spec ops was a shit game

>>83486692
ur mom was a shit lay

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>>83486638
I enjoyed spec ops, but they're those people that act like it's high art and every other shooter before it is a dumb power fantasy, which completely over looks all the shooters that came way before it that had similar themes but delivered in a less in your face way.

>>83486638
I can't say Spec Ops made me feel that way.

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>non-ironically not liking Apocalypse Now

Spec Ops was linear as fuck and you had no choice in the decisions if you wanted to progress

>but you COULD just stop playing the game lmao!

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Spec Ops pretended really hard to be more than just another military shooter where you kill tons of brown people, but at the end of the day, thats basically all it was.
Nice graphics and soundtrack, i'll give it that, but the story was dumb, and the 'dramatic' moments that were meant to make it feel more mature just felt hamfisted.
Cramming a halfassed message about 'morality' in between shooting waves of brown people just doesn't work.
Its still worth a playthrough if you're bored though.

>>83487842
But Prometheus had great atmosphere and Deus Ex Human revolution did not

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>>83486638
Subnormality thread?

>>83486638
Seems like I missed the point of heart of darkness.

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>>83490579
>>83490555
>>83490513
>>83487842
>>83486638

>>83487842
What's the difference between a 'genuinely convincing' and a merely 'convincing' atmosphere?

>>83490579
In both those examples the mediums become slaves to the narrative, true filmic expression is more than just the emulation of theatre. Games have a much harder time being "pure" in their expression as in just something gamey and not an emulation of another medium.

>>83486638
I can't believe someone actually made this image. How edgy do you have to be? Was it a woman who made this? Some of the sentences are like a thing a woman would type on her cellphone.

>>83490748
>edgy
found the faggot from reddit

http://archive.4plebs.org/tv/thread/45127170
We've been having the same discussion for 3 years at this point.

>>83490692
I assume convincing atmosphere means "This game drew you into the universe and made you forget you were playing a game." Pure 100% pseudo-intellectual masturbation.

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>>83490815
Typing all of that shit in red "blood" font is really edgy.

This guy's comics physically hurt to read

>>83490513
what the fuck is going on with that guns n roses metaphor?

>>83490857
>edgy
There's that faggy word again, like some kind of normie Tourette's.

>>83486638
to quote Shakespeare, "Words,words,words"

>>83490919
It's a good word. You're reddit for trying to make it seem like words can't be used. That's what a liberal from reddit would do. Reddit

>>83486692
This. I got all achievements for it since it was easy to but the game itself was very average

>>83487842
Human revoultion dosen't hold a candle to the orignal Deus Ex. Couldn't even finish it.

>>83486638
>Harrison Ford is unrecognizable in glasses
>"I literally only know Harrison Ford from star wars and I'm proud of that"

>>83490977
>It's a good word
No, it's kneejerk word used by Millennial hipsters to describe anything that isn't bland.
>make it seem like words can't be used
nice strawman, you pathetic faggot

>>83491126
>you can't use a word because I don't like it xp
reddit

>>83491084

Pleb

Nice how this thread doesn't have any fucking arguments.

>>83490909
I think what he's saying is that modern video games are too samey or something? Or that video games are trite because they're all FPS? Or that GNR hasn't gone through a ton of changes? It feels like he's missing sentences that would tie the point together, or just shouldn't have mentioned GNR at all. It's sloppy writing regardless
>he attacks the south because southern people are all stubborn asshole racists
Literally the lowest hanging fruit to attack.

>>83486638
>game tries to make you feel like a monster and question all your decisions because of the phosphorus nonsense
>game fails to realize that it utterly fails in making this point because the player doesn't actually have a choice
>12 year olds actually defend this

>>83490513
could someone post that top picture without the text? I don't like that guy's writing, he's being a pussy when he should simply say "video games are for children", which is the truth

>>83491157
>liking Deus Ex's boring pisstained little brother

you're the pleb m8

>>83491317
>xDDDD unatco??? savage. GEP GUN LOL

>>83490513
>>83491301
>Implying one form of entertainment is better in any way than another
A video game can have the same depth as a book and Music can have more meaning than a Movie.
trying to argue which medium is better is a stupid and juvenile thing to do.

>>83491435
A very few people share your infantile opinion. How about you go outside and try and say that to someone?

>>83491337
>B-but maymays!

Human revoultion was so dull everyone forgot about in two months, like every other generic borefest that gets released. The fact people are still making dumb jokes about Deus Ex today just proves it's a classic.

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>>83491145
>>you can't use a word because I don't like it xp
>still making shit up that I never said to score imaginary karma points

>>83491485
Good job refuting my point. And using an Ad Hominem at that.

>>83491435
sure, i'd say video games and movies have far greater potential than the rest, since they include music and books. Still, video games are made for children, and none of them even come close to good films

>>83486638
>heart of darkness
>anti-colonialism

When will this meme end?

>>83491337
>>83491157
Human Revolution is a complete disaster gameplay-wise.

>>83486638
This person clearly hasn't read Heart of Darkness.

>>83490513
Christ, this crap is always written by people who don't play games.
>I'm for more mature because I read and watch films.
You're not mature at all if you have to prove it by tearing down things other people like. Stop inflating your ego.

Spec Ops is fucking retarded, babby's first "war is bad" thing. The gameplay is also absolutely awful and the oh-so emotional choices aren't actual choices at all. It's a bad game.

>>83491195
>>he attacks the south because southern people are all stubborn asshole racists
>Literally the lowest hanging fruit to attack.
Especially considering that isn't as true as people would like to believe these days. But fuck it. Idiots like that artist probably believe everything they hear on TV.

t. a southerner

>>83490238
I don't get you people. A cutscene moment where you can take the moral high road would have utterly broken the theme of the game. It mocks action games that just want you to murder and murder, while drizzling in some moments where your character can make a choice to seem human.
.

>>83486692
Literally Bioshock Infinite tier

>>83490555
Something about this picture made me nauseous

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>>83491950
This. I'm more mature for watching Barney on a routine basis than the people who mock me for doing so automatically.

>>83491621
There are video games made for children and there are video games made for adults. Same as movies.
Also I do believe that some video games are on the same level as Books and Movies, but that is my subjective opinion that I doubt you would agree with.

video game "stories" are 99% pure shit

List of worthwhile video games:

Ico & Shadow Of The Colossus
Deus Ex
Dark Souls
Fallout 1, 2 & New Vegas
Silent Hill 1, 2 & 3
Morrowind
Metal Gear Solid series
Planescape: Torment

Anything else

>>83489988
>they're those people that act like it's high art and every shooter before it is a dumb power fantasy
If there's one thing I despise when discussing something, it's when people bitch about the discussion of the subject, instead of the subject itself. This doesn't only apply to Spec Ops, but to every fucking discussion on this website. You find the fanbase too annoying? Who gives a shit. Talk about the game.

What shooters are you thinking of?

>>83491950
Video games are juvenile.

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>>83491435
>A video game can have the same depth as a book and Music can have more meaning than a Movie

>>83492798
I'm assuming you mean Dark Souls 1, 2 & 3.

Half Life 2, Bioshock, Steel Division, Friday the 13th

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>>83492914
>Implying I am wrong

video games are GAMES. adding some supposedly deep storyline to them makes as much sense as adding a narrative to monopoly or hungry hungry hippos

>>83486692
It's supposed to be shit, retard.
Not surprised someone like you didn't understand the themes.

>>83492996
how old are you, honestly? If you still think video games are equal to literature, movies and tv you need to fucking grow up

>>83493040
He didn't say video games are as mature/depthful as the other mediums, he said they can be.

Video games will ALWAYS be more powerful because they're interactive

>>83491511
What's a better substitute for "edgy" that has the same meaning and connotation?

>>83493040
How are they not? How is Schindler's list or Alien any better than Planescape: Torment or Shadow of the Colossus

>>83493122
Jesus christ this board is pathetic

>>83493122
Those two video games are full of juvenile dialogue that take 10 times longer to deliver a message than a film.
>fantasy and science fiction
lol

>>83493001
This honestly

>>83491435
>>83491571
>>83491950
>>83492353
>>83492996
>>83493122
if someone skinned you alive this board would be a better place

>>83493181
Oh nice point you made there friend!

>>83490169
He's not claiming he didn't like it, lern too reed good.

>>83493081
give a single example

>>83493248
>>83492798

>>83490169
It´s a joke anon. Is your post a joke too?

>>83493230
the simple fact that theres never been a good movie based on a video game sort of confirms that video games arent great for their stories

>>83490169

ITS ALRIGHT, IT'S ALRIGHT!

IT'S ALL BEEN APPROVED!

>>83493296
And there's never been a good game based on a movie, what's your point?

>>83493296
That is because they have never been given to a director of even decent quality.

>>83493348
seriously nigger?
battlefront 2

>>83492798
are you including metal gear rising?

>>83492934
Half-Life 2 is a fucking garbage cinematic shitfest, dude. HL1 and Opposing Force, on the other hand, are masterpieces.
Bioshock is shit. It's an FPS with shitty gunplay. Oh boy!

>>83493268
they're middlebrow at best .. like a nolan film. nothing wrong with them, but they're not high art.

>>83493296
The way movies tell a story is rarely compatible with the way video games tell stories.

Here's a neat video on the way video games are best suited to tell a story with.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvwlt4FqmS0

Also >>83493379

>>83493391
Battlefront is a unbalanced and mechanically bad game. From what I can gather, the only reason it is so liked, is because of the Star Wars IP.

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>>83491435
>>83492914
>>83492996
>>83493040
>>83493122
>>83493181
>>83493230
>>83493296
The objective truth is that A. you're both childishly bad at reasoning and probably both underage, B. *in theory* a medium's maximum potential for delivering meaningful content is determined by the amount of ways in which it can trigger stimuli, making video games the best genre for depth, C. *in practice* because of the way the industry developed and what the market decided it was interested in video games became mostly childish garbage with a couple exceptions and have, so far, been the worst genre for depth, and that D. >>83491485 is not an argument

>>83486638
Harrison Ford was in Apocalypse Now?
https://youtu.be/GjB8z0Bvi14
Damn.

>>83486638
>colonialism is bad

More like africa is a toxic wasteland where dreams come to die.

>>83493517
>*in theory* a medium's maximum potential for delivering meaningful content is determined by the amount of ways in which it can trigger stimuli, making video games the best genre for depth,

BEEP BOOP MUST MAXIMIZE AVENUES OF STIMULATION

this is pure autism

>>83493426
Half Life 2 is the best FPS game Valve have ever produced.
Bioshock is a legit 10/10 RPG.

>>83493205
Some of the best Books ever written have been fantasy and Science fiction.

>>83493597
Half life 1 is better in every conceivable way.

>>83493594
>preferring epic reaction images and sarcastic greentext no-u back-and-forths to actually trying to dissect the argument and come to a reasonable conclusion
Get back on your ADHD meds child.

>>83493603
Wew lad. Go say that on /lit/ you'll get laughed off the board

>>83493689
>>>>>>>>>>>>/reddit/

>>83493722
/lit/ is a board full of faggots so far up their ass that they can't even see that Ulysses is a Pretentious piece of shit. I don't give two shits what they have to say.

>>83493603
Actually none of the best books ever written have been fantasy or science fiction.

>>83486638
A FUCKING CHILDREN'S VIDEO GAME

Everyone who, despite being an "adult", is still so fucking insecure in their choice of entertainment that they automatically dismiss artistic mediums should fucking neck themselves.

No shit literature, music etc are at the top, they've been around for fucking centuries. When writing a book you literally only need a writing implement, while creating a video game requires a fuckhuge team of diverse disciplines. I agree most video games are utter shit, but so is most of everything. For every classic there's about 500 Twilight or other shit. Limiting yourself because of some arbitrary notions of high/lowbrow shit is just sad. It's also hilarous because I GUARANTEE you that most new art forms were dismissed when they were introduced. You think people thought movies were high art when they were introduced? You think TV shows were?

>>83493001
This is the most retarded thing I've read all day - you're saying that the title of the medium excludes it from being profound? I mean really, that's what you're saying, and a similar argument can be applied to fucking everything. Also the fact that you equate artistic merit with a "deep storyline" is pathetic.

>>83493658
Half Life 1 is a shitty platforming game, Half Life 2 turns what's a generic FPS in to the perfect video game.

>>83493836
I never knew someone could have such shit taste

>>83493733
Please control your temper tantruming and try to have an exchange online that doesn't devolve into unresolvable 13 year old /b/ meme-spouting contests like "My face when implying go back 2 reddit, friendo the underage cancer xDD"

>>83493787
>1984 isn't one of the best books ever written

>>83493836
>admitting you are a suggestible retard
admirable

>>83493882
>its a thread gets derailed by one manchild whos obsessed with video games episode >>83493917
its called 1984 you retard

>>83493917
>>83493964
lol

>>83493978
Anthony Burgess you fucking mouth breather

>>83493983
>>83493978
I miss typed. I corrected my mistake.

>>83490555
>dark souls is art
It's a good game sure but not art. Also, mine didn't come with a manual.

>>83493597
Oh boy, I've found a retard. If you think that Bioshock is an RPG then you just haven't played any RPGs —it's that simple. If you want something traditional then I recommend Wizardry 8; it has classic gameplay, but it's also quite modern, so it won't confuse you. And there is literally no other game like it.
System Shock 2, Deus Ex; those two games are FPS/RPGs. Strife is considered a precursor to the hybrid-genre, and, although an RPG it ain't, it's still more 'RPG' than Bioshock.
Bioshock is a shooter, and it has upgrades, and magical abilities. Magical abilities are just additional weapons/tools. Upgrades are meaningless; CoD online has upgrades, and IIRC the Rainbow Six Vegas games have upgrades, F.E.A.R. has health upgrades, the Dark Forces, and the Jedi Knight games have upgrades. So many games have weapon or health or whatever upgrades.

>>83492798
Call me a pleb, but I enjoyed Alien: Isolation

>>83494066
It's the best Alien related media since Alien

>>83494066
pleb

>>83493964
There actually is a 1985 book isn't there? Written by somebody who thought the original was too depressive?
>>83494031
Dark Souls is a work of art, friend. A work of art combined from multiple disiplines such as texturing, coding, writing, art direction, sound effects, music.

>>83492798
Revised Edition:

Shadow of the Colossus
Deus Ex
Dark Souls
Fallout
Silent Hill 2
Morrowind
MGS2

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>>83494111
>There actually is a 1985 book isn't there? Written by somebody who thought the original was too depressive?
Yeah, but it wasn't that good.

>>83494111
it's an Anthony Burgess (Clockwork Orange, The Magus) about an alternate future where Thatcher was never elected and unions and mass immigration brings Great Britain to it's knees. No really, that's what it's about.

>>83492798
System Shock 1
Lots of old school platformers
Grim Fandango
Metroid Prime

I mean, video games don't need to prove themselves to be "deep" in a conventional way through story. Gameplay is what defines the medium, and while it's harder to express when talking about artistic merit, it's ultimately what makes video games worthwhile as a medium - if they just ape after movies, they're alsways going to be behind. I mean frankly, Deus Ex has a fucking retarded plot, but the gameplay is fantastic, and it also combines this with very coherent and interesting themes that underlines the whole game.

>>83494167
>The Magus
shit no, wrong author, but he did CO

>>83491655
It was because you can't take the animal out of the nigger.

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>>83493787
Ahem

>>83494231
Reddit

>>83486638
>It's a neckbeard feels insecure about liking games as a hobby so he needs to put down traditional media and pretend that video games are a heightened form of art episode
wew

>>83494365
>it's a woman comes to 4chan episode and whines
I want to like those but they are just too predictable.

>>83494328
underage b&

>>83494365
There's a full board on this website insecure about liking games. They supress this insecurity by belittling the medium as a form of art.

>>83492103

I never felt bad because I had no idea that were hiding there.

From my standpoint, I simply did not feel morally culpable.

>>83494385
you realize the person who drew the OP image is a female SJW, right?

>>83494446
That was what Walker was feeling too. You are a parallel of him.

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>>83494365
>it's a Manchild Feels like his shitty form of entertainment is better than another persons form of entertainment

>>83492798
Red Dead Redemption
The Mass Effect series

>>83494467
And?

>>83494668
>Mass Effect
The first one, maybe.

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I think Alien Isolation perhaps could have benefited from being a bit shorter. Those mini-games and the "find blowtorch/unlock next area" gameplay got a bit tedious after a while.

But by all means this >>83494098

Does the artist have a shitty attention span or something? If your only take on the March of the Valkyries scene is that it looks cool, that tells me you aren't really paying attention to the movie at all (that scene doesn't even need a lot of analysis to get what is going on).

>>83495190
honestly i don't really get the ride of the valkyries scene myself

was it meant to demonstrate that some vietnam soldiers were degenerates who enjoyed what they were doing?

>>83492798
>dark shit
>metal gear shit
no

>>83495237
The entire point of the scene was to show how bloodthirsty the military can be. There's a difference between killing an enemy because it's necessary and killing an enemy because you get excitement outvof doing it. If you watch the Captain Willard's expression throughout the entire scene you'll see that he is disturbed by how much joy Kilgore is having destroying an entire village.

>>83490617
>>83491655
>>83491892
So what is Heart of Darkness about? I haven't read it.

>>83495537
google Heart of Darkness summary

or read the book like some kind of nerd

>>83495579
I know that I can google it, but I wanted to talk with people in this thread,

>>83491950
It's all completely correct though. I play video games, but they're quite clearly a mindless time sink. Even the best story-focused games don't hold a candle to the best film or literature. They're not even close.

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>>83493122
>Schindler's list or Alien
This explains a lot

>>83492798
Colossus
SH2
Bloodborne
Majoras mask
Ff7

My Top 5

>>83493775
Maybe you should consider the possibility that they actually know far more about literature than you.

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>>83490513
>Transformers, Rap, and Fifty Shades is more mature and beautiful than all the vidya
You have to be mentally retarded to believe this shit

>>83493122
>Schindler's list or Alien
jesus christ

>>83495910
>>83495670
Name some better movies then. My point still stands.

>>83495965
knock yourself out, pleb
http://www.theyshootpictures.com/gf1000_100-1.htm

And no, your point doesn't still stand when you make it clear that you don't actually know anything about film as an art form.

Even the best video game isn't as good as the worst Indiana Jones movie.

>>83494905
2 and 3 were great except for the last 5-10 minutes

Fucking fight me

>>83496161
Agreed

>>83495612
I also think that it's fair to say that there are stronger works of art in other mediums, but vidya is a very young medium. Would you say that Little Nightmares is a mindless time sink? Or Journey? All you do in those games after all is walking around. Artistry is not unobtainable for video games due to the medium itself.

>>83495965

Citizen Kane
The Red Shoes
Persona
The Mirror
Woman in the Dunes
Rules of the Game
Seven Samurai
Badlands
Paris, Texas
2001: A Space Odyssey
Mulholland Drive
8 1/2
Breathless
Blow Up
Sunset Boulevard
The 400 Blows
Tokyo Story
The Third Man

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>>83493835
This guy knows what's up.

>>83494905
>the first one
The first is trash, tho. So is 3, but it's a better game than the first.

Reminder that video games is a children's hobby and the lack of growing out of video games in an adult is a sign of stunted psychological growth and inability to handle adult responsibilities and maturity.

>>83493835
Name 1 (one) time that art by committee produced something great.

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>>83493122
>Schindler's list or Alien

>>83496295
Movies are made by a committee

>>83487842
You can fault Prometheus for alot of things, but lack of a convincing atmosphere isn't one of them.

>>83496295
Almost all art is done by some sort of committee, even in books you have an editor

>>83493835
kek this is the same retarded logic weebs use when trying to posit anime as superior to film

it's pretty simple m8, the best video games that were name dropped ITT (Planescape Torment, Deus Ex, etc) are all clearly inferior to the films and literature they are a derivative of. can you honestly say Planescape's dumbed down lore is comparable to LoTR?

>>83493597
Prey 2017 puts Bioshock to shame in every aspect but story.

>>83495537
>>83495610

it's like 70 pages. read it and form your own opinion. don't ask fucking /tv/ of all places what they think about it

>>83496363
>>83496398
Guess you don't have a single example

>>83496521
What, you want to list almost every single movie?

>>83492798
MGS2 is legitimately one of the best games I've ever played.
Haven't played past MGS, 2 and 5 tho, so can't vouch for any others.

>wahhh it's all opinoins!

It's not though. Video games are to film and literature what punk rock is to Beethoven. It is a simplification of a higher form of art, condensed for the masses and to sell as a product. All the "great" video games people talk about are essentially that, they're inspired heavily by certain books or films but instead of taking a step forward all they do is strip down their creative source and just push mediocrity meant to appeal to an audience that doesn't have the capacity to appreciate anything that doesn't force feed you its ideas.

Take for example the OP's pic, where Spec Ops just reduces the theme and philosophy behind Heart of Darkness down into a single repetitive idea that it keeps drumming over and over throughout the entire game.

>>83496646
>Video games are to film and literature what punk rock is to Beethoven.

Are you seriously implying video games are movies? Are you stupid?

>>83493835
>I GUARANTEE you that most new art forms were dismissed when they were introduced
did you make a thread on /pol/ earlier?

I think what you're trying to say is that video games, as a medium, are comparable to other forms of art. But so far we don't have a single example to demonstrate this. It's possible that in a few decades it'l pick up more of a following from intellectuals, but right now video games are like comic books or toys. The greatest video games in existence can barely compare to a decent book.

>>83496463
Okey, I guess we are not talking about it then...

>>83496646
>imblying
https://youtu.be/eKl6WjfDqYA
Kojima was the only one redpilling the masses at the time MGS2 came out. I didn't understand what this monologue meant until I played it again a few years back. And it's more relevant now than ever with all this media bullshit going on.

>>83496408
Frankly I think it's idiotic to value video games mainly for their storytelling in a traditional sense. It's comparable to valuing a movie, or music solely on the strength of its narrative. Its a unique medium, it has unique strengths.

Honestly, I can with all certainty say that video games will NEVER have a pure narrative that matches say, Gravitys Rainbow, Don Quixote, War and Peace or whatever, because translating such complex works into vidya simply doens't work, or would require such a massive scope and singular vision that it would never be made. But video games have the advantage of gameplay and immersion- that's why video games that have settings that are pretty derivative by literary standards, can still be incredibly engaging since you experience the medium in a completely different way. And it's fascinating, video games have been around for less than HALF a century - that's nothing, nothing at all! I think it's pretty fascinating to see a completely new medium develop.

>>83496994
bait

Comparisons about the narrative aside, I think it's pretty fucking stupid how restrictive video gaming is with consoles

"Oh, you want to play this game? Fuck you! Buy my console to play it!"

>>83493228
Good argument lad

>>83496825
Nah, I don't go to /pol/. And I agree, we don't have a <insert classic book here> yet, and it's going to be a long time until we do. But I see it like this - nobody attacks music for not having an incredible narrative depth, because we understand that we don't have to nessecarily enjoy the medium in that way. But games somehow need to prove themselves with a "narrative". This is a fault of the industry as much as anything else, and most AAA games have mediocre story AND gameplay.

>The greatest video games in existence can barely compare to a decent book.

Based on narrative, absolutely. But take Super Mario Bros. It's pretty old and basic, and it has no narrative to speak of. It is still an incredibly well-made video game, and a great gaming experience. The instant comparison to "BUT WHAT ABOUT LITERATURE" is so silly. I would never hear it about someone listening to, I don't know, whatever music you currently enjoy.

>>83497027
no.
If you haven't played the game, I suggest you watch the video. I'm not saying it'll open your eyes or anything, but at the very least it's some interesting information to chew on.

>>83496646
>video games are to film and literature what punk rock is to sculpting and dance

This is how retarded it is to consider vidya and movies as the same medium, dipshit.

>>83492321
Fucking barneyfag, kill yourself.

>>83492798

GTA IV