"Perfect Organism"

>>83506288

>perfect organism

I'm so sick and tired of this fucking meme. In what way is an animal that can kill shit be considered 'perfect'? We have evolved beyond basic animal instincts. Humans aren't the greatest, but we're fucking better than some stupid dumb hurr durr killing machine. Autism, not even once.

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>>83506288

>can only reproduce in the company of a species with a functioning oriface

LITERALLY PERFECT

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>>83506288
>>83506412


Pretty much as bad as the whole "Hedgehog: The Ultimate Lifeform". They're both just edge machines, what the fuck was he thinking.

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>>83506288
Wtf no, it depends on what stories you read, but in the Xenoverse, Xeno's caused 2 out of the 4 Great Human Apocalypses. (Engineers and an Information Virus being the other 2)

They killed 99.9% of humans on Earth. Present day humans in the Xenoverse have literally evolved through naturally selection to survive Xenos. Thats how fucking deadly they are.

humans in the movies only stand a chance because the Xenos are in closed quarters with the only lifeforms available being other humans. Once they reach a planet teeming with life, its fucking over.

>>83506548
That's supergay

>>83506548
Except for the fact that Predators hunt them for sport and consider Xenos to be far less of a threat than humans. They use Xenos as an intitation for their youngest warriors and only the most successful hunters are allowed to go to Earth and hunt humans because it's considered many times more dangerous. Xenos are a joke.

>>83506288

it was perfect because it was supposed to be completely independent of any external need, like food, air, or sex.

Food and air was not needed since it blood worked as acid battery.

Air was not needed aswell, the creature dint need to breath.

And sex was not needed either, since the original concept of the alien give hit the capability to turn its victims in eggs.

>>83506795
They also create massive underground Hives that are resistant to nukes. The Resin a Queen makes disrupts all types of electromagnetic / radio waves so modern imagining and radar is mostly useless in a nest.

Aliens under command of a Queen are extremely smart. Once a Queen sets up her territory she will start mounting offensives / raiding parties to gather more warm bodies to infect.

There is basically nothing on Earth that can stop an Alien Raiding Party. They come at you from all sides save the air. No amount of reinforced steel / concrete will keep them out....

>>83506548
I miss the old days when it was just a scary thing on a spaceship

Also sauce on that pic?

>>83507044
That's such hilarious bullshit. They're big bugs. Station a few hundred soldiers in an area that is completely open and you can cut as many down as they throw at you. The only advantage the aliens have in the movies is the fact their prey is stuck in tight, confined areas with them. Put them on a planet where they can be bombed and their dumb stealth tactics don't work and they can't do shit

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>>83506288

The Xenomorph is not even their final form.

They are supposed to evolve into much larger and intelligent creatures that are far more civilized than humans. We are insects to them.

One of the original concepts of Giger was a weird organic-looking pyramid. It was never made and Scott was upset he wasn't able to include it.

But the pyramid is not a building, it's an Alien that has evolved to take such form. The ships are probably made the same way.

>>83506962
>completely independent of any external need, like food, air, or sex.

but it needs humans to reproduce

>>83506930
>Predators hunt them for sport

Alien v Predator is not canon.

>>83506930
>Predators
>Canon

>Perfect organism
>how many were btfo in aliens

Only point they seemed threatening was aliens vs predator pyramid scene flashback

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>>83507230
Alien vs Predator has been canon since the 90s m8. They've always existed in the same universe

>>83506548

FINISHFINISHFINSH

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>>83507141
>Put them on a planet where they can be bombed

What if the Aliens can create spaceships too?

>>83507281

Kys pleb.

>>83507165
>Alien has evolved into Snorlax!

No thanks

>>83507281
At best it was a fun little idea that became a meme. Predators have never been referenced in the Alien movies, and Alien: Covenant contradicts the AvP movies directly.

>>83506930
Uhh lol, no, Usually when a Pred comes to earth its because they've found an exceptionally Dangerous group of humans / human. Maybe 1 in 50,000,000 humans will a Pred seriously consider dangerous.

But besides that they hardly even acknowledge humans. In half of the AvP stories where humans get involved its because Humans stumbled upon a Planet Preds had seeded with Aliens for the Hunt.

Preds let their kids hunt Aliens because they're a fucking brutal, tribalistic warrior society who've existed in their ways for 20,000+ years. By the way ALOT of Preds never survive long enough to become a member of the tribe because they die trying to get their first Alien kill.

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>In this moment I am euphoric enlightened by my own perfection

>>83506412
>>83506522
It's a perfect organism because it's hard as shit to kill and it evolves and learns in real time.
>hurr but we have guns
Yeah, only took several billion years of evolution to get there, good job humans

>>83507141
They can't be bombed because they burrow underground / make underground tunnel networks. Xenos travel through ground and rock like a fish through water.

Yeah you can put yourself in an Starship Trooper style Defensive Stand. But if the Aliens couldn't overwhelm you at night they'd just dig the whole structure from out under your feet.

they're fucking assholes

>>83507424
crows are hard to kill and learn in real time are they better than humans too?

>>83507424
Humans haven't existed for billions of years you dumb idiot.

>>83507489
why does this sound like warhammer 40k fanfic

>>83507532
>tfw the Alien is just a Tyranid ripoff

>>83507500
Yes.

>>83507199
yes, they are like viruses, there is no true metabolism, they are like organic robots, viruses are almost perfect in the sense that are very difficult to destroy or fight against.

This is its kind of "perfection", humans,a s conventional biologic organism are vulnerable on external factors.

Xenos arent, they just turn human in eggs, waiting for another infection cycle, meant to destroy all other biologic organism, but once all humans are destroyed, their eggs will remain there...waiting for another biologic organism to appear and get infected.

This is what happened to the space jockers, they got infected and went extincted, the xeno eggs were waiting there, humans appeared, got infected and the mess started.

Everything was ok, until the sucker of Cameron appeared and turned the concept into "lol, zerg rush!"

And then the fucker Ridley reappeared and wanted to turn this simple idea, into "lol the meaning of life!"

Also...Jesus.

>>83507094
Aliens vs. Predator: Deadliest of the Species

Some of Claremont's best work.

>>83506502
Just like humans, eh?

>>83507550
Xenos couldnt even kill crows so doesn't that make them the double perfect organism?

>takes a queen that needs to lay massive ass vulnurable egg and wait till it gets bigger than a toddler (by eating what exactly?) and facehugger pops out of it and facehugger finds something decent to suck on to and then chestbuster should find something to eat
Xenos really are a joke when you put it that way, a xeno wouldn't make it in a forest. Even if it did, it'd be doomed to die of aging without a queen.

>>83507576
>Claremont
Oh boy. How much forced transformation and lesbians does it have?

>>83507575
>blah blah blah perfect
>gets toasted by a flamethrower

>>83507532
well, were talking about stuff released in the late 80s early 90s so maybe it is

>>83507604
Yes, Socrates, that can be assumed.

>>83507610
Really, what is the deal with the chestbuster being this tiny little cute thing when it pops out, then it runs off into the ventilation, and a few hours later it's a 10' tall killing machine?

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>destroys an entire population of engineers as a floating killer cloud
>"evolves" into a clunky xenomorph who can only jump around and rape people in bathrooms

>>83507639
>gets toasted by a flamethrower

After that toast turned 100 people of your team into eggs.

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>>83507628
Better to ask what fetish DIDN'T he manage to include. But as far as Aliens go, the concepts were fucking made for his fetishes

>>83507700

The cloud needs to be transported around.

>>83507165
>the aliens are part of the reproductive cycle of the ships

>>83507712
>flamethrower egg

>>83507610
>>83506288
Why is your definition of perfection so dependable on the comlpexity of it's reproduction cycle?
The perfect organism would be the one that has the most potential to become the dominant species in any given ecosystem. If you deploy 7 billion grown xenomorphs on planet Earth, humanity is fucked. Aliens also survive any harsh conditions including near absolute zero space, people freak out because of muh global warming.

>>83507764
Aliens are basically giant batteries so it makes sense.

>>83507424
> evolved
> guns

> guns evolved from monkeys
> now monkeys use guns

>>83507818
Guns evolved from bows, idiot

>>83507798
you could deploy 7 billion ebolas for each xenomorph though

>>83507846
> evolved
> guns and bows

> bows evolved from rock
> rock bows
> bush did 5/7 confirmed

>>83506288
Let's be fair here, The Thing is way more of a threat despite being physically weaker.
Also, if the characters in The Thing were in the Alien movie the film wpuld last about 30 minutes since they weren't retarded. The only arguably dumb thing they did was not putting the dog in the kennel immediately.

not going to trawl through this autistic thread to see if someone else has posted the obvious answer. any more posts like op and fp are going to give me an aneurysm.

it is the perfect organism because it cannot be stopped. it is perfect at advancing it's genetics to the next generations and winning the survival of the fittest. OP literally retarded kys.

>>83507925
if it was smart enough to invent tools or at least use guns it would be better, therefore it is not perfect

>>83506548
>>83507044

Not canon

>>83507893

Well it's the same concept, throwing a solid object at high speed to pierce something else.

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>>83507986
>implying that matters

>>83506288
It can survive in the vacuum of space.

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>>83507972

The Xeno is intelligent, way more intelligent than a dog or a monkey.

But it's just in a larval state. Give it more time and it will develop space travel.

>>83508023

Ok, I'll make a comic about how Aliens just want ice cream and they're misunderstood, and use it as evidence :^)

>>83507918
The Thing and Aliens are almost equal threats really. Both of them would utterly wipe out humanity if unleashed on Earth.

The Thing would just be quieter about it.

>>83506962
>Air was not needed aswell, the creature dint need to breath.
Didn't the one in the first movie die because of the lack of air?

>>83508094

Did it die?

>>83508076
replace Ice Cream with Cigar and they've already done that.

>>83507856
I think it's safe to assume that xenomorphs do not get sick, or age. They blood is acid, good luck ebola-chan

>>83508194
That was a robot made to study a hive not a real Xeno

>>83508058
Dogs know how to work with humans. Xenos literally just attack anything that isn't them.

>>83506548
>When a comic book has gone on wayyyyy too long.

>>83508481

Yeah because they are nothing to them but food.

The whole reason for the setting on the space ship was to make shooting the thing impossible because the acid would eat down through the decks due to artificial gravity, presumably penetrating the hull for anything other than a little squirt.

It's the same logic used much more stupidly in Pacific Rim as to why you can't just shoot them.

On a planet this would not be a problem.

>>83508652
Pacific rim established that there is nothing powerful enough to shoot the Kaijus with
>On a planet this would not be a problem.
That depends on what effect the acid blood will have on water

>>83508652
Always thought it was weird how little that was used, xenos kinda seemed like they could have been ship to ship weapons to me when I saw alien/aliens

>>83508751
Nigga where are they going to be shooting xenomorphs that the acidic blood's effect on water would even need to be taken into account?

>>83508604
Except they don't even seem to need food. They just grow rapidly and attack. Now and then we'll see them feed but a lot of times they just kill and leave the bodies mostly intact.

>>83508751
>Pacific rim established that there is nothing powerful enough to shoot the Kaijus with

You mean except for those missiles on the Striker Eureka? Seems like any missile with a sufficient enough yield would do more damage than a robo punch.

>>83508751
>Pacific rim established that there is nothing powerful enough to shoot the Kaijus with
>A rocket-elbow punch or a giant saw is thousands of times less energetic than a missile or bomb.
>moab, gone
>bunker buster that can punch through 30 feet of reinforced concrete, gone (bye, Godzilla, while you're at it.)

At the time, people were screeching the green blood was so toxic it poisoned the land for years and years, so you couldn't break them open on the land. I don't recall that from the movie, and they forgot about it by the end anyway as the one guy was crawling around through the goop inside one.

>>83508822

They probably use the organic material in order to further their own development.

>>83508858
Missiles aren't the same as shooting

>>83508951
If they do, we don't really see it. The one in Covenant for example went from burster to basketball player in what seemed like minutes. Hour at most.

>>83508972
>shooting missiles works
>shooting lasers works

I guess the only way your argument makes sense is if you limit your definition of shooting specifically to small arms fire.

In order for facehuggers to sacrifice themselves in order to impregnate another being, there must be some sort of incentive and drive within them. Do you think impregnating gives them an orgasm so intense it's worth dying for?

>>83507165
This is such a fantastic concept. It isn't too late - like they could still make this a thing. It'd be amazing to have David learn the creation he's so proud of is essentially an autistic, busted ass bastardization of the Engineer's private yacht kit.

>>83509044
Exactly. Artillery with non-exploding shells would do it, too, as they're just giant guns.

For that matter, I find it hard to believe 100 soldiers with machine guns wouldn't irritate it sufficiently over a short period of time to drive it away from pain.

Nah, best to not give any reason at all or leave it as a mystery ("You KNOW why we can't kill them on land!" and leave it at that, would have worked brilliantly.)

>>83509054
This is not a problem for a life stage of an animal. A caterpillar shrugs off a big chunk of its body, including all but the first six real legs.

Insect colonies have fighters that go off and die. They have workers. None of these reproduce. Only the new queen and a handful of lucky drones.

This is where the "selfish gene" breaks down because the gene is shared among many and if it tells one "arm" to go kill itself, the organism is sacrificed but the gene is made safer for the next generation.

In short, that's the facehugger's job from the gene's point of view.


And now, your moment of zen every biology student encounters: A human is just your DNA's way of making more DNA. The organism doesn't matter and is unimportant except as for that issue.

Boy, I'll bet that offends religion. Even in the most metaphorically abstract sense, humans aren't the center of anything.

>>83508999

I mean that they don't need it to grow, just to evolve and learn. The DNA material might be useful to them. Also they can create eggs with corpses.

>>83509297
Didn't consider that, thanks.

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>>83509297

The ants must feel extreme pleasure when going to fight against the enemies of the hive.

Energy is eternal delight.

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>>83509056

In one of the Prometheus comics the Alien-like creature you see at the end of the movie turns into a giant organic mountain by drinking a bunch of black goo.

>>83509361
Insofar as a little cluster of neurons can be said to experience anything, it would probably be a stripped down version of anger that overrode the also-simple flight fear mechanism. Much more complex animals do this, which is why we call it fight-or-fight.

If you want to call the experience of anger pleasurable, you might have a point -- most emotional motivation is all about reducing stimulation. Scratching an itch feels good, as does sexual activity, a kind of scratching driven by good feeling rather than irritating feeling. When someone made that realization, that motivation is driven by attempting to reduce stimulation, it was incredibly eye opening.

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>mfw aliens are the perfect organism

>>83509380
This sounds like exactly how not to do it but I'd wait to see how it reads before judging fully.

>>83509380
Good god, this scene above all I was certain was CGI.

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>>83509056
>>83507165
>>83509380
>the ships are the actual aliens
>the engineers are just living tools they created from ancient humans for repair and planetside work
>some of them rebelled and created their own civilizations
>the aliens are a version of the ships reproductive system weaponized by rouge engineers

>>83509497

It's a pretty unreal scene.

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>>83509501

I remember reading in some magazine page that in one of the older concepts for Alien the Xenos were supposed to be an early stage of evolution of a more intelligent alien. And that they used the space jockey species as cattle for procreation.

Which sounds similar to the Elder Things in At the Mountains of Madness. In that novel humans explorers enter an ancient necropolis and discover that the Elder Things created humans to keep as pets or food.

And At the Mountains of Madness is clearly a major inspiration for both Prometheus and Covenant. Both movies draw many elements form the novel.

>>83509458

I think it's the other way around, the most basic the emotion, the stronger it is.

>>83506288

THIS IS THE FIRST FEW STEPS YOU MORANS
XENO IS JUST AN APE AT THIS POINT

>>83509380

This scene looked really stupid.

>>83509829

It looked great actually. The music is what makes it weird, and many people just don't get the point of it.

>>83509861

The little baby xeno moving its hands up. It looks so silly.

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>>83509910

It's meant to look cute and adorable, at least from the perspective of David. It raises it's hands, embracing its new life.

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>>83510024

And the way it lifts its hands, it's a reference to Jesus in the cross.

>>83510024

I'd prefer it if it bowed down.

>>83510059
I thought it was more like a baby reaching for its mama, which was disturbing.

>>83510100
>I thought it was more like a baby reaching for its mama, which was disturbing.

It's both things.

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>>83510088

A god doesn't bow.

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>>83506288
I kind of liked how the original Space Jockey seemed to be some kind of biomechanical organism that was fused to its control station. I thought that made for some interesting possibilities on how their species developed and functioned.

If they had to expand on this setting, it might've been interesting for some human explorers to come across a large orbital structure or moon where we could see more of these things either fused to more control stations or silently stalking around and cultivating xeno eggs. There wouldn't even have to be a lot of monsters or jump scares, just humans walking around vast dark halls and tunnels and the Jockeys obliviously doing things beyond our logic for reasons we'll never fully understand. What was their relationship with the xenomorphs? Was it symbiotic? Did they create them to be weapons or tools or were they just an experimental life form? Or maybe something else entirely that has no human analogue? Maybe they didn't create them at all.

For me, the way Scott made it so the Jockeys turned out to be "engineers" who looked more like humans instead of giant elephant-like creatures, and even created humans while David was able to decipher their language, fly their ships and even replicate their xenomorph experiments all felt a little too convenient and lacked a lot of the mystery of the original movie. Where before we were just a minor species that happened to stumble on something we shouldn't have, now we're suddenly the star creation of the Space Jockeys/engineers who'd actually been looking for us with very clear but asinine and not particularly interesting or compelling motivations.

Does anyone else feel this way? I understand Ridley wanted to come back to this universe and explore it, but I feel like there was a way to do it without making the everything seem so small, limited and intentional. There's a way to leave audiences with questions without making them frustrated that they didn't get any answers.

>>83507322

But he is right you underage idiot.

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>>83510253

The mystery in Prometheus is not that simple, just took into account the murals inside the chapel, any simple interpretation collapses.

They didn't removed the mystery, they just changed it to something that can be hinted at through the course of several movies, for better or worse.

And Ridley Scott has ideas, but it's the writers the ones that decide how to portray them.

>>83506522
cartoons lol

shut up kid

>>83509380
>inb4 arlenes are earth are virus

Arlenes are beginning and end and beginning.

>>83510269

Kys.

>>83509595
>discover that the Elder Things created humans to keep as pets or food.

I just read this story yesterday and I dom't remenber that part

>>83510253
I almost gagged when this organic design folded around him mechanically like a fucking transformer.

Jfc, how clueless can a movie designer get.

>>83506288
Redpill me on Alien /tv/, what should I read/watch that isn't fanfic headcanon bullshit? I've watched both the first anf the second movies and heard the other two are shit and don't really explore the lore. Everything itt sounds a lot like it came from some kind of knock-off book.

>>83510379

Speed reading is a plague.

>>83510059
That's not Giger is it? It feels less abstract than the stuff I'm used to seeing.

>>83510459
>Redpill me on Alien /tv/

Is a fucking dumb franchise

Also gtfo /pol/

>>83510459

All the films are interesting but only the first two are mandatory.

Prometheus and Covenant are worth watching if you are into mysteries and shit. But nowhere near as good as the first two.

Alien 3 and Resurrection are interesting but are kinda shit.

>According to the movies they're the perfect organism
>according to the comics they're unstoppable
>according to the AVP: Extinction game they're shit house because humans have flame throwers for their tunnels and war machines for the surface while all they can do is kill people but not too hard or the body won't be fit for a chest burster to grow and since most kills are in an unsafe area the alien that kills has to drag the body away leaving itself exposed.
>Even then humans can beat aliens through sheer attrition since they have androids which can't be face hugged
That game opened my eyes to just how contradictory the lethal nature of aliens is with their need to face hug prey and why every alien movie has some retard stick his head in an egg, it's the only way the "perfect organism" can get started. Once humans know aliens are a threat every nest will go the same way it did in Aliens when Ripley torched the eggs.

>>83510567
A:R is better as a proto-Firefly than an Alien movie.

Ryder, Weaver and Perlman saved the movie (and Brad Dourif, of course).

>>83510567
After Aliens, Siggy said she didn't wanna do any more if they made an Aliens vs. Predator movie, which was a comic at that time. Not appear in it, as it was offensive trash and that was a given. Actually not do any Alien movies after it because of that offense.

But in Aliens they "got back" to the Alien roots from Aliens. And in IV she was obviously just completely bought out by that time by a sci-fi channel caliber "film".

>>83510682
I think it's just the viewers who have severe autism. A CHARACTER said they were the perfect organism. That doesn't make it so.

>>83510682

You have nothing against airborne black goo.

>>83510693

Alien 4 had a legit good director. The script was what went wrong.

>>83510693
AVP were novels first, I think. I have an old one lying around (the only one I have) and it's basically some of the plot they took to make the AVP movie with the girl getting the mark and helping a Predo. No pyramid and ancient aliens though.

Fuck. Google tells me the novel was based on older comics. Never mind, I'm just retarded.

>>83510347
It's not really any of their ideas anyway, it was Giger and O'Bannon. And they're dead. All we've since it's fanfiction.

>>83507683
Chestbursters are very calorie dense

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>>83510816
>It's not really any of their ideas anyway, it was Giger and O'Bannon. And they're dead. All we've since it's fanfiction.

I was watching an old documentary on the making of the original Alien and it's great to see the movie evolve from a glorified slasher in space to one of the best films of all time.

But the point is that it wasn't the work of one person, each one of the artists built and modified the ideas of previous artists. Dan O'Bannon script was almost completely re-written too.

And Dan O'Bannon looks hilariously nerdy, especially compared with Giger who looks like a mix between a cult leader and Mr. Plinkett.

>>83510903

But the original ideas were pretty great.

>Dan O'Bannon's Original Alien

>Going back to the early development of Alien, originally was supposed that the Space Jockey was an unfortunate traveler (as in the case of the crew of the Nostromo), who had found a pyramid built by another Alien civilization; intelligent creatures that lived in LV-426 million years ago. In this story, these alien beings have a complicated reproductive cycle; through a complex bloody birth ritual: The alien race had two sexes of their own, but needed a third host animal to reproduce. They would bring in an animal, put it on a plinth with a spore and suddenly the creature we come to know as the facehugger comes out to deposit its seed within the animal. They would lead the inseminated creature to an enclosure where it would await the birth.

http://www.alien-covenant.com/topic/38675

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>>83510752
Grey goo is a much better perfect organism than aliens could ever hope to be.

>>83510967
>O'Bannon's quote (second source):"I saw the inhabitants of the planet as tough and primitive, and with an extremely complicated sexual cycle. Reproduction was very difficult for them and had therefore become central to their religion. And this pyramid was an temple to reproduction. When the astronauts came upon this crumbling structure covered with ugly angular carvings, they begin to realize that they are in the presence of real antiquity.

>They're unable to find an entrance at the base, so they scale the pyramid and discover at the top a flue that goes straight down from the peak. This is where the character Kane sets up his tripod and winch and lowered himself down - way below ground level - to the floor of this chamber. Using his suit lights, he looks around in the darkness and in the middle of the room finds a stone plinth with blood drains in it. all over the walls are alien hieroglyphs.

>Also in there centrally located are these eggs - spores really. So these beings had two sexes of their own, but they needed a third host animal to reproduce. So they'd bring in an animal , put it on a plinth with a spore, and whammo! Then they'd lead the inseminated animal off to an enclosure somewhere to await the birth. But the planetoid was now dead and this civilisation had been gone for a million years. All that remained of it was this pyramid and these spores - which can survive dormant for incredible lengths of time even under the most adverse conditions.

>That's what I originally saw. And since I made it up, naturally I'm going to like it better: but to me that's a lot more sinister sequence of events and a lot more ingenious than blurring the two cultures together."

>>83510995

Grey Goo is overrated. Why would they bother consuming organic matter rather than just using light for energy.

>>83511049
Because that's not a scary sci-fi plot

>>83511049

yeah.. why does organic matter exist at all. dipshit, what created organic matter in the first place?

>>83511015
I like it.

>>83511108
>yeah.. why does organic matter exist at all. dipshit, what created organic matter in the first place?

Either random chance or ancient aliens.

>>83511132
Or God, you heathen.

>>83511049

Energy for what?

>>83511146

God is black slime or a demiurge.

>>83511049
It's not consuming matter for energy, it's using carbon to build what it was told to build as well as build more bots to speed up the processes.

>>83511176

Life are just machines that absorb matter and energy to rebuild themselves constantly.

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>>83511200

What's so great about carbon?

>>83511225
Four valence electrons

>>83511225
Lots of covalent bonds allow it to form the basis of many complex molecules. There's a reason that there's a whole field of chemistry devoted to strings of carbon with bits coming off.

>>83511252
>>83511258

Cannot it just get it from the atmosphere and minerals on earth? Why focus on life?

>>83509501
>rouge engineers
Their skin is rather pale. We haven't seen any red engineers yet.

>>83511209

You think an artificial organism can self replicate on sunlight alone? Are you one of these new age hippies that thinks the pineal gland gives us mystical powers?

>>83506930
>Predators consider Xenos to be far less of a threat than humans.

What are you basing THAT on?

>>83511328
It's a robot that does what it is programmed to do. It takes carbon from whatever it runs into.

>>83506288
The only point of life is to procreate.

>>83506548
Comic canon is so much better than the movie canon.

Xenos aren't flat out murder machines, and are hyper intelligent and actually care for the humans that don't want to fuck them over. They allow them in to the nests and will literally take human mates and produce via sex so the host doesn't die.

>>83511468
>They allow them in to the nests and will literally take human mates and produce via sex so the host doesn't die.

What the fuck is this

>>83511468
>they kill 99% of humanity
>comic shows it standing on a pile of skulls
>not flat out murder machines
I don't believe you.

>>83506412

It's not objectively perfect. But the line is supposed to convey David's god complex.

>>83511468
>tfw no cute xenomorph gf
why even live

>>83511416

Yeah but why would you program it to target life rather than just gather minerals and energy?

>>83511513
Comic canon. There's literally one that goes in to detail on how this lady goes in to the nest and humans and xenos are living side by side, though the humans are more like servants to them. And then she walks in on a massive xeno/human orgy.

>>83511532
There's multiple comics and canons, but in the end most of them show that the Xenos don't give a fuck about killing off all humans, just those that don't want to follow it's plans. To be fair though, most of the humans are cultists and worship the xenos as gods though, so the xenos don't give a shit as long as the humans know their place.

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>>83511468
>They allow them in to the nests and will literally take human mates and produce via sex so the host doesn't die.
How the fuck does that work?

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>>83511590
Xenos adapt. Also, go watch Alien 3, the newborn literally has a massive vaginadick. And Xenofem was supposed to be a thing, too, but was never used. Dem lips.

>O’Bannon envisioned the alien as a leftover of a bygone race, a creature that, despite having two sexes of its own, required a third organism to reproduce. Birth would require sacrifice, the act undertaken at a pyramid structure. The newborn creature is overcome by blood lust, but eventually becomes cultured and intelligent. Thousands of years after the extinction of this race (likely due to their own self-destruction and reaping of their home world) a team of astronauts land on the desolate planetoid after responding to a distress call." "With Giger, the alien, aesthetically, truly became the Alien; O’Bannon’s adaptive organism, a parasitical, sexual being which kills at birth and takes traits such as anthropomorphism (or quadrupedalism) from its host. This, combined with Giger’s sexual aesthetics, resulted in an eight foot tall beast in the shape of a man with a blood lust straight from the Id." ‘If it came out the size of a cat, it could keep changing and growing – and avoid the one bad feature of most great monsters movies: they eventually become repetitive. With this built-in device, it could keep changing shapes and sizes.’ Ron Shusset.

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>>83511589
>There's literally one that goes in to detail on how this lady goes in to the nest and humans and xenos are living side by side, though the humans are more like servants to them. And then she walks in on a massive xeno/human orgy.
I require the name of this comic.

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>>83511589
>massive xeno/human orgy

So that's what happens after Covenant right?

>>83511653
But that was because of the infusion of genetic material from the Ripley clone

>>83507230
Neither are the comics.

>>83511589

Until you actually list some title names I'm calling bullshit on everything you're posting

>>83511668
>>83511691
Go ask /co/, I'm sure they can give the specific issue.

>>83511686
The point is, they take on characteristics of the host. In the comics, that included genitalia.

>>83506288
I really thing Ridley's point was to convey that under certain circumstances, it's time to quit acting like a buffoon, as many horror movies seem to try to get across.

>>83511735
>Go ask /co/, I'm sure they can give the specific issue.

Fuck off, you have all these details but don't know the actual comics they came from? Very fucking convenient

>>83507165
>the aliens evolve into bioships and buildings
Cool, but Half Life's done it now

>>83511750
I'm skeptical as well, so I asked /co/. Let's see what happens.

>>>/co/92937054

>>83506412
Ya, it's stupid. "Perfect organism" would be something simple, like a single celled organism that replicates on mass, can live through extremes, can hibernate for millions of years, and doesn't have pointless emotions to stop it from doing it's thing.

Xenos are far from perfect. In the first movie it basically relied on the stupidity of the humans splitting up and isolating themselves so it could pick them off, and they also didn't have guns. The 2nd movie shows them getting slaughtered on mass by automated turrets, so not very smart. Covenant has them being killed by a gun and being outsmarted.

There is nothing about Xenos that makes them perfect.
>depend on host to reproduce
So stupid.

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>>83510995
>leaving only nanomachines behind

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>>83511813
WELP

>>>/co/92937143
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>>83507424
Humans are the most successful special on the planet because we can adapt, not because we're very good at killing shit.
The Alien would actually be pretty terrible in the long run, since it would exhaust its food supply and die. It has parallels to how highly lethal viruses never last long because their hosts die to quickly to pass them on.

That's why the idea one of the comics introduced, that they were small fry on their home planet, makes more sense from an evolutionary perspective.

Weren't the original Xenos supposed to be a benevolent space faring civilization but during their 20's (or what would be the equivalent of 20's in human years) they go through a phase where they become extremely violent and dangerous or something?

>>83512107
>O'Bannon's original concept for the Alien was that it was a member of an advanced civilization, an idea ultimately dropped in favor of a more simplistic, animalistic take. In his initial vision, the final form of the adult Alien was in fact part of a peaceful, cultured race who first had to pass through a period of adolescence, at which stage they were consumed with ferocious violence and aggression. The creature's incredibly complicated reproductive cycle would form the basis of a religion the species followed, involving the use of sacrificial hosts to breed more young inside ornate, ritualistic pyramids. After birth, the violent adolescent creatures would be tended to by the more docile adults, but when those adults were wiped out by an unknown event, the unborn children were left dormant for thousands or even millions of years, waiting for more hosts to arrive. It would be one of these hyper-aggressive, untended adolescents that would stalk the crew of the Nostromo.

>>83511468
Please tell me there is porn

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>>83506288

What about perfect orgasm?

>>83510517
They didn't though. That's what the penguins were for.

>>83512045
>That's why the idea one of the comics introduced, that they were small fry on their home planet, makes more sense from an evolutionary perspective.

What kind of ridiculous bullshit creature is tops on their home planet?

>>83511813
Kek

Yeah, very hippy, I don't think.

>>83510567
>but muh Assembly Cut

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9YlatOiGnU

So is this part of the lore or...?

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>>83506288
It can grow wheat
Nuff said

One thing I've always wondered is if the Aliens will eat hamburgers. Seems like it would solve a lot of problems.

>>83510253
is this pasta or the /tg/ post i read before? or is it shilling....

i don't know 4chan anymore

>>83507165
>Evolve into pyramid
What's so superior abut this?

>>83511971
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tardigrade

>>83506288
The people who made all the various Alien movies after the first one took Ash's statement and for some reason ran with it as if it was accurate, rather than taking it as the insane rambling of a psychopathic android who was forced by Weyland-Yutani to value the organism above humans, and who seemed like he probably hated humans anyway. I mean for fuck's sake, Ash said you can't kill it... and was proven wrong. Why would you take the other things he said as gospel?

>>83513085
>i don't know 4chan anymore
Lurk more faggot

Also it's pasta, but rather interesting piece of mind nonetheless.

>>83509829
Looked great in the cinema, the rays of light shining on the newborn creation and its weird movements already making it look more sentient than the neomorphs. The music was incredible too.

>>83513085
That's it, I'm sick of this "masterwork /tg/ pasta" bullshit that's been going on in /tv/ right now

>>83513089
>he doesn't want to be a piramid
>2000+10+7

>>83511015
>Reproduction was very difficult for them and had therefore become central to their religion.
Reminds me of something... I can't quite put my finger on it...

>>83511015
>which can survive dormant for incredible lengths of time even under the most adverse conditions.
O'Bannon is channeling Lovecraft there.
http://alienexplorations.blogspot.com/1979/09/dan-obannons-admiration-for-lovecraft.html