Are they right, /tv/?

>>83513473
Superhero films are bad for any kind of society.

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It's a article from Salon, what the fuck do you think?

Yes.

>>83513473
But elitism and the savior fantasy are huge parts of leftist worldview. And capeshit is full of left bullshit and forced diversity hiring so I don't so how it can be right-wing. Affirmative action is a leftist policy.

That's idiotic. Superhero films, like the myths about demigods they evolved from are about human ideals. Of course they're good for democracy.

>>83513533
>elitism and the savior fantasy are huge parts of leftist worldview
>no u

>so I don't so how it can be right-wing
They literally explained it in the head you fucking moron

>>83513533

These people treated Obama's election like the second coming of Christ a decade ago. I'm not a Trump fag at all, but it's retarded to pretend that idol worship is a right wing phenomena.

>>83513473
Salon is just about clickbait articles, don't click on their shit

>>83513597
Link to Kevin Spencer article treating Obama like second coming of Christ please?

>>83513579
Still idiotic. The movie was about the average Joe (a cis white male that tamed an amazon with a proper dicking, if we wanna make it /pol/) saving the day.

Superhero films are just plain bad.

>>83513625
>Superhero films
>the movie was
Yes you still are. Haven't seen WonderWoman but I'm pretty sure it's about WonderWoman and not average Joe

>>83513657
Well I've seen it and you haven't and I've probably spoiled a plot point there so I apologize, get off tv if you don't want it ruined

>>83513597
Not idol worship in general, now, but the submission to the corporate oligarchy that Trump represents very much is.

Isn't to say that the left, especially the American left, has always been as antagonistic towards it as it should have been but it has always been a lot more critical of it.

>>83513473

Democracy is one of the worst forms of goverment and needs guidance in order to keep society in order.

It is a route to demagoguery, centralisation and degenerated shallow politics.

>>83513473
We have an orange haired 'supervillian' in the white house right now...you tell me.

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>>83513741
The left in the USA isn't anti-corporate at all.

>>83513798
It almost was but thankfully Comrade Sanders was stopped

>>83513741
>lol I have no idea what I'm talking about
We know, anon. Because if you did you would know that "corporate oligarchy" supported Hillary; not Trump.

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>>83513473
(((Salon)))

>>83513473
When is this election/politics/Trump stupor going to die out? You can't discuss anything without it getting in the way. It's been half a year and you're still shitting out of your mouth every day about it.

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>>83513741

>leftist
>more critical idol worship

kek

>>83513880
The absolutel ironing of seeing a bunch of fags wearing Che t-shirts and "mourning" the death of castro while claiming to support LGBTQWTF right was hilarious.

>>83513868
democrats have no institutional power anymore so instead their supporters collectively use their positions as culture creators to churn out enormous amounts of propaganda night and day. hence you never stop hearing about trump in any form of american media.

>>83513845
That's why current Trump cabinet full of oligarchs adn members of Trump's family?

Is there a film where the people excercising their right to vote are the heroes?

Because it's not just superheroes that generally put elites in the spotlight.

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Quick, go watch this propaga...I mean movie and gimme your shekels!

>>83513957

Are we going to pretend that Hillary wouldn't have been a corporate stooge albeit a more subtle, better spoken one?

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>>83513473
Nobody said shit about this before, but now that you don't like the president, it's ruining our children.

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>>83513473
Maher had the same reasoning recently: they think the idea of providential man/woman is dangerous.

https://youtu.be/cD1e0BNNifk

>>83514048
>Are we going to pretend that Hillary wouldn't have been a corporate stooge albeit a more subtle, better spoken one?
No, my point is that they both jewish puppet

>>83513741
You do know Dialectical Materialism is a spook right?

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>>83514079
>believing a kike

>>83513947
I don't care about your inferiority complex, keep your little anecdotes to yourself, dicklips. The board has been teeming with bullshit ever since the end of last year, and either side can't shut the fuck up about. I want to talk about movies, not read TMZ articles about how Kim Kardashian said "covfefe" once by accident.

Uhh, I'm not sure how they can be bad for democracy but they're bad for competition in the film industry. Only movies that can succeed at theaters now are massive movies from mega studios.

>>83514144
i love how well crafted your butthurt quip was. i'm sorry to inform you though that /tv/ is a shitposting board now and there's nothing you can do about it, sweetheart.

maybe if you go to /r/movies you can discuss the "genius" of dune and citizen kane 100 more times!

>>83513473
Iron Man came out in 2008 during the first Obama presidential campaign.
Eight years of Superhero films and nothing is problematic about them(outside of Black Widow not being able to have kids), Trump elected and the first female-led superhero film to actually do well is released and NOW they're a problem for democracy.

There is something inherently conservative about superheroes no matter how explicitly liberal the politics they express are.

>>83513473
They're right as in it's coherent according to certain ideologies. The ideologies are not necessarily right.

>>83514242
A friend of mine said that Iron Man glorified American imperialism.

>>83513473
Comic books and by extension movies have always been fascist power fantasies
Doesn't matter who writes it or how liberal they are.
The Fascism is inherent to the characters

>>83513957
Trump isn't in the pocket of ANY corporations or banks; unlike Hillary who was in all of their pockets.

>>83513957
it's not oligarchs if they're doing good things. more like aristocrats

>>83514363
It's not like he owes a lot of money to Russian banks right?

Fucking cult of personality.

>>83514483
>it's not oligarchs if they're doing good things.
Like working for Wall Street and Soros?

>>83513533
>But elitism and the savior fantasy are huge parts of leftist worldview.

You're a fucking idiot.

>>83513597
>These people treated Obama's election like the second coming of Christ a decade ago

Bullshit. That's the sheerest hyperbole.

>>83514546
We want to be friends with Russia though.
Do you even understand your enemies?

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>>83513818

Batman v Superman
Suicide Squad
Wonder Woman
I should assume Justice League too will be compared to Donald Trump?

>>83514570
Like supporing tariffs, immigration restrictions a less neoconish foreign policy etc

>>83514483
>destroying the planet is a good thing
>getting rid of public schools is a good thing
>lowering taxes on the rich, raising the tax burden on the working class, and increasing the deficit is a good thing

You're a special kind of stupid aren't you?

>>83514602
>Like supporing tariffs,
Well he freeing them from the taxes, so...
>immigration restrictions
That's why it's incresasing after election?
>a less neoconish foreign policy
>sells shitton of weapon to Saudi Arabia
>supports Saudi-Israel policy on Middle East

>>83514363
What about his or corporation? Or the fact that he's put Exxon and Goldman Sachs executives in his cabinet?

>>83514104
not him but saying something is a spook and then feeling smug doesn't add anything to a discussion

>>83513473
classic salon

>>83513473
>trying everything to appeal cancer
>cancer still complains

they just never learn

>>83513845
they're both from the NYC millionaires club and ran in the same circles. The Democrat grass-root at least recognized Shillary was an oligarch, it's just that the party establishment didn't give a shit and fixed the primary.

>>83514048
less of a bull in a china shop kind of oligarch.

>>83514668
I know I'm dissapointed too. But that's what we voted for. Hillary represented the opposite. Trump's victory sends the message that this positions are not totally unviable for electoral contests

>>83514721
Just messing with the Marxist

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Terrible, terrible thread.

>>83514801
>trying everything to appeal to cancer

Obviously they aren't, I'm laughing at your obvious cognitive dissonance.

>SJWs complain about Hollywood constantly, almost as much as crying Nazis do
>/pol/ tard has an aneurysm and initiates damage control:
>"i-i-t's a conspiracy to please SJWs and they s-still aren't pleased!"

No, actually you were just wrong about Hollywood catering to SJWs in the first place, you dumb fuckstain.

>>83513473
I could see that. There's a fine line between the ideal self and a cult of personality. It's important to ask who the real cuck is here.

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>>83514976
>this positions are not totally unviable

>>83515108
>It's important to ask who the real cuck is here.

Maybe if you're a cell in the clot to which the childish notion of "cucking" is important, but not otherwise.

>>83515112
Sorry not a native speaker. I'm one of them white hispanics

>>83515151
>a cell in the clot to which the childish notion of "cucking" is important
Oh wait, you mean 4chan? Yeah, exactly. Thank you for clarifying.

>>83513929
Got a good laugh when Trudeau tweeted about Castro being a "great world leader who helped many". What a dumb fuck.

>>83515262
>Oh wait, you mean 4chan?

Not even /tv/. Good luck with that, anon.

>>83515536
you've probably never laughed in all your life

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>>83513473
American superheroes are awful and so is their message. Batman and Iron Man are the only worthwhile superheroes. The rest just escapism, in American comics they always get their power by accident and they do get worshipped as savior's essentially. In weeb mangas they work relentlessly to achieve what they want and people are grateful but don't have the same faith the public does to superheroes as in american comics.

>>83515589
Ok, why even bother to reply with such a vapid comment.

>>83515594
Fuck off weeb

>>83513597
>people bitching about democracy being hurt by super heroes are dumb
No, really? Are you sure anon?

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>People that worship minorities think Democracy is the best system, even though it a government where everything is decided by the majority.

>>83514012
>Is there a film where the people excercising their right to vote are the heroes?

There isn't any. That setting makes such a boring film.

>>83514012
12 Angry Men? Even if its not voting in an election it displays the spirit of democracy of how the citizens should arrive at the best vote through discussion and debate rather than gut reactions or shilling.

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>>83513473
>salon

>>83515594
>In weeb mangas they work relentlessly to achieve what they want and people are grateful but don't have the same faith the public does to superheroes as in american comics
Mr. Satan, the guy who got the credit for everything, is seen as a savior.

>>83513473
The end of the movie is LITERALLY Wonder Woman admitting that superheros can't save the world, but that it depends on individual people so that's objectively wrong in this case.

>>83513473
>Nerd culture is the product of a late capitalist conspiracy, designed to infantalize the consumer as a means of non-aggressive control
Pegg

>SW movies are for children but they don't want to admit it. There's a small group of fans that do not like comic sidekicks. They want the films to be tough like The Terminator and they get very upset and opinionated about anything that has anything to do with being childlike
Lucas

>SW created the big-budget comic book mentality, it ate the heart and the soul of Hollywood
Schrader

>A 12yo boy told me proudly that he had seen SW over a 100 times? I said 'could you promise never to see it again?' He burst into tears. I just hope the lad, now in his 30s, isn't living in a fantasy world of secondhand childish banalities
Guinness

>I don't think they are making them an elevated art form, I think it's still just Batman running around in a stupid cape. It's for kids, it's adolescent in its core
Cronenberg

>I don't want to see or make films about super heroes that fly around in spandex and a cape solving the problems of the world. I think it's fine for children, children of all ages by the way, but it's not for me
Friedkin

>They have been poison, this cultural genocide, Because the audience is so overexposed to plot and explosions and shit that doesn’t mean nothing about the experience of being human
Iñárritu

>Spandex must cost a lot. I look at them and scratch my head. I’m really baffled by it
Gibson

>Superman makes me vomit, Batman and all of that. That whole empire, this religion. It is so important that superheroes suffer... I don't give a damn, I shit on the United States
Jodorowsky

>>83515594
Fuck off weeb

>>83513473
Yes please kill capeshit based Salon comrades.
Viva la revolución etc etc

>>83516428
That's because they think it was actually him who saved the world from a galaxy-annihilator class danger. And even then, nobody wants to kill him because THERE IS A 1% HE MIGHT TURN AGAINST US.

>>83513579
>>83514572
Are you honestly pretending 99% of discussions on climate change don't devolve into
>Yeah, well, scientists are a lot smarter than you or me so I don't really care if I can't elucidate a coherent argument. Most scientists believe it and that's good enough for me.

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>>83513473
>salon

>>83513473
>the right wing ideal that elites need to save us
what

WHAT

WHAT THE FUCK AM I READING? that's literally the opposite. that's literally what they fucking believe. all libtards need to hang. no exception

>>83513473
I can't read the article, and I guess that plenty is bullshit just because it's Salon, but the title and subtitle are spot on.

>>83513473
OP, we had this stupid fucking argument back in the 1950's when people went after Superman for being a fascist!!!FACT!!!

>>83513473
>we need elites to save us

thats not a right-wing idea at all.

>>83514572
>You're a fucking idiot.
>muh climate
>muh margarined groups
>muh equity
>muh dreamers act
>muh gimmigrants
>muh ID laws

Sure pal.

>Bullshit. That's the sheerest hyperbole.
>Obama gets in
>gets Nobel Peace prize for existing
>proceeds to destroy two sovereign countries
>ruins north Afrika as a result
>breaks all records in drone war where 90% of the victims were not intended targets
>leftist cocksuckers are giving him standing applause

You are deluded monkey.

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>>83514546
https://www.google.com/amp/www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/06/01/judicial-watch-obtains-new-classified-clinton-emails.amp.html

Clinton foundation found doing political favors for a dirty RUSSIAN bank.
Is there anything with you people that isn't pure projection?

>>83517829
You realize that Obama was still rightwing, right? The left didn't exist in Murica for decades and only came back with a centrist like Sanders.

>>83517980
Nice source.

>>83517382
A strong leader is pretty damn rightwing. Be it the pope, the monarch, the Führer, that fat cheeto or simply a strong daddy figure at home.

Though yeah, the old left loved it too.

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>>83513473
you bet it is goy.

>>83518057
>Sanders
>centrist

Makes me want to personally slaughter every commie in the world

>>83517382
Depends really.
If you consider "right wing" to be libertarianism, small government, individualism (as I consider it to be), then yes elitism isn't a right wing idea at all.
But in continental Europe, "right wing" typically means 'anything even remotely resembling fascism' i.e. nationalist and slightly collectivist (although these people would rarely admit that, they think of themselves as a "third way", different from both socialism and capitalism.
So in the European sense of "right wing", which sees to overlap to a significant degree with the American MSM's interpretation of right wing, elitism is certainly a right wing idea. A lot of the (pre-)fascist writers expressed the typical anti-democratic idea that the sheep like masses should be led by strong leaders who know what's best for the nation.
Examples:
Jose Ortega Y Gasset, Réné Guenon, Anthony Ludovici

>>83518163
no...no its not.

All your examples hardly qualify as prototypical "right" either.

conservatism is about a strong society, family and individual responsibility first. Nothing of this lends itself to a centralisation of power by default.

its a much shorter road with leftism which denies personal responsibility wherever possible and works towards a strong state first and foremost. This makes individuals dependent and easy to control.

>>83518335
Because you're an idiot with no understanding of politics. Doesn't change anything about Sanders though.

>>83515064
t.tumblr

capeshit is the worst

>>83518351
>If you consider "right wing" to be libertarianism,
But it's not. Libertarianism can be left or right wing. Something like the tea party is right wing libertarianism.

Traditionally right wing is about conservatism focusing on preserving old values. The political compass thingie with 4 sides shows it pretty well and simple.

> continental Europe, "right wing" typically means 'anything even remotely resembling fascism
Like Merkel or Tories?

>>83513473
>Stop liking what I don't like

>>83513858
this

>>83514357
This. Except that they don't glorify the State.

Superheroes are more anarchist than anything else. They work outside the law.

>>83518335
sanders is socialist. How in the world isn't that leftist?

>>83519172
>They work outside the law.
To support it. You don't see Batman or Ironman fighting against the state or using their money and know how to better the life of the people in noticeable ways.

They are basically rich guys with a hobby to dress up and beat up people.

>>83513473

At least marxists finally admit it. They don’t believe in heroes. Marxists don’t believe in heroism. Instead of creating original characters, they can only steal and subvert others. Heroes are strong, fearless, determined and have the force of will to get their hands bloody to do what needs to be done. They are the complete opposite of everything that marxists stand for. And the marxists know it.

Marxism and heroism don’t mix. The closest thing to an original superhero they have is Billy Pilgrim from Slaughterhouse Five. His superpower is that he can travel through time. Cool. What does he do? He mopes around and parrots "and so it goes", for the rest of his boring, useless life. Even with time traveling superpowers, marxists are still depressed losers.

>>83513473
Democracy is not the right word. Now SUPERhero films you could argue are bad for culture though. However, the concept of the hero's journey and the mythology behind it I think is good for culture. Just not this super powers crap. You can still have heroes without it.

>>83515594
>In weeb mangas they work relentlessly to achieve what they want

lol no, they are all special ones chosen by birth and shit. they just have to do a lot of push-ups first.

>>83513473
That makes zero sense, at least for DC. DC is all about everyone contributing to society according to his means; that isnt Right Wing at all.

Now with Marvel you have a point. Marvel is basically a libertarian fantasy.

So this article is just repeating shit Bill Maher said weeks ago?

>>83513597
You people literally have shrines to Trump in your houses.

>>83513473
hahahha...great shop OP...
Like how retarded would be if that article actually existed...
This can't be real...
Pls tell me this is not real...

>>83516512
Why are you listing all those failures and has-beens?

>>83519806
>everyone contributing to society according to his means
>Supes stalks his gf and roleplays as reporter instead of doing good deeds around the world
>Batman wastes BILLIONS to beat up couple thugs instead of spending the money to finance a campaign for tax reform or do something against corruption

WW seemed a bit better about it but I haven't seen it yet.

>The American left has a leadership void right now, so anything presenting strong leaders is fascist.

>>83520073
Oh, I forgot about SS. It's actually a decent example of how fucked up the authorities are. Just nothing is done against it and Waller walks.

>>83520073
>Supes stalks his gf and roleplays as reporter instead of doing good deeds around the world
He does both because he is Superman
>Batman wastes BILLIONS to beat up couple thugs instead of spending the money to finance a campaign for tax reform or do something against corruption
He literally gets called out by people that know who he is all the time.

>>83513473
>BvS is Trump
>SS is Trump
>now Wonder Woman is Trump
What's their agenda?

>>83520195
>He does both
Obviously not too well given the crime in Gotham or the war in Kekistan. Besides, the reporter shit is a waste of time.

>He literally gets called out by people that know who he is all the time.
So? What good did he achieve with his crazy resources?

>>83520382
He gets told off Gotham by Batman because Batman is the biggest villian of all.
Also in Kekistan he supports the anti-Israel forces, thats why he doesn't mess with that shit.

>>83514112

Its ok. He called himself a house nigger on TV last night.

>>83520522
>He gets told off Gotham by Batman
>letting some faggot who dresses up as a bat tell you what to do

And why does Israel even still exist? He could've BTFO every regime in half a day.

>>83520625
Superman is seen as 'Murrikan so he can't get involved in political issues around the world, and yeah wars are political issues.
About Batman...its because Batman always sells comics, thats also the reason why The Joker is alive and not killed by one of the many cops that have to get him to Arkham everytime Batman fucks him up.

>>83514572
>Bullshit. That's the sheerest hyperbole.

Shut the fuck up. They gave him a goddamn Nobel prize for being a nigger. Leftists worship Obongo.

>this movie represents my ideology
>no, this movie represents my ideology
>yes it does represent your ideology and explains why it is evil

This will never end