ITT: villains who are actually heroes

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He just wanted to spread diversity and cultural enrichment throughout middle-earth.
Fuck those racist rural inbred hobbits.

>>83598624
The prequels could have been fucking great if they had been his story.

>>83598624
Can you explain why he was a hero without the pre-disney canon?

>>83598624
>Wanted to unite the known galaxy and prepare superweapons to destroy extragalactic invaders

Did nothing wrong.

>ITT: virgin edgelords

great thread son! wat a stunning contribution to the world you make!

>>83598624
Hitler.

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>>83599239
>literally a toddler with no self control
No.

>>83599109
took an extremely corrupt government ran by greedy ayy lmaos and turned it into something better
also destroyed pedo cult that kidnapped children

>>83599158
In quite a few books it's clearly stated that:
- Jedi in general aren't as good as movies show
- Old Republic was pretty shit in it's final stages
- there are extragalactic threats
- Imperium actually worked

Additional bonus is - Palpatine acquired his Emperor title LEGALLY. Jedi Council actually rebelled against LEGAL government just because he didn't follow their beliefs.

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>>83599239
pic related actually fits
>powerful enough to wield One Ring
>wanted to betray Sauron

>>83599314
The hearts of men are easily corrupted

>>83599369
How was live in the empire?
We are never really shown if people are truly opressed in the movies or if the empire just keeps peace

>>83599865
They blew up an inhabited planet just to spite some lady

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>>83598625
Heath Ledger's Joker. There is a theory about being the hero because he cleansed the crime and the corrupt police in Gotham City for 8 years until Bane came.

>>83599905
On a galaxy with hundreds of inhabitated planets, destroying one wouldn't be that much of a deal
Also, the leaders of the planet supported space terrorists

>>83599865
according to books life changed very little for average plebs
many ayys were enslaved though but who cares, humans had it pretty good

>>83599148
Fan fiction.

>>83600043
there are thousands of cities in america. should we blow one up to spite hilary

>>83600112
I have read in many threads that the republic allowed or didn't fight slavery (ryloth) while the empire prohibited it
Is it wrong?

>>83600043
>On a galaxy with hundreds of inhabitated planets, destroying one wouldn't be that much of a deal
Billions of dead people will always be a big deal you autist.
>Also, the leaders of the planet supported space terrorists
Allegedly. How about I accuse you of supporting space terrorists and blow you up without giving you a chance to a hearing or a trial and see how you like it.

>>83600217
Slavery was illegal in the Republic, though it could have still happened somewhere I guess. Empire purged most ayys from military and government and enslaved some of them

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>Sheev sent Maul to his death in an unfair fight
>Sheev made Anakin kill Dooku
>Sheev brought Luke to his throne room for no discernible reason, didn't have anything to offer or tempt him with
>Sheev attacked Luke with force lightning, but we saw in the prequels that force lightning disfigures a person horribly, while here it just caused Luke pain
>because he didn't want to kill Luke
>he wanted to provoke Vader
>and as Vader threw him over the railing, he finally completed his mission by fatally shocking Vader at the last moment

Oh my god. It was all an enormous, perfectly executed plan.
Sheev WAS the hero.
Sheev destroyed the Sith.
Sheev brought order to the Force.

Sheev was the fucking Chosen One.

>>83600444
>but we saw in the prequels that force lightning disfigures a person horribly
It's possible it only disfigured Sheev because it revealed his true form. Who knows how old he actually is.

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Unironically this guy.

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>>83598624
>creates order and civilization in post apocalyptic world
>satisfies even feminists with "no rape" policy
>takes guns away from niggers who would disrupt order
>is generous to his people
>doesn't want people to die, wants people to join
>has a sense of humor

>>83600699
Don't forget he leans back too

>>83600444
>Sheev killed Plagueis

>>83599929
>Specifically worked to break the guy who was seen as the last best hope for saving the city from crime, into a revenge-driven murdering psychopath who's willing to murder children.
>"Hero."

>>83598624
there was slavery still on tatoooine, now theres no slavery in the empire.

honestly the jedi are not the good guys when you notice how they virtually controlled the government and manipulated those around them with the sword. which is wy they had to die.

>>83601013
would you want to be led by a guy who becomes super villain the moment his gf dies and his face gets a bit wonky? joker showed everyone that he was a dangerous loser

>>83599033
>we will never get a political drama show about him and Plageuis playing 4d chess with the Senate before the events of Episode 1.
>we will never see Qui Gon and Master Dooku going around the galaxy solving trade disputes together
>we will never see young Darth Maul carrying out secret assassination plots under Palpatine to destabilize the galaxy

But hey, at least we get saber-copters and female Mandalore.

>>83599239
>fellowship takes along a retard who was obviously being seduced by the ring before they even began the journey
What compelled them to do this?

>>83599109
The Senate was completely corrupt and ineffective. Politicians were all self-interested, and the galaxy suffered greatly for it.

He took power away from the Senate and built an Empire that peacefully ruled the galaxy for a decade. Poverty, war, famine, and all that other shit were basically finished. Then the """"rebellion"""", seeded by the same greedy politicians he told to fuck off, overthrew him so and rebuilt the swamp.

>>83599865
And the Rebellion blew up the whole death star, which had a million inhabitants.

Aldaraan wasn't even that densely populated. In terms of scale, its basically analogous to the US destroying some shitty Iraqi village.

>>83600217
In Rebels, there is definitely a scene where they capture the purple chewbacca guy, and the Stormtroopers tell him he is going to be sold to the slavers.

>>83601349
I like you
What was the new republic like?
Was it at least better than the old one?

>>83601797
They again were completely ineffective, and got destroyed by space ISIS because they were too frozen to nip it in the bud.

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>>83598624
Pic related should've been the hero.

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>>83600444
Sheeve was disfigured because he uses an incredible amount of Force to disrupt the Jedi's ability to sense the universe around them.

>>83601349
Actually, Sheeve was pure evil and he knew it. He was keeping the whole universe from scientific progress for centuries. Literally every good new invention made while he was Emperor was stolen from the creator, then the creator killed then wiped from all records.

Yeah, the Galactic Empire was good for Humans but completely shitty for every other alien race.

>>83601286
>we will never see Qui Gon and Master Dooku going around the galaxy solving trade disputes together

hold me

>>83602328
what the fuck are you talking about, sheev was like 80 years old at death. star wars technology has been stagnating for thousands of years

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>>83598624
After seeing TFA, I can't help but support the Empire. It didn't even take a couple decades for the Republic to go back to being shit

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>>83598624

Easy.

>>83600195
yes. Start with Los Angeles

>>83600178
not an argument

>>83602586
>star wars technology has been stagnating for thousands of years
nibba prove it without the eu

>>83602972
I can't even follow what's canon anymore when disney says all eu is non-canon and then starts picking random eu things and making them canon again

>>83602972
They had millenia to develop planet shattering weapons and planetary forcefields
They couldn't
Those were invented by the empire
There was a technological revolution thanks to sheev

>>83603107
What did they say is canon?

>>83603213
I'm pretty sure thrawn is canon again at least

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>tfw you can't enjoy the new star wars movies because you sympathize with the First Order

>>83601175
The Jedi didn't control shit. They just listened to the senate

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>>83598624

>Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
>Through passion, I gain strength.
>Through strength, I gain power.
>Through power, I gain victory.
>Through victory, my chains are broken.
>The Force shall free me.

based Truth.

>>83601286
>We will never actually see a Jedi constructing their first lightsaber or a Jedi undergoing the trials

>>83603367
Lucas should have started with a young Obi Wan undergoing the tradtional jedi training before introducing Anakin

>>83603327
how can jedi cucks even compete

>>83600444
Sheev didn't send Maul to his death. IIRC he was mad that Obi Wan managed to kill his apprentice.

>>83600758

Just how often does he lean back?

Or is just a few times but he leans back far enough that it defies physics?

>>83603451
Star Wars would be better as a TV show.

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>>83601349
>built an Empire that peacefully ruled the galaxy
>peacefully

>>83603327
Why are the Star Wars movies so bad compared to the video games?

>>83603213
>>83603107
Anything that was in the tv show is canon, so the random EU crap that found safe harbor there is fair game.

>>83603167
>They had millenia to develop planet shattering weapons and planetary forcefields
But they had no need for either of those since the Old Republic was at peace. Checkmate Sheev ;^)

>>83603599
Sheev spent most his time redecorating the old Jedi temple

>>83600444
Sheev was already disfigured. All the lightning did was use up enough of his immediate power to reveal his true form.

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>>83603608
You could say the same about capeshit

>>83603642
it's still fucking confusing, for instance since they brought thrawn back does that mean that all thrawn material is now canon again or did they just invent his character again and he is basically a different character with the same face and personality now? fucking disney reee

Magneto did nothing wrong

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbTyTyizz1s

>>83603799
With video games they are willing to take risks. In Hollywood not so much.

>>83603815
>it's still fucking confusing
I know m8. I don't really give a fuck about canon anymore.

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>remembers bad movies so YOU DON'T HAVE TO!
>married an ugly whale SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO!
>acts like an autistic manchildren over the internet SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO!

literally the greatest hero of all time

>>83603833
>Magneto did nothing wrong
>jewish

>>83603367
Is that even canon anymore?

>>83603671
I see your point, specially for the death star, but a planetary shield would be worth developping just in case

>>83604070
Yes it's in TCW

>>83603249
Why?

Unlike the empire, they don't even seem like they have a legit claim to being right, and they don't even seem competent. They are literally Space ISIS

>>83598624
Post Sheevkino
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjK7qDYjAJA

>>83603815
The author of the Thrawn book explicitly said the old stuff isn't canon. But I agree, it is confusing.

>>83604191
>they don't even seem to be competent
>build what's basically a planet sized Death Star without the new Republic knowing about it

>>83604240
Who is their competent leadership? General Hux and Kylo are barely adults. That shitty girl trooper everyone likes gave up the secrets of the not-Death Star to Han and Nigger Han for nothing.

>>83604361
Who is the competent leadership in the Republic?
Face it, everyone in that galaxy is an idiot. The most competent idiot is the one who wins and in that case, it's the first order.

>>83604434
Sheev was smart.

>>83604191
you're right and wrong. The Empire itself was extremely competent. But Sheeve didn't give a fuck about running the universe he just wanted to do evil sith stuff. Most of his actions were to propagate his evil Sith stuff and not to effectively rule the galaxy.

The Empire managed to stay in charge despite Sheeve which is pretty impressive. If it wasn't for Sheeve there probably wouldn't even be a rebel alliance. The Empire would have not been so stupidly racist, or against scientific progress, or needlessly genocidal.

>>83600444
Man disfiguring Sheev was dumb, especially when they couldn't even make him look like Emperor Sheev.

>>83602586
man I was gonna make some argument but I don't even know whats true anymore. He either died around 200 years old, or he died around 90. Fuck I don't know.

>>83604497
>stupidly racist
No it wasn't
>against scientific progress
Sheev built a planet destroyer
>genocidal
Most people in the galaxy felt nothing when the republic ended. Only the retards mouthing off about muh republic were killed

>>83602586
I thought the force extended lifespan. Yoda was 800 years old so I figured Sheev was ateast over 100

>>83604701
No
Yoda's species live really long, but because biology, not vecause of the force, i think
Sheev wanted to live longer, but i don't think he ever prolonged his life because he died at 80

>>83598624
I screamed NOOOOOOOOOOO when he died. Sheev shouldn't have trusted that nigger Vadee

>>83600444
fucking sheevposting does it again

>>83604892
You act like he died a natural death.

>>83604701
yoda's species probably just had long life expectancy, like hutts that live like a thousand years
though sheev probably could have drained life force from jedi babies with magic or something if he ever felt too old

>>83598624
I thought he was the senat...not a hero

>>83604434
Sheev, Krennic, Tarkin, Vader, all those guys sitting around the death star.

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The Trade Federation literally did nothing wrong.

The Jedi were anti business SJWs who strongarmed people who thought differently to them.

>Anakin was a shitter because he didn't meditate about the mysteries of the force
>When he's crippled he ends up becoming really powerful because he had to meditate to allievate the pain
Did Sheev even teach him anything?because it looks like Anakin's complex about Obi Wan was the reason he became powerful in that shitty suit.

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>>83605064
>Because he's not our hero
>He's a Silent Senate
>A Watchful Emperor
>A Dark Lord

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>robs mob bosses
>kills them off
>burns the money (non-profit organization)
>forces the DA to show his true colors
>forces Gordon to clean his unit of corruption
>brings eight years of peace to Gotham
>forces a vigilante who thinks he's above the law to go into hiding for almost a decade
>kills less people than batman
really gets the noggin joggin

>>83600444

>kill your sith overlord
>currently the only sith left
>"maybe I should just stop. Or even go one bigger and kill myself to make sure this idea is dead forever"
>rekindle the sith empire just to bring it down.

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daliy reminder

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>>83605505

>>83604656
>banning every single alien race besides humans from the Empire isn't racist
literally the only reason half the races joined the rebels is because they can't hold office in the empire.
>Sheev built a planet destroyer
he also hid / destroyed countless new inventions

>galaxy felt nothing when the republic ended.
true, the empire seemed like a good idea, and it would of been had the person they put in charge not been a fucking Sith Lord.

>>83604892
in the no-canon books / comics he didn't even have a real body anymore, he was some sort of Evil Force Wraith

>>83603538
There was a TV show. Hit and Miss, but some of the arcs we're pure kino.

>>83605837
Alien species actually. Based Sheev was just looking out for his own kind

>>83604972
What i meant was that he died before needing to prolong his life

>>83605901
Unless you're referring to something I haven't read, I think that only goes for events post ROTJ. He definitely had a body before he got thrown down that shaft and sploded with the Death Star. But he learned to come back through his dark abilities and traveled across interstellar space to inhabit a new body. People make fun of this stuff, but I love how mystical it got.

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Magneto.

>>83606634
That was stupid because the Sith can't become Force Ghosts.

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>>83602041
Literally did nothing wrong. If anything he would make America great again getting rid of all these faggots.

I like Leo in almost every performance but in that movie fuck him and Cameron Diaz because they were the worst parts.

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He just wanted to know

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All he wanted was to be respected by his brothers and even when he died the fucking cunts shat on him by having nuNaevia kill him. Fuck Crixus but Manu will always be based just for Slade and every aspect of Crixus character outside of killing Lucretia's baby and as stated above.

>>83606885
He was a Force Wraith DUMBASS
big difference
unlike Yoda and shit, whenever he isn't inside a body he is in a state of torment and madness.

>>83599369
>using the Dark Side of The Force to sway peoples opinions into granting you the title of Emperor and all the powers that entails
Sounds like a far more insidious form of coercion if you ask me. Last I checked coercion is very illegal, even in SW.

>>83600217
The Empire routinely hired Trandoshan slavers to acquire Wookiee slaves. The Empire is A-Ok with slavery.

>>83600758
does he do the rock away?

>>83606567
>alien species
good point

>>83607585
dark side can't change your opinions, all he did was use logic
and no, using dark side was not illegal in the republic, there was a freedom of religion

>>83603167
>Galactic Civilization that has seen thousands of years of unprecedented sustained peace
>Didn't even have an army or navy until The Clone Wars
>Lol why don't these faggots have any super weapons
Are you retarded?

>>83607930
>thousands of years of unprecedented sustained peace
lmao

>>83606666
Quads confirm Magnet did nothing wrong

>>83603213
Things that are canon from the old EU
>Thrawn
>Dark Trooper Project
>YT-2400's
>Inquisitors
>TIE/D's
>Force Nexuses
>Jan Ors sorta kinda as Jyn Erso
>Imperial Remnant as TFO and other Imperial Warlords

>>83603367
>>83604070
Reminder that they renamed Anakin's lightsaber to Rey's lightsaber now. She doesn't even need trials or build a lightsaber.
I bet that lightsaber still has bits and pieces of younglings stuck between the circuits.

>>83607930
They had battle droids for thousands of years

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>>83603327
>There is no emotion, there is peace.
>There is no ignorance, there is knowledge.
>There is no passion, there is serenity.
>There is no chaos, there is harmony.
>There is no death, there is the Force.

Why are Sithaboos such hot-headed brainlets?

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>>83602328
>Yeah, the Galactic Empire was good for Humans but completely shitty for every other alien race.

I fail to see your point. You sound like a filthy xeno-loving heretic. Something you'd like to confess?

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>trying to genocide the raping murdering degenerate mixed-race pirates
>""""""""villain"""""""

>>83605169
In a different universe I can see why you would think the Jedi were narrow-minded assholes, but it is absolutely necessary in the Star Wars universe to adhere strictly to their code so that you don't get consumed by the misery of the dark side.

>>83608146
It's true, otherwise the Republic would have had a military when the CIS was formed.
>Thousands of years since the Great Hyperspace War
>Thousands of years since the Mandalorian Wars
>Thousands of years since the Jedi Civil War
>Thousands of years since The Great Sith War
The Clone Wars was the first galaxy wide conflict to hit the Republic in known memory.

>>83607860
>dark side can't change your opinions, all he did was use logic
It most certainly can, Jedi AND Sith regularly use the Force to influence people around them whether consciously or not. Difference between a Jedi Mind Trick and a Sith Mind Trick is about 100 trillions lives, hundreds of razed systems and over a decade of galactic strife.

>>83608430
Agreed.

>>83600444
Can't berieve the sheev

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>>83603861
>video games
>taking risks

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

>>83608564
mind trick only works on retards for a moment, sheev did not become emperor because he mind tricked the senate, it was purely because he was good at politics

>>83609114
What one state of mind turns even the most intelligent of us into retards? It's fear. And we all know fear is the strongest tool of the Dark Side. Every time Sheev addressed the senate he was getting them scared of what the CIS was going to do to them. By keeping the majority of the senators scared and fearful he was able to direct and manipulate their opinions towards his own goals through use of charisma, guile, as well as the Dark Side. Force mind tricks aren't always overt like Obi's "You don't need to see his identification." Especially ones employed by Darth inSidious.

Matt Damon in the Departed

>>83599369
Lets ignore he created a separatist alliance and threw the whole galaxy into a civil war with millions if not billions of casualties.

>>83610039
nice fanfic

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>>83598712

>>83608564
the difference Jedi Mind Trick and a Sith Mind Trick is about the entire Jedi Order.

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>>83598712

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>>83598712
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>>83611618
>>83611650

>>83599436
Except literally nobody with the exception of Tom Bombadil could resist the temptation to the ring, ultimately resulting in a betrayal by the ring to return to it's master Sauron

>>83599109
In the expanded universe (not Lucas' lore), Palpatine knew the Yuzhang Von were going to invade and that's part of why he set up the empire and death star.

>>83603799
Paul Dini, from BTAS wrote Arkham City. The movies had David Goyer, rewritten by Terrio and handed off to Snyder.

>>83600699
Hes so lean back too

>>83604221
i'm dying, send help

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>tfw the separatists were the only real "good guys" of the prequels

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>>83598624

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>>83598624

>>83615725
This

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>>83605505
I'm only at the beginning of season 4 but at this point I don't think he could even be called a villain. Even antagonist is too strong a word, maybe "adversary".