Man of Steel

>>83439242
>LET THEM DROWN CLARK
>STOP INVINCIBLE SON
MoS is not bad, it's just meh. Like Thor. But thing is - Superman is top tier character. It's like making bad movie about Batman. Oh, wait...

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>>83439242
Because it was shit.

>>83439270
I really believe the reason he didn't want Clark to help people was because he had a hero complex himself and didn't want his son outshining him. It ultimately cost him his life.

The writing.
The acting.
The shaky cam.
The shitty colour grading Snyder insists on using in all of these movies.
Probably the only redeeming quality was Michael Shannon hamming it up as Zod. Just felt like Snyder said "just read your lines". There was no emotion.
It has some good fight scenes and CGI which ultimately leads to yet another cape flick with third act destruction porn.

>>83439242
Because people got so used to formulaic origin stories that they forgot what the birth of a hero really looks like.

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Honestly the movie is okay but it's just not superman to most people, Superman is Clark Kent and Clark Kent is a kid from Kansas raised by good people who taught him that he should help people because he can. Superman is supposed to be the ideal goodness of the people, he should be better than us.

Snyder made Superman an emo alien with parents who taught him to fuck humanity, also they're not his real parents lmao after all adoptive parents are FAKE so Jor-El is the one who tells him to save people.

>>83439270

Except the film practicallyts you over the head with how this isn't the case. He knew that a child or even teen just wasn't ready to face what he DOES face in BvS. The eyes and voices of the world.

The entire point of his wandering, and then his chat with Jor-El, was that he was finding himself - and finally ready.

>>83439760

This.

>>83439926
I like how we see Clark gradually coming to understand that over the course every appearance. It was never about the world, not to Pa.

>>83439242
Tell that to Zod's snapped neck!

>>83439242
because idiots cant into kino films and film making

Not very many puns and quips, no looking at the camera and winking at the audience. The action was intense and important rather than a jovial scrimmage, troubling to audiences.

>>83439242
>bad

It wasn't imo.

Very underrated

>>83439242
You've already been told hundreds of times. Why do you feel the compulsion to keep asking every day? Shouldn't you be on medicaiton?

>>83439270
Remember, the entire point is to live your life as if you don't have a guardian angel there to save you.

>>83440304
But he did. What the fuck are you on about?

Not really arsed about Superman outside of Lois & Clark's silly campy fun or the Injustice continuity take on it but I really liked MoS' fight scenes, it's the first time I've seen a character as powerful as Supes portrayed as strong as he is. The destruction was really stupid and over the top but the actual hand to hand between the Kryptonians was awesome.

>>83439242
Because it's essentially a remake.

>>83440379
Yes but you can't build a movie worth shit around a fight scene, just like a good sountrack doesn't salvage a crap movie, or a good actor doesn't redeem a bad script. A movie is a whole package, not a collection of semi-related scenes.

>>83440304
Hell yes.

>>83439242
people fear what they don't understand

It was considered bad because people compared it to how marvel saved New York without any major damage while in MoS much of the city and other locations were destroyed.

The krypton prologue. Most people noped out as soon as russel crowe hopped onto a dragon and flew over to find the magic skull. The rest noped out when the punishment for zod and his crew was to be encased in BBC and shot into the soft, yielding maw of the phantom zone.

the attempt at a "superman had shitty parents/childhood" storyline is completely undermined by the fact he still has to be superman, thus, can't actually develop organically. Not to mention it was horribly written and incompetently directed.

They tried nods at the "superman is a dick" maymay, but it wasn't funny, and just made superman seem like a result of the fantasies of a particularly slow permanent teenager (read: zack snyder) and what he'd do if he had superman's powers.

>>83441086
yea its kinda funny how the new york scene was built around a number of characters acting intelligently, and thus, garnered more respect from audiences.

Where the metropolis scene was not just one, but two god-like figures on a conjoined belligerent rampage that results in just about the entire city being destroyed. And the audience is supposed to think superman is admirable.

its okay though because the entire city gets rebuilt in less than 18 months.

>>83441636
Eh the Avengers cast was really just meh and they had total plot armour you really felt no stakes in the whole thing. They fought and didn't even take a hit, there were no consequences and pretty much no damage at all. It was a shitty invasion that was easily stopped by a small group of people.

It makes more sense when two godlike beings absolutely decimate the city in attempt to defeat one another.

Buildings can really be built quickly desu but it's besides the point.

>>83441720
Nice buzzwords.

The biggest problem with the MoS fight is there was no reason to for superman to keep zod in the city.

>>83441880
What would you suggest he does?

>>83441891
play zod away from city?

>>83441966
nigga it ain't easy

>>83439242
>RT says WW is good
>MARVEL BTFO

>RT says MoS is bad
>RT IS PAID BY DISNEY!!!

>>83441995
nothing is easy when you don't try at all

because man of steel is aggressively annoying and fundamentally misunderstands the character of superman

>>83442013
that's good life advice right there.

>>83441720
I'm sure those buildings were all empty, right?
God forbid a superhero movie has superheros saving people, right?

>>83439871
>Superman is Clark Kent from Kansas

Fuck off Byrne you disgusting pedo hack

>>83442102
What are you insinuating?

>>83441880
> I'm gonna make the human you adopted suffer
>There is no point for superman to fight zod in the city
Yeah he leaves zod start rampagin through the city.
Only a Marvel vilain would safely lead the hero to a desert location to avoid casualty
>>83439270
Oh yeah Clark pa surely knew he could whitstand a cyclone, in fact as soon as he knew the baby had power he tested him everyday
Clark was only five when he took a deagle bullet in the head. You know, just to see if he can whitstand it.
it's made pretty clear that superman had no idea of the limit of his power and his pa wouldn't let him risk a tornado
As for not saving people no he just wanted him not to be seen as an alien
I don't know if you realized but they're building a world where superman could go tyrannical
That's exactly why he wanted him to not use his power too son, he knew he could go bad with such power at such a young age. We're not in Marvel where heroes are inanely good it's a little more mature than that
>>83441636
Yeah because superman could totally fight zod without damages.
Beside this was exactly the point to make the public and batman turn againt superman and kick off BvS you stupid monkey
> Reddit spacing
Honestly all of the critique I garnered today where stupid or resulted from people being too stupid to even understand the basic plot of the movie
>>83439871
He will be it's just not a role easy to take on
The movie is essentialy him coming to term with his role wtf man how can you not understand that ?

>>83440379
Man of Steel doesn't really work well as a Superman movie. It does work, however, incredibly well as a substitute Dragonball movie.
This is exactly what a live action DBZ film should look like.

>>83439242
A dark broody hopeless Superman who repeatedly destroys half of whatever place he's trying to save and is too retarded to find an alternative to killing Zod isn't exactly inspiring. Since Superman is supposed to be inspiring, that's a problem. Ultimately Superman is a reflection of what we see as the best qualities of mankind and all Snyder's version does, by extension, is assure that we are miserable brainless creatures with no real potential beyond hitting things with rocks and few redeeming qualities.

>>83439266
>it's like making a bad movie about Batman
Has there ever been a GOOD live action movie about Batman?

>>83440190
I agree with you. I've talked to my friends about other movies, like gone girl or the Revanant and their actual words were 'it was a bit much' the average normie wants a bland quip fest

>>83443269

Batman (1966)
Batman (1989)
Batman Returns
Batman Begins
The Dark Knight

Many years ago i saw a skit on SNL where everyone knew Clark was Superman and they were all making fun of him behind his back for keeping up the charade for so long. I want to see something like that happen for real in one of the new movies. I want to see Clark find out that literally everyone in Smallville knows he's Superman and has known since he first put on his suit and even when Zod was threatening the world with destruction, no one said a word.

>>83441996

This is a capeshit thread, no facts here we please

>>83443225
Get a hold of this pleb
>>83441996
More like
> "Yeah rotten tomatoes suck they only promote shit and give shit score to kino"
> autisticly spam laughingevan.jpg while talking about the RT score of DC vs Marvel for 1 years
> WW get top score on rt tomatoes
> "ROTTEN TOMATOES MEANS NOTHING U DCFAG U SAID IT YOURSELF REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE"

>>83439242
Ideological reasons. The filmic qualities are completely fine, people were just angry that the movie didn't align with their views.

>>83439242
audiences expected superman as an absolute.
MOS gives clark as a regular man (albeit of steel) becoming a superman

its a great 1st act to the superman story

>>83441966
>punch Zod across the country
>he just goes back because he wants to kill the people you care about

or

>fly away from the city to lure Zod away
>he just stays in the city because he wants to kill the people you care about

>>83442053
>misunderstands the character of superman

How can it misunderstand its own character? Oh, are you comparing the MoS Superman with the Superman of previous films and comics? An easy mistake to make, but no, you are wrong.

>>83443632
oh honey, no

>>83441636

The Avengers had less collateral damage because for some very convenient reason the thousands of warrior aliens swarming through the massive portal over New York decided to not actually do anything until one or other of the Avengers got around to killing them. They just flew around, seeing the sights. Times Square, Broadway. Waiting for their appointment to be punched in the face.

>the audience is supposed to think superman is admirable.

No, the movie is not a paean to Superman as others have been.

>>83439242
Because Muh disaster porn, remember the 6 gorillion who died for freesom fries in a 911.

>>83439242
It's probably easier to answer what was good about it.
>A small amount of the music was very good.
>Cavill gave a decent performance. Costner and Shannon were adequate.
>The costume was okay
>A couple of the shorter action moments were cool

Superman has always been one of my favourite characters, let alone comic-book characters, because of the ideals he represents. A scene of Superman in the Justice League cartoon helping down an idiot kid who climbed a telegraph pole and got stuck, or Superman rescuing the cat from the tree for the little girl in the Donner film are infinitely more true to the character than an unnecessary splatter-fest.
Wolverine going apeshit with blood and gore in Logan? Sure. Give Snyder that film, he would've done great with it. Not Superman. After 300 and Watchmen, it's bloody hilarious that WB thought this was the guy to handle it.

The tornado scene in particular reeks of a guy who kinda knows Superman lore but completely misunderstands it. The entire point of Jonathan's death is and has always been to teach Clark that he can't save everybody, no matter how powerful he is. This is why it's generally a heart attack. For all Superman's strength and speed, he cannot save a man from age.
Snyder (and Goyer) decided to make it a tornado. Because tornadoes are cool, and there are tornadoes in Kansas. So we get an impotent Clark screaming as if he's unable to help his dad, when of course he's entirely able to help his dad, while his dad dies satisfied in the knowledge that he's raised his son not to bother helping people, even when there is literally zero risk to himself. It is such a complete fucking fumble of the character of Superman, and the film never recovers from it. It doesn't even TRY to recover, instead dedicating the rest of its runtime to fistfights, one of which lasts literally forty-five minutes.

>>83444532
>audiences expected superman as an absolute.
This pretty much sums it up as succinctly as can be, short of just saying "NOT MUH". Superman has become so much more than a character. His symbol has become a world-wide icon for all of his ideals. You can't play with something so sacred and not expect backlash.

>>83439327
>The shaky cam.
This. The cinematography was so awful I actually got a headache after the first 15 minutes.

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>>83444532
It damn sure is. It takes the old nickname and manages to imbue it with brand new depth and meaning. This man's stood firm against his own people not just because we're his adopted family but because it was the right thing to do, stepped up to be a hero time and time again with no thought to what it costs him personally, and is about to prove he has the moral character to refuse the godhood being offered up to him on a silver platter by mankind. Who could do that?

Only a Man of Steel. He truly is the Superman.

>>83445310
>The tornado scene in particular reeks of a guy who kinda knows Superman lore but completely misunderstands it. The entire point of Jonathan's death is and has always been to teach Clark that he can't save everybody, no matter how powerful he is. This is why it's generally a heart attack. For all Superman's strength and speed, he cannot save a man from age.

Think about that for a moment. That's not really a lesson a man who can hear your heartbeat from a county away would have to learn. He's lived his whole life with that knowledge. They took Pa's death and managed to turn it from being a lesson for his audience and make it a legitimate lesson for him. You do the best you can and you make your choices as if there's no one to face their consequences but yourself.