Star Trek Discovery will die an unfair death

I think it's in trouble, but no for the same reason.

Making it CBS Go exclusive in the US is a huge mistake. I don't foresee the show doing well regardless of it's content.

Besides that, if it doesn't hold up to what came before it then what right does it have to do well?

>>83599547
I'm a right wing conservative, (not alt right whatever that means) and I think the new show will be Fine.

>>83599615
>Making it CBS Go exclusive in the US is a huge mistake

I don't understand why they would do this?

I wonder if they did this because they know Star Trek is a popular franchise and thinking maybe it would help push CBS Go into the mainstream audience? Still kind of a shitty decision on their part if that's the case.

Also, it doesn't matter. Pirateers will torrent and seed the shit out of it.

>>83599700
It's funded by Netflix, pretty sure it's coming to Netflix.

>>83599615
>if it doesn't hold up to what came before it then what right does it have to do well?

Is it arrogant for me to say this.. Giving it views and positive reviews would ensure Trek's TV revival for the coming future. I know it sounds shitty but I would go out of my way to do that.

Trek is such a popular TV franchise. It cannot fail at all.

>>83599615

/thread

The show will fail because CBS is a dinosaur company and the model they're presenting the show through is begging for failure. No one cares what triggered /pol/tards think.

>I'm also a far-right conservative, and even with my friends being Liberals, I respect what they believe in, and that includes Star Trek.
You friends believe in Star Trek?

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>>83599547
>Autist Trek fanboys

Alrighty then. You've insulted, and hate one overly generalized side over another.

Your opinion is useless.

>>83599801
It's coming to Netflix outside America.

It'll be a success worldwide and a failure inside America.

Which means that it wll be canceled despite being a success, because America is the only market that matters to CBS.

>>83599801
It's on Netflix outside the US. If you're in the US it's CBS Go exclusive.

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"Commander Ryker, what are sex organs?"

>>83600057
Autism is literally the only explanation for why fanboys still pretend TOS is the best series when it aged like milk and is laughably bad.

>>83600141
>Autism is literally the only explanation

So untrue, but you've convinced yourself of that lie. Have a nice life.

>>83600102

I forget, does doing some fuckery with your IP still allow you to access Netflix in say.....Canada?

>>83599547
No, filthy ningen, its too much like muh originals. Thats the problem. Its easy to market the Abrams aesthetic and themes, its all, "GREEN BABES AND KILINGONS BABYYYYY" Which is all that this will be.

>>83600057
Go to a Star Trek message board or chat room. They'll nitpick the fuck out of Discovery. It's all the same shit.

>>83600094
Well this is better news than I had expected.

>>83599547
>Star Trek has been progressive
I keep seeing this over and over again as if it's a smug perfect rebuttal of what people are complaining about. There are different degrees of being progressive. TNG's two main, arguably, characters were two white men. The trailer for Discovery mostly features a black woman and an asian woman. I'm assuming Michelle Yeoh dies fairly early on and Sonequa Martin is transferred to be under Jason Isaacs, who is white, but still. It's not that I don't want minority/female characters, but it IS annoying that they decided they had to have a minority female lead and then struggled with finding someone until they got Sonequa, who is a shitty actress. Compare her to Patrick Stewart, for God's sake. Why not try to get the best actor/actress you can get for that role regardless of their gender or ethnicity?

I also think, in practical terms, having a black female lead will hurt the show's popularity. Audiences prefer content led by actors and actresses who look like them and they can identify with. What percentage of the Star Trek fanbase do you think are black women? What about white guys?

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>>83599547
Trek is already dead, this will be it's final death knell, and good honestly because we will never get another TNG, or DS9 in this day and age. The old shows blended diversity seamlessly, it never beat you over the head with it. But this show does, and will.

Not to mention the production troubles. This shit is going to crash and burn.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3I3y3_QmBsQ&t=353s

>>83599547
It looks like a steaming pile o' shoit despite this anyway

>>83600094
>
Which means that it wll be canceled despite being a success, because America is the only market that matters to CBS.

Lol I think they just care about the money.

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>>83599547
>And we'll have the slew of alt-right faggots saying, "W-WELL IT'S PANDERING TO THE SJW CROWD." and will also shit on it, but have no idea that Star Trek has always been progressive with their futuristic society.
Last night I saw a /pol/tard complaining that the new show's main cast will have non-whites, non-males, non-straights and non-humans.

Complaining about non-humans in the main cast of a Star Trek.

If I wasn't already convinced that most of the outrage is fake and manufactured by tourists, that would have sealed the deal.

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>>83599547
Set course for diversity!

>>83599801
>it's funded by Neelix

>>83600289
Nitpicking is what we do as generation immersed in on screen entertainment. OP's argument is that one side is better than the other. That's a tired old argument that doesn't provide any deeper insight.

>>83600306
>The old shows blended diversity seamlessly, it never beat you over the head with it. But this show does, and will.

You haven't even seen the new show yet to make your statement valid.

>>83600306
>rumors without sources

>>83600252

Only way to do that is use a range vpn and they'll probably block you at dns.

>>83600403
And somehow Commander Benjamin Sisko and Captain Janeway don't count you fucking retard?

>>83600445
First half of the video is fact as he says, second half is rumors like he says.

Also midnight edge is never wrong. Don't be upset that you are so thirsty for new trek that you are willing to literally eat shit from CBS.

>>83600475
>Also midnight edge is never wrong.
Their last video said that STD would be canceled and never even air. I'm still waiting on that to happen.

>>83600411
>OP's argument is that one side is better than the other. That's a tired old argument that doesn't provide any deeper insight.

That's not that I was implying. Maybe everyone should keep an open mind before making a negative judgement about it?

>>83600468
Both of them were great actors, there was nuance there, things that set that show apart. It wasn't wow this guy is black, lets focus on that every episode you retard.

>>83599547
>Ultimately, this show will be judged unfairly and then the eventual death of Trek. It was only given one more shot because of the movies doing really well.

Beyond bombed. Which is logic since the trainwrech that Into Darkness was.

>>83600494
They never said that, they said that there are people who are worried it won't, not that it WILL. Dumbass, why are you so upset at midnight edge? Because they are always right so you have to twist their words to make yourself feel better?

I'm already bored by the blue/grey/orange SciFi-look. Funny enough, the USS Discovery, everybody hated when they revealed her, is the most interesting and unique design so far.

>>83600506
>It wasn't wow this guy is black, lets focus on that every episode you retard.

And it hasn't yet for Discovery you dumb fuck.

>>83600468
Im sure you will be down with the tranny doctor.

>>83600130
Posts like this make me =] in the way of marketing BS... Godspeed anon!

>>83600563
But that is the political climate of today, star trek always reflected that. We already know what it's going to be. I will be actually surprised if it isn't, and I think you know this as well. You are in denial.

Will there be actual diversity like in multinational or will it be just muh US minorities?

>>83600622

There is no show they could make that could out tumblr, tumblr.

>>83600582
>>83600622

I'm willing to bet that Discovery will not do this. You alt-right faggots are blowing shit out of proportion. Screencap this and let yourself know how much of a dumbass you are.

>But that is the political climate of today

And there's a lot of shit going on today and anything can be used in this show. But none of this faggotry.

Did anyone else think they were really fucking stupid to put an alien character in the show who's species only purpose is to sense death? What the fuck was that all about?

>>83600658
>He never watched Star Trek

>>83600658

Well, so far I'm going to guess that the female Captain you see in the trailer is straight up from China rather than like Harry Kim where he was an Asian American.

>>83600666
Look at TV and how it is today, you really think Star Trek will be different? Especially since Fuller left? HHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
>>83600677
>muh /pol/ Why are you so defensive anon? You must have some doubts, but your love of trek is really hurting your perception of the show. I think you will be surprised just how much of a departure there will be and that the nuance of trek will be lost completely.

All that matters is if the characters are likeable. So far I have my doubts.

I wish it was TNNG. They must have felt they had nowhere else to discover for the "discovery".

>>83600712
I watched everything, I just doubt we will ever see something like a french Captain again.

>>83600536
>Because they are always right
If Midnight's Edge is so reliable, then why does nobody else on the internet report what they say?

Why do you keep pretending that you aren't them?

Why are you so unprofessional that you lost control of your own domain name?
http://MidnightsEdge.net

>>83600759
Another example of, "NOT LIKE M-MUH ORIGINALS! SO IT MUST BE SHIT"

>>83600685
Would be fitting for Babylon 5 but sounds dumb for Trek.

>>83600349
>Lowers the Nazi to the floor because him being the useful idiot of an egotistical maniac isn't justification for risking infliction unneccesary brain injury

Kirk truely best captain.

>>83600685
His people were engineered for that purpose, but he as an individual will seek out his own unique purpose in life.

>>83600812
I don't know why they are always right, I think it's crazy that they are the only one who is consistently right about everything even though noone else gets this information. But for years time and time again their entire rumor circulation has consistently been on the money.

Take that what you will. The show is called STD.

HAHAHAHAHHAAHHHAHAHAHAHA

>>83600824
you mean not like Star Trek

>>83600496
Based on the trailer it did not provide any hint of inspiration other than a black woman rebelling against the establishment.
If art is supposed to provide inspiration, or interest perhaps it should be less obvious that it is mechanically created for politically correct intentions to preach one sided views over another.
We've seen this exact form of political correctness for well over three decades progress to the redundancy it is now. People can spot this coming a mile away because this form of political correctness continues to be over done, and leaving us feeling empty because it has nothing more to say but the usual one side is right the other is wrong. After over three to four decades of entertainment say:"White men are the root of all evil, and greed.", don't you believe white men have caught on? This is not helping either side by blaming one side over another.
If the creators were interested in truly inspiring interest they should have been smart enough to be aware, and find better ways to convey a message for everyone instead of the usual.

>>83600306
>wanting another deep sleep 9

>>83600824
Are you retarded?

>>83600892
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VixYS0xm5LI


HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

>>83600305
They're playing the "you have to like it or you're a racist" card. The bad press from people being upset over a black female lead is nothing compared to the bad press for it not being a diverse casting. Modern popular film/tv is done anon. You can't have it without this overly forced diversity crap.

>>83600892
>still upset 7 years later

>>83600874
>A group of ragtag heroes fighting off a very evil organization
>Main character happens to be black
>"SJW SJW SJW SJW SJW"

>>83600921
Why do you want another French Captain? How does it hold any relevancy on a good Trek show? You're retarded.

>>83600861

Yeah that still doesn't sound retarded at all.

>>83600403
Shouldn't there be a, I don't know, Alien captain? Wouldn't that be diversity in the Star Trek universe?

>>83599615
this
the show looks fucking terrible from the trailer, i'll pirate it, and i'm sure most others will too
the world doesnt need more netflix clones

>>83600950
>leading black woman fights the establishment of aliens who are white men with pointy ears

Can't get any more clear as to the SJW message there.

>>83600985
Wow, you actually are retarded. Either that or somewhat of an illiterate.

>>83600874
>Far-Left: "FUCKING RACIST HAVING A FUCKING WHITE MALE BE THE PROTAGONIST!!!"

>Far-Right: "FUCKING SJW'S AND THEIR PROPAGANDA! MAKING THE MAIN CHARACTER OF COLOR TO BE ASIAN, BLACK OR WHATEVER IS ALL JUST PANDERING TO MINORITIES AND THE SJW AGENDA!"

Literally how can we even make a character that's not based on skin color? Either side will cry like stupid fucking bitches.

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>>83600506
a caveat - Sisko is at his best, as an actor, when he gets thrown back in time and has to yell about race relations that he as a character couldn't or wouldn't even understand.

And on Janeway, they never got a consistent character down with her, she was all over the place and inconsistent in all of her ideals and orders. She was the perfect female captain in her ineffectiveness and incompetence. I'd still protect that smile.

>>83600403

Is that guy on the left really the captain? He looks like a heroin addict or like he's dying from AIDS or something.

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>>83601083
>Literally how can we even make a character that's not based on skin color?

Hmmmmmmmmm? How? I wonder?

>>83601083
Just ignore the hysterical bitches at either end of the horseshoe.

>>83601071
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dxe_ugmIVM

It's about Klingons you dingus.

>>83601103
>guy

>>83601103
Well his character's name suggest that he will be an alien. Which would be pretty cool to be honest.

Or maybe he's a Spaniard.

>>83601153
Why not just make them an Andorian

>>83601153
His skin is still white, according to SJW's.

>>83601202
Frankly, if the spastics in the alt right hadn't kicked up such a fuss about Sexually Treksmitted's failure to meet it's white alpha male quota, the spastics in the far left probably would have kicked off about how the Klingon's depiction is racist.

>>83601272
Now that Fuller left, I don't think anybody there knows what that is.

>>83601103
The captain is Jason Isaacs, so no, that's just /pol/ propaganda.

>>83601272
Can't do that after the misgivings about Shran. No trek fan would accept sloppy seconds when we could have had prime Combs.

>>83601313
Joe Menosky tho.

>>83600737

Fuller is a legit homo, see what he is doing to American Gods. Artsy Homo porn out of Hannibal and you act like that isn't tumblr?

His opening for season 3 of hannibal reminded me of a stale gay orgy but with food instead of fags.

Fuller is fucking terrible, so it was always going to be cancer anyway, without him it will just be disingenuous cancer full of liberals smelling their own ass.

>>83601389
I don't even like Fuller, but he has experience and made Star Trek before, I don't watch hannibal or american gods.

>>83599547
All I know about this show is that the new ship design looks retarded and the cgi looks the same or worse-than Deep Space Nine. I might check it out but my hopes aren't high.

>>83601389
American Gods is kino. Gorgeous cinematography and it doesn't try to be bland and palatable to normies.

STD looks and feels like JJ shit. Since we're going to have liberal politics anyway, it would have been better to serve them up with Fuller's vision for a proper look and feel.

>>83599547
I'm a liberal and Star Trek Discovery is clearly pandering to the SJW crowd.

>>83599615
Yes I ignore all this political bullshit surrounding it (when people don't realize how much how other series, hell even the original was outside of norms of their times) and put more at fault to the fact that they are using it to push another stupid subscription service.

>>83599547

I'm going to try a different tact with this since threads are usually just circle jerks of bitching.

What would a non-progressive view of scifi/space show look like. Doesn't have to be conservative, just a lack of endless virtual signalling and causes. You're still going to get political issues since all shows get them, but how would you define it, how could it be written, and with how should it be presented.

Feel free to ad lib as necessary to make your point and anyone can jump in, but let's try something constructive for once.

>>83599547
I think it's more likely that the show will just be shit instead of the "Alt-Right" boogeyman destroying it.

>>83602362

Firefly kind of already did it.

>>83602362
If they even fund space travel at all it would all be controlled by big corporations , so I guess kind of like avatar ?

>>83602362
People only talk about Fermi's Paradox when discussing possible alien life. There is another theory as to why we don't see signs of alien life, no other alien race is dumb enough. They understand its a zero sum game of being exposed, vulnerable, dead. With relativistic ballistics you could destroy a planet without that planet even knowing. They wake up dead.

Have mankind go out into space and meet aliens like that, aliens that want to wipe us out as a measure of protecting themselves. Have mankind get obliterated and all thats left are the small pockets that can hide away without being noticed.

It would make for a terrible show but thats what I would do.

>>83602416
You misunderstand. The alt-right doesn't destroy Star Trek itself. It just destroys Star Trek threads.

>>83602362
Like the comic "Prophet" by image. Make the future and mankind so alien that the average viewer has almost no connection to them or their lifestyles. Make it a horror of possibilities.

>>83600057
getting this butthurt over a frankly accurate statement can only be the result of autism

>>83602501
I would so like to see some Firefly like Trek. Away from Starfleet, just some civilian guys working in space getting dragged into an adventure.

>>83602594
No you're a retard get your dumb fucking thread off my board

>>83602629
>getting this butthurt

Likewise.

>>83602631
The Outrageous Okana becomes 7 seasons long.

>>83602595
Prophet treats homosexual sex as perfectly normal so it doesn't pass the muster with 4chan's anti-degeneracy brigade.

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>this buttblasted leftist

>>83602529

So in a round about way, a bad ending like Childhood's End. Where the outcome because of our idealistic nature ends up getting us killed kind of thing?
>>83602501
I feel like Whedon's universe is still very liberal but he took an unorthodox approach combing china/usa in space, government is the big bad and space confederates are the good guys, so I guess it's more like alternative world in a lot of ways, a space noir by its nature kind of would have to be.

It's still his girlpower fetish, doll girls, prostitutes etc. So I'd like a firefly but without his fetishes in it. >>83602595
What would that look like on a conceptual level for a show though, how would you differentiate that for the viewer when no shows exist without a human protagonist to latch onto?

And you can check, they don't exist.

>>83601083
>Literally how can we even make a character that's not based on skin color?
Write a character and don't mention in any material what their race is because it's not important and nobody cares. Like they used to do before SJWs started canvassing the twitters of every media company.

Sisko wasn't written as black, they auditioned actors of multiple races and as such isn't a diversity hire.
Every character in STD was written as their race because that's what makes a character now. Diversity hires.

>>83602837

Yet even in his own show, aliens were best parts of DS9

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>>83599547
I am by definition a star Trek Fan.

I have seen every TNG and DS9 episode, I own DS9 on DVD, and I watched seasons worth of Voyager and Enterprise.

Star Trek Discovery has some major issues, and it has nothing to due with "Muh lack of whites"

1. It doesn't look like Star Trek. It looks like Star Wars.
2. There is a parody TV series that looks more Star Trekish then the actual Star Trek Series.
3. Using it to launch yet another online channel will mean it will really struggle. It would be much better if they did a "Showtime" type deal with Amazon.

It just looks...meh.

>>83599547
It's going to be ass. Regardless if it panders to the LCD what they've shown isn't inspiring. Hell, Seth MacFarlane's new show The Orville looks like a more faithful Star Trek adaptation.

>>83602837
>Every character in STD was written as their race because that's what makes a character now. Diversity hires.

this man gets it

>>83599547
>>83602793
Don't you find it the tiniest bit ironic that Star Trek was originally envisioned by a socialist?

>>83602909
post scarcity economy != socialism

>>83602909
What you americans call "socialist" isn't really one.

>>83602963

That isn't the point, we call whatever we don't like socialist, communist. If it offends, make it the other.

>>83602746
They treat it like the Romans, little fuccboi Johns are good luck on long missions since they act like the whores from firefly, respectable in a way.

He was a Son of the Earth Empire under the Eye!

>>83602809
Exactly, show us that our blind optimism could get us wrecked. for the prophet part (I'm both of the people you quoted) you just have it open like the comic, show a John wake up and go do his mission. People would get he is a guy on a mission. Then you reveal how crazy the mission is, the scope, the planet gets revealed as Earth. You start with a slowroll of moderate weirdness, then go full on without explaining the differences or viewer expectation. Once they know how to wade in the water you throw them in deep. Show them the span of Diehardt's lifespan, how its so much more than a human could understand, same with Badrock. It would be supremely bizarre but in a good way I think.

You could do a whole season before even revealing Old Man John Prophet, you could mindfuck the audience by following the various John cells without telling them you are changing the POV, let it dawn on the viewer after. Let them figure out the alliances. Pepper it throughout with the cosmic big bads that are on the same tier of Cthulhu mythos monsters, show mankind as just a little speck in the vast cosmos of weird there is.

>>83602837
>Write a character and don't mention in any material what their race is

Star Trek Discovery hasn't even done this yet. Maybe news outlets but not the show itself.

>>83603164

There's really a theory that aliens are simply hiding from humanity?

So in all their history as a civilization they never used radios? since even using them by accident before realizing it would be broadcast into space, it would essentially continue to travel as a signal of energy.

So that theory doesn't really hold water unless they never developed radios, which means they're not that advanced as a species.

Or you could look at it as we're like the first ones in babylon 5.

Other races just might not exist yet, we're in first chapter of the story.. "In the beginning" etc.

I mean other ideas are other species died out already before us but even still we would get some evidence other things out there exist even if they died billions of years ago.

So none of these theories really seem true so far.

>>83603290
>What is a press release
Where do you think they got that information from? Why do we know that and barely anything else about the show? Why did we know their races before they were cast?

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>>83599547
>tfw STD is DOA

>>83603408

I think you're stretching this too far on their motives. The new political move is foreign integration with china. That was political move done by company to sell it, not show itself. I get what you're saying and liberals generally do have an agenda and this show probably will but the reason why they did race stuff, part of it was for liberals but other, bigger part was to get in on chinabux.

>>83603331
Our relative "footprint" with radio and television is 5au, that is peanuts. It is assumed in the theory that any species to evolve to the level to understand their threat index would take measures to minimize it, with those steps getting more and more outlandish as a matter of utmost survival.

The theory also posits that races would fail to observe these safety and get wrecked. It only takes 1 race at the top of the heap to subjugate the rest, they don't need an armistice agreement with the rest, they subjugate them to their fate. Its simply killing the guy before he can kill you, derived from 1 directive ontop of another until you end up glassing planets.

People wipe out ant colonies to close to their house all the time, why wouldn't an alien species essentially see it the same?

I'm not saying its a foolproof plan, just that it is a discussed alternative to the omni-present Fermi Paradox. I don't remember what its even called but it has alot to do with relativistic ballistics and how hard it is to guard against, regardless of your tech level. In a universe of potential lasers and shit, at the end of the day a big rock thrown really hard is still seen as the most efficient weapon.

>>83603331
If they are X years distant then we can only detect their signals from X years ago. If they did transmit signals Y years ago but not X years then we won't detect it, because we only started searching recently and it's too late for X and Y to be the same.

Also their signals aren't pointed at us and their signals degrade in quality to become pure noise due to the vast distance.

>>83599547
STD will be a be a success, most movies and shows that failed recently had white male leads while those with women and non white leads are hugely successful (get out, fast 8, wonder woman, soon star wars etc)

audiences just prefer movies and shows with diverse leads

>>83603637

Couldn't you blow up a rogue mass driver long before it reaches the planet though? Even with our relatively weak space weapons, we could hit a relativistic fast moving target coming at the planet.

Especially if they're landing shit on passing comets/asteroids.

>>83603706

The two recently cancelled series besides Marco polo(budget) were both diverse shows that got endless amounts of bitching from progressive wings of internet.

Fox cancelled Pitch. Sleepy hollow and quite a few other 'diverse' shows. For every Empire, there is a huge heap of shows getting cancelled so this statement seems to be bait.

>>83603663

Then why has SETI spent so much time searching if there is no realistic expectation of getting a decent signal and not just lots of white noise?
>>83603637
Maybe based on your fiction that this idea comes from but in reality we would have no clue how an alien species would develop and perceive the universe.

and sad part is only now do politicians take things seriously with telling people that maybe we should stop broadcasting our location to the universe.

While we might be technologically inept compared to any race that can come and meet us, I'd say we're less naive over-all as a species than you're giving us credit for. For every hippie/liberal trying to contact space aliens.

We have billions of people consuming media about alien invasions and us fighting them off and killing the aliens, with even popular memes such as if you could send one movie out into space to represent humanity, the favorite answer is usually Starship Troopers.

While most aliens if real would be incredibly dangerous to us as a species..I think we would end up being the real threat and not other way around. Humanity might not be as special as it thinks but we're doubly dangerous as we think. I pity alien race that finds us.

It will be closer to mirror universe episodes of ENT.

>>83603711
relativistic ballistics mean massive rocks moving at almost the speed of light. No level of technology would be able to pinpoint its position accurately. You know how in movies they detect a massive object outside our solar system and have like 6 months to prepare an answer? This isn't like that. You wouldn't detect a thing. You won't even detect any byproduct of its existence, it would obliterate you before you could.

There's a concept of Information Hazard - this concept posits that certain types of information are purely hazardous, that knowing about the thing can only make it worse, its better not to know, not to spread the info. This is on a level beyond info hazard, knowing about it changes nothing. If it is possible (its a theory after all, and one that takes the worst possible outcome as the most likely). You will just die without even knowing it.

>>83603944
>we would have no clue how an alien species would develop and perceive the universe.
True, but the theory starts with what WE would do, it starts by using us as the base metric. If we reach that level (or assuming our own level that nothing else has reached to our knowledge) it is smarter to use us as the standard as opposed to us as a rarity or anomaly. Its heady to theorize we are something special, but its more realistic to assume that an alien species that evolved to a point that would mirror humanity, even by funnyhouse mirror standards, would be relatable to us on some level we could use to, ya know, actually relate to.

A species that has no kin in our values or understanding of a society would not be a threat to us in any regard. It simply wouldn't happen. You can come up with any type of "civilization" you want, but without them acting similar to us on some level, they wouldn't become space faring civilization.

You are letting your want of humanity to be special to cloud your logic.

Why haven't there been any east Indians on the bridge crew?

>>83603955

So you're saying any species capable of cracking the speed of light problem(which some scientists don't/most don't think it is possible which is why people have focused on wormholes and warp bubble nonsense) I thought most scientists think currently it isn't possible to move an object at speed of light which is why they're focusing on I'm not sure how to phrase it but matter conversion so to speak. If you could translate a physical object to a form of energy and back again, then you could potentially move close to speed of light. or I might have that wrong. I'm not sure if I'm making sense.

So how could hypothetical aliens move an object, at something that isn't possible, be a potential threat as a theory? Since they could kill us without any way to stop it.

>>83603944
>Then why has SETI spent so much time searching if there is no realistic expectation of getting a decent signal and not just lots of white noise?
Because it's cool.

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>>83599615
>>83599700
It's more of a protest towards Americans after the 2016 election. The best CBS can do is a
>Oh you're going to vote racist huh? Well fuck you Americans, you're going to have to pay for our literal gold!"

>>83604105

Actually if you read bottom of my post, I doubt humanities special-'ness' and saying we're more dangerous than we actually think which isn't special its..expecting our species to act like a galactic plague once we get loose into the universe and every other living thing will regret it because we will attempt to colonize and consume everything.

I wouldn't call ebola special. Ebola locusts of the universe isn't special..i'm not sure what it is.

Using ourselves as base metric even in your own argument seems to be equating us with more of a special 'origin point' than even my own argument.

I honestly think it is a mistake to think an alien species that doesn't develop like us wouldn't be a threat, especially if they see how dangerous we are on our own world. They could be nothing like us for their entire evolution and want to see us dead, so in a way i'm arguing your original point from a different way.

We're not special, most likely, we're either just first or far away from everyone else or alone.

>>83604220
You, again, assume too much. Just because we can't do it doesn't mean it isn't possible. We thought it was impossible to fly 150 years ago, yet people fly thru the air daily in the present. I would think any society that could turn matter into energy, then back to matter would have escaped "the game" at that point and not be a threat to anyone, by choice.

But lets take your idea a step further:
Assume accelerating mass to sublight speeds is too hard to do, you direct light instead. you "manufacture" a solar flare type energy discharge and direct it to the desired destination. Or, you find out what the core of the planet is made of and use that as your dynamite, with your localized energy discharge being the ignition to the fuse.

There are an infinite number of ways to completely obliterate a cosmic body without any direct need to help, imagine what a race could do if they knew how to do the directing.

All you need to do is have the thing reach sub-light speeds, not light speed. An almost infinitely heavy object can still APPROACH light speed to the effect that it would be moving that fast for its purpose: to glass a planet.

>>83602878
>>1. It doesn't look like Star Trek. It looks like Star Wars.
>>2. There is a parody TV series that looks more Star Trekish then the actual Star Trek Series.
These. It also looks like it's straight out of the JJ movies, with all the lensflares and holographic glass viewscreens, which they're aware of as they're trying to appeal to the normies/casuals whose only Trek experience was the latest movies.

>>83604470
Naw mate, you are thinking too metaphysically. Us being the baseline puts us squarely in the average camp. Squarely in it. It is also our only basis for understanding, throwing it away in an attempt to relate on the grounds we WANT to instead of just using it to relate on the grounds we NEED it to seems like a foolhardy thing to do.

>>83604556
you might get shit on for your mistake but greentexting is done with a single carrot.

>>83604520

With that premise we actually agree but my thinking is that anyone with the ability to direct solar phenomenon as a weapon wouldn't see us as a threat.

They could kill everything in universe at a whim. And we've made a lot of noise in our corner of the system so if someone was listening, I think they would of found us by now.

But it is an interesting idea.

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>>83599547
>alt-right
That's all I need to disregard everything you said.

>>83599547
Star Trek should have died when Roddenberry died. It was good while it lasted, not it is just a franchise being milked for cash and will never be what it once was again.

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What if half way through the first season the show switches to a mirror universe of white supremacists?

>>83604790
The underlying premise is that a civilization will get more barbaric and animalistic in its interests as tech increases, not that it will go down. go do a google search or something to get the full scope of it, I told you I forgot alot of it.

You obviously have an interest, it would do you some good to see what other highly educated people think on the subject in the real world, not what some sci-fi fantasy thinks would happen. Feel free to disagree, but you should at least see whats out there as a possibility.

>>83604986
That would be lit. Then they get red pilled and when they come back bring their knowledge back to starfleet, then kirk gets a ship. End series.

>>83604986
That would be hilarious I bet. Imagine them trying to do it like Enterprise in 2017

>Nazi flag covered Starfleet Insignia
>Theme tune replaced by Dueling Banjos

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>>83605099
>new Prime Directive: remove kebab

>>83604911
>Star Trek should have died when Roddenberry died.
The thing is, Roddenberry didn't write everything on Trek he hired Scifi writers for each episode.

>>83604790
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relativistic_kill_vehicle
Check out the external link thought theory as well. Sheds some light on how an innocuously small object can do immense damage. You don't need incredibly high tech to achieve a relativistic missile, you need a good flight path more than insane levels of tech. You let the cosmos do most of the work.

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>only people complaining about the show are people who know nothing about star trek and /pol/tards crying on their computers without knowing a shred of the multicultural vision of the future in trek's development

I think I'm going to enjoy Discovery. Let's just hope it's not another Voyager.

>>83605419
>durr hurr

You can stop samefagging already.

>>83605419
B.. but I like voyager :(

>>83604626
>greentexting is done with a single carrot.
I was quoting the other anon but the periods fucked up the formatting

>>83600860
He wasn't careful because he needed to avoid altering the time line

>>83605628
It was the double carrots mate, those are for post numbers. We are well beyond post 1 and 2.
>1. green words
>>1. post number

>>83605270
he had control of the overall vision though, the writing conformed to that. after he died, the writing started to stray from that vision. think season 1 of Andromeda vs season 2 when Sorbo had control of it (analogy, not literal)

>>83605929
>Vision

There's enough material approved by Roddenberry where I think we get the idea on what Trek is and wants to be.

>>83599547
>And we'll have the slew of alt-right faggots saying, "W-WELL IT'S PANDERING TO THE SJW CROWD."
Not gonna happen unless something leaks on specifically avoiding white males. That got old months ago. The anti-SJW crowd has attacked itself plenty on over-reactions. The only ones still doing it are SJWs false-flagging and trolls.

So what we'll actually get is a bunch of articles saying it's happening. And we'll get a lot of twitter posts making fun of it. And a few false flags as examples. Mark it on the calendar.

>I'm also a far-right conservative
OP you flaming faggot, are you that fucker from the earlier threads who kept mentioning he was a conservative?
I'm glad you managed to fit in you're a superiour conservative to those other faggots. Never miss a chance to do so in fact. The fedora tower rises.

>people that missed the entire point of the series: the thread

There's an Deep Space 9 episode called Far Beyond the Stars that most of the people in this thread need to watch.

>>83599547
Well, let's commit a post-mortem of the last Star Trek, shall we?

Enterprise.
Each episode was aired four times a year, and the producers were upset that ratings weren't high at each showing.
The special effects were fine, but everyone has seen them time and again.
The actors were fine.
The characters as they were originally presented were fine.
The writing was awful. They immediately introduced time travel, the holodeck, anachronistic alien encounters. They didn't know if they were all friends on an outing, or a military command. Please drop the moronic "and that's an order" from all future writing projects. After 9/11 they decided to have an alien menace as Space Muslims. Blah.

The bottom line is that if they would have good writing and direction, they will do well; else, another crap series consigned to the dust bin.

>>83605998
If you watch all of DS9 you will realize that an immense amount of the intercharacter relationships are based or supported by cuckoldry.
>Sisko's new girl is set up for him, giving him the feeling others know more about her than he does. Then she betrays him and the federation by being Maquis. He accepts it and stays with her.
>Bashir gets dumped by Leeta on Risa while she is lusting for alien cock. She lets him pityfuck her after the aliens are done with her
>Rom's wife contractually cucked his whole life away
>Worf falls for Grilka, a proud klingon woman. She is into Quark for specific reasons. Worf eventually tells Quark how to get in her bed, as worf sits by and listens, then fucks Jadzia.
>Jadzia dies and is replaced by Ezri, she goes for Bashir, who worf doesn't like that much
>Bashir AND Quark were lusting for Jadzia but couldn't have her and Jadzia/Worf were very vocal to everyone about fucking going so far as to show up to meeting with messy sex hair
>Bashir was second in his class and had a crush on the first in class. She doesn't even know who he is. He spends time wallowing in this feeling before fixing it
>Miles and Keiko have a clearly abusive relationship with Miles going to great lengths to please her, and her only getting placated instead of being happy
>Odo falls for his one and only love Kira, then returns to his kind, saying it is a need he has that suprasses what she gave him
>Kira loves Shikar but hes a vedic so they can't really get together. Once they do it fucks with Odo alot. Instead of fixing the problem she ignores him but keeps her official business constantly in contact with him.

And that only covers the main cast off the top of my head. None of that garbage was in TOS.

>>83600403
Gay Trek.

>>83605998
Right but there is no one to hold people accountable if they start making Trek into something it's not. Trek can't be everything and incorporate elements from other science fiction without losing its identity. My argument is that it has lost its identity, thanks to JJ Abrams and others who continue to think more in terms of broad appeal rather than Trek. I mean we have people literally saying things like "let's not make it to Trek-ish" because they are worried about alienating the plebs.

>>83606226
>the entire point of the series
Why was the entire point of the series only brought up in 2-3 episodes of the franchise? Does that mean all the stuff about space ships and aliens is just filler?

>>83600141
Dude , true trekky here and my honest favorite is either deep space nine or voyager. TOS was shit, and by rights most of them were shit, that doesnt mean i didnt enjoy most of it.

>>83606393
you're a dumbass

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> We need people to post about that web series CBS is trying out, but we need to also insult the fans of the series.

> I was going to do that anyway, can I insult Drumphf too? I haven't done that on Facebook today and don't want people to think I like him.

> Too obvious. Just say something about the Alt-Right boogeyman.

STD is going to be shit because they're making it a JJ Abrams reboot. Which was also shit, but shit that made its money back. This one will do nothing as far as profit because CBS though now would be a good time to try to get into web streaming so it will be put on a medium no one will see. The made a black womyn the lead to insulate the show from criticism.

>>83606970
Thank you for your concession, please do try again soon.

>>83607098
You're the moron who can't separate content from themes.

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>>83600685
fucking this, main thing that stayed with me from the trailer left me thinking realy? engineered race -> only purpose is to sense death? one of the most retarded things ive fucken heard and i have watched some fucken low tier scifi in my day. who ok'd this?

>>83607204
>The themes of these 2-3 episodes I can think of are the "the entire point of the series"
No, sweetie.

>>83607388
>Can't even remember Far Beyond the Stars

thanks for coming tourist, please fuck off now

>>83607474
You must be someone else replying to the quote chain because that's the only one he's named so far and what started off this conversation >>83606226

>>>/tumblr/

>>83599615
>Besides that, if it doesn't hold up to what came before it then what right does it have to do well?

I don't think it's fair to judge a work based on what came before if it's trying outright to take the franchise in a different direction, and this obviously looks like it's modeled after the new movies. That fanboy mentality that everything has to be a rehash of what came before killed Stargate Universe and the Stargate franchise. People blame the "teen drama" aspect but if you actually watched the show that was only about a quarter of the overall plot, and you missed out on really cool stuff and way harder sci-fi then SG had mustered in the preceding 5 years.

>>83607573
Wrong. He's the one that replied to the comment

>>83607720
So you're the dumbass, I'm going to have to revise my estimate down to 1 episode because I don't think you can have seen Star Trek at all and that's why you aren't responding.

>>83607669
maybe Stargate Universe died because they put the name Stargate on it and had nothing to do with what the viewer had thought Stargate was. You assuming that is a bad thing is retarded. Its how humans relate to things, they classify them into groups. They do this naturally, it isn't some forced right wing idea.

And modelling the look after BSG when that got ruined by the writers strike. Everything was wrong with SGU.

>>83599547
Star Trek is shit and people that are still fans of it need to replace it with a more productive hobby

>>83599547

Here's the difference. Star Trek shows progressive shit, sure. But this is in universe. Yes there was diversity amongst the characters and it wasn't in-your-face about it. It just happened and it felt natural in-universe.

The current Star Trek is casting based on the political climate, going for particular actors to appeal to certain crowds. It's not about creating a certain universe for this Star Trek. It's about appealing and pandering, hiring actors for the purpose of doing so, and then shoving it all in your face to show how progressive they are. There is a difference.

>>83607669
Stargate: Universe had shitty writing. In one episode there was a mutiny, and an airman had a pistol, but instead of using it on a mutineer, he placed it on the floor so that they could have it.

One of the crappiest things that come out of Hollywood is that the good guys never shoot first. There are shows that have the bad guy kill and kill again because they don't happen to actually shoot at the good guy. Oh, he's a wanted murderer with a gun pointed at me? Better let him get away instead of firing first.

>>83599547
>And we'll have the slew of alt-right faggots saying, "W-WELL IT'S PANDERING TO THE SJW CROWD."
I can already tell you're a pussy.

The uniforms are shit, the ship is shit, the cast is meh (some good talent), the female agenda pushing is obvious (and I have no problem with a woman captain, just don't make her insufferale like Janeway on her hypocrisy).

If the leaks are true about said weird ass klingons being proto-klingons, I can dig that. I just hope they resolve getting rid of said proto-klingons somehow because we'll never see them again, kind of like the Xindi from ENT and never saw them in any of the other Trek canon.

Other than that, kill yourself my man for your blog. Having to namedrop 'autist' and 'alt-right' shows you already oust yourself as another apologist. Also,
>CBS Access
L O L

>>83607783
You just proved my point. I love how people never consider the fact that SGA was carbon copy of SG1 and its ratings were tanking just as hard by the time the plug was pulled. I personally checked out during S3, but when SGU rolled around the differences were stark enough that it felt refreshing. And don't think I'm stupid enough to actually defend the CW-tier plotting with Chloe and Scott cuz I don't, all I'm saying is it was an ensemble cast and story and they were only to 2 out of 8+ characters.

>>83608337
People didn't like SGA because Stargate has pretty much finished all it intended to. There was no need for more, then they didn't like the actors they chose (Rodney aside). I didn't prove your point as much as I reasonably explained why people think in the circles they do. SGA being too similar to SG1 was unfortunate, but people would have loved it if they loved the characters, which they didn't.

It was bad casting what killed the beast. SGU failed because they too copied the same material, this time committing the sin of copying a different franchise on the same fucking channel.

this show will kill TREK on tv for a long time. Movies will probably die too.

>>83602878
>It would be much better if they did a "Showtime" type deal with Amazon.

Showtime has spent a shitload catering to Twin Peaks fans, and it is paying off. I honestly do not know why Showtime isn't being utilized to cater to Star Trek fans while still doing the online platform.
There is apparently licensing issues, but the online game has been doing quite well staying true to form.
Don't know why they can't figure out how to work faster with all of the resources available, but lots of missed opportunities to be more dynamic in satisfying fans old, and new in multiple revenues.

>But Trek was always progressive!!
>Star Trek is left wing!

No.

Star Trek is apolitical. Everyone is judged on their merits and abilities. There is no affirmative action. Characters like Riker are bemused when aliens put men and women in different categories.

>In 7 entire seasons no-one even mentions the fact Geordi is black. He's just another human.
>Picard is never told to check his white cis male privilege.
>Picard is never called sexist for not having a 50% female bridge crew or replacing his only female bridge officer with a male.
>Data creates an android child and tells them they may choose from 2 genders, which will be permanent for the rest of their life

>>83610311
Yep, Star Trek was always about how we got past those issues and a socialist meritocracy.

I can understand the fear that will be lost.

>>83600927
beautiful
gonna save that for the haters of ds9

remaster when ;___; i bought every tng bluray remaster

if i was super rich id donate a few million to remaster ds9
fucking rich so called 'trekkie' fans should help out, but they dont

>>83600403
Is this the U.S.S. Rosa Parks?

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>>83599547
although the sjw pandering is cringe . that is not its problem star trek has more fans now then it ever did and it is no longer looked down on as supper nerdy . everyone wants a canon trek with moral dilemma and classic st shit from the looks of it we are going the get a swow that panders to none trek fans more then a 50 year old loyal fan base . I can't stand the alt right trolls more then anyone but honestly this is pandering to none trekker liberals who might watch one episode at most .

>>83599547
Why did you feel the need to post this? Your post is just a victimization fantasy built around buzzwords. Are you so desperate for Star Trek products of any quality?

>>83605749
why post if you've never even seen the show?

>>83599547
Trek died when they chose to reboot the franchise with nu-trek. Chris Pine et al did an alright job, I guess, but at the end of the day it was another hollow REMAKE, taking established characters and concepts and just fucking ruining them to try make some money.

>>83599700
If it works, their service becomes another guaranteed revenue stream. If it fails, they can use it as an excuse to never spend money on new Trek again.

>>83612599
They won't stop pushing for All Access because it's free money (the cheap version has adverts, the "no advert" version for nearly double the price only has "promotional interruptions"), and Netflix basically paid for the whole production. If they can con them in the same way again, they will.

>>83605998
>>83605929

Roddenberry held Star Trek back, it was a good thing he died when he did.
>muh socialist space utopia

He couldn't even get Klingons right, DS9 was the one show that actually did.

>>83612879
Retard

>>83605929
>>83612950
Are you saying seasons 1 and 2 of TNG are the best? Because that just sounds like contrarian nonsense.

>>83612950
TOS
>Klingons are comic book tier villains and Kirk btfo effortlessly every time
TNG
>Klingons are valiant and noble mary-sue warriors with incredible honor and own literally everyone in hand to hand and Picard sucks their BBC all day KAPLAH

His pattern indicates two dimensional thinking, desu.
meanwhile DS9 got them fucking right. Full stop.

>>83613177
Retard

>>83613204
kys

>>83613177
>TNG
>>Klingons are valiant and noble mary-sue warriors with incredible honor
Name one (ONE) example except Worf (fake Kligon) and Kahless (clone imbued with fake memories from storybooks).

>>83604448
You sound about as autistic as your reaction image.

>>83613268
literally everyone except anyone even tangentially related to Duras.

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>>83599615
Nice try. You're still not going to keep me from torrenting it.

>>83613331
>literally everyone
No, none of them. Name one.

>>83613443
>expecting DS9 fans to actually know about the other series they shittalk

>>83613443
Mogh.

>>83612879
I agree. Next Gen was better without Gene.

D.C. Fontana wrote for TOS, and she would take her name off some of the scripts that Gene would tinker with. Her pen name in those instances was Michael Richards.

>>83613554
He never appeared in the series and we don't know anything about him except that he wasn't a traitor to the Empire

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>>83613443
Kang and Kodos, or whatever Dax's Klingon pals were named.

>Make prequel to show
>Make it look like it's set in the future of that show
what did they mean by this

>>83614053
kind of unavoidable, donchathink?

>>83614053
TOS was supposed to look futuristic at the time so I have no problem with them updating the style to make it seem futuristic to us

>>83599547
It will die for the same reason SGU died.

Too much character drama shit, not enough scifi fun.

>>83600927
fuck i'm gonna go watch In the Pale Moonlight
best trek episode

>>83600927
>>83610561
>HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
>;____;
>that video too
DS9 fans truly are easily impressed simpletons

>>83616465
>he doesn't post a rebuttal with his own criticisms or examples
cool shitpost

>>83616465
>pursuing a vendetta for 7 years
Move on with your life already.

>>83616465
Listen, as a whole DS9 isn't good.

Taken with discretion, DS9 has some of the best material of the entire series. Gene Roddenberry is responsible for the worst material of the entire series.

>>83616565
sorry, I am searching for a video to do that since you people can't formulate arguments and can only rely on regurgitated videos
also I don't waste time with intellectually inferior people, don't write like retards if you don't want to be treated as such

>>83616662
ok come on back any time
(You)

>>83605164
>not Starfleet Erika

>>83614414
enterprise avoided it

>>83617076
>NX-01 saucer-neck connection looks like a continuation of the Sovereign class
>looks nothing like a precursor to the constitution class

>>83617120
"doesn't look like thing" has nothing to do with "looks like future when supposed to be past"

>>83599615
>making it a CBS exclusive

It's going to be on space channel, kek.

>everyone saying that this show is going to suck
>believed it for a while
>see trailer
>it actually looks really cool
>good music, cool ship interior, awesome uniforms
>only complaint is klingon design
>literally no forced we wuz federation and shit diversity in trailer

why are we complaining?

>>83618509
oh you sweet summer child

>>83618701
No, you're the summer child. "I disagree with you so YOU. MUST. BE. REDDIT! THE GAME."

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>>83618750
>THE GAME.
R͡ép̸ly͠ t͜o̢ ͞th͠ìs̛ ̡p̵ost o̶̴r̸͜ y̢óu̡r͘ d͞a̷ù͟gh̵̨t̀͜e̴͟͠r̶͞ ́w̴͘i͢͢l̸ļ ̶̢̧d͢͡ie͜ ̵͝i̴ń̨ ̵a ̶͘d̡i͘͡l̀͜i̧͠t͡h͘͠į͡u̶̧͡m̷-͘͟mí͝n̡͡in̴͝g̶̢ ̴͜fo͠r̛͞c͞͡e̷d̕ la̶̧͢b̵̢or̕ ̢c̢am̵̶̛ṕ.̴̧

>>83619015
why did they want the star wars audience so hard?

>>83616640
>Listen, as a whole DS9 isn't good.
reddit opinions aren't welcome here

>>83600305
Change the formula, alter the fanbase?

>>83618750
>calling someone a summer child mean they're reddit
what did this level of projection did they mean by that?

are you that new to not know of the phrase and its history here or elsewhere?