Wasn't he basically just a communist?

he was an anarcho-communist

>>83436345
You're catching on.

Anarcho something.

He drained the swamp to allow for a natural correction.

He was anarcho-socialist, by definition.

>>83436345
Nah he was basically a big guy.

basically yeah

that's why his bullshit system didn't work

>>83436569
That is a contradiction, by definition.

>>83436345
more like autist
am i rite hehehehehhehe

the only communist I wouldn't throw out of a helicopter

our big guy

>>83436354
A big anarcho-communist.

He was a big guy

>>83436627
for the people of Gotham.

More of Marxist Leninist as opposed to an an-com. Remember that Bane still had a vanguard and ruled via dictatorship.

Anyway, let's keep politics out of /tv/.

If we want to talk about leftist characters, go on /leftypol/

He's a big red.

As an anarcho communist myself that movie made me laugh, Amerifats have a twisted idea of any ideology that isn't financial capitalism. They made bane an anarchist who only cared about making chaos, that's not what anarchism persues

>>83436345
that was all an act. He just wanted to nuke gotham while there was also chaos and every man for himself. No pollitical views involved.

>>83436610
nah, he'd just be shot before being thrown out

>>83436726
Didn't the Soviets got rid of your kind back in the 30s in Catalonia?

>>83436809
Jokes on you, my family scaped from Poland to the new world in the 30s

>>83436726
There needs to be chaos at first, if things are to be equal.
Distribution of wealth in Anarchist societies happens by the people, not the state.

>>83436827
You don't need to kill all adults so the kids grow up in equal conditions

>>83436809
Those weren't Communist. Just Anarchists.

>>83436839
What are you even talking about?
The bomb? That was a deterrent against interference by outside forces.

>>83436885
Just watched the plane scene

Are there mroe people in Gotham than just those in the plane?

>>83436681
>If we want to talk about leftist characters, go on /leftypol/
it's dead

also leftists need to be thrown from helicopters

>>83436726
>As an anarcho communist myself
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

What are you 12 years old?

>>83436345
for you

>>83436617
UUUU

>>83436726
why would you want your living standards to actually go down?

surplus value doesn't even exist, the working class consumes like 99% of all consumer goods

>>83437016
He is mentally, dont be so hard on him

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>>83436726
>As an anarcho communist myself

i really hope you're not serious

>>83437096
Living standards are too high.

>>83437626
For you.

>>83436345
He raise to power trought lefty populism. But his final objective is apolotical anarchism

>>83437626
>Living standards are too high.
typical communist

>>83437976
>high living standards
>typical communist
What means high living standard?

To have many material possessions that you don't need?

Or to get what is your equal share of the work you make?

>>83436681
fuck off nigger go back to your shithole

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>>83436726
Is this what bait looks like?

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Who /ancap/ here?

>>83438390
>anarchy
>rights
anarcho-retards

>>83438139
>To have many material possessions that you don't need?
you don't need food, water and shelter?
You don't need low working hours?

what an idiot

>Or to get what is your equal share of the work you make?
the working class already consumes 99% of all consumer goods.
the labour theory of value is fucking bullshit
kill yourself

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>>83438390
here desu

>>83438390
Why An-Cap is a meme though?

am i still banned?

>>83438547
because it is a meme, you weren't taking it seriously were you?

Threads like this always devolve into political shittflinging so I'll join in. How is it that many of the /pol/tards here hate communism with a passion but adore the Jewish run capitalist state that relies on neo-feudalism to make them slaves of big business. Hypocrites.

>Hurr Durr, I love the capitalist system but I despise the people who benefit most from it

>>83438523
You have misunderstanding it.

You need food, and water, shelter.

You don't need G-Class Mercedes with twice turbina 12 zylinder dual bank V engine, and klimatic kontrols.

The worker of this factory can never achieve this vehicle.
Communisim solve this problem by stopping the vehicle of production, and removing the person who can have a means to buy it.

>the working class already consumes 99% of all consumer goods.
The working class is everyone. But to buy those goods you must be enslaved to debt.
The idea of communism is to make the working class owner of the product, and the means to make manufacture of it.

So when you work something, the share or profit or the product goes to you, not somebody else who then is sell it back to you.

>>83438706
The state is socialist.

>>83438603
I know it is meme buy why?

It is exaggerated in the meme to make it seem stupid.
It is in reality very simple.
I think people having a wrong impression of it.

>>83438547
Because its easy to imagine ridiculous situations happening in that system while none of them would happen in reality.

>>83438804
because ancaps are autistic retards who cant understand the basics of human nature

>>83438717
>You don't need G-Class Mercedes with twice turbina 12 zylinder dual bank V engine, and klimatic kontrols.
what if I want one?
also luxury goods are actually a tiny portion of the entire pool of consumer goods

>The worker of this factory can never achieve this vehicle.
Not every worker is dumb enough to work in a factory. Many "workers" make 6 figure salaries in the western world.

>Communisim solve this problem by stopping the vehicle of production
Yes, communism solves the problem of people eating food by starving and killing them. Works like a charm.

>and removing the person who can have a means to buy it.
This person(the capitalist) increases their living standards. This person only consumes 1% of all consumer goods.
The working class consumes 99% of all consumer goods.
The worker consumes what he produces.

>But to buy those goods you must be enslaved to debt.
What the legitimate fuck are you talking about?
Nobody was talking about debt.
Also our current debt ridden society is entirely the fault of central banks.

>The idea of communism is to make the working class owner of the product
They literally already own and consume 99% of all consumer goods.
What MORE do you want you fucking retard?
Why do you pseudo intellectuals even try to debate with non-communists, your arguments are pathetic.

>and the means to make manufacture of it.
how in the world does the working class owning the means of production increase their living standards.
ALSO
Why would the working class even want to own the MOP, that means they are responsible for maintaining it and making sure it doesn't go to shit.
Please answer this question.

>So when you work something, the share or profit or the product goes to you, not somebody else who then is sell it back to you.
The working class already gets the full product of his labour. The labour theory of value has been debunked ages ago and marxists just constantly whine about it.

why the fuck do you people still exist?

>>83438908
>because ancaps are autistic retards who cant understand the basics of human nature
I'm a minarchist, but no, you're wrong.

Ancaps take into account human nature and have written many books on it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egalitarianism_as_a_Revolt_Against_Nature_and_Other_Essays

It's leftists that deny human nature.

>>83438908
Its literally the other way around,commies like you dont understand the human nature.

>>83438706
>but adore the Jewish run capitalist state that relies on neo-feudalism to make them slaves of big business.
Literally all libertarians and /pol/ hate the current jewish run, central bank dominated state.

>to make them slaves of big business
lmao how is this happening, people are more slaves to governments than anything else

>>83439052
>>83439058
>muh false dichotomy, must be a commie

>>83439105
never said you were a commie but damn you're pretty dumb

I bet you unironically support central banks too

>>83439145
I bet you actually take stefan molyneux seriously

>>83436345
Jeus fucking christ, are you starting to get the movie?

Yes, he talks like a communist, or an anarcho communist, but it's just a ruse. He uses all those leftist idiots in gotham to furfill his evil plans. He manipulates them with his speeches about the rich and the porwerfull.

Ok, at least now you're understanding how brave Nolan was making this movie

>>83439175
>I bet you actually take stefan molyneux seriously
some of his economic things yeah
most of his videos are really long, boring and cringy

he's also fucking retarded on philosophy

anyway, enjoy your support of central banks and your own enslavement

>>83439213
enjoy your strawmen and naive view of reality

>>83436681
>movie with political undertones
>don't discuss that here pls
Could we discuss 12 Angry Men or Traffc?

>>83439181
So what was his endgame.

>>83439225
>enjoy your strawmen
Where's the strawman?
Do you support central banks or do you not?

>and naive view of reality
The irony.

>>83439293
Nolan's or Bane's?

>>83436569
>no state
>the state controls the output of labor
Really wizzles my nizzle

>>83436596
You're retarded, by definition

>>83438390
*Who /retard/ here?

Fixed it for ya

>>83439296
>>and naive view of reality
>The irony.
Are you serious? Your ideology is literally:
>Hey goy you know that government you had that we completely subverted with immigration and bribery, why dont you get rid of that and let us really fuck you in the ass.
Did it really never occur to you that all the intellectuals behind ancap and libertarianism are jewish?

>>83439293
The destruction of decadent Gotham. Raz al-Ghul explains it in Begins and it's confirmed in Rises by Bateman when he says Bane is in the league of shadows. Do you even pay attention?

How do the old school communists in this thread feel about the fact that modern leftists have essentially been trolled into fighting for such important issues as tranny bathroom rights, "cultural apropriation" and the tireless defense of islam, with worker's rights at the bottom of the list?

>>83439371
>>Hey goy you know that government you had that we completely subverted with immigration and bribery, why dont you get rid of that and let us really fuck you in the ass.
when did I say I was an ancap you fucking retard, I want strict immigration controls

also ancaps don't support mass immigration either, they support physical removal,
read hoppe

>Did it really never occur to you that all the intellectuals behind ancap and libertarianism are jewish?
This matters why?
Rothbard hated israel and aligned himself with white nationalists?
>hurr he was only doing it to subvert white people
are you honestly this retarded?

>>83436345
He was nothing but a lapdog for Talia who just wanted to destroy gotham and the best way to incite chaos before the bomb went off is big sweet promises to the masses. The movie is very pro-state.

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>>83436345
Bane?

>>83439422
>also ancaps don't support mass immigration either, they support physical removal,
they dont have any choice in the matter property rights are absolute in your ridiculous ideology, nothing stops anyone from housing 10 million mexicans on their land
>read hoppe
No. From what I understand it's just ancap feudalism, so basically somalia.
>This matters why?
Evolutionary psychology, even if you don't accept the obvious subversive purpose that libertarianism serves it clearly is the best society for jewish ideology.

>>83439036
>The worker consumes what he produces.
He produces it, but does not own it.
He still has to pay for it if he wants to consume it. That is the whole point.

>Not every worker is dumb enough to work in a factory.
Working factory is only dumb if you are waged. If you are working a share of tge product, you are now factory owner.

>Yes, communism solves the problem of people eating food by starving and killing them.
That is not really part of communism.
There is enough food. Hoarding is not communist.

>Works like a charm.
Yes, killing enemies works.

>debate with non-communist
I am not communist. I do not thinking communism can work.
I am only arguing with you the idea behind it.
Even if I do not agreed with it, your understanding of it is still not correct.


>Why would the working class even want to own the MOP, that means they are responsible for maintaining it and making sure it doesn't go to shit.
Why would anyone want to own a the MOP.
Factory run as a coop is a common thing in Europe. It works.
Each worker has equal share of the company and equal vote.
All profit is re-invest in company, or go to dividend.

>nobody was talking about debt
Working class consumers all have debt. You cannot consume without it.

The central bank is not the cause of debt. It is the result of consumer wanting to own what they cannot afford.

I have no debt. But that is by choice and sacrifice.
I have to buy E-Class Merzedis of 1989 with 5 zylinger oil motor instead of 2016. Still have klimatik, but not turbina, and not "respect".

>>83439527
>nothing stops anyone from housing 10 million mexicans on their land

Having to pay for them
Having to house them
Having to feed them
Being boycott by others
etc

>>83439658
What happens if one worker shows up drunk and breaks a machine? Do all employees have to kick in to fix it?

>>83439527
>they dont have any choice in the matter property rights are absolute in your ridiculous ideology, nothing stops anyone from housing 10 million mexicans on their land
holy fuck lol
at least try to understand ancap before criticizing it

the property belongs to the native ethnic community, of course they get a say in who comes into their communities
look up physical removal

>No. From what I understand it's just ancap feudalism
Then you just admit you're horribly uninformed and incredibly clueless.

>feudalism
If it existed, the average person would have extremely high living standards thanks to the mass production

>Evolutionary psychology
Which almost all ancap believe in?
What is your point.

>jewish ideology.
not an argument
just because an ideology was created by a jew how does that make it bad.
answer the question

>>83439694
you realize you are arguing that your society will be better able to prevent "illegal immigration" without a government than with one right? Wouldn't it be logical that corporate interests would have even more power without any government?
>>83439746
not an argument

>>83439658
>He produces it, but does not own it.
Yes. He literally OWNS what he produces.
The end products of the production process are virtually all consumed by the working class.

>He still has to pay for it
AGAIN you fucking idiot
It doesn't matter.
Prices adjust to what people afford from their wages.
Virtually everything produced by the working class is consumed by them.
Even if every single capitalist decided to pay their workers 5 dollars less than they are now. The working class would still be consuming the same amount of goods.

>If you are working a share of tge product
lmao
what about engineers, supervisors, managers, technicians, researchers.
A lot of these people make 6 figure salaries.
You're an idiot.

>There is enough food.
Yes and it's all being consumed by the working class.

>Hoarding is not communist.
Then why did the ussr literally hoard food to starve millions of people?

>Yes, killing enemies works.
Speaking of that, you people are wastes of life and need to be thrown from helicopters.

>Factory run as a coop is a common thing in Europe.
Only a small amount of businesses operate this way. It doesn't mean workers would get higher living standards.

>Working class consumers all have debt.
Not EVERYONE you fucking idiot.

>You cannot consume without it.
BULLSHIT
Before central banks dominated the economy, people used to finance almost everything with their SAVINGS.
A debt economy is not a free market.

>The central bank is not the cause of debt.
lmao yes it is
they literally create debt, that is their job,

before central banks dominated people had SAVINGS

>>83439773
>not an argument
It was.
You just gave up senpai


>Wouldn't it be logical that corporate interests would have even more power without any government?
Not him, but the corporate structure was created by the state. Capitalists would have full responsibility for their firms if they went bankrupt in a free market.

>>83439773
The people actively participate in the decision making and decide the rules and how to enforce them.

Governments of the current system do not want to enforce or remove illegal immigrants even though the people may wish for them to do so.
An anarchist government has to do the will of the people.
If the citizens do not agree with a corporations, they stop supporting it and it goes poof.

>>83439894
>corporate structure was created by the state
Do elaborate.
>the property belongs to the native ethnic community, of course they get a say in who comes into their communities
wait that sounds like a state
>>83439912
>An anarchist government
u wot?

>>83439868

You are getting mad for no reason.

>>83439941
Yes, anarchist and government are not mutually exclusive.

>>83436617
Foryouist

>>83440019
>absence of government and absolute freedom of the individual, regarded as a political ideal.

>>83440051
not him but governance and government are not the same thing

also the first courts, judges and currency appeared LONG before the first states appeared

states formed from both religious cults and conquest

they were never necessary for society

>>83440094
a group of people dictating order is a state

>>83440142
no it's not

also before states there were multiple judges with a variety of rulings and

the market determined which judge you went to

it was polycentric law, not monolithic law

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polycentric_law

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>>83439868
>>83436681

Why anyone would try to reason with a communist is beyond me

If you're a communist in this day and age after what humanity collectively went through during the 20th century, you're either actively malevolent or just a retard

>>83440185
and what entity enforced their rulings?

>>83440227
private security :^)

>>83440364
And when those become a monopoly over a geopgraphical area what are they called? Also nothing could go wrong with for profit police and courts certainly not going to lead to a immediate plutocracy.

>>83440227
The people.

>>83440428
>And when those become a monopoly over a geographical area
Why would that ever happen naturally?

It only happened when the first states formed thanks to everyone believing in a religious cult or a military action which dominated the land.

>Also nothing could go wrong with for profit police and courts
But it actually worked perfectly.
Medieval Ireland, Medieval Iceland and large parts of the american midwest were successful stateless societies.
Ireland lasted the longest until the brits took it over.

>>83440559
so as long as no one is ever violent again everything will be fine?

>>83440618
violent people are quickly dealt with by private security

>>83440618
listen, im not an ancap you faggot, all I know is your retarded strawmen of it are nonsensical and it DID EXIST for hundreds of years in ireland, so the idea that it's theoretically impossible is obviously bullshit

>>83440754
privately secure this

*unzips dick

>>83440754
Private security in the past has a lot of times been a volunteer militia.

>>83440754
I was referring to other nations

>>83440792
https://whistlinginthewind.org/2015/04/02/ancient-ireland-was-not-libertarian/