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WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN: The DCEU 2017-05-31 08:20:30 Post No. 83416072
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WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN: The DCEU 2017-05-31 08:20:30 Post No. 83416072
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In honor of WONDER WOMAN's international release.
Man of Steel (2013)
>Ben Affleck, Darren Aronofsky, Matt Reeves, Duncan Jones and Jonathan Liebesman were approached to direct the movie before Zack Snyder was hired, reportedly in part because he was willing to work with WB's deadlines.
>Early drafts featured an extended sequel of Faora and Nam-Ek destroying Hong Kong to pressure Superman into surrendering to them, which was cut due to budget.
>Early drafts featured Zod being exiled to the Phantom Zone in the final battle, but Snyder and Goyer preferred to have Superman kill him. Nolan objected to the idea, but Snyder persuaded him it was necessary to justify Superman's no-kill code to the audience.
>Early cuts opened with Clark Kent arriving at the Daily Planet, with the plot unfolding through three interlocked sets of flashback sequences, but this was changed after being poorly received by test-audiences.
>Snyder planned to include a post-credits scene featuring a shipment of Kryptonite being delivered to Wayne Manor, but Nolan objected to the idea of overtly teasing a sequel.
>Joe Manganiello, Matthew Goode, Colin O'Donoghue and Armie Hammer auditioned for Superman before Henry Cavill was cast.
>Anne Hathaway, Olivia Wilde, Emmy Rossum, Charlotte Riley, Dianna Agron, Kaya Scodelario, Mary Elizabeth Winstead, Kristen Bell, Lake Bell and Mila Kunis auditioned for Lois Lane before Amy Adams was cast.
>Diane Kruger, Rosamund Pike and Gal Gadot auditioned for Faora before Antje Traue was cast.
>Viggo Mortensen was approached for Zod before Michael Shannon was cast.
>Daniel Day-Lewis, Clive Owen and Sean Penn were approached for Jor-El before Russell Crowe was cast.
>Julia Ormond and Connie Nielsen were approached for Lara before Aylet Zurer was cast.
>Bruce Greenwood, Dennis Quaid and Kurt Russell were approached for Jonathan Kent before Kevin Costner was cast.
>Sela Ward and Elisabeth Shue were approached for Martha Kent before Diane Lane was cast.
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Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
>The movie was originally greenlit as a sequel to MAN OF STEEL featuring Lex Luthor and Metallo.
>Josh Brolin and Ben Affleck were approached for Batman, but both declined. Joe Manganiello, Matthew Goode, Scott Adkins, Max Martini and Richard Armitage auditioned before Affleck reconsidered and brought his contributor Chris Terrio to revise David Goyer's script, which he found disappointing.
>Olga Kurylenko, Elodie Yung and Emily Ratajkowski auditioned for Wonder Woman before Gal Gadot was cast.
>Joaquin Phoenix was offered the role of Lex Luthor, but declined. Matt Damon, Bradley Cooper, Denzel Washington and Bryan Cranston were also considered before Snyder changed his plans for the character.
>Jesse Eisenberg was originally approached to play Jimmy Olsen. Snyder had planned to cast a famous actor and then kill Olsen early in the movie to subvert audience experications, but Eisenberg declined. Snyder felt Eisenberg's disdainful attitude was so powerful he changed the entire script to accomodate for a new interpretation of Luthor that would play to Eisenberg's strengths.
>Batman's Knightmare and Flash's appearance were late additions by Snyder, who believed that the narrative was "too linear" and needed more surreal elements, even though he hadn't quite figured out what they meant.
>Christopher Nolan objected to using Superman's death early into the DCEU, but Snyder persuaded him it was important to the movie.
>The movie's disappointing critical reception and below expectations box office performance prompted Warner to change their plans for the DCEU and scrap Snyder's original vision of a dark and gritty deconstruction of superheroes in favor of more uplifting and adventurous stories.
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Suicide Squad (2016)
>David Ayer pitched the movie to WB and was given one month to write the script ahead of filming.
>Early drafts featured Rick Flag as the main character, but this was changed when Will Smith was cast as Deadshot.
>Early drafts featured King Shark, but the character was deemed too expensive and replaced by Killer Croc.
>Tom Hardy was originally cast as Flag, but dropped out due to scheduling conflicts. Jake Gyllenhall, Luke Evans, Joel Edgerton and Jon Bernthal were approached to replace him before Joel Kinnaman was cast.
>Bernthal and Jai Courtney also auditioned for Deadshot before Will Smith was cast.
>Oprah Winfrey and Octavia Spencer were approached for Amanda Waller before Viola Davis was cast.
>Shia LaBeouf was approached for Lieutenant GQ Edwards before Scott Eastwood was cast. The character's role was severely reduced in rewrites.
>The movie went through massive reshoots to inject more action and humor and was re-edited multiple times by different companies after middling reception by test-audiences and the disappointing critical and commercial performance of BATMAN V SUPERMAN: DAWN OF JUSTICE, leading to numerous scenes being deleted, including most content featuring the Joker.
>The abusive relationship between the Joker and Harley Quinn was scrapped in the reshoots in favor of a more conventional romance to capitalize on the characters's popularity with teenage audiences.
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Wonder Woman (2017)
>Zack Snyder convinced WB to release the movie prior to JUSTICE LEAGUE.
>Michelle MacLaren was originally slated to direct but dropped out due to creative differences. Catherine Hardwicke, Mimi Leder, Karyn Kusama, Julie Taymor and Tricia Brock were also approached before Patty Jenkins was hired.
>WB commissioned two alternative scripts, one set in the Crimean War and one set in World War I, and ultimately chose the latter.
>Jenkins was originally adamant that the movie be set in World War II as per the comics, but was persuaded by Snyder to go for the WWI setting.
>Liam Hemsworth and Alexander Skarsgard were approached for Steve Trevor before Chris Pine was cast.
>Nicole Kidman and Cate Blanchett were approached for Queen Hyppolita before Connie Nielsen was cast.
>Eva Green was reportedly approached for Doctor Poison before Elena Anaya was cast.
>Sean Bean was reportedly approached for Ares before David Thewlis was cast.
>Jason Fuchs' original script was heavily reworked by Geoff Johns and Allan Heimberg after the poor critical and commercial reception to BATMAN V SUPERMAN: DAWN OF JUSTICE.
>The movie originally had a darker ending that was changed in reshoots after poor reception from test-audiences.
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Interesting stuff.
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>>83416136
just fuck my shit up holy shit
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still better than marvel
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So basically Goyer and Snyder made exactly the worst decision at every possible turn
Makes sense.
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>Nolan objected to the idea, but Snyder persuaded him it was necessary to justify Superman's no-kill code to the audience.
How out of touch do you have to be to think Superman's no-kill code needs to be justified? Being Superman alone completely solidifies that.
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does snyder have fucking mind control powers or something? how does he manage to keep persuading people into making awful fucking business choices?
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>>83416093
>scrap Snyder's original vision of a dark and gritty deconstruction of superheroes in favor of more uplifting and adventurous stories.
Fuck, we could've had a cinematic universe of pure kino to rival Nolan
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>>83416867
How stupid are you that you actually believe any of this?
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>>83416929
>executive objects to Snyder's decision
>is offered his hapa daughter to use as fucktoy
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Thank god none of those hacks accepted directing Man of Steel
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>test-audiences
So who are these fucking safe space idiots?
>Cut dark
>Cut Joker
>More jokes
>Muh happy endings
JUST
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>>83416072
>>Ben Affleck, Darren Aronofsky, Matt Reeves, Duncan Jones and Jonathan Liebesman were approached to direct the movie before Zack Snyder was hired, reportedly in part because he was willing to work with WB's deadlines.
mistake numero uno
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>>83416136
>>The abusive relationship between the Joker and Harley Quinn was scrapped in the reshoots in favor of a more conventional romance to capitalize on the characters's popularity with teenage audiences
No wonder spics love this trash
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>>83416136
If it wasn't for Will Smith and WB fuckery, the movie could have been a lot better.
Also a Tom Hardy and Shia LeBeouf teamup would have been GOAT.
Better than Joel Kinnaman and Scott Eastwood.
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>>83416674
>TEST FUCKING AUDIENCES
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>>83416072
>>83416093
Nolan tried, guys
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>>83416093
>Joaquin Phoenix was offered the role of Lex Luthor, but declined. Matt Damon, Bradley Cooper, Denzel Washington and Bryan Cranston were also considered before Snyder changed his plans for the character.
>Jesse Eisenberg was originally approached to play Jimmy Olsen. Snyder had planned to cast a famous actor and then kill Olsen early in the movie to subvert audience experications, but Eisenberg declined. Snyder felt Eisenberg's disdainful attitude was so powerful he changed the entire script to accomodate for a new interpretation of Luthor that would play to Eisenberg's strengths.
HOLY SHIT FUCKING WHY
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>>83417252
Nolan hasn't made anything good outside of memes
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>>83416182
So basically, it was Snyder that made this whole thing happen but critics on RT are still calling for his head despite praising the film.
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>>83416929
Reportedly he's so high-energy that he hypes up some of the people and annoys the other half enough they'll agree to anything so he stops talking.
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>>83417252
Snyder was right. Zod and Superman's death were both appropriate in telling of a new DC Universe that isn't afraid of showing the audiences what paying the ultimate price means.
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>>83416929
Jewish mind control
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>>83417422
Snyder convinced the studio to release it this year but it was Johns and Heimberg that salvaged the story and made it hopeful and fun, which is the main recipient of all the praise so far.
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>>83417477
He's devout Christian you fucking idiot.
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>>83416072
>but Nolan objected to the idea of overtly teasing a sequel.
The fuck?
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>>83417463
Not really. Zod's death didn't do anything that hadn't already been done earlier when Superman destroyed those ships and Superman's death was basically a cop-out to make the world love him after the property damage of MoS created too big an elephant in the room.
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>>83416093
>The movie's disappointing critical reception and below expectations box office performance prompted Warner to change their plans for the DCEU and scrap Snyder's original vision of a dark and gritty deconstruction of superheroes in favor of more uplifting and adventurous stories.
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>>83417582
This same recycled shit you see Marvel fanboys spew.
Zod's death was necessary to see that Superman was in fact of higher virtue than his Kryptonian forefathers.
>You will not kill us yourself, you will not sully your hands
Said a disgusted Zod to the Kryptonian council. It was Superman that was willing to dirty his hands to save mankind, thus setting him up as the true son of Krypton AND Earth.
The last part of your post is you leaking extreme asshurt and isn't even worth a dignified response.
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This was really informative but I still need to know
HOW THE FUCK WAS JESSE FUCKING EISENBERG CAST AS LEX LUTHOR. HOW THE FUCK. HOW THE FUCK.
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>>83417729
I kinda like autism Lex.
I mean everything else is fucked in the DCEU anyways.
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>>83417310
Because Snyder's a fucking auteur
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>>83417310
>Snyder had planned to cast a famous actor and then kill Olsen early in the movie to subvert audience experications
This is why he's our fucking guy and the enemy of fat manchildren who want to see live-action cartoons.
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>>83416929
Nolan: hey this idea is stupid
Snyder: fuk you it needs to happen
Nolan: sure w/e can I make Dunkirk now?
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>Jesse Eisenberg throwing a bit fit is what ultimately lead to BvS being so terrible
I believe it.
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>>83417463
>signs of ressurection in the next few minutes and literally ressurected in the second movie
>ultimate price
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Snyder just devalued death in DCEU. And not just death - Death of Superman! Comics, at least, was decent enough to develop him first and not ressurect right in the next comic.
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>>83417814
Nolan was right about not teasing Batman in MoS but wrong about not killing Zod. It's the moment of birth for Clark Kent into Superman.
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>>83416093
>Denzel Washington was approached for Lex Luthor
Holy shit that would have been GOAT
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>>83417847
Since when was Superman's death ever permanent?
In BvS, atleast it meant a significant change in the coming of Age of Heroes, that Superman's death effectively starts.
Literally too brainlet for BvS.
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>>83417729
Because they were making a Millenial Sociopath Lex instead of your predetermined expectation Lex
Just like they did with Supes and Bats
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>>83416093
>Nolan was nagging the whole time
>it's Eisenbergs fault Luthor is so Shitty
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>>83416093
>hey Eisenberg can you do Jimmy Olsen
>fuk u I can't believe you would even offer me such a shit part
>holy shit I'll give you millions of dollars to play the lead villain
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>>83416093
>>Batman's Knightmare and Flash's appearance were late additions by Snyder, who believed that the narrative was "too linear" and needed more surreal elements, even though he hadn't quite figured out what they meant.
lol
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>>83417924
Can you read, you mong? Superman was dead for years. People felt this death. It affected culture. Edgeman has signis of respawn at the next few minutes of the movie.
Also
>atleast it meant a significant change in the coming of Age of Heroes
>Superman needed an unnecessary suicide to inspire people
>Not his ideals
>Not his beliefs
>Not his actions which saved Earth
Fucking edgykids.
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>>83418180
Can YOU read you fucking mong? I just explained to you exactly why Superman's death is vital aspect of the coming of the age of heroes and the birth of Justice League but you seem to play you're illiterate. A waste of fucking time arguing with a Marvel fanboy.
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>>83416182
>He convinced WB to release it before JL
>He insisted for the WWI setting (even though now, whoever writes a sequel will have to deal with why did she fucked off during WWII)
SNYDER MADE THE MOVIE GUYS!!!!
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ITT : Snyder should stop Persuading
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>>83417790
Yeah, what a brilliant, original idea. Why didn't anybody ever think of doing something like that before?
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>>83418418
Did I say nobody had ever thought of it before, you dumb fuck?
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>>83416929
>Internet enthusiast feels he knows what a "good business decision is".
10/10. Are you one of those that think you're not a millionaire becuase you never had the opportunity?
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>>83418242
You didn't explain shit, faggot. You just said that death of Superman started age of heroes. Which is fucking retarded. DCEU "heroes" were either afraid (only reason they didn't show up) or hated (Marthaman) Superman. And his suicide inspired them. Pathetic.
>m-marlel!
I'd trade lifes of everyone of you, edgykids, for good DCEU movie.
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>>83418466
>This is our guy! He's aping gimmicks that talented directors used 50 years ago with none of the style or substance.
I guess you're right, he is /tv/
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>>83418524
Ok now I know I'm talking to an illiterate retard. Keep playing dumb. It means you're winning the argument by pretending you're retarded. Maybe apply a job at RLM next?
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>>83416072
>>83416093
>it's a "Nolan proves he's smarter than everyone else" movie
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>>83418566
Every director ever is inspired by someone before. I can promise you that the 15 MCU directors combined haven't contributed as much to cinema as Snyder.
Unless you think Community TV episodes are impressive cinema...
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>>83418575
>assblasted after losing the argument
>y-you are just dumb!
Nice one, faggot.
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>>83418566
>MCuck arguing about originality
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>>83418616
Ok I'll give you a final (you). You can have the last reply you desperately seek. Make it count, you sad pathetic fuck.
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>>83416093
>Kurylenko or Ratajkowski could have been Wonder Woman
...does Gadot's uncle own Warner Bros or something?
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>>83418615
Oh, yeah, what an inspiration, copying a little gimmick that has been done dozens of times since Psycho. What a visionary. And if you think Snyder actually contributed anything to cinema, you really need to watch more movies.
Also
>Brings up Marvel
Who the fuck gives a shit, I've only seen Iron Man and Civil War and didn't like either of them.
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>>83418653
>Company wars guy arguing about cinema
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>>83416136
I really want to see a director's/workprint cut of this one day.
Ayer has never made a bad film.
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>>83418824OH MY GODWHAT'S WRONG WITH YOUR FAAAAAAAAAAAACE?
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>>83416093
Wasn't nolan out after MoS? Anyways, would've gone with Olga over Gal
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>>83417847
Death means jack shit in comics, if anything, Zack is just being true to comic books
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>>83417532
Because the future of Batman in movies wasn't decided at the time, you pleb. He was still working on TDKR and they hadn't settled on BVS yet.
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>>83417790
>This is why he's our fucking guy
Considering the outcome and execution, maybe he is our fucking guy. It's a moderately interesting idea that's been done to death, but it ended up being some random unnamed dickhead getting shot in the face with the implication that Superman couldn't be fucked to get involved to save anyone other than the person that did sex stuff with him.
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>>83416929
Doesn't he own of one the companies for visuals? His wife is also a DC higher up.
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>>83416182
>The movie originally had a darker ending that was changed in reshoots after poor reception from test-audiences.
MOTHERFUCKERS
Can't these assholes handle bittersweet endings?
In my opinion WW should have scraped Ares entierly. Just leave Diana with realization that there never was Ares promting humans to fight, just their own shitty nature. THEN her choice to help ti end the war would have been more powerfull.
I
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Can you imagine if Daniel Day-Lewis, world's pickiest actor, had come out of hermitage to play Superman's dad
Mental
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>>83417729
MoS and BvS took a lot of cues from Birthright, in which Lex's origin story is that he's a spazzy autist that nobody likes and that's why he's such a bastard.
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>>83416182
>>83416093
>had a darker ending that was changed in reshoots after poor reception from test-audiences.
>The movie's disappointing critical reception and below expectations box office performance prompted Warner to change their plans for the DCEU and scrap Snyder's original vision of a dark and gritty deconstruction of superheroes in favor of more uplifting and adventurous stories.
FUUUUUUUUUUUUCK!!!! stop messing with my kino you fucking test-audiences!
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>>83419066
He was an exec on Batman v Superman.
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>>83417867
>>83417659
I'm really fucking glad someone else got this. It's hard my brothers, to be surrounded by safe-space man-children Marvel fans that shit on everything they don't understand
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