They dragged his good name through the mud

>>83535059
true, he wanted a peaceful resolution IRL. They just dragged his name through the mud because he knew Hitler later in life

>>83535059
Who knew he was real life Bane?

whoa whoa whoa

are you saying that kikes are purposefully misrepresenting history for their own political gain? What a shock!

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>>83535059
lmao
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSQL17y5zg8

>>83535158
he literally tried to overthrow the government with Hitler

>>83535059
Elende Judenschweine.

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>>83535286
>oy vey he tried to overthrow (((Weimar)))

>>83535286
over throwing the weimar republic seems like a good thing.

>>83535460
t, Hitler

>>83535158
Ludendorff sabotaged the peace effort by dumping it all on the transitional government and washing his hands of it and then trashed the government after the war with his memoirs where he pushed the 'stabbed in the back' narrative.

>>83535472
>by dumping it all on the transitional government

You mean giving up control to the new government is bad? By that logic electing a new president every 4 years is bad.

>'stabbed in the back' narrative.
>narrative

lol

Is trying to take over the fucking country with a communist revolution not "stabbing in the back" now?

>>83535601
The German army was being overrun on the battlefield. They were losing no matter what. Notice the people who pushed the stabbed in the back narrative weren't on the front lines in the last days of the war

>>83535601
>help destabilize a nascent government at a decisive period when it needs support, accomplishing nothing but damaging the cause of your own nation
>popularize canards after the fact that further delegitimizes the fledgling state and encourages radicalization for the sole purpose of trying to save face

>>83535702
The communist run Spartacist League in Germany incited millions of workers to strike in 1918

none of the owners in Britain, France or the US went on strike because communist leaders were either imprisoned or exiled.

With the strikes and the entry of the US into the war it was over.

Germany had the army available to oppose an invasion, but the troops were all in Russia, where they had previously won, not in the west.

http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/workers-prepare-to-strike-in-germany

After the war ended the Sparticist League attempted to enact a communist revolution which was put down by former German soldiers.

>>83535871
>one of the owners in Britain, France or the US went on strike because communist leaders were either imprisoned or exiled
lol. You literally have done 0 reading on WW1 outside of that /pol/ infographic. There were significant strikes in ALL OF THOSE COUNTRIES, multiple ones that resulted in violent repressions by the government. The main difference was that Germans were starving to death because of a prolonged blockade and entente civilians weren't.

>>83535158
Bullshit, he threw everything at winning, and then bitched out and forced the provisional government to surrender to Wilson

>>83535871
That was in January. And I hope you realize that not only the communists were against this war in 1918.
>After the war ended the Sparticist League attempted to enact a communist revolution which was put down by former German soldiers.
That was after the initial revolution which ended German empire and forced Wilhelm to abdicate.

>none of the owners in Britain, France or the US went on strike because communist leaders were either imprisoned or exiled.
It's mostly because hundred thousands of people weren't starving to death in Britain or France.

>>83535857
>nascent government

Weimar was already suffocated in the crib by the Treaty of Versailles. The whole point of overthrowing Weimar was because they had failed to stand up to the French and British demands to completely destroy the German economy and German people.

>delegitimizes the fledgling state

Weimar delegitimized itself during the Depression and it was overthrown politically just like the banking and political system in the US would have been if FDR hadn't saved it with massive populist reform.

>>83535989
Nonsense

Wilson made damn sure that there weren't any strikes during WW1 going all the way from locking up political dissidents
to banning the teaching of German in college.

The only real strikes and mutinies were from the Irish, but that's an entirely separate issue.

>>83536117
Let me ask you very seriously, have you ever even read a single academic book about any of these topics? The end of WW1? The Spartacist uprising? Ludendorff? Interwar Germany? Because it seems to me that you're rattling off /pol/ talking points you picked up, not from rigorous self study, but from parroting infographics.

>>83536111
>after the initial revolution
That wasn't a "revolution"

It was a collapse of the government. The revolution was the communist revolution (led mainly by Jews such as the famed Rosa Luxembourg) who wanted to create a Bolshevik style government.

If they had succeeded they would have enacted a red terror type campaign where they slaughtered all of their political opponents just like Trotsky did.

>because hundred thousands of people weren't starving to death

Or it's because the political rabble rousers who didn't play ball with the government were put in jail

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sedition_Act_of_1918

Incompetent and ignorant military leadership made WWI the shitshow it was, especially so with Germany

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>>83536258
Yes

My favorite book on the subject, mainly the end of the war is Paris 1919, which is mainly about what a colossal fuck up the Treaty of Versailles was.

But I'm sure you know that because of what an "expert" you are.

>>83535469
having child prostitutes, gays, and transexuals around certainly seems like a healthy society

>>83536318
>what a colossal fuck up the Treaty of Versailles was.
The Treaty of Versailles was pretty lenient compared to previous treaties

>>83536268
>Or it's because the political rabble rousers who didn't play ball with the government were put in jail
I think it's mostly because they were starving to death.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turnip_Winter

And because they were losing on all fronts.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hundred_Days_Offensive

And because the soldiers were tired of dying for their generals.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiel_mutiny

>>83536318
You should read something about Brest-Litovsk now.

>>83536318
I highly doubt you're getting your claims about the Sparticist Uprising from that book, or your claims about the labor unrest of 1918 Germany and the Imperial German army's military position in that same year.

>>83536258
>>83536461
>counterargument
>haha read more
>provides literary source for beliefs and ideals
>HAHA READ MORE

You're the kind of faux intellectual that harms serious discussion.

>>83536268
>If they had succeeded they would have enacted a red terror type campaign where they slaughtered all of their political opponents just like Trotsky did.
Luxemburg and Liebknecht were actually against bolshevik terror. And they were put down by the new SOCIALIST government. SPD was the most popular party among the soldiers and workers that rebelled and formed councils. The Communists were never that popular in Germany.

Of course when Hitler and Ludendorff talked about "November Criminals" he also meant the SPD, not only the Communists.

>>83535469
nah there's a reason pretty much everybody fucking loved Hitler in Germany, and it was because the Weimar Republic was literally worse than Hitler.

>>83536501
No, I got that information from another book, titled "Jews and the Left"

https://www.amazon.com/Jews-Left-Rise-Political-Alliance/dp/1137008296

>>83536597
They were assassinated by the Friekorps, and there's no proof the SPD, which was a Social Democratic party, had anything to do with their execution.

But they were also in the process of violently overthrowing the German state in order to replace it with a communist government.

Germany's foreign policy, literally based around Wilhelm II's Oedipus complex, meant that they had lost the war as soon as it started.

>>83535059
I'm confused. Is this /tv/-related in a way that I'm not seeing?

>>83537065
He was a homosexual, cross-dressing armlet. Did people really not notice he was mentally ill?

>>83537065
>Oedipus complex

Freudianism was debunked as pseudoscience for over 30 years ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decline_and_Fall_of_the_Freudian_Empire

>muh degenerate Weimar Republic!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harden%E2%80%93Eulenburg_affair

>>83535469
>Shit republic that needs reelections every second week because politicians don't want/can't form a functional government
>The guy that wants to kick the other parties out of parliament
Hard choice when I'm starving and have to buy my shit with pushcarts full of money.

Can someone please explain to me what the fuck happened in the aftermath of Ares death?

Why the fuck are the germans smiling and hugging the people who just blew up their base and killed all their friends

Were they being mind controlled by Ares? That goes against the whole theme of the movie

Real Talk... could Bismarck have toppled Wilhelm if he refused to resign?

>>83538108
No. Bismarck's party wasn't even the most popular party in Germany. The only reason his coalition was on top so consistently were voting laws that were draw up to specifically favor conservatives and dampen the popular power of the liberal parties.

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>>83536333
We have two of those things now, what's the big deal?

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>>83537172

>Freudianism was debunked as pseudoscience for over 30 years ago

So anon who read the book, what you're saying is Germany was completely in the right post-WW1, that the taking down of the German government was a response to some Jewish revolution? Why didn't they just stick to their own shit after that? Why steamroll Poland and attack Russia?

>>83538505
>Why steamroll Poland and attack Russia?
Hitler did a lot of things wrong. Would've been better if Luddendorf or someone else took over

>>83538807
Yeah from what it sounds like if he had kept his military might in his pants he might've succeeded. Guess we'll never know now.

>>83535059
No noise from his estate or children wanting to sue WB?

>>83538505
>Germany was completely in the right post-WW1

I'm not making a moral judgement, I'm just pointing out it was entirely logical to oppose both Weimar and the Communist revolution.

>Why steamroll Poland and attack Russia?

This is a completely different issue, but the main reason is because Poland refused an alliance to attack Russia. Russia was seen as a threat because it was an expansionist communist government that followed an ideology demanding world domination.

"Alliances" are always shaky affairs and never set in stone. The US post WW1 had plans to overthrow the British Empire in case they attempted to stifle US naval power.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Plan_Red

In the end it never happened because Churchill more or less sold the Empire to the US during WW2.

>>83539064
Intradasting.

>>83535059
It's a real shame how Dogati made him swallow those diamonds

>>83539064
>I'm just pointing out it was entirely logical to oppose both Weimar and the Communist revolution.
Except it wasn't. And it wasn't the Germans who opposed the Weimar Republic but a small group of nationalists (if we are talking about 1923 putsch).
The majority of German people supported the official government.

>>83535242
Why does he look so sickly? Did they get Hepatitis C from a tattoo needle?

>>83539303
>>83539064
Who is there to believe? It seems as if we'll never know the truth about 1918-1945.

>>83539303
>it wasn't the Germans who opposed the Weimar Republic but a small group of nationalists (if we are talking about 1923 putsch).
>The majority of German people supported the official government.
This is true for all revolutions though
>the majority of people din't support Washington
>the majority of people didn't support Lenin

>>83539352
>This is true for all revolutions though
That's still a big difference. You shouldn't go around spreading misinformation like that if you want people to believe you. There is a large difference between Germans opposing the Weimar Republic, and a group of nationalists. Why did the majority of Germans not give a fuck?

>>83539064
>it was an expansionist communist government that followed an ideology demanding world domination

So you're saying that Russia, who after the Revolution and Stalin's rise to power had followed a foreign policy of "Socialism in one country" and had not annexed or invaded anyone for over a decade was the 'expansionist government' while Germany during this same time broke agreement after agreement annexing most of central Europe was not?

>>83537050
>They were assassinated by the Friekorps
True, but the Freikorps were under command of Gustav Noske, who was a member of SPD. The socialist government used paramilitary right-wing groups to crush the uprising.

>>83535158
>>83535059

What?

Correct me if I am wrong.

But wasn't he part of the inner movement that attempted (through propaganda and other things) to take over and continue the war at all costs?

>They just dragged his name through the mud because he knew Hitler later in life

But wasn't him one of the people who warned others about Hitler and how he would destroy the nation?

>>83539408
I'm not him. I was just making a point about any myth of revolutions. They are always fought by a hated minority, till they get power

>>83537065

I believe Wilhelm knew about this before it even started.

Wasn't this the very first reason why they wanted to defeat France as fast as they could or else they knew they wouldn't be able to hold both fronts, considering that the Austro Hungarians just couldn't set their priorities straight, nor fight the Russians?

>>83539352
Hitler/Ludendorff putsch wouldn't be even worth mentioning if not for Hitler's later career. It was virtually impossible to seize power that way. People didn't support it, the Army didn't support it and there was a long way from nationalist Munich to "Red" Berlin.

Kapp was much closer to seize power and he also failed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kapp_Putsch

>>83539064
>that followed an ideology demanding world domination.
Looks familliart

>>83539352

>the majority of people didn't support Lenin

But this is false.

The majority of people supported the movements that the poor administration of Nicholas had caused.

If anything, this is one of the fairly unique examples where the military itself sided with the people and, later on, with the movements that resulted from their union.

>>83539453
Yup, he hated Hitler and warned Hindenburg about him.
He also went full crazy in 1920s and founded with his wife a bizarre secret society blaming Christianity for everything bad that happened to Germany.

>>83539303
>it wasn't the Germans who opposed the Weimar Republic

Weimar was incredibly unpopular from left, right, and center, nationalists, communists, etc

The question wasn't whether Weimar was a failure, but *who* would replace it.

>>83539429
Communist ideology didnn't just magically "change"

The main problem in the USSR after Lenin's death was "who's in charge now". It took a very long time for Stalin to fully secure his position.

The Great Purge in the USSR wasn't over until 1938 a mere year prior to world war 1.

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>>83539334
The fact is man you'll never know everything about that period of time, let alone the truth of it. I remember in 10th grade learning about the pogroms in Russia against jewish people. It seemed kinda fucked up that they would just round up jews for no reason and fuck them up like that. This thread and another have stirred me up to do some research on the pogroms in Russia just now.

In 1881, Alexander II, emperor of Russia was assassinated by Russian extremists of the Narodnaya Volya group. I found an archive of a newspaper article detailing the events of that day. It was carried out on a festive jewish holiday, so the Russians charged the jews with "having made merry in anticipation of the events that were going to happen." But if you look up the names of the three bombers, none of them were jews. They were ethnically Russian. It sounds like the age old extremist tactic of setting up a group of people to be made out as the enemy. However if you look into the Nardonaya Volya group, you'll find that 14% of the group indeed had ethnic jewish origins. So the jews influenced non-jewish members of Nardonaya Volya to assassinate Alexander II, right? But if you look into Alexander II's policies, he was actually quite favorable to the jews.

So then you have people today on 4chan trying to say who was in the right for x event, (in this thread alone the Germans opposing the Weimar republic) who was in the right for another x event, when in reality we'll simply never know. It's a bunch of dudes trying to make sense of shit that'll never be made sense of. I feel like what we should do instead is simply try to do right by each other today. But that's meaningless rhetoric. So I feel like the U.S. should first and foremost pull out some of its funding for Israel since modern day Israel is doing not very favorable things to their neighbors. But then someone might say we need to keep Iran in check, and that Israel is out foothold in the region. This is hard.

>>83539625
The majority supported the revolution but not the bolsheviks. There were two revolutions in Russia in 1917. Some people even say that there was one revolution (in February) and a bolshevik putsch.

During the civil war a lot of people decided to join the bolsheviks because Whites had very little to offer.

>>83539707

>this is what dumb libcucks believe

Could you please get the fuck out of my board?

Accept it already, you lost the election, come on its been 6 months dude.

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>>83539746
What did he mean by this? It's liberal to to pull support away from Israel?

>>83539740

Eh sure.

Trotski did have most things planned (including the formation of their own personal army the Red guard) to either defend the people or take over, which is what ended up happening when the provisional government of Kerensky failed in their endeavor of continuing the war (and succeeding at it).

>>83539657
Weimar was unpopular among radical right and radical left groups. Until the great depression the workers were willing to fight for the democracy, and Kapp putsch is a good example of this.

>>83539657
>Communist ideology didnn't just magically "change"
State Policy does. And state policy in the USSR in the years before WW2 when Hitler was invading and annexing austria, czechoslovakia and the rhineland was decidedly anti-expansionist.

>>83539746
>this reply to a well-thought, well-written post

>>83539819

Anon why are you samefagging to jerk off your own ego.

Get out of here.

>>83539438
There's no evidence that Luxembourg was assassinated at the behest of the SPD.

>>83539625
Nonsense

the Bolsheviks only had 10% of the elected legislative branch prior to the Red Terror.

It was during the Red Terror under Trotsky that they killed anyone who politically stood in the way of the communist party in the USSR.

>>83539809

>putsch

What a shit word.

>>83535059
Ludendorff isn't vilified enough.

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>>83539859
That guy's not me.

Since you're still here, why'd you bring up the election? What is your stance on Israel? Any comments on the notion that we'll never know everything about history?

>>83539871
>There's no evidence that Luxembourg was assassinated at the behest of the SPD.
I'm not saying she was. I'm saying that Ebert and Noske are responsible for crushing the rebellion. I also doubt they felt sorry for the Communist leaders after they were executed.

>>83539913

Lol do you realize you can easily remove the (You) right?

get out of here

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>>83539934
>get out of here
Or what...? What are you going to do?

>Since you're still here, why'd you bring up the election? What is your stance on Israel? Any comments on the notion that we'll never know everything about history?

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>>83539934
Yes, he clearly photoshopped it. More than one person on Earth could not possibly think that you're retarded.

Right?
You are

>>83539809
>Until the great depression

That's like saying "The world was largely at peace until Archduke Franz Ferdinand was assassinated by a Serbian"

meaningless

>>83539810
So you're going to ignore the great purge and other mitigating factors preventing Soviet expansion? Alright.

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@83539973
@83539971

>dude continues samefagging to continue jerking his own ego

Cringe.

No more (You)'s for you.

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>>83540015
>Since you're still here, why'd you bring up the election? What is your stance on Israel? Any comments on the notion that we'll never know everything about history?

>>83539986
>meaningless
It's not meaningless. They stopped supporting democracy only during a time of great hardships.

>>83540054
And we should all remember that even in 1932 the only democratic party was still the second most popular party.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_federal_election,_November_1932

>>83539920
>I'm saying that Ebert and Noske are responsible for crushing the rebellion.

Okay but original post was implying that the SPD leadership was somehow personally responsible for executing enemy combatants like Luxemburg which simply isn't true.

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>>83539777
How old are you? Liberals always hated Israel. It's all about the palishits underdogs for them

>>83540197
>Liberals always hated Israel.
>while sucking jewish money
nice try Rabbi

>>83540197
23. I don't bother much with the politics regarding Israel because it's a clusterfuck. More than that I think it's useless to throw blanket statements around like that because I'd bet 5grand that the average U.S. citizen, let alone the average liberal, doesn't give a fuck about Israel too much.

That said, do you think they should continue to receive support from the United States?

>>83540100
>>83540054
It's meaningless because the Weimar Republic was largely unpopular in Germany, but there was enough political inertia to keep it around until all the terrible policies of Versailles, that the Weimar Republic glibly went along with, finally came to fruition with the Great Depression.

It's not like the Great Depression was some inexplicable event it was the inevitable outcome of the plundering and looting of continental Europe mainly via debt financing, inflation, etc pushed by the victors of WW1.

At first the results were great especially for the American stock market, until they weren't.

>>83540349
Inflation ended in 1924.

>that the Weimar Republic glibly went along with
You know this is not true. It was either this or continuation of war. It barely passed in the parliament and the ones responsible for this became a target for right-wing terrorist groups. Rathenau was killed, same with Erzberger.

>pushed by the victors of WW1
Thanks to the Britons and Americans Versailles was so lenient. France wanted to completely partition Germany. Foch was right saying "This is not a peace. It is an armistice for twenty years".

Fuck, the German barely paid any reparations. How can you say it was terrible?

>>83539986
Soviet Policy was inarguably anti-expansionist while Nazi policy was inarguably expansionist. Saying "oh but there were extenuating circumstances" is just equivocating.

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>>83540584
>Soviet Policy was inarguably anti-expansionist
But this guy: >>83539064

says Russia was expansionist as fuck, its conclusion being world domination.

>>83535242
wow, that's a paid review if i ever saw one

>i was getting tired of slo-mo, but wonder woman made me like it again

fucking really? slow motion is fucking retarded pleb shit

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>>83540584
>Soviet Policy was inarguably anti-expansionist
Retard

>>83535472
>he pushed the 'stabbed in the back' narrative.
>implying germany wasn't stabbed in the back by the jews

>>83540710
We're talking about the interwar period you daft idiot, when "Socialism in one state" was the USSR state policy.

>>83540710
You can thank Hitler for that.

>>83540710
>soviets
>influencig Josef Broz Tito

tippest toppest of keks

i get why kikes hate hitler

but why ludendorff? the guy is literally a military genius who never did shit to jews

>>83540775
Expansion was always the plan, "socialism in one state" was just a front until they got their shit figured out.
>>83540777
>muh hitler made the soviets go back to world domination
bitch please
>>83540783
Yes, you noticed that it's a shitty map, congratulations.

>>83540710
The Soviets were merely supporting sympathetic socialist governments in the role of first among equals.

It was the "Western" "Democracies" that had collapsing worldwide empires.

;)

>>83540789
>but why ludendorff?
German

>>83540789
>but why ludendorff?
he's white

>slavs start 2 world wars
>blame it on the germans

>>83540710
Probably shouldn't invaded USSR alongside their German masters

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>>83540828
>The Soviets were merely supporting sympathetic socialist governments in the role of first among equals.

>It was the "Western" "Democracies" that had collapsing worldwide empires.
What is the United States of America.
European colonial powers were finished after WWII

>>83540878
hitler and emperor wilhelm are slavs?

>>83540823
>Expansion was always the plan
Surely you have some source for that claim.

>>83535059

I actually thought he was a good villain desu.

>>83540823
>muh hitler made the soviets go back to world domination
Stalin knew that the Soviets were too weak to defeat a unified Europe. Hitler changed everything

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>>83540894
>implying empires consist only of territorial control and protectorates

>what are commercial empires

>mfw you're really this retarded

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>>83540928
>Surely you have some source for that claim.

kys you fucking uneducated pleb

>>83540923
No but russians and pollacks are

>>83540789
He was a piece of shit. He blamed his failure on a new democratic government starting the stab in the back myth. He was a coward afraid of responsibility.

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>>83540962
>pic related: the cause of one or more World Wars

>>83540956
Oh...so you don't actually have any source and are conflating abstract ideological dogma for official state policy.

>>83540997
That's a pollock you fucking monkey. Keep pretending to be retarded so I don't have to destroy your opinion that Russians and serbs didn't start ww1 and that poles didn't start ww2

>>83536258
>losing argument
>losing composure
>losing dignity
don't know that ad hominem and appeal to authority are going to right the ship here.
Faggot

>>83541030
How are Poles responsible for WW2?

>>83540954
>the usa had a collapsing global commercial empire
nigga wut
losing cuba, vietnam, and angola doesn't count as a "collapse"

>>83541025
i guess "proletariat of the world, unite" doesn't give it away to a numbskull like you.

read up on the Brest- Litovsk treaty, and why it took so long for Lenin to sign it with the Germans.

protip: he was waiting for a commie revolution in Germany, which he thought would spread into france, so he was stalling

the emblem i posted is just a confirmation. they weren't even hiding their plan to take over the world you fucking retard.

>>83541080
You're confusing slogans for official policy and Leninism with Stalinism. As if there was no ideological evolution whatsoever in the USSR.

>>83541025
"National communism" is inherently contradictory and impossible to maintain in perpetuity.

>>83541156
you can't get more "official" with regards to policy than actual fucking peace treaty negotiations

>As if there was no ideological evolution

There wasn't. The end goal is always the same - taking over the world. Only the means change - there is indeed an evolution, but only in the means of achieving the main goal.

Hence, Lenin actually had close associates who were interested in the whole revolution business, wheras Stalin chose other means like a more generous financing of the Comintern

>>83541472
You're talking about negotiations that took place in 1917 as 'proof' that The USSR after Stalin's ascent in 1924 was 'expanionist' during the interwar.

Your reasoning about 'world domination' is as tenuous as saying Liberal Democracy wants to 'take over the world' because it exports its own values to other countries.

>>83541591
>The USSR after Stalin's ascent in 1924 was 'expanionist' during the interwar.

nobody claimed it was expansionist during Stalin's early reign. it couldn't, it just got out of civil war.

but the point that you are ignoring is that there were clearly plans made to take over the world.

>>83541626
No, there was a period during the throes of the revolution that a branch of bolsheviks, headed by Trotsky, believed in an 'eternal revolution'. Trotsky was killed and his doctrine ceased to be relevant in the state policy.

>>83540546
>Inflation ended in 1924.

Ironically the hyper inflation was the *least* destructive part of the Versaille economic looting or Europe.

>You know this is not true.

It is. The leaders of Weimar simply couldn't stand up to the WW1 victors demands that Germany to commit economic suicide.

>Versailles was so lenient

That's laughable

>France wanted to completely partition Germany.

That's how you get a permanent insurgency

>the German barely paid any reparations

billions of dollars siphoned out of an already crumbling economy is "barely anything"? You must be an austerity cultist or else you would realize how disastrous taking money out of an economy is.

>>83540584
You can't expand into other countries if you haven't fully gained control of your own country

I'm sure you'd like to ignore crucial details, but in history it's seen as poor form.

>>83541690
The core of Marxism is based on the idea of a Communist world order brought about by revolutionary action, including warfare.

It's amazing that communists are allowed to deny something so basic about history.

Stalin however had the foresight of realizing that he needed to dispose of his enemies in Russia before he could attack foreign countries.

Before Hitler attacked Russia, the USSR was already attempting to invade border countries like Finland.

>>83541872
>Before Hitler attacked Russia, the USSR was already attempting to invade border countries like Finland.
Emmm... Finland was included into Soviet sphere of interests by USSR-Germany agreement.
Not to mention it was rightful russian clay.
And all what Stalin wanted is just move border from St.Petersburg

>>83541888
Stupid burgers.

>>83541918
>Finland was included into Soviet sphere of interests

That's a meaningless phrase

Declaring some geographical a part of your "interests" doesn't give you automatic sovereignty over it. You have to actually invade to do that.

The US's Monroe Doctrine would have been worthless if the British could have invaded and occupied Mexico successfully.

>rightful russian clay

"rightful" territory can only be determined by war.

Finland certainly wasn't ethnically Russian yet Russia still invaded.

Germany had far more claim to areas with ethnic Germans than Russia did to parts of Finland in terms of ethnic self determination.

Of course the USSR didn't "believe" in ethnic self determination in the first place.

The only justification for invading Finland would have been either strategic or ideological (spreading communism)

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>>83535059
>kraut
>good name

KYS

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>>83538746
>all that time in photoshop
>still has no job

topkek nazi kuk
keep sucking that cock like a good kuk

>>83541731
Your argument that the USSR was expansionist during this time rests on slogans and quotes from Bolsheviks leaders who by this time were all dead and their doctrine had been updated or fully thrown out.

>>83542095
>Declaring some geographical a part of your "interests" doesn't give you automatic sovereignty over it.
Yep, the point was that Stalin's policy became "expansionistic" only after it was clear that WW2 will happen (after Munich).
>Finland certainly wasn't ethnically Russian
Yeah except it was we who give fins their nation and their state, under Sweden Finland was just a colony.
>Germany had far more claim to areas with ethnic Germans
Sure, because Prague and Warsaw were german cities.
>Of course the USSR didn't "believe" in ethnic self determination in the first place.
Well, after Trotsky USSR was nationalistic as fuck.
>The only justification for invading Finland would have been either strategic or ideological (spreading communism)
Or securing second largest city of the Union

>>83541591
>Liberal Democracy wants to 'take over the world' because it exports its own values to other countries.
it kind of does though

>>83543220
It absolutely does. Both capitalism and communism require global hegemony for infinite perpetuity

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>>83539632
Ludendorff was 100% on point you christard cocksucking faggot

>"Onward christian soldiers" - Churchill