Hellraise

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>10$ entrance fee
>for a concert
>club
>high end restaurant

Also, these two had sex on the first night, right?

>>83396719
Watch blood lines then read about what it was going to be before the studio got involved.

The others are either laughably bad or psychological thrillers turned into a Hellraiser movie. Watch at your own discretion.

I was always a fan of the first two and decided to subject myself to the others last year. It doesn't get any better. I refuse to watch Revelations.

>>83397378
>Revelations

I looked at the first ten secs then walked away. Found footage films are ass and don't belong in the Hellraiser franchise.

>>83396719
Horror franchises were a big thing in the 80s so of course Hellraiser would become one too.

The only one after the first two that is interesting at all is 5. Still pretty amateurish. What happened was they just recycled failed scripts that originally had nothing to do with Hellraiser and shoehorned Pinhead in. Sad fate since the original is a masterpiece. Sad!

>>83396719

The only good one is 1. Hell on Earth is already firmly treading schlock territory, but it is indeed the only worthwhile sequel

>>83397378
>>83397407
that one looks like hot garbage in a pool of boiling shit.

>>83397500

Oops, I meant Hellbound is the worthwhile sequel. Hellraiser II, not III

>>83397509
The thing that pisses me off in general is when a movie has "revelations" but nothing is "revealed" that we don't already know about.

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>that one Hellraiser in which the way to counteract the cube is locking Pinhead on a spaceship that's engineered to be an anti-cube device which locks the cenobites

Literally the _____...In Space! meme

Absolutely nothing is added from them being on space. Nothing fun is done with the setting

>>83397672
Bloodlines.

There was apparently another finished version of that movie, starting at the past then working its way to the future. But then the studio decided to mess with it, doing reshoots of the future part and a different edit of sequences without the director's knowledge. He only found out at the premier.

>>83397796

Angelique was the only good thing about that movie

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>>83397796
>get dealt with dogshit
>try to clean it up
>your bosses literally spread their ass holes and shit on your clean floor
This shit happened to The Crow 2

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>World Star Cenobite
>Walk Man Cenobite
>Bar Tender Cenobite
They remind me of the Xenomorphs, only sillier.

>>83396874
these two are why I can't totally hate hellraiser III

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I honestly don't get why people like II so much. The only thing good about it was Leviathan. I prefer V over II, even though it was one of the "How can we turn this random script into Hellraiser" ones.

>>83396719
>le scary monsters torture people wooooow so scary!

If you're not a 5 year old this franchise will have zero appeal for you.

>>83396719

V (Inferno) is the only one worth your time beyond the third.

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>>83398509
>watching an escapist media instead of going out and helping your community
Someone get this hothead outta here!

>>83397672
I liked the retarded twin security guards tho.

What is the cenobites deal again? they like inflicting pain for sexual reasons?

>>83399431
Close, they are masochist/sadists who no longer have a clear defined line of pleasure and pain. The configuration is to achieve ultimate pleasure. Unfortunately, it is the cenobite version of pleasure.

>>83399431
So people's thirst for pleasure desensitizes them to normal means so they start delving into darker shit like dominance, bdsm, and cutting. The cenobites are in the extreme where pain becomes the only pleasure and go after anyone who wants to experience their pleasure (pain).
Basically, you want your steak rare but you will get the entire live cow, skinned and pierced.

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>used to read goosebumps as a kid
>read one where the monster is an human anatomical body (without skin) that has come to life.
>nightmares
>watch first hellraiser when older
>see my nightmare visualised.

Hellraiser vs Doomguy when?

>>83400040
Why stop there?

DOOMGUY v EVERY FUCKING THING DEMONIC

>>83396874
You've never gone to a show that's only like $10?

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>>83400040
>>83400157

>mfw Pinhead was suppose to fight Freddy and Jason in hell in the Freddy vs Jason sequel

Wtf, look at the cast for Hellraiser 8 (havent seen it).

Doug bradley (the original pinhead). Henry Cavill (superman). Lance Henriksen (alien). Maybe that one is worth a watch, lol.

I recently saw one on tv where pinhead was played by another actor and holy hell it was terrible. Oh, just checked. It was Hellraiser 9 (revelations).

>>83400472
Hellworld is pure shit. Better than revelations, but still shit despite the cast.

In the end, there were no cenobites, just Lance's character being a douchebag.

Hellraiser, II, III, IV and V are worth watching as there's at least some good elements to each.

Anything after V is not worth watching.

>>83398879
I tried to meme post that but it didn't work out

>>83396719
3 is a masterpiece compared to the ones that come after

>>83396719
Yes they got progressively worse the more the Americans got their grubby mitts on them.

>>83396719
>watching horror movie sequels

>>83402443
>fucking men

I enjoyed the detective ine and the one with the mick from Oz.

>mfw the only reason the latest Hellraiser even got made was to maintain licensing rights
>Doug Bradley had a scheduling conflict and couldn't even be in it so they hired some other guy to be Pinhead
>it looked like a student film
This is why I despise copyright law. Studios shouldn't be able to have licenses in perpetuity without maintaining a certain level of quality. They are literally holding the license hostage knowing full well Clive Barker is super disappointed in what they are doing to the brand and most the movies are just reworked scripts with Hellraiser elements slapped in to keep the rights from reverting back to Clive.

I used to collect all the Cenobite figures...until CD Head.

>>83396965
>psychological thrillers turned into a Hellraiser movie
This. They're almost all unrelated spec scripts that got turned into Hellraiser films. The 5th genuinely isn't bad, though.

Isn't clive barker producing some reboot right now?

Why does this shit always happen to horror movies?

Name me one horror series from the 80's that still has the same quality it did back then

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I can appreciate the vhs sequels on a meta level in that they are like time capsules of the period they were made in, like there's one that's basically Se7en with cenobites, one that's Scream and the like with cenobites, I'm surprised they haven't done a found footage with cenobites yet.

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>>83402775
Aw come on. CD is a swell guy.

CD CENOBITE

>>83400040
Someone link the /tg/ thread...

>Doomguy vs. The Warhammer 40k Universe

Shit was HILARIOUS!

>>83396719
Part one was amazing. Part two was the beginning of pandering to the audience, and the rest is more so while being crapper to make more money with each addition.

>>83396719
Hellraiser III I have a soft spot due to Terry Ferrell.

>>83405542
>Terry Ferrell
She's literally the only reason to watch part 3.

>>83402738
>>83402738
>This is why I despise copyright law.
It is not copyright law - it is licence law, and it was in clive barker's rights when he sold his rights to say it was only X number of films or some sort of quality requirement in sales.

Clive Barker took the cash and signed the dotted line. No one forced him to sign it with those exact requirements.

>>83403863
>, I'm surprised they haven't done a found footage with cenobites yet.
Off to sell the idea to the studios

>>83405567
Paula Marshall was cute too.

>>83405625
Well, yes. Perfect goth girls are always sexy.

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>>83405567
Yep. To be fair, she is close to perfection for me, so I never had the hate to III that most have. I am too aroused to hate it.

>And yes, when it comes between Farrell and De Boer for which is the best Dax, I say yes.

Bloodlines is actually pretty decent.

Also, I remember years ago I bought a Hellraiser III comic book -- it was the movie put into comic book form -- in a UCSD store.

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Once again, the objective Hellraiser power ranking list.

GOD TIER
Hellraiser 1
Hellraiser 2 - Hellbound
Hellraiser 6 - Hellseeker
These three are something of a complete trilogy, telling the story of Kristy and the Cenobites. If you only watch three movies in the series, these should be it.

OKAY TIER
Hellraiser 5 - Inferno
Hellraiser 7 - Deader
Hellraiser 8 - Hellworld
These were originally intended to be other movies but got entered into the Hellraiser genre. They're not BAD movies, they just don't feature the Hellraiser mythos strongly.

SHIT TIER
Hellraiser 3 - Hell on Earth
Hellraiser 4 - Bloodline
Hellraiser 9 - Revelations
The 3rd and 4th movies are what destroyed the franchise and drove them from theater features to D2V releases. They retconned the Cenobites from extradimensional BDSM travelers who were neither good nor evil but exploring the furthest reaches of pleasure and pain to... generic demons bent on world conquest. There was never a good explanation for the tonal shift or lore rape and the franchise to date has never recovered. The 9th was a shameless garbage flick made to retain rights and is only just barely worse than parts 3 and 4. Distinct for being the only one to not have Doug Bradley playing Pinhead.

>>83405829
A lot of people like Hellseeker but I can't stand it. Most of it feels like an Inferno retread.

what's wrong with the third?

>>83405937
That's basically it. Inferno and Hellseeker are the two best of the D2V listings. Hellseeker usually just hedges Inferno out because they got Ashley Laurence to return to the franchise and had some creative input from Clive Barker. As a film, it's not any better than Inferno, it's just the peripherals that push it ahead.

>>83405668
90's fashion was so sexy. Long hair, clean, tightly fitted clean clothing. Wide long camera shots to see their entire bodies/

No quick chop cuts cramped together to be "confusing" - "artistically" to be cheap.

I really do wish the "Saving Private Ryan" war scene shaky cam, quick chops trend had stopped long ago, but here we are nearly 20 years later, and STILL editing software allows filmmakers to jam pack content so tightly that you can't really feel any sense of immersion into the fictional environment.

>>83406001
It's been explained. One of the major flaws is that the Cenobites undergo a major personality transformation. The first two movies are explicit that they're not evil, they're extra-dimensional being exploring pain and pleasure. They also have a bunch of unspoken rules that hint at a greater mythology. Like taking Channard instead of Tiffany since it was his motivation that summoned them. Or the rules that allowed Frank to escape them and assume his brother's identity via his skin.

The third movie throws that out the window and announces that they're literal demons from literal hell. Also, there's no longer ambiguity about what they want. They're evil and they want to destroy or control everything. So Pinhead becomes a mass murderer with the most memetastic cenobites ever put to film.

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>>83406040
can't disagree, would love to have at least something other then the "quick takes"

Also, it most likely a false memory, but I swear the version I saw in the 1990s had a longer sequence when Farrell gets put into the bondage.

>>83396719

Dude, you've got to watch it on bluray, there's an edition of it where the video label fucked up so bad that you can see shit that you're not suppoesd to see, like where special effects end in the middle iof the frame, half-finished sets, etc...

it's fucked up, perfect for MST3K episode

>>83405829
>These were originally intended to be other movies but got entered into the Hellraiser genre
wow wtf
how would they be different?
another demon or what?

Anyone else see the Cenobites as very similar to the God Hand from Berserk?

>>83406223
Which edition, I wish to know.

>>83406256
Who knows? Some screenwriter wrote an outline for a horror film, the Hellraiser guys picked it up and had it rewritten enough to fit the mythos. No telling what was added or removed, or even if there was supernatural elements at all originally.

>>83406304
UK BluRay, was in a fancy collector's edition boxset, never got recalled either AFAIK

>>83406439
Thanks, I will have to check it, as I swore that the verison I saw showed the gag being put on Farrell in the BSDM scene. Will see if that one has that.

That and for giggles.

>>83400472
Katharine Winnick (Vikings) too. Pretty good cast as far as DTV flicks go.

>>83400181
There was also a Freddy vs Jason vs Ash from Evil Dead planned.

>>83406495
All I know is it has R-rated and Unrated cuts, like some other countries. What makes this UK bluray special is really just the massive oversight when doing the video transfer. I just checked and it's by Arrow Films and it got released alongside 1 and 2 in a boxset, not sure if there's a single. Happy hunting

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>>83406263
No wai!

Binged watched like 5 Hellraiser movies the other day, my favorite one was 3 because the lesbians.
Also, I remember being scared shitless of those movies as kid but when I watched It again got a boner specially with 3.

>>83406758
Is this some well known parallel? I just read berserk for the first time a few months ago and never connected the two.

Which came first and which did better?

It's sad how bad the drop in quality is with the third film. They were trying to be more like Freddy at the time I guess.

The first is such a genuinely great horror film. Despite some amateurish elements it's very strong and one of the best of the 80's horror. It rightfully keeps the cenobites mysterious and uses them sparingly, putting the sadistic human characters as the meat of the story.

Two wasn't as good but it knew it couldn't really outdo the first so it expands things a bit more and has some more fun with it.

Three just takes a massive shit on everything and it wasn't even entertaining schlock for me.

Is Hellraiser III the one with the camera guy Cenobite? That one's so bad it's good.

I knew these movies got worse as they went on, but the last one I watched was Bloodline last year and boy was it shitty.

Remember that time Lemmy beat Pinhead at a game of cards?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1M4FG1UXH5w

i hardly remember them except the first one. good practical effects.

>>83397672
>>83397796
>>83397796
>>83397855
>>83400661

I unironically like that movie

>>83407576
I actually prefer the first four to the rest.

The first two felt like boundary pushing, the next two were dumb but gory fun.


The stright to DVD ones felt like wannabe Twillight Zones.

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2 > 1 > 4 > 6 > 5 > 3 > ingrown toenail > 7 > stubbing your ingrown toenail > 8 > getting kicked in the balls > 9

anyone here have the slightest hope for Judgement?

>>83402775

Camerahead is dumber but they are all great.

>>83405829

Hellseeker is horribly directed and poorly acted. It looks like someone's home video. The "chaos" guy from the commercials (Kristy's husband) is just awful in it. It feels like a Lifetime movie with some Hellraiser shit slapped in at the last second. Amateur hour all around.

I don't know how anyone could recommend it outside of "the original girl is back!", which does not merit a viewing. That's like recommending H20 because Jamie Lee Curtis came back.

>>83398462
I liked 5, but 6 did the same exact thing, but worse

>>83406866
I recall the artist saying he was influenced by Hellrasier. I do remember he was worried about Army of Darkness because he came up with Gut's hand first.

As for better? Thats pretty subjective.

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>Hellraiser without Doug Bradley

Fucking hell, I completely understand how Clive Barker is so pissed at what this has become

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>>83409221
>>83402775
Thats a wrap

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>AND WE'LL TEAR YOUR SOUL APART

Is this the single best line in horror?

>>83409144

No Doug Bradley, no dice

It's a series that desperately deserves a reboot with Clive involved rather than shitty scripts having Pinhead thrown at them

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>>83405829
What about the latest one?
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt5476182/

>>83406223
Yeah Arrow Video won't even admit they were in the wrong on that one.

>>83409818
>How you want it cut, pham?

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>>83409818

No fucking way, how do they actually justify different actors playing Pinhead? His origin is pretty set in stone and we haven't really seen anyone else with similar wounds to suggest it's a standard in hell

Also, looking at the link, feels more Silent Hill that Hellraiser, though I guess they are similar

>>83409939
That looks more like Texas Chainsaw concept art

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOFFrDPo9Y4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0W9jZQetuB0

There, now you don't have to be curious about Hellraiser 3, because these there the best scenes.

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>>83409939
actually this is the new Pinhead

>>83410184
That's actually not terrible. Better than the last guy at least. Glasses guy looks decent too.

>>83403863
>tfw surprise henry cavill in your shitty direct to video horror sequel

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>>83410233
and young Katheryn Winnick next to him

>>83410184

It looks like two guys at halloween photobooth, like Seinfeld and Costanza

>>83410546
I am not ashamed I watched that for her.

it was disappointing

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anyone read the comics? It started out really really good but quickly went too insane. They should've kept it simple.

To anybody thats read the books, how are they? I recently got the urge to start reading into the horror genre and would like to know how they are. I'm mainly interested in lorebuilding i.e. where do the Cenobytes come from/their purpose etc. etc.
Ive seen like 2 or 3 of the movies in the past so I know the general gist of it.

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>>83403863
>'m surprised they haven't done a found footage with cenobites yet.
We have such sights to show you!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qv4Ffj_lSY

Does anyone have the cojones to tackle Weaveworld?

I loved the first two, but I haven't seen any other ones. Should I bother?

>>83413131
OP here, i honestly wanted to see the movies for the cenobites designs, but god damn 3 put a bad taste in my mouth.

>>83409939
straight out of dota

>>83413429

The Toymaker story line in Bloodline (Part 4) is way better than this shit. Still not great, but the gore is A1 Sharon

>>83396719
And it only get worse from here.
Get out while you can!

>>83396719
Wait for the remake it gets so much worse

>>83396719
I'm not sure why but basically

>Clive Barker writes and directs the first one
>He lets someone else direct the second, but stays involved
>somehow they both lose the rights to the film series
>studio moves in and makes 3rd movie without them
>studio makes 4th movie without them
>studio makes 5h...

>>83412188
The Hellbount Heart is a short novel, you can read it in like an hour. Hellraiser is almost a verbatim adaptation, some minor changes here and there. Don't expect any answers, though.

Scarlet Gospels does delve a bit into the mythos, but the consensus is that it's not very good. Also requires knowing who Harry D'Amour is, and for that you need to read some of Barker's short fiction.

That said, Clive Barker is bretty gud for getting into horror fiction. Check out his novel The Damnation Game, and more importantly his Books of Blood series. They have some GOAT stories in them.

Did anyone ITT bring up how the Are We Having Fun Yet guy was in part 4?

1 is good because of the story, 2 is good because of the setting and the doctor, 3 is a fun retarded 90s shitfest to put on in the background, and 4 is really fucking bad but forgettable enough that you can rewatch it every 5-10 years because you don't remember just how bad it is.

The rest were forgettable.

>>83415547
>Harry D'Amour

Am I the only one who thinks Lord of Illusions is pretty alright? Plus young Famke...

RIP Dan von Bargen

>>83415547
Thanks much man, will give them a look asap.

>>83396719
You fucked up, should have watched it during your early teens, that's when movies like that work the best.

>>83415488
>studio makes 6th
>studio makes 7th
>studio makes 8th for $300,000 to retain rights, Doug Bradley declines to participate, cue Fat Pinhead
>studio is actually making 9th movie now
nine
nine fucking films
leave the rotting corpse be
please
this is inhuman
this is just evil

>>83415547
Books of Blood are a mixed bag. Some stories good, some stories so and so.

>Several of the stories have been adapted into films, "Rawhead Rex" (1986); "The Forbidden" (filmed in 1992 as Candyman);[1][2] "The Last Illusion" (filmed in 1995 as Lord of Illusions); "The Body Politic" (filmed in 1997 as Quicksilver Highway); "The Midnight Meat Train" (2008); "The Book of Blood" and "On Jerusalem Street (a postscript)" (combined and filmed in 2008 as Book of Blood),[3] and "Dread" (2009). "The Yattering and Jack" was adapted by Barker himself in 1986 for the US series Tales from the Darkside.

Candyman really creeped me out as a kid.
Midnight Meat Train was enjoyable, but the CG blood was a mistake
Dread... I watched, but can't remember much about it.

All those stories are amazing in the book, though. Midnight Meat Train, well, it has no CGI obviously, and the movie left out the Lovecraftian twist at the end.

Clive Barker is definitely still worth the read if you've seen the movies already.

>>83409605
seeing that picture makes me feel physically ill, it seems as if they took the first guy who applied for the role.. or just a random guy on the street
>>83412188
Hellbound Heart is worth the read but it's very short. Scarlet gospels isn't worth the read even though if you're interested in the lore and it's better to stay ignorant, it's starts easy and interesting but it completely falls apart at the ending and there are a lot of penis descriptions through the whole book, starts to get funny after a while. Waste of money
Pinhead fights Lucifer, what the actual fuck Clive Barker

>>83416278

wtf, so it's just a slasher? That's messed up.

The Books of Blood are phenomenal though, great mix of freaky and funny. Also didn't realize just how many were adapted into movies.

I'm torn on Clive Barker. He's written some amazing things and some really terrible things. Scarlet Gospels was so very very bad, like a fanfic.

Weaveworld is apparently getting a TV series which could be neat.

Also

>character spots a demon
>The demon has a huge erection

every. single. time.


>>83415631
I really enjoyed it but I like Supernatural Noir. Not sure why people got annoyed at it being so different from the short. The short story was just silly and wouldn't work filmed.