. Maybe it's even part shame, knowing that our fates are set in stone while his isn't. A God among men. But he also desires to be one of us.

In his fight against Batman, Batman says "you don't know what it means to be brave. Men are brave". And this is true to some extent. An immortal God figure cannot be brave as there is no risk involved. "It's time you learn what it means to be a man" means coming face to face with death, which is what separates Superman from man. If he can't do that, then he cannot be brave and he cannot be man.

This dilemma of death is eventually adressed in the climax of the film, as he comes to terms with his own mortality, and pays the ultimate price of a human being. Superman becomes man. Superman overcomes the final trial. And that is accepting his own death. And this is when Batman finally recognizes Superman as man.

Bravo Snyder

>>83607112
not him, but wasn't that just implication Bruce never wanted to really skewer Supes anyways?

>>83607112
Why does Lex do anything? What about the clear focus on Jesus iconography in MoS?

>>83605904
watched the ultimate cut and thought it was the same type of cookie cutter no risks no interesting visuals nothing remarkable in general snoozefest as every other capeshit movie nowadays

aka okay mcdonalds movie

only grew to hate it because of how the kids on this board talk about it

>>83605904
It's utterly pretentious capeshit that suffers from bad pacing, script and mediocre acting. Those alone are the standard capeshit fare. The absolute characterizations of the titular characters though is unforgivable.

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>>83607151
That is exactly what it is. More to the point, it's Bruce's unconscious warning him that by turning a blind eye to what Superman really is, he's allowing his own obsessions to consume him.

>>83607190
>clear focus on Jesus iconography in MoS?
kingdom Come? duh

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>>83605904
If you're a 12-22 guy, it's really good. Basically, Snyder is incapable of understanding characters or motivations beyond adolescent masculinity. His visuals are pretty, but largely lifted from other sources. His themes are hamfisted and surface-level. None of this will bother the young male demographic.

If your tastes are little more mature, you'll quickly find yourself annoyed by Snyder's over-reaching, pretentious psuedo-depth.

So, really the answer is "it depends." You do you, man. It's totally okay to love the movie and it's totally okay to hate it.

>>83605904
watch the ultimate edition.
theatrical was kinda bad.

>>83607240
figured as much, though my dude that not man-bat, that's meant to be an adaption of the bat creature that Bruce saw in a flashback in DKR.

Only difference is DKR Bruce didnt get consumed.

>>83607276
That supports Superman=Jesus

>>83607305
>but largely lifted from other sources
eh?

>>83607374
you havent read kingdom come have you

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>>83607190
>Why does Lex do anything?

Because unlike pretty much everyone else on the planet, Lex learned what the metahumans really are and what their presence means. Their presence is significant and quite possibly not a random occurrence. Lex understands, quite possibly because of what he learned from the Kryptonian AI, that gods and magic are an actual thing, that metahumans didn't inspire our myths. Our "myths" were the reality and the metahumans are just echoes of those forces.

>>83607190
>What about the clear focus on Jesus iconography in MoS?
Wasn't all that clear in focus, actually. It's just that the very least perceptive picked up on the most blatantly obvious and called it "hamfisted" without even bothering to ask themselves why it was there and what it might mean, For example, here's Superman filling the role more commonly assigned to figures like Horus and Apollo. Given the desert setting, you decide which you find more appropriate.

>>83607393
Snyder is well known for lifting panels straight from famous issues when constructing scenes. If he didn't do it as often as he does, it would be a pretty cool homage to the comicbook source.

>>83607440
You're not referring to the biblical concept?

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>>83607448
>It's just that the very least perceptive picked up on the most blatantly obvious and called it "hamfisted" without even bothering to ask themselves why it was there and what it might mean

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjS6bQ5OQ-o

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>>83607121
I look on Clark's Day of the Dead rescue as both a call-back to his shared vision with Zod in MoS and an omen of sorts. an indication that he's leading humanity down the wrong path, much like what the talking heads on TV are discussing.

Pic related is the moment when he really starts to understand what it is he's been seeing - worship. plain and simple.

>>83607448
Why does that make him want to kill Superman?

>It's just that the very least perceptive picked up on the most blatantly obvious and called it "hamfisted"
It's a fucking movie. It has to be judged on what it actually SHOWS.
You can make up some "deep" fan fiction in your head with every movie no matter how shitty.

I think I've come to the conclusion regarding this movie...

Everyone has it all wrong. I could sit here and try to explain why you aren't understanding the movie, but it wouldn't work... Because words cannot describe this movie.

And isn't that what movies are for? To tell a story that can't be told through words?

Either you "get" this movie, and see it for what it is - an extremely well crafted, well thought out work of contemporary art... or you don't.

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>>83607555
And here he is unquestionably being depicted as Apollo. The iconography depends on who's looking and what sort of god they see him as. That's up to and including the digital "ghost" of his own father.

>>83607656
I've been saying the same thing about Boku No Pico. But all these plebs here just don't get deep art.

>>83607482
No, he's referring to a miniseries called "Kingdom Come" that came out back in the 90s.

It's sort of a "if Armageddon actually happened in the comic book world, what would it look like?" take on the characters in a potential future that's experienced a metahuman "baby boom."

>>83607804
desu DC has mastered the 'what if' stories
gods and monster, flashpoint, kingdom, red son, allstar..

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>>83607637
>Why does that make him want to kill Superman?

To step into the role Superman is starting to fill in people's lives. Lex is already seen as a philanthropist, a "saint" if you will, but he wants more. He wants to be seen as the savior of mankind, even if he has to do it from a threat he created, even if he has to do it by proxy. He's willing to both drag down mankind's current savior as well as use him to eliminate the only other man on the planet who could conceivably fill that role in the same way as him.

>It's a fucking movie. It has to be judged on what it actually SHOWS.
But everything we're talking about *was* either shown or alluded to.

>>83606439
I agree. The neutral "let's just cause chaos because fuck it why not? I'm bored and can do it!"

>>83608096
The movie fails to sell us on Lex being seen as a saviour or even Superman.

>But everything we're talking about *was* either shown or alluded to.
No it was vague and full of contradictions.

>>83607470
ohh, no that's a good point actually

>>83606315
/tv/ is paradise. I come everyday from see wee baby like you cry

It will never make me fail to laugh and cry inside that this board is infested with retarded fagmonster manchildren that consider themself "enlightened" and "patrician" because they enjoy a shitty superhero movie based on characters targeted towards actual children.

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>>83608165
>The movie fails to sell us on Lex being seen as a saviour or even Superman.

Lex isn't seen as a savior. just a philanthropist.

>Superman not seen as a savior
Yeah, that's why people aren't reaching out to him like a holy relic, and painting his symbol on their roofs like some sort of updated Passover, huh?

Why do you think he's just hovering there? He's starting to realize the message he's sending to people, how his angle of attack is every bit as important as the end result. What message does it send if he rescues those people first? What about last?

>"I want to know how he decides whose lives matter and whose lives do not."

>>83605904
Solid 6/10

Half is good half is bad

I really enjoyed the ending with Superman's memorial, the literal message of Superman's goal right there; inspiring hope in humans to look to each other as allies and support and hope

>>83608385
>Lex isn't seen as a savior. just a philanthropist.
He's a full on rapist.

>>83608009
All masterworks of the genre, all the way back to TDKR.

>>83608385
99% of the movie shows Superman as a villain, as someone who doesn't give a fuck, someone who punches guys, as a criminal, etc..

>>83607305
What do you think the film is about?

You can use buzzwords like adolescent masculinity, ham-fisted themes and pseudo-depth... but anyone can say X is not good. But did you truly understand it? Did you comprehend it or just reject it upon delivery and provide yourself the most simplistic and cynical interpretation of the work. What is your counter-example to your perceived failures in BvS?

>>83606018
>If you want an action movie that's actually a boring drama for over half of it's length, it spends a long time on inconsequential things not related to the main plot, motivations that come off as rushed and half baked, and has a very unsatisfying climax, it's good.

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>>83608546
No it doesn't. There's more heroism in this 3 second shot than a host of other movies. Or are you the sort of turbo-autist that actually needs to see things happen on-screen in realtime to accept their place in a story?

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jesus christ do we really need ANOTHER bvs/mos thread? I mean really...

>>83608634
It means the movie does an extremely bad job at portraying it.

Imagine a movie where the character is shown to be nothing but a jerk on-screen but you slice in a few cards that say "He's a good guy".
That's pretty much what a Snyder Superman movie is.

>>83608810
So jerks drop what they're doing to go rescue a kid from a burning building, then get concerned and confused and frustrated when people worship them?

>>83608552
>But did you truly understand it?

Ah yes, the ole "you didn't understand it, that's why you don't like it" argument.

It's a pretty damn good comic book movie.

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>>83608934
Not him, but if you're >>83607305, you're nowhere near as "above" this film as you think you are. Come back when you actually earn the right to be smugly dismissive.

In case you didn't notice, you've just been smugly dismissed. Justifiably so.

>>83608932
In a completely disconnected scene that contradicts the rest of the movie.

It's pretty the same as all the other capeshit, just slightly grittier. I wouldn't bother

>>83608934
Ah yes avoiding the question because you're afraid to expose your ignorance. If you did understand it, I would gladly accept your analysis.

>>83609043

You're a retard.

>>83609043
>because I can't follow themes, they don't connect

All on you, buddy. I watched the original Friday the 13th last week. Shitties romcom I've ever sat through. the slapstick was overdone and almost none of the jokes landed. The murders were a bit out of place, too.

>>83609078
I'm not the one praising a lazy action flick made by a simpleton.

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>>83609018
>you've just been smugly dismissed

SAVE
MARTHA

>>83609125
No, you're just the simpleton who declares things stupid when you don't understand them.

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>>83608552
The movie is about Batman fight Superman. On a deeper level, it's a film about what Snyder perceives as the internal struggle of a god learning to live among mortals, and struggle of mortals learning to accept the reality of gods. There certainly are attempts to dissect the concept of heroism, but they rarely go beyond the depth of browsing wikipedia articles about the subjects the film attempts to engage with and looking at classic examples of heroes in art. Basically, Snyder engages with his sources on a sophomoric level. Ostensibly, he is aware of the sources and what they are readily interpreted as, but because he has not devoted the appropriate resources to their study, he does not actually understand them. The result of this is that he is unable to adequately engage with them. Consider something like Milton's Paradise Lost. A quick look at the wikipedia page will tell you that Satan is the "hero" of the work, and if you only read the first 2 books, which happen to be the most exciting and visceral, you may come away with that same impression. But actually studying the work in the context of its creation and the philosophy of its author will reveal that Satan is merely designed to APPEAR as the hero. This is absolutely clear to anyone who as actually read the entire work.

Yes, there are allusions in Snyder's work, and yes they SEEM to display depth, but because Snyder doesn't understand the works he alludes to the work itself misses the mark.

Probably the one thing I really didn't like was all the real world media types doing cameos. They should have just made up a bunch of fictional counterparts in the DC comics tradition of making up fake countries and people to stand in for real world thing.

>>83609136
Hey, I'm not the guy who jumped into the discussion calling other people's tastes juvenile, like a pretentious twat, then stepped on my own dick by revealing exactly how much I didn't understand.

Here's your fedora back.

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>>83605904
It's great

>>83607656
Exactly.
If you get the film, it's a masterpiece.
If you don't it's chaotic trash.
Similarly, hearing Virgil's Georgics recited in the original Latin sound beautiful to one who speaks the language.
To the ignorant forsaken pleb they hear only gibberish.
Cinema is a language, and like James Cameron said, Snyder is creating a new cinematic language.

>>83609171
>DUDE MUH ELEMENTARY LEVEL SYMBOLISM

>>83609106
What are you implying?
That I judge the movie by the first set-up scenes?

>>83609171
But I'm perfectly willing to discuss the supposed brilliance of the movie like I'm doing right now.
None of you have managed to come up with any convincing argument though.

>>83609201
>struggle of a god learning to live among mortals
>fundamentally misunderstood the movie
Sad!

>>83609362
I think there's more to it than that.

If you don't get any of it, it's a mess.
If you get it, but don't actually have any understanding of the stuff the movie is trying to work with it seems like a masterpiece.
If you you "get it" and understand the stuff Snyder is trying to allude to it's returns to being a big dumb mess.

I think this is why you see so much confusion in its reception.

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>>83609214
NDT canonically exists in the DC universe

>>83609362
>turn down saturation
>copy-paste popular images

WoW WhAt A GeNiUs
LoOk At My NeW LaNgUaGe
IsN't It ClEvEr

I fell asleep. Then I was half awake during a CGI shitfest of explosions with a monster spoiled by a trailer a year beforehand. Y.a.w.n

>>83609509
Tip your Fedora harder, Tyson, Christ.

>>83609509
That was also dumb.

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Legitimately one of my favorite cape movies.

I am depressed that a cuck like Whedon is taking over when Snyder was consistently making amazing movies.

>>83609480
Forgot the 4th tier.
Fully grasping the allusions but understanding their context in the greater narrative and identifying the post-modern reappropriation of imagery as more than just a reference but as a form of dense visual communication unlike anything depicted in commercial cinema before. Here the film doesn't seem to be a masterpiece, it IS a masterpiece, going beyond mastery of developed skills but also innovative beyond comparison in the medium.

>>83609723
See >>83607555

You can find "depth" in anything if you really look for it.

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Part of what I like about this movie is all the little details. Like when Anatoli Knyazev kidnaps Lois this song is playing over the speakers in the lobby

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0pqHZMq6NU

Then later when he's holding Ma Kent captive he quotes the lyrics to her.

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>>83609384
>DUDE MUH SOPHOMORIC GRASP OF THE MESSAGE

>>83609510
>Only sees superficial qualities of visuals.
>No concept of the psychology of the cinematic moving picture, or the millennias long development of visual storytelling that Snyder taps into
So these are the people who trash his work, truly pathetic

>>83609860
I recommend you listen to some of Snyder's director commentary. His reasoning for anything in his movies is as superficial as it can be.

>>83609799
Also there's the reason why Lex kills Mercy which is so subtle you could almost miss it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vC46ZLC33hw#t=73

Lex is basking in the glow of the Kryptonite and Mercy walks over to share in his glory, but when he sees her there he's shocked then angry that she thinks she's his partner. So the very next scene between them he's sending her to her death.

This is even more pathetic than the people that try to sell the Star Wars prequels as a master piece.

It's a post modern deconstruction of DCs heroes through the lens of post 9/11 America.

As a piece of art it's one of the most striking ever made in the genre.

At the same time it is extremely alienating to the average viewer as it is rather uncompromising in its vision.

>>83609977
Also when people ask why Clark didn't try harder to convince Bruce that Lex was behind everything, it's because Clark doesn't believe that Bruce will listen to reason unless he's defeated. Remember what the wife of the murdered inmate tells him "A man like that words don't stop him, you know what stops him? A fist" of course this is setting up the twist that in the end it is words that stop him. SAVE MARTHA.

>>83609799
>A fictional movie where audiences draw comparisons to their reality (oh that's 9/11, that's Westboro, that's Trump etc.)
>Within the reality of the film, characters draw comparisons to the media they consume (Bruce models his life after Zorro, Lex quotes Wizard of Oz and Thus Spoke Zarathustra, KGBeast quotes Sinatra)
Based Terrio

>>83610036
They're actually pretty good.

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>>83609410
>None of you have managed to come up with any convincing argument though.

Here's your argument:

From the very first scene of Man of Steel, Snyder's subtly been sending the message that under the right circumstances, anything can become a god, even science. That's what Zod and the other Kryptonians worship - science, as embodied in their genetics program. People who don't stick to the program like Jor and Lara aren't just criminals, they're, in Zod's own words, heretics.

The message is that blind worship and deification are dangerous things. Zod can't see past his "religion." It's why co-existence with humanity isn't even an option for him. We have no place in the Codex, his "book" in other words. That "book" is part of Superman, too, in much the same way that for centuries in the West, your "book" was the Bible regardless of whether you ever set foot in a church or not.

Superman's "book," his people, his heritage, are all a part of who he is, but they don't define him, they don't dictate his role in the world. These movies are about him finding his place in the world, and this world reacting to him, the alien in our midst.

If you can't pick up on the immigrant vibes in that, there's really not much I can do to help you. It's all over both these movies, up to and including a media that focuses more on the controversy than the good, a manipulative elite that has a vested interest in propping him up as the boogeyman, and a monster that that same elite helps to birth whose first acts include lashing out at his creator and destroying a statue we earlier saw with "FALSE GOD" painted on it.

Odd are, Superman's "book" the Codex will be important again in JL, because of who the New Gods represent, and what they'd very much like to do with it and the army of brainwashed Kryptonian soldiers it could produce.

And this is just a particular angle. There's more besides this. If you don't find that interesting, frankly, I don't find *you* all that interesting.

>>83610275

Could elaborate more? I'm loving your posts.

What can you say about Snyder consistent portray of the importance of couples, man and woman, to the development of a healthy human being and society in general.

You see that in MoS with Jor and Lara, Jonathan and Martha, Clark and Lois. You see it in BvS with Thomas and Martha, Jonathan and Martha, Clark and Lois, and Bruce and Diana. And there was even more of this in Wonder Woman with Diana and Steve.

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>>83609977
I love the shit out of that. Lex refusing to let anyone else bask in the glow.

>"It's true what they say about little boys: born with no natural inclination to share."

>Lex never mentions his mother.

>>83610418
I think it's there to emphasize the importance of marriages, both metaphorical as well as literal - science and faith, East and West, god and man, pretty much the same emphasis that Lex makes in his speech. He presents all those "versus" as irreconcilable, because that's how he perceives them. It's the other two principals finding common ground that is his undoing, and all it took was one word.

>>83605904
>not watching it to form your own opinion

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my bad, i dropped something

>>83610418
To elaborate further, the principals' arcs all concern them confronting (or running from) truths about themselves. All three have introductory scenes that begin with them lying to someone:

Clark lies to Lois about not caring what people are saying. This is shown to be a lie by how he's riveted to the television every time someone's on discussing him. The reason he's lying about not caring is because he's in a bit of denial about what he's let his actions become. They're not purely heroic. They're born out of the guilt he's been carrying around over the events we see in Man of Steel. He feels responsible, like anyone would, and he's doing his best to make up for it, but he can't admit that to other people because he hasn't yet admitted it to himself. Clark confronts this and starts making peace with it just by making the decision to show up for the hearings. He confronts it further in his "conversation" with Pa, and he places it firmly behind him when he returns and confronts Doomsday, the literal embodiment of his guilt, and the "ghost" of the only man he's ever killed.

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>>83610428
>>"It's true what they say about little boys: born with no natural inclination to share."
>this may as well be the simple reason why he killed mercy

>>83610418
I'm not that poster, but I'm reminded of an interview with Snyder that I read about the John Boorman film Excalibur, which BvS is full of references to.

>http://www.dga.org/Craft/DGAQ/All-Articles/1002-Summer-2010/Screening-Room-Zack-Snyder.aspx

>Snyder marvels at how Boorman is able to mix moods so effortlessly. After Arthur's success in battle earns him the the hand of Leondegrance's daughter Guinevere, and all is festive, Merlin unveils the prophecy that "a dear friend will betray you." But Arthur isn't paying attention, and Boorman uses Merlin's exasperation to play the moment for a laugh.
>"It's the idea that men are powerless," says Snyder. "All the things that make us men—love, hate—that's
our downfall, the thing that destroys us."

This is very relevant to BvS, where Clark's love of his family is both his greatest weakness, and what gives him the strength to try to do good in a corrupt world. Snyder points this out in his use of the phrase "She was my world" in a number of key scenes. When Clark is talking to Jonathan's ghost, his father tells him about his mother "She gave me faith that there's good in this world. she was my world." Before this we saw in Batman's vision a Superman driven to evil by grief (and the influence of Darkseid) who says to Batman "She was my world, and you took her from me" before ripping out Batman's heart, and finally when Superman accepts that he is a part of this world and gives his life to defeat Doomsday he says to Lois "This is my world, YOU are my world." So his love of his mother and Lois is both what gives him the strength to do what he must and what may one day destroy him.

>>83606565
ironically no one can raise a reason for it to be bad other than lol im trolling
everything you listed is both subjective and literally wrong.

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>>83610889
Thanks man.

>"You are my world."

It gets me every time.

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>>83605904
It started out as a joke then actual retards started unironically shilling it

>>83611025
>Lit on one side by the apocalyptic flames around them
>Lit on the other by the soft reflected moonlight glistening from the pool of water they emerged from
K I N O

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>>83611025
>that sadness taking over him after he says that line
Fuck, I've never noticed it before.

>>83605904
>If you want a comic film it's hella fucking awesome.
I'm curious. Do actual DC fans (as in, people who actually still read and buy cape-comics involving superman and batman) really like their movies?
Anyone from /co/ happens to be passing by and can answer that?

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>>83610835
Bruce lies to Alfred about what he's after.

The reason Bruce lies is because telling Alfred the truth would tip his hand. Alfred would know he was on a vendetta and Bruce probably knows that given enough time, Alfred *could* make him see reason. That's really the key to Bruce's character - the "man" is the reasoning, compassionate side of his nature, the "bat" is the irrational, vengeance-obsessed side that is dominating his character for most of the film. It's why he's so tunnel-visioned. He sees only the target for his grief and sees only the things that support that view of his "enemy."

Bruce forces his own confrontation with that truth about himself when he chooses to forge a spear instead of a more "impersonal" weapon such as a bullet. Bruce can't justify cold-blooded murder of a helpless opponent. We see him kill in many ways over the course of the film, but never face-to-face, never without a buffer, never without some means of distancing himself from the act. The only exceptions are in his vision of the future where we see him kill without hesitation both with guns as well as with his bare hands. That is his rock-bottom, something he never reaches in the film, where he has Clark at his mercy, but predictably balks at the commission of the act he can't justify,

It is in that moment that the "man" begins to reassert himself.

>>83610959
>millions of thread all over internet with specific complaints
>valid complaints

BvS is mostly garbage for about 10 reasons

5.2/10

All the in-depth analysis of the world won't save it from being what it is, mediocre as a flick, terrible as a superhero movie.

>>83611236
It's a great moment.

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Reading these posts is absolutely surreal. Its been a long time since I've seen such a stunning display of cognitive dissonance.

Its like watching someone try to convince you that After Last Season is an artistic triumph and if you don't get it you're a simpleton.

I can't tell who is being ironic and who isn't anymore

>>83611278
I'm not from /co/ because it's largely a cesspool of irrational "I'MRIGHTLALALALA" fanboys, but I've read comic books for most of my life, Marvel, DC, all points in between, and I love these movies. Suicide Squad, not so much, though it had its moments as well.

Batman Begins was my favorite of the Nolan trilogy with an honorable mention to TDK.

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>>83605904

>>83605904
This movie is all about MAAAARRRTTHHHAAAA!!!

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>>83611354
Lex lies to everybody,

With the possible exception of himself. Lex was pretty much the poster boy for fake news before we even properly had a word for it. Here we have a man with all the information - literally all of it, and yet he only uses it to further his own agenda, to season his lies with just enough truth to make them palatable.

Lex lies to the Senators about his intentions, he lies to Bruce through the media outlets under his control, pushing the narrative as Superman as an "alien menace," he lies both about *and* To Clark about his reasons for wanting people to see him with "blood on his hands,"

He would have had his confrontation with the truth via Senator Finch, among whose last words were "Now is a time for truth," but Lex has no interest in truth, only perception. He murders his truth in that bombing, and he murders his Mercy as well.

It's ok. The narrative would have been better served if it didn't have to Jumpstart the rest of the dceu. Lois' subplot collects evidence of Lex's wrongdoing and conveniently being in the right place like MoS. Wonder Woman and Doomsday need not be there at all.

Maybe that way, there would have been time for all the cut scenes to be in the theatrical cut. But it essentially doubles down in everything MoS did, good and bad.

>>83605904

>"YOUR MOM'S NAME IS MARTHA???? MY MOM'S NAME IS MARTHA!!!!!!!! LET'S BE FRIEND'S!!!!!!!

DON'T BOTHER

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>>83611519
Welcome to the club.

>>83611530
I read the comic books when I was a kid and I think it's shit.

The movie gets worse as time goes on. In the end it negates all positive thoughts you had about it.

I'm glad we finally have a good DCEU movie so maybe some people can stop pretending to like Snyder trash.

watch injustice 2 instead

>>83609071

Why would I waste time analyzing something I didn't like? I don't need to be validated by you. The movie sucked, but the memes and salt are amazingly entertaining. Im glad the movie happened for that reason alone. If you want to think people who didn't like it didn't "get it" go ahead. If thats your argument, the movie was too deep or too smart for most people, than you either think very little of most people, which is your opinion of other people, which has nothing to do with the quality of film. Or, you're doing mental gymnastics to not admit that if the film failed to convey its intentions for most people. That then denotes the film failed. Blaming the audience and putting the burden on them to prove why its bad is completely backwards. They had no responsibility in its creation, they have to no connection to it once they dismiss it. its on you to accept the two possibilities. Either you think you're above most people and it's work of art that's better than most people or the movie failed. So pick one. Either everyone is an idiot, or one person is, which is it?

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>>83611873
I really enjoyed Wonder Woman, but I don't for one instant believe it has the depth and complexity present in Snyder's unofficial trilogy. I was glad to see them doubling down on the "mythology" and magic, though.

It's weird to think of in these terms, but these movies live in a slightly different space than other recent cape films. Those are always presented in terms of a world that could conceivably be our own. These films take place in a world where our "myths" are their reality.

>>83612046
Not him, but that's not what I think of other people at all. Just people like you.

>>83612046
Given that roughly 1/4 of the critics liked/understood it and 2/3 of the people who cared enough to give feedback on it did the same, I'm totally cool with saying about a third of the population and roughly 75% of critics aren't people I'd identify with.

>>83612097

You clearly didn't get my post.

>>83605904
stop shilling this piece of shit movie ffs

>>83605904
Its great

It's pretty good but it's no MoS

>>83606747
>>83606574
these desu OP

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>>83607334
>>83607240
also its the bat creature from a delete scene from the Kilmer movie

>>83612226

I have no idea where you get these fractions from, but you're the genius here and probably check and do math on every single review of this movie to make sure your opinion is validated by other people, I'll believe you. Must be hard being a super genius, probably why you identified with the movie so much, all this power and responsibility and you try and try to guide people on /tv/ that the movie was good or they're stupid.

>>83612244
I don't need mental gymnastics to justify my opinion of this movie, just the movie itself. It's like the perfect cipher. You can look at it and see a chaotic mess or you can look at it from another angle and see an intricate Baroque masterpiece.

The amazing part to me isn't how many people show up to express love for it. That I can understand. What I'll never get is people who show up in thread after thread for something they profess to hate.

I hate Lynch's take on "Dune." I think it's a steaming pile of shit no matter how you slice it, from the shitty effects, the utterly bizarre and off-putting interpretations of the characters, to the ridiculous voice-over for Alya, to utterly incomprehensible decision to turn "The Voice" into "Weirding Modules," but I don't show up in Dune threads to talk about Lynch being a retard who didn't understand the source material. Know why? Because it's not worth devoting any time and energy to.

People like you fucking baffle me.

>>83606387
>it's nonsense story

It's got a few loose ends but it's not nonsese. What parts were you having difficulty understanding?

What I don't understand is why everyone gives Snyder the dyslexic manchild credit instead of Terrio the Harvard educated classicist for all the references and details made in the film

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Zack Snyder has given up; the likes of countless fans and critics bestowing their hate upon him have taken their toll, as well as the life of his daughter.

Man of Steel was a failure--a film without a hero. A dour sci-fi fest devoid of hope and the heroic American values that inherently surround the Superman character. A movie afraid to portray the Boy Scout, a movie riddled with the childlike sensibilities of a man with a 200 million dollar budget.

Batman v Superman was the worst superhero film ever made--the worst because it failed on the most simplest of levels; the worst because it took the first cinematic outing between the two biggest pop culture figures and squandered it; their stamp on America being diluted and turned into this anti-heroic abomination filled to the utter brim with pompous quotes and nonsensical grimdark ideologies about "mythical" beings. A film that completely misses the mark, a film that is more concerned with rushing a cinematic universe rather than telling a story. A harsh, cold product.

Justice League will be the film that buries Snyder--it is the film that will expose him as a hack. Zachary forfeits his directing style in favor of a more family-friendly aesthetic that is ironically more in tune with that of Ant-Man; the very movie Snyder has ridiculed in the past. Snyder has turned into the people he used to mock, even going as far as handing the reigns of his creation to the competition; Joss Whedon. If you can't beat them, join them.

This is the end of ZackKino. The end of slo-mo scenes, biblical references, and inappropriate self-inserts of the director. The ride was entertaining, but now it's time to retire it. The bastardization of our favorite characters will now be wiped away and forgotten, this temporary grotesque age erased from our memories forever as we usher in a new age of DC.

Goodbye, Zack Snyder.

And Godspeed.

>>83612391
it's a man-bat, you faggot

>>83612391
It is called Man Bat

I only went to watch it because I played the Injustice fighting game. Which had a great Batman vs Superman plot.

But it wasn't on the same level. The movie had many great moments. And I think it would have been better if they left the alien part out. And perhaps gave Superman and Batman something to actually fight over.

>>83612510
>>83612491
you trying to say its literally the villain man bat? because its not

>>83612510
>>83612491
how does this discount it being an allusion to the Kilmer batman movie?

>>83612477
Because people are applying auteur theory to Hollywood studio shit

>>83606283
>>83606315
Imagine being so hurt that you samefag and start a flamewar

>>83605904

Shit story they ruined the essence that was Batman's one rule "don't kill". The only part I liked was the actual Batman v Superman fight, and Batman warehouse scene where he kicked a lot of ass. That was well choreographed sadly the ending was shit.

>>83612425
>What I'll never get is people who show up in thread after thread for something they profess to hate.

Honestly, in all seriousness, you need to think about this statement. You just admitted that you don't understand something people do.

>People like you fucking baffle me.

Right. Lets not let go of this. You don't understand someones way of thinking, you think this though

>I don't need mental gymnastics to justify my opinion of this movie, just the movie itself. It's like the perfect cipher. You can look at it and see a chaotic mess or you can look at it from another angle and see an intricate Baroque masterpiece.

You don't at all think it could be inverted for people? You can see why people like BvS but you can't see why kids love cinnamon toast crunch? come on.....

>>83612523
>And perhaps gave Superman and Batman something to actually fight over.

But the entire point is that the conflict was caused by just different points of view. You are asking for the movie to be about something else entirely.

>>83612477
I give credit to both since they are visual references and were in MoS too.

>>83605904
It's good until Wonder Woman shows up, that whole fight was a CGI fest with awful music, fuck off!

Other than that, good movie.

>>83612647
Like what?

>>83612630
>he cant actually explain why people come into thread after threat to profess they hate something

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>>83605904
>Is it good or is everyone just meming it

I'd rank it as:

The Dark Knight > BvS > MoS > Raimi's Spoodermin 1 & 2 > everything else.

>>83605904
It's good, just people are to stupid to understand a movie unless it's popcorn flicks or arthouse flicks with a open ending because funds ran out

>>83612664
Krypton with science as a religion.

Superman as literally a codex/book of Krypton (marrying the idea of Superman with the idea of the superman comic book in some ways).
Superman floating over the soldiers before his interview, ala Horus.


Thats just off the top of my head. But I do think its mostly Terrio.

>>83606018
If you want an action movie then this is OK. A few of the Batman scenes are very good.

It is an awkward mess of a film that suffers from some jarring portrayals and discordant writing.

So as an all-around movie, it gets a C- but if you just want effects and action then perhaps a B+.

If you think DC makes good movies then by all means see this. You'll think it is the greatest.

>>83612703
Solid list.

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>>83612625
>the essence that was Batman's one rule "don't kill".
The fucker violates this constantly yet for a movie in a different reality it's considered sacrilege by beta neo comic "fans"

>>83606018
>If you want an action movie it's good.
haha no

>>83606212
I love Snyder. But his DC work is garbage (except Watchmen 7/10)

>>83612766
>Krypton with science as a religion.
>Superman floating over the soldiers before his interview, ala Horus.

Where were these references in Batman v Superman?

>>83612419
No reason to be butthurt about it, man. We're not, or at least *I'm* not, trying to prop myself up as some sort of "super genius." As a matter of fact, I'd contend that the people who are really doing that are the guys who smugly declare it shit, then get their legs chopped off by the fans of the movie.

Cognitive dissonance will do that to you. You're getting defensive because someone has challenged your place in the grand scheme of things, made you maybe a little bit more aware of the fact that, just like the rest of us, maybe you're not the sharpest tool in the shed.

Then again, maybe you are. Admitting that maybe there's some merit to what's been discussed in this thread would go a long way toward showing which the case really is. Or you could just continue dismissing it all and clinging to the narrative where you're never wrong about anything ever, especially where this film is concerned.

>>83612703
MoS is better than BvS.

>>83606466
>daily double Ironic post

>>83612674
>I don't understand this
>this one poster failed to explain it

Dude, do you really not get it? you don't get it. You probably never will, if you don't get it by now you sure as fuck cant expect someone you don't understand to be able to explain it to you. Like fuck, do you try to learn how to cook from some who speaks a different language than you? You admitted you don't get it, I aint here to help you get it, Im just reminding you that you're at least self aware of not connecting or being emphatic to other humans beings. Its your own fault at this point, no one else.

>>83612625
>Shit story they ruined the essence that was Batman's one rule "don't kill"

Yes jesus, he does have that rule but this nagging of yours is just fucking stubborn: He doesn't ASSASSINATE but to immobilize a dozen goons you can't hold back and worry they might hit their head a little too hard. You have to STOP them in the least lethal way possible. Well that way still can be fairly lethal.

>>83606320
>Marvel has a story with dealing with bad action sequences

huh? Sometimes that's all that Marvel can get right. Age of Ultron would have been pure piss if not for the good fight scenes.

Also, Bruce parent's death scene repeated like THREE fucking time. Expected more than that lightweight shit from Zack. Movie sucked other than the Batman fights.

>>83612477
I credit Snyder for the visuals as well as the visual storytelling that's going on in both films. I credit Terrio for some absolutely top-tier dialogue, most specifically when it comes to literally every word that Lex delivers.

>>83606335
>Guy who played lex Luther nailed it though
You KNOW he's trolling now.

>>83612930
The screenwriter can be responsible for the visual storytelling as well, you know

>>83612819
what the fuck are you on crack? Were talking about MoS

>I give credit to both since they are visual references and were in MoS too.

>>83612924
>Age of Ultron would have been pure piss if not for the good fight scenes.
There wasn't any good scenes anywhere, they look even more shitty now

>>83612630

>>83612674 pretty much said exactly what I was thinking.

>>83612625
>>83612911
its specifically a story about how Batman SHOULDNT cross that line. Movies have been having him cross the line for years, and we finally get one that says he shouldnt do that and shows us exactly why and you bitch.

>>83612999
I thought you meant the visual references were in both MoS and BvS, showing that it was Snyder, not the screenwriter who was responsible for those choices.

>>83612860
>he still cant actually explain why people come into thread after threat to profess they hate something and instead just talks about other things to avoid having to say it.

>>83606574
I'm a comic book reader of over 40+ years. This perspective is rubbish.
This movie sucked. But watch it for a few excellent action scenes.

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>>83613033
ooo, well if you want that look at pic related

>>83612825

No, Im really just frustrated when people say things like 1/4 and 2/3 because stupid as fuck. It just triggers me to see people make up numbers and fractions to back up their statements. Post actual raw numbers/sources, don't pull fractions of out your ass. I see it a lot in timothy treadwell threads, the grizzly man. Ive studied wildlife biology, know a lot about it....but oh do people always got say something like "10% of bear attacks result in an injury" or some shit without an actual information or... it's "10% in Canada" not alaska. I just hate that kind of number ass pulling attitude. If you sat down and calculate the critics, show your math or stop posting fake numbers. You can have different opinion, don't use fake facts to back up your opinion though.

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>>83613033
also

>>83613054
>doesnt actually have a point
>appeals to his made up authority without sourcing any actual comics

kek

>>83613054
>this perspective of being accepting of alternate/new versions of characters is rubbish

son you need to read more comics, or at least more DC comics

>>83613065
>>83613075
How do you know this is Snyder and not Terrio's script?

>>83613045

Why would I explain it to you? You might leave, and it's more fun to keep seeing your dumb replies.

>>83613114
>I thought you meant the visual references were in both MoS and BvS, showing that it was Snyder, not the screenwriter who was responsible for those choices.


do you not remember what you just typed?

shills... so many shills

>>83613125
>he still cant actually explain why people come into thread after threat to profess they hate something and instead just talks about other things to avoid having to say it.

>>83613146
>reeee if u think different than me you a shill!!!


get a life

>>83613139
>>I thought you meant
Do you know how to read?

>>83607656
Oh boy. People that say "You just don't """understand""" or you would like it"

I understood it perfectly well. I also see that they made a dog's breakfast out of the script. They were so focused on the meta-story that they forgot to make a quality film. These DC films from Snyder shock me. I have loved all of his previous movies.

MoS suffered from DC movie writing. 5.9/10
BvS suffered from that and bad acting. 4.5/10

>>83610795
>caring about rotten tomatoes
Spotted the baby who needs his opinions fed to him.

>>83613175
what the fuck are you even saying? how does what you typed make any sense to you?

>>83613175
son, are you on crack?

>>83613212
>>83613224
Do you not understand that I was wrote what I thought the other anon was trying to say instead of saying, "this is what I believe"?
No wonder you relate to an illiterate like Snyder.

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>>83612987
Yeah, if you're saying Terrio sat and dictated the visuals while Snyder drew up his own storyboards, you may be on to something. I doubt that's the case, though, as Snyder gave us this of his own accord. It's easily the single-most impactful image from all of Watchmen to me, and to the best of my recollection, it's no one's image but Snyder's.

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>>83613255
>Do you not understand that I was wrote what I thought
>calling others illiterate

oh the irony.


Also what do you need to prove to you it was Snyder? Can you prove it was in Terrio's script? Most scripts dont have visual references like that in them. "Now have him be stabbed just like his father was in the last one." Nah. Also they started shooting when Terrio did his re-writes.


Lastly, Snyder is even doing it across BvS and the JL trailer, pic related.

>>83613109
Ive read thousands of good and bad comics.
Also seen thousands of good and bad movies.

I recognize this as a bad movie and it has nothing to do with my taste in comics. I read Marvel AND DC. I have no allegiance. I just want good writing. So far, DC kicks ass in cartoons with the writing (mostly because they just lift from old good comics) and DC sucks bad in movies (but WW is pretty good)

BvS is just trash. I wish it wasn't but it is.

>>83613255
>cant even write English correctly
>calls other illiterate


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>>83613159
>copy/pasted replies

One of the best things about BvS is that it sheds light on one of the most misunderstood plot lines in super hero history:

Bruce Wayne doesn't turn into batman because he is traumatized due to his parents', his vengeance is not revenge. He wants to prove his father right. His father believed that there are good people in Gotham, that's why he risked taking his family for a stroll in the back alley after the opera instead of getting immediately in his car with security all around. If he didn't turn onto crime, he would have instead blamed his father for being irresponsible in a dangerous city. But Bruce want's to turn Gotham into what his father believed.

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>>83613074
I have one source, You know what it is.

>>83613313
>Most scripts dont have visual references like that in them. "Now have him be stabbed just like his father was in the last one." Nah.
Do you really think scripts are just dialogues? Some screenwriters even go so far as to explicitly lay out things like angles, frames and zooms.

>>83613336
>still cant site any specifics, just vague appeals to authority
>still not actually addressing the point just "ITS BAD OKAY! IT IS!!!"
>So far, DC kicks ass in cartoons with the writing (mostly because they just lift from old good comics)


AHAHAHAAHAHAHAH this fucking proves you dont read comics. What recent cartoons have they lifted from old good comics? Judas Contract, which they completely changed for their DTV format? TDKR which was years ago? JL: War or Throne of Atlantis from the old old, so old, New 52?


Which comics were adapted the Justice League Action cartoons? Which comics did Young Justice adapt?


None, because you make shit up you pleb.

>>83613362
>he still cant actually explain why people come into thread after thread to profess they hate something and instead just talks about other things to avoid having to say it.

>>83613403
The only screen writers that do that are also directors. Most writers that do that know their visual ideas wont make it into the final version.


And again, no proof it was Terrio over Snyder.

>>83613403
>most scripts dont have visual references LIKE THAT in them
>Do you really think scripts are just dialogues?

AHAHAAHAH you are fucking illiterate.

>>83605904
It's shit. Most critics and audiences agree.

>>83613336
oh yeah right, I forgot all the amazing old comics being lifted in Teen Titans Go....

>>83613532
> Most critics and audiences agree.

No, it has over 60% audience rating on RT....

>>83605904
It is memeing.

>>83613362
Dude, you've gone full-on passive-aggressive at this point. Literally everyone reading your posts is aware of it with you being the possible exception.

Even you can't explain why you're here.

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If you don't think it's a good film, you are reddit. End of story.

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>>83613605

>>83605904
I liked it and don't usually like superhero films. There is some really clumsy dialogue and writing at times, but it's mostly fine and very nice visually. 7.5/10 action blockbuster

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why are bvs/mos threads so comfy lads?

>>83613501
>>83613515
>screenwriters just write dialogue
Again you guys are fucking brainwashed by auteur theory. I blame Cahiers.

And I guess it's pointless to argue whether it was really Terrio given that we don't have access to his script, but I think it's far more likely a Harvard educated screenwriter was responsible for all the classical allusions and references than a guy who directed commercials before marrying his producer.

>>83613604

Why are you here?

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>>83613662

>>83611530
Go back to Facebook.

>>83613679
Because everyone on the spectrum is contained to a single thread

>>83613679
Because it's fun to watch redditors squirm as they struggle to understand a fraction of what us enlightened DChads already do.

>>83613605
Hadn't seen this one. That's a damn good catch.

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>>83613685
zack snyder went to art school and has demonstrated repeatedly an interest in and knowledge of mythology and religion

i love terrio and he should be given more credit than he generally is, but snyder is the primary force behind the film

>>83613685
>screenwriters just write dialogue


Really? THATS what you got from those posts? Especially the one that was specifically calling you illiterate for getting that conclusion previously?


Goddamn I guess there is no cure for retardation.

>>83613687
>he still cant actually explain why people come into thread after thread to profess they hate something and instead just talks about other things to avoid having to say it.

Why everybody heff to be so mad? It's only movies.

>>83613773
gorgeous

>>83613773
>and has demonstrated repeatedly an interest in and knowledge of mythology and religion
I want some evidence for this from Sucker Punch

>>83613790
I think it's fair given that you guys basically ignore Terrio, even when he was the one who said he was stuffing BvS full of philosophy and mythology.

>>83613393

Yea, but that's THAT source. Like I just said with bear attacks, those results have to be compiled. would you only look at bear attacks in alaska, or only in canada? You have to compile data. I see this too often where one side uses the data that helps their argument. If you poll a bunch of people in colorado about their fear of shark attacks I guarantee you it will be lower than people in hawaii.

>>83613790
What's with all the reddit spacing these days? This isn't an essay that won't get accepted by your teacher because you didn't make it 5 pages, you know.

>>83613605
>"Awake and sing, ye who dwell in dust, for thy dew is like the dew of the morning, and the grave shall give birth to her dead."

>>83613859
> given that you guys basically ignore Terrio

I literally said earlier I give credit to both.

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>children's movies

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>>83613923
yeah dude that's great, but baby, i need my quips. gimme the quips. fuck philosophy and religion, i demand quips

>>83613901
>can't argue the points anymore so he has to resort to commenting on SPACING


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>>83613679
I don't know, but I love them, too.

Anyone else here hope pic-related shows up in JL as one of the faithful?

>>83613992
>can't say anything so he memes
Classic reddit

>>83613992
>redditor can't understand anonymous posting
Sad!

>>83612781
>>83612911
>>83613030

Jeez I was just saying it in a calm attitude no need to go ape shit.

/tv/ really is full of cancer

>>83613992
Why can't you just type lol

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>>83614010
>>83614025
>pointing out other's flaws is a meme now
>if you point out how I'm wrong you don't understand!!

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>>83614103
>disagreeing with me politely is going apeshit

grow a skin u sensitive tumblrite

>>83606018
>hella Fucking awesome
I thought people who spoke like this were just a meme

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>>83613687
Because I actually love this movie. I like sharing things I've noticed with other fans. I like conjecturing on what we think will happen in the final installment in Snyder's unofficial trilogy.

I'm also very intrigued with the world they've set up - actual Themyscira, actual Atlantis, actual gods, climactic prehistoric wars, It's fascinating to me, because it's the first franchise that's treated the lore with respect. It's a lot like watching the comic book equivalent of Lord of the Rings brought to the big screen.

>>83614121
Did your teacher accept all the AHAHAs?

>>83614146
>It's a lot like watching the comic book equivalent of Lord of the Rings brought to the big screen.

good description

>>83614103
newfag pls go and stay go

>>83614121
Keep replying, you're improving the thread.

>>83614121
>>83613992
Is this how the average bvs fanboy argues?

>>83613773
That's fan-fucking-tastic.

>>83614182
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>>83614171
>getting this triggered
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>>83613859
>I want some evidence for this from Sucker Punch

Why would you demand proof from a movie that is pointedly *not* about either mythology or religion? Why don't you ask for proof of it in something else completely divorced from the subject like Dawn of the Dead?

>>83605904
It felt like it was all over the place and the pacing was awful. It shouldn't have included the Doomsday plotline and Batman killing people without remorse was awful to watch with no context beyond he's been working for 20 years

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>>83613773
It saddens me that Terrio doesn't make anymore public appearances or interviews.

>>83614146
>Because I actually love this movie.

now I just feel bad for you. This doesn't feel like LOTR movies, feels more like the hobbit. I feel like JL is going to be battle of five armies all over again.

>>83614333
have you seen this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqeYuWU1Ww8

>>83613865
>Yea, but that's THAT source. Like I just said with bear attacks, those results have to be compiled. would you only look at bear attacks in alaska, or only in canada? You have to compile data. I see this too often where one side uses the data that helps their argument. If you poll a bunch of people in colorado about their fear of shark attacks I guarantee you it will be lower than people in hawaii.

I used a review aggregator and I even qualified my statement by saying that the figures I was using were those who *cared* enough to provide their opinion.

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>>83614356
Yeah but goddamnit, its not enough.

>>83614354
2/3 hobbit movies were actually pretty decent

>>83614141
Everyone used to use hella like 15 years ago, meaning its probably still popular in the Midwest of the America.

Also people in San Fagsico still use it, since it originated from there.

>>83614326
> Batman killing people without remorse was awful to watch with no context beyond he's been working for 20 years

You arent very bright are you? It made this out to be a bad thing, something Batman SHOULDNT have been doing. And he has done it in every other Batman movie with less context soo....

>>83605904
>Batman vs Superman thread
>Over 250 posts
>Every time

If the movie is so terrible why does it stir up so much discussion?

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>>83614442
>>Batman vs Superman thread
>>Over 250 posts
>>Every time

yet never enough mentions of the iconic OST.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9BL59uiAz8

>>83614442

it's "The Room" of super hero movies, and super hero movies are pretty damn big right now.

>>83614171
Something else I compare it to is being like a big-screen rendition of the comic series Planetary, only using DC characters, where the world has this whole secret history of real-life myth and just lurking beneath the surface.

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https://www.forbes.com/sites/markhughes/2017/06/05/justice-league-rumors-spread-amid-new-filming/#7c25937ad418

based Mark Hughes on JL rumors

>>83613065
Superman and his dad were both stabbed to death by villains.

So DEEP!

>>83613075
Someone said something in one movie.

Then someone refuted those points to try and change a characters perspective in another movie.

Talk about fucking DEEP!

>the pajeets try to get the first few posts to set the base and hopefully defeat the DChad intellectuals
>still absolutely get obliterated in the debate against DChad patricians
>marvel pajeet arguments can be boiled down to 'not muh'

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>>83605904
>Shoots GPS tracker on truck
>Decides to blow everything up, including half of the truck
???
>Batman has been searching for the White Portuguese for while
>Just google search it randomly, it's a ship
???
>Martha
>Batman feels sympathy for some reason
???
>Lex puts his blood into the Zod regen process
>Giant fucking monster, Is Lex pure evil?
???
>Random God symbolism at weird times
>Shitty God symbolism in newsreel/interviews
>Shitty God symbolism

>>83615166
being THIS mentally challenged

>>83609214
I liked seeing the real media ousted in BvS. Does your dad works at CNN or something?

>>83615202
Yes i'm slow. Please give me the RLM cliffnotes.

>>83606315
>at least marvel drones dont ruin this board

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>>83614202
No. This is:

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>>83614171

You'll notice that I included some of the more level-headed, reasonable posts from the "against" side of the discussion. Now go and look at some of the cancer to which they're replying, and choose your side.

Choose wisely.

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>>83615305
I thank the good lord im not this autistic

>>83614415
I actually agree. If you cut out all of the filler and totally unneeded romantic subplot out, there's actually one solidly good film in there. From what I hear, there's even a fan edit out there somewhere that did exactly that.

I'm no huge Peter Jackson fanboy, but I legitimately felt sorry for him after hearing the circumstances under which those films were made.

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Theatrical: Shit movie don't fucking touch it

Directors Cut: Capekino on par with MoS

>>83614625
I could not agree more. The OST was elder-god-tier.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rdc6QjBNOOU

>>83615411
Not that anon but apart from the romance and legolas shenanigans i thought auj and dos were worthy prequels to lotr

Botfa absolutely shat the bed, no denying that

If you want an actual fact the only "good" DCU movie is Man of Steel and even that's a 6-7/10

>>83614962
>You will be different, sometimes you'll feel like an outcast, but you'll never be alone. You will make my strength your own. You will see my life through your eyes, as your life will be seen through mine. The son becomes the father, and the father the son.
Jor-El 19:78

>>83614962
Zod and Doomsday share the same body you dumdum

>>83615000
The pajeet reads the comment.

The pajeet writes a reddit tier response.

Talk about being A POO IN THE LOO
The trips of truth. Triple loser.

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>>83614962
The same villain, in two different incarnations,

In related news, thanks for making it abundantly clear you were born with no soul.

>>83614442
DChad intellectuals are always happy to share their knowledge with the uneducated pleb masses like the marvel pajeets.

>>83612046
One person. (You)

>>83615480
I agree with you as well. I personally found this song to be my favorite out of all of them.

https://youtu.be/rD5wQROo_bs

>>83615496
You know what I always thought could have made it a far, FAR better film?

Making it a sort of framework story, told from the perspective of Bilbo reading the old Elf tales at Rivendell *between* The Hobbit and LotR, sort of a back and forth between him telling Gandalf his recollections of the trip to the Lonely Mountain and him learning Middle Earth's past for the history he was writing, with Gandalf growing more suspicious about how truthful Frodo was being about how the Ring came into his possession.

"Riddles in the Dark,"

>>83616056
Good God, yes!

Lex's theme is fucking fantastic.

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>>83615898
Our Lord smiles upon you, brother.

>>83611769
Okay I'm tired of seeing this meme so I'm just going to explain really fast what caused this and why it's not completely retarded

When someone has ptsd (like Bruce has) they can have flashbacks to the traumatic event (his parents murder) by anything related it.

Superman saying 'Martha' caused Bruce to flashback to the moment where his father was laying on the ground dying and compared superman to his father and realized that he was being just like Joe Chill (the person who murdered his parents)

This caused him to react in anger at that revelation because it's something he doesn't want to believe as he is forcing himself to think that he is doing the right thing murdering superman when deep down he knows he isn't. This anger can be seen in almost any individual when you tell them they're doing something they very actively state they don't like.

It was in that moment of anger where he was yelling who Martha was that Lois was given enough time to come up to him and tell him it was superman mother which gave superman enough breathing room and Batman a moment of reason to realize they were both bring manipulated by Lex.

The reason he still murders or violently maimes the people in the warehouse is because he hasn't had his full rejuvenation of hope and Superman was a special case (at least for the moment in which he needed to kill or imprison Lex.) His full rejuvenation happens after seeing Supermans sacrifice for mankind in killing Doomsday. That is what brings hope back to both him and wonder woman

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>>83616715
For Christ's sake. No one DOESN'T GET THIS. Seriously. It's not going over anyone's head. It's just fucking stupid. That's all. It's not that people don't get it. It's just the most contrived, stupid bullshit.

>>83616715
Let me give you something to think about:

I'm not even convinced Clark said "Martha" anymore. I think that's just how far gone Bruce was. He was going to hear whatever it took to stop him from going through with something he knew was wrong. Watch the scene again and watch how Clark reacts to him. Watch how when Lois shows up, Clark starts saying "mother," and Bruce still responds saying "Martha," and how Clark looks sort of confused by it.

I'm really starting to suspect that we're going to get a punchline to this in BvS.

>>83616814
In JL, I mean.

>>83616715
>Superman has spear
>Weak enough to get pierced by Doomsday
>Strong enough to still fly
HYUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU???????????????????

>>83616909
*Barely* strong enough to fly. He was sort of gutting through it. Also, Doomsday is strong enough to puncture his hide under any circumstances.