Mel Gibson's Apocalypto

It was pretty good. People criticised the portrayal of the mayans but I personally think mel did nothing wrong.

The part where the panther rips the dude's face off is one of the most metal things I've ever seen.

>>83383498
Probably in my top 10 all time. Since watching it I've acquired a taste for historical high budget movies with native language spoken but there aren't any other around. For that reason alone it's great.

>>83383560
>TFW Based Mel used an actual Jaguar for those scenes

It's fucking great

>>83383498
Probably about a 7/10. Pretty good movie.

>>83383522
>>83383643
What I really liked about it was how uncompromising it was in its depiction of natives. You rarely if ever see movies of this scale, which really adds to its charm

>>83383694
>ywn be in some god forsaken amazonian jungle with never-before-acted natives as Mel puts a hand on your shoulder and asks you to run away from the jaguar as he gets the camera for the sake of ART

>>83383522
they were literal mayans, doing literal mayan things. Anyone that said otherwise is a retard, all that stuff was historically accurate, simply condensed.

The movie was kino. Pure and simple.

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>>83383694
>>83383919
Absolutely based

>>83383811
Uncompromising? It looked to me like he just made them all out to be bloodthirsty savages. I assume Mayans did lots of other stuff aside from enslaving and killing each other. I think it's a good movie, but there's no way it's an uncompromising portrayal.

>>83383811
>how uncompromising it was in its depiction of natives
Yes, I know it's not completely historically accurate, showing a blend of the classical maya and the late era ones, but this vibe the movie gives off really makes it feel like you're back in time obeserving actual history. The way it's purposefully not easy to relate to this foreign makes it that much better.

>>83383982
>I assume Mayans did lots of other stuff aside from enslaving and killing each other

Yeah they were into astronomy.

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>>83383498
we don't deserve Mel.

>>83383982
They did all that stuff, it was a bad time for them, so they were doing stuff for their gods m8. This was clearly expressed by the fact disease was ravaging the countryside. There are Mayans still alive - almost 2mil of them. That shit really happened.

>>83383982
I mean...if you were part of one of the tribes that got captured and brought in as a sacrifice I think the experience wouldn't be much different. You gotta remember we're watching it from the pov of an outsider here. Plus you did get to see the city and the market and ornate clothes they wore so you did get a feel for the civilization. They also made a point to show the mayans knowledge of the movements of the heavens in the eclipse scene which I liked.

>>83384071
I'm not saying it didn't happen. I'm just saying they did lots of other stuff that wasn't related to murdering each other that isn't really shown.

>>83384134
Yeah I can't imagine why Mel didn't take out a half hour to show them shitting in the woods and building a ziggurat.

>>83384134
Yes, but how would any of that fit into the movie?

>>83384134
You can say this about every movie ever made. TV needs flags so we can see if people are Australian or not.

>>83384070
that qoute is accurate

>>83383811
I just love when the natives are shown as aggressive and actually dangerous, same with The Revenant.

>>83384567
>all wars
They didn't provoke the Punic Wars that's for sure

>>83384702
As far as you know.

>>83383498
It was wasted potential. Mel turned a possible epic into Mayan Rambo. He also went full retard.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=U5pBZKj1VnA
6/10 Flick

>>83383946
>that stuff was historically accurate, simply condensed.
Except it wasn't, for starters the movie thinks that the Maya Indians are the same as the Aztec.

https://youtu.be/U5pBZKj1VnA

>>83383986
>vibe the movie gives off really makes it feel like you're back in time obeserving actual history
this
for me this is more important actually than historical accuracy; if the film makes you feel youre actually in the past or not. very very few manage to achieve it, off the top of my head i can only think of perfume story of a murderer, master and commander, some scenes in kingdom of heaven and thats about it

>>83384772
Haha beat you by 3 seconds.

>>83384730
>yes yes Romans, you NEED Sicily and the Mediterranean eh eh eh

If this movie had a pussy I'd fuck it with my dick if you know what I mean

>>83383982
Just be glad he didn't portray the Aztecs

Those fuckers were Imperial Japan tier

>>83384860
*rubs hands*

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>>83384860
Exactly! Now you're getting it_

>>83384771
>that video
end yourself

>>83385041
Nice argument.

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>>83384134
But anon, the movie starts out by showing you what normal life was like - they were hunter-gatherers mostly, supplanted with agriculture. There's scenes of young courtship and playful banter also. It looks pretty realistic imo, it's just that the movie focuses on the tribal warfare and enslavement aspect, which was actually predominant. Amazonian societies still around today continue to have blood feuds and intrr-village raids. People who know nothing about tribal native societies shouldn't jump to virtue signal by browbeating anyone who suggests they were and continue to be warlike people

>>83383946
>all that stuff was historically accurate,
It really wasn't. Read any criticism of the movie from a Mayanist to figure out why; no academics consider it an accurate movie. Mel was just able to get away with a lot of shit because most people don't know or care about Mesoamerican history. If he would have made a movie with a similar level of accuracy set in a western environment, people would have given him lots of shit about it (see Braveheart for sort of an example).

It's a good movie, but it gets pretty much everything about Mayan history wrong. I actually thought it was supposed to be about the Aztecs for the longest time until I recently rewatched it.

>>83384771
>>83384772
>nice argument
Okay then. That video has many flaws. The movie obviously knows it's placed in the 1500s, not in classic era, he's making a big deal out of it just so he can make a rant but he's just playing stupid.

The late era mayans used the same sacrifical rituals as the aztec, such as the heart removal, so you wouldn't have seen much difference there. The settlement is a bit too large but it could conceivably have been set in one of the remaining larger classical maya settlments which would have had a larger pyramid. If not it's an acceptable compromise since you want to show things from the maya in different eras in the same movie, just as how kingdom of heaven features a mashup of different helmets and armor from all the crusades.

The main character's tribe are not mayan but could be a village living at the edges of the empire so their language would be similar or the same. Again he insists on something being something it probably isn't , just so he can get a rant in.

The way he complains about the disease spreading before they've even encountered the conquistadors, when in reality this is exactly what happened in most cases since the disases spread ahead of them showing up physically to all places.

Better?

>>83385155
Hey fuck you dude. When I watch movies I demand nothing but historical accuracy. Shit better be exactly like it would be in real life. I don't fuck around.

>>83385403
Mel doesn't have a good track record of being historically accurate.
How can disease travel ahead of Europeans? Explain or you're making shit up.

>>83385604
>being a fucking retard

>>83385403
>he's making a big deal out of it just so he can make a rant but he's just playing stupid.
But it is a big deal, as he mentioned it's 600 years between the classic Maya and the Conqisadors. You should not accept this, the same way that you shouldn't accept a movie where Charlemagne goes to war with the Polish commonwealth.
>The late era mayans used the same sacrifical rituals as the aztec,
Yes but the movie doesn't know if it's set during that period or not.
>The main character's tribe are not mayan but could be a village living at the edges of the empire so their language would be similar or the same
Then they are Mayan if they speak a similar language
>The way he complains about the disease spreading before they've even encountered the conquistadors, when in reality this is exactly what happened in most cases since the disases spread ahead of them showing up physically to all places.
No it's not better because we know for damn sure that smallpox did not exist in the new world until Europe arrived
> Better?
No

>>83385699
Excellent contribution and demonstration of your intellect.

>>83385604
>How can disease travel ahead of Europeans?
Not the guy you're asking, but through trade networks. That's how European diseases spread to most of the New World. After Columbus's initial contacts, diseases spread rapidly through trade routes, and by the time Europeans started moving to other areas, diseases had already affected them pretty heavily. Historically, this was actually documented in the Yucatan, and it's not an issue.

As many problems as the movie has historically, that's not one of them. Diseases spread faster than people do.

>>83385801
What trade routes? And again the time line doesn't add up here, if it's set during the classic period then Columbus wasn't even born yet. If it's set during the exploration era then the Maya shouldn't be living the way they do

>>83385604
>Conquistadors arrive somewhere else
>People somewhere else get diseased
>Disease spreads to ball eater's village's surroundings
>Ball-eater encounters other conquistadors

>>83385801
Mel made it seem that Europeans only showed up at the end of the film, so it's confusing and ambiguous. Disease would have had to magically fly ahead of the ships over ocean to be there. I like Mel and the subject he chooses, but hate how lazy he is when it comes to filmmaking. Same with Clin Eastwood sometimes.

>>83385967
Yes. This is the only explanation, but if the city Mayans had contact with Europeans then how come the bad guy was just as surprised to see the conquistadors as the MC was at the end? Mel just doesn't give a shit I think. Like how a guy picks up a 100lb torso as a shield to charge the Japanese with a 20lb BAR one handed.

>>83385708
>But it is a big deal, as he mentioned it's 600 years between the classic Maya and the Conqisadors
Right, but why does he insist on feigning ignorance of it being set in the post classic period? He sees some failing crops and he instantly assumes it's the maya collapse, he sees a pyramid and he instantly assumes it's a classical period, instead of just a larger settlement in the post classic period. You may as well assume that it's the post classic period since, y'know there's europeans and smallpox and they're using heart removal rituals.

>>83385987
>Mel made it seem that Europeans only showed up at the end of the film,
no, that doesn't have to be the case. The smallpox can just as easily be a signal that the europeans are close and it's a buildup to the end.

>>83386064
The point is, why couldn't Mel just be clear about it instead of being confusing? Most audiences have like zero knowledge on the subject.

>>83383498
It was pretty good. I especially liked this scene
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LT9YKjn67Og

>>83386063
>how come the bad guy was just as surprised to see the conquistadors as the MC was at the end
because the europeans had not yet entered that city, but mayans travelling between that city and the places the europeans had already been to would have spread the disease.

>>83383498
Extremely underrated

>>83386064
Because historical records tells us how they lived during the classic and after the classical. When the Spanish showed up that's long after the classical

Also the Aztec didn't exist during the classic period.

>>83385947
>What trade routes?
Do you know anything about precolumbian North America? Trade routes covered the whole continent. Hell, the first encounter between European explorers and Mayans happened when a Spanish ship ran into a Mayan boat on its way to trading with Caribbean Islands.

>>83385947
>And again the time line doesn't add up here,
Stop taking that video's joke about time travelling seriously. Since Spaniards show up at the end, it's obviously supposed to be set sometime in the 16th century. Yes, that means a lot of the architecture and social structure is anachronistic, and it was a big mistake on Mel's part. I'm not arguing that, again, I think the movie fucked a lot of things up. But having smallpox exist in 16th Yucatan is not a mistake, because it actually happened. And yes, it showed up before the Europeans did, because the Mayans were trading with groups that had been exposed to it beforehand (and in 1511, Spaniards themselves who survived a shipwreck).

The movie has enough problems without needing to focus on something that Mel actually got right. If you want to criticize it historically, focus on the actual mistakes.

>>83386144
>Most audiences have like zero knowledge on the subject.
Yeah, so when the europeans show up they woudln't think it strange since most people only know about the maya as the europeans arriv,e they don't know the difference between classic and post classic. So they wouldn't be confused.
A history guy watching it maybe would be confused if he assumed it was the maya collapse, but after seeing the smallpox and the heart removal they shouldn't be so sure it's the classic period, and this should be confirmed when they see the europeans.
I really don't think it's a big deal, but I suppose it would have been "better" if he had made it clear so some history buffs wouldn't be confused.

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>Make a religious porn movie that only rednecks and white trash like
>Get drunk and when a cop pulls you over you express your love for sand niggers
>Beg your Jewish overlords for forgiveness and apologize multiple times, but they show no mercy and kill your career
>Become an even bigger alcoholic in your depression
>Your wife cucks you for a nigger
>You get caught on tape crying about how upset you are that your wife is cucking you for a nigger
>Now trying to appease his masters by making an anti-war movie glamorizing a soldier who refused to kill the enemy, starring a Jewish actor

Is there a bigger cuck in Hollywood than Mel Gibson?

>>83386299
yeah, so if he assumes it's classical at first, and then he sees things depicted later which are post classic in nature, maybe he sould get a bit unsure of whether it's the classic or post classic instead of insisting on that it's the classic.

>>83385987
>Mel made it seem that Europeans only showed up at the end of the film
Do you think that there was only one instance of European contact, and that when Columbus landed in the Bahamas in 1492, everyone knew about the Spanish?

>>83386342
>Australians

>>83386313
>seriously. Since Spaniards show up at the end, it's obviously supposed to be set sometime in the 16th century.
But the architecture and way of life does not reflect this.
>The movie has enough problems without needing to focus on something that Mel actually got right. If you want to criticize it historically, focus on the actual mistakes.
I am, you're the one trying to brush them aside while defining the movie.

>>83386483
Or maybe the film writers should make things historical accurate

But what can we expect from the man who made a movie where the English burned down a church full of civilians during the American Revolution.

>>83383498
It's one of my favorite movies, Mel is pretty autistic though

>made me want more historical periods pieces
>made me want more movies set around the Mayan/Aztec/Incan empires
>made me want to rewatch The Mission
>made me realize that Mel Gibson is an excellent director

>>83386487
Okay but Mel was still being inconsistent in storytelling. So why not show more people dead from small pox? Why were they so surprised to see the ships?
It's like that frogpost.
>not what but WHEN?

>>83383498
Really nice pacing, he did a good job maintaining the level of continuous tension for basically 70% of the movie. Still, the best stuff came before it turned into a chase movie. The villagers were all really well developed in the first act and it was sad to see most of them die. The pyramid sacrifice/eclipse scene was kino and probably the high point of the film.

As far as flaws, there's a little bit of wonky continuity editing especially in the panther scene
>shot of Jaguar Paw running with panther like 10ft behind him
>shot from hunters' pov of Jaguar Paw running with panther nowhere in sight
>hunter goes after Jaguar Paw and panther is suddenly right there again
On top of the lack of realism that a dude could outrun a panther in a straight line like that for as long as he did, it was just made very obvious what was coming with the panther attacking the Mayan. They didn't need to stretch it out as long as they did, especially when the continuity of the panther's position in relation to Jaguar Paw was constantly broken to give him more ground, which ruined the suspense of it. Also when the panther mauls the guy to death you see it ripping his face off, but then you see the body afterward and his face looks fine.

One gripe is that it was weird that the Mayan general ended up being the final boss when there was a lot more investment in the conflict between Jaguar Paw and the crazy guy who killed his father. I wasn't expecting them to fight when they did, and it was pretty anticlimactic.

>>83385987
There were diseases and famines that existed in the Americas prior to European arrival anon.

>>83386651
No it didn't dude this entire movie is fucking bullshit. Native people were kind caring nature loving people who had never experienced sickness or violence until the white world ruiners showed up.

>>83386651
why do you bother writing this inaccurate post when his point has already been adressed by others in this thread. Fuck.

>>83386651
But not smallpox
>>83386858
Did you miss the point that hard on purpose?

>>83386542
>But the architecture and way of life does not reflect this.
Yes, that's the mistake. Everything about the film besides the architectures indicates that it's supposed to be set around the time of contact. The architecture is the mistake, not time traveling Spaniards. I'm genuinely confused as to why you're not understanding this; I'm not brushing anything aside, I'm just describing to you what the actual mistake is. For example, say a movie is made about Thermopylae and the Spartans are shown wearing Roman armor and weapons; would you complain about what Romans are doing at Thermopylae, or would you just accept that the director fucked up some aesthetic details?

Again, the historical record shows smallpox arriving in the Yucatan before the Spanish did. Architectural fuckups in the movie don't change that.

>>83386638
>Why were they so surprised to see the ships?
Because they hadn't landed there before. What's hard to understand about that. It's not like the Spanish landed everywhere in 1492; the Yucatan peninsula actually has one of the messiest and most complicated histories of contact in the Americas. They were surprised because they hadn't seen Spanish ships before. Direct contact with the Spanish wasn't necessary for disease to spread.

>>83386601
>The Mission
haven't seen this one, thx anon

>>83386948
Dude we know for a fact that people didn't live in cities like that during the contact period, so that's a huge error right there.
>I'm genuinely confused as to why you're not understanding this;
Then imagine my confusion over the fact that you won't accept that the movie doesn't know what time period it's set in
>would you complain about what Romans are doing at Thermopylae, or would you just accept that the director fucked up some aesthetic details?
I would complain because that's a huge error right there
>Again, the historical record shows smallpox arriving in the Yucatan before the Spanish did. Architectural fuckups in the movie don't change that.
Not by 600 years

>>83386948
>would you complain about what Romans are doing at Thermopylae, or would you just accept that the director fucked up some aesthetic details?
Not him, but kek. I don't understand people insisting on feigning ignorance on it either.
>Architecture
I'm genuinely curious what architecture and way of life shown is out of place? Could there not have been one of the larger cities and one of its pyramids still maintained in the last days of the empire that we were seeing? The pyramids still exist for us to see today after all. And what about the way of life is inaccurate if we assume (unlike the video) that the tribe in the intro of the movie are not part of the mayans but rather live on the outskirts of their territories.

>>83383498
Illustration of that famous quote about true talent and skill being frustrated at every turn by a confederacy of dunces.

>>83387193
Because people didn't live in cities like that during the contact period

And if the tribal people aren't Maya then why do the speak the same language

>>83383694
the fucking madman

I just wish there were more films and film makers with the ambition Mel has

>>83387154
>that's a huge error right there.
Yes, it is. That's exactly what I'm saying. You're going along with History Buff's video and complaining about time traveling Spaniards. Again, the movie itself makes it completely obvious that it's supposed to be set in the 16th century, and I can't believe your autism is making me defend this piece of shit.

To make my point clear: Mel fucked up some aesthetic details, but that doesn't change when the movie is supposed to be set. It's basically the same thing is when he made William Wallace anachronistically wear a kilt. Movies do things like this all the time, and it's worth pointing it out, but if you're going to do that, complain about the right fucking thing. That is, the mistake itself (inaccurate architecture), and not some ridiculous situation that you can argue as a result of the mistake (Spaniards time traveling to the Classic period).

The problem people had with this movie is that it was a more accurate depiction of the Aztecs, not the Mayans.

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>>83387282
>Because people didn't live in cities like that during the contact period
Were really ALL cities abandoned at that point? What about something like pic related

>And if the tribal people aren't Maya then why do the speak the same language
Maybe because they have had contact with mayans from time to time and maybe only speak a dialect or essentially the same way since they're only a generation or two removed from being in contact with the mayans.

>>83387459
Not him. But the point of HB's video isn't that Spaniards time traveled. It's that he hates Mel because Mel doesn't give a shit about historical accuracy and only cares about telling his stories. It's the same way /k/ommandoes get triggered by the Walking Dead, or 4chan in general about "hacking" in media. I think it's a valid gripe.

>>83387665
I understand that. The point I'm making is that it's stupid to frame complains about accuracy in a nonsensical way. Yes, it's annoying that Mel didn't give a shit about accuracy, and it's a valid complaint to have. But the right way to bring the complaint up is to address the actual mistake, not go on a stupid tirade about time travel. We all know what Mel meant, and we know how he fucked it up, so talk about that, because it's better than making yourself look clueless. The same goes for some of the complaints (like smallpox showing up before contact with the Mayans) aren't actually mistakes.

If you want people to take your complaints seriously, make serious complaints. Don't throw out ridiculous arguments about the mistakes and make points that show you know less about history than Mel Gibson.

I love where this was filmes.

>>83383982
>It looked to me like he just made them all out to be bloodthirsty savages

Because they were.

>>83383498
good but forgetable

>small pox was a thing before the spanish arrived
yea this movie might have been good visually and exciting but it was laughable in many parts

>>83385416
>complains that the movie portrays natives as too savage
>people point out that this stuff was accurate
>"OH YEAH WELL FUCK YOU WHO SAID THINGS NEED TO BE ACCURATE?? I CAN'T BELIEVE THEY DIDN'T MAKE A MOVIE THAT JUST PROPAGATED A FORCED MEME LIKE THE NOBLE PEACE-LOVING HIPPIE NATIVE!!! MY FEELINGS"

>>83386342
I don't think you understand what that term means.

>>83383982
>he just made them all out to be bloodthirsty savages
>amazing awe inspiring cities combined with extensive knowledge of the heavens and brutal sacrifices done by capturing slaves and by sacrificing their own
sounds pretty accurate to me

When I rented the movie the captions weren't automatically turned on. Ended up watching the whole thing with out realizing that you were supposed to know what they were saying. Still was able to follow the story, so pretty great film in any case.

>>83387886
bait

>>83387459
But you don't seem to understand that the way of life shown in the movie does not reflect the way of life that the Maya had during the contact period.
>but that doesn't change when the movie is supposed to be set.
Oh but it does, the same way that a movie set during the crusades can't have a subplot about a scientific being in trouble with the church because of his theory of evolution.
>>83387534
Not all but a majority and certainly the ones seen in the movie

>>83389255
and yet the one in the image is said to be the capital and is comparable to the one shown in the movie so...?

>>83389295
Zaculeu didn't have the pyramids shown in the movie

>>83389357
But the image clearly shows a big pyramid. So then the idea that a city with a big pyramid where sacrifices happen in the post classical period isn't that far fetched?

>>83386159
The amount of butthurt in the comments is just soo, soo good. hmmmmmm

>>83389426
>All big pyramids are the same

>>83390595
what?

>>83383498
You thought it was really underrated but not as good as Hacksaw Ridge.

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>>83390786
The pyramids built during the classic period and the one on your image are two different types

>>83391038
so your issue is with there being a classic period pyramid in the film when it should be a post classic one?

>>83391083
My issue is that the movie doesn't know what time period it's set in

Contact period? Cities and life style doesn't match up
End of the classic period? What are the Spanish doing there

>>83391176
Your issue is autism. It's not a historical documentary. It sacrificed historical accuracy to show a broader picture of the Mayan culture and give the audience more information.

>>83383498
One of the best movies I've seen. Can't wait for his resurrection of Christ Kino.

>>83391233
There is a 900 year time spawn between the classic and the contact period. That's a huge error, so having issues with that is not autism.

But hey the next time they make a movie about American history and George Washington signs the constitution in 1607 don't come crying to me.

>>83391423
You mean a movie like The Patriot or Braveheart?

>>83391423
Braveheart had a ~1000 year cap between The Wars of Scottish Independence and that blue shit they paint their faces with. Picts did that, around a millenia before the events of the movie. It's a Mel thing.

>>83391423
>a movie about American history and George Washington signs the constitution in 1607
except that's an actual specific event, not aesthetic choice, like the different types of pyramids. If you weren't an autist you'd see that there's a huge difference between these things.

>>83391681
>>83391716
Exactly and people who don't know any better let shit like that fly

But once you know better then you won't let it fly
>>83391801
But the different pyramids are a specific event

>>83391965
Everybody knows those movies aren't historically accurate you autist.

>>83385148
Historical accuracy means jack shit.

mexinigger here...

my maids are of zapotec descent and sometimes speak between themselves in a strange dialect. they cook fucking delicious too. gracias por la cena mari, eres la mejor!!

>>83392120
And it's pretty obvious he just has a gripe with Mel. He gives a pass to Zulu for being historical accuracy to increase drama and make it more theatrical and criticizes braveheart for it.

His arguments for why a movie is bad are childish and pseudo-intellectual tier. Screaming for 30 minutes about how something is cliché isn't critique. You have to actually explain why something is bad.

>>83391991
And for uneducated people thats fine
>>83392212
>criticizes braveheart for it.
But Braveheart wasn't accurate

>>83392329
I made typo
>He gives a pass to Zulu for being historically inaccurate
The point never was that Braveheart was accurate.

>>83392405
Zulu presents no major flaws while Braveheart does

>>83392471
>Zulu presents no major flaws
Lol. Are you serious? Anyways there's nothing wrong with movies being historically inaccurate if it serves the story. This is why Braveheart is a good movie.

>>83392521
Yes I am serious, Zulu presents no major historical flaws while Braveheart is full of them.
>Anyways there's nothing wrong with movies being historically inaccurate if it serves the story.
Yes there is because you are changing history for the story, let's look at Braveheart again. William having an affair with an English princess? Full of shit because said Princess was 3 years old when the Scottish had their uprising.

Be honest: do you like Mel because of his ability to act, or because he railed on the Jews and blacks?

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Are you ready for the next Gore-Kino by Mel
it's named fucking Berserker
I have good hopes

>>83392797
>Yes there is because you are changing history for the story,
You literally just repeated what I stated. Please explain why it is bad, instead of just stating why is it bad. What makes historical inaccuracy so bad? Why does it make a movie bad?

Let's use your example: The princess being of age, and having an affair with William adds to the story in many new layers. What does the historical inaccuracy of it subtract from the movie?

>>83392977
>instead of just stating why is it bad.
that it is bad*

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Why do people go full retarded defending this movie?

Its inaccurate as fuck, who cares its a decent action flick.

>>83392977
Well other then the standard respond of how is it good that they change history for the movie let me tell you how it's bad

For starters you're being feed false information, second you are insulting the people and culture who has ties to these events. It thinks that it can just bend history as they see fit and all it does is reinforce ignorance

I'm going to guess that you're American so how would feel about a movie where George Washington signs the constitution at the end of the American Civil War where the red coats tried to deny them the rights to own slaves?
>and having an affair with William adds to the story in many new layers.
In what way?

>>83393176
Where the hell did this "anime girl with red facepaint" meme come from?

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>>83393278
I think it's a usual facepaint for brazilian natives.

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>>83393432
>tfw no pet sloth

Why there are no films about conquistadors? Their stories are great and historically accurate due to the letters they wrote informing to the king of Spain.

>>83393249
>Well other then the standard respond of how is it good
What? Do you think the directors are just doing that for shits and giggles? No. There's a reason for it, and that reason is: it improves the story or the director think it improves the story.
>For starters you're being feed false information, second you are insulting the people and culture who has ties to these events.
The number of Scottish people insulted by Braveheart: 0. You're one of the "muh cultural appropriation" types aren't you? Most people from smaller cultures are happy that their culture is being displayed on the big screen, not mad. Changing historical facts is only offensive, if you make it offensive. Trivial stuff like the age of the princess is not making anyone mad, or insulting to anyone. The portrayal of the British might have been a bit offensive to the British but then again establishing them as the villains is more important for the story.
>I'm going to guess that you're American
I'm not.
>how would feel about a movie where George Washington signs the constitution at the end of the American Civil War where the red coats tried to deny them the rights to own slaves?
Nothing. Germans also didn't get mad when Inglorious Basterds ended with Hitler being gunned down.
>In what way?
I'm just guessing you're an autist. You don't get other humans, and emotions. Movies don't do anything for you so you focus on how "realistic" they are. Having a love interest gives the characters more motivation. Love is something most humans understand thus it makes us feel more emotional and invested. The effect of William's death is, for example, increased because of the tragedy of the loved one.

>temple of the sun
>aztec ritual sacrifices


is it really about the mayans?

Kinotard posting is dying and there's nothing you can do about it.

>>83393519
>The number of Scottish people insulted by Braveheart: 0

A LOT of scotts hate braveheart.

>>83393608
Why though? Because "REEE SCOTTISH PEOPLE DIDN'T HAVE ANY KILTS BACK THEN!!11" or "REEE THE PRINCESS WAS YOUNGER!!111" or something that wasn't really historical inaccuracy but how they were portrayed?

>>83393490
They were usually criminals sent to America because they had nothing else to do.

>>83392831
you already know the answer to this

>>83393519
No I'm the type of person who gets made about inaccurate portrayal of history and culture, even more so when it's not your own.

Furthermore Inglorious Bastard is not om the same level as Braveheart because that movie has a very different style and tone due to its pulp origin. it never claimed to be accurate while Braveheart did

And I'm guessing that you are just uneducated if you allow false information to be fed to you like that
>>83393664
Among other

>>83384772
>click start video
>see faggot tumblr cartoon
>close video

>>83384777
sevens
also i thought the vvitch did salem-era new england pretty well

>>83383498
Absolute kino.

The Mayans and the Aztecs were interesting people. Wish we knew more about them, and had more media about them.

>>83383982
Pretty much every pre industrial civilization had sky high homicide rates and were rife with brutality

>>83393886
You're just screaming from the top of your lungs about how something is bad, while not stating why is it bad. Cinema is art, and what the director sees as the best thing of portraying what he wants goes.
>Furthermore Inglorious Bastard is not om the same level as Braveheart because that movie has a very different style and tone due to its pulp origin. it never claimed to be accurate while Braveheart did
Double standards. You just dislike Mel Gibson. You say Zulu gets a pass for being historically inaccurate, and now you give Basterds a pass. How is any of these movies any less insulting to the cultures they portray?
>it never claimed to be accurate while Braveheart did
Braveheart never claimed to be a historically accurate documentary about William Walace. It is a historical epic.
>And I'm guessing that you are just uneducated if you allow false information to be fed to you like that
I know more about history than you do, friendo. It's why I don't get so triggered by historical inaccuracy. I don't mind movies having false information, they're movies. Also if you have such a problem with "false information" why do you watch movies? Movies are inaccurate to the core, they display the physics of our universe inaccurately. Nice Ad hom btw.
>>83393886
>Among other
I made that post. Only a select minority of people like you feel insulted by the inaccurate placement of kilts in Braveheart. Most people like it, understand that it is a dramatized version of what happened and move on.

>>83384430
I agree. TV needs flags

>>83393893
Then leave the audio on.
>>83394099
And you're just screaming from the top of your lungs why something bad is good or even trying to say why it's good.
>Double standards.
No it's fucking not you dumb cunt and the fact that you don't understand this means that you wasted my time.

To make it short and simple it boils down to style and tone, Inglorious can do it while Braveheart can not. Captain America can do it while Schindlers list can not. Indiana Jones can do it while Saving private Ryan can't
>It is a historical epic.
And that gives it a free pass?

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>>83393490
This. A Cortez movie would be fucking sick.
>ywn see Tenochtitlan in all its splendor on the big screen

A Magellan movie would also be amazing and could be made for less money.

>>83386974
You're going to cry anon.

>>83394555
>And that gives it a free pass?
Not him, but yes. A good movie deals in good archetypes and Apocalypto had to show a dying culture and contrast it with its great scope.
>hurrf durrrf mixed times of big Aztec like sacrafices with good old days
That's exactly the fucking point, based Mel did what he needed to both to showcase the culture and for movie drama.

>>83383643
Got any recommendations in that genre?

>>83395379
I really wish that was the case man, but as I said in my post, I was really bummed out when I couldn't find anything similar to it after I watched it. Passion of the christ, another Mel Gibson movie does have spoken latin and hebrew though, but it's not really the same.

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Daily reminder that Spain did nothing wrong

As a guy who has been always interested in history, i enjoyed it immensively, especially because how realistic it decipted the people of old times.

Also the ending with the spanish ships and priests arriving really showed how different the worlds were.

>>83383643
>historical high budget movies with native language spoken but there aren't any other around
It's called Passion of the Christ.

>>83384134
Did you not see them being able predict the movement of sky particles, the great city they build and the clear different social classes they had? Maybe ur just dumb yourself.

>>83393691
Thread ruined

>>83387154
Jesus Christ you sound like the cringiest cunt, do you ever enjoy movies, or do you just watch them with a notepad and have autistic fits when something isnt accurate?

>>83391423
Jesus Christ, do you also take issue with LoTR being set in the 1970's since they showed an apple of the granny smith variety, therefore the entire plot of the movie must be set in the time after Granny Smith apples were first cultivated?

Fuck off retard

>>83395844
>Spain did nothing wrong

Lets compare britains colonies to spains, spain like france was shit at being an empire

>>83396383
>Lets compare britains colonies
Angola, Botswanna, South Africa... A lot more aids is the main difference. US is not a colony, it's a white country.

>>83395844
Spain did something wrong, they fucked the natives instead of exterminating them

>>83393767
I honestly don't.

Derp

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>>83396453
Britain colonies were hit and miss but some good naiton came out of them, US included. no, don't meme you faggot US is the world super power.

now show me the best spain and france produced

>>83396539
You dodged the problem completely, good job. There are multiple problems with the meme dichotomy you're trying to push:
1) You're equating countries built and maintained by white people (US, Canada, Australia) with those containing basically no white people (Guatemala, Bolivia etc). If you want to be fair, go look how (British) Guyana turned out. It's an utter South American shithole.
2) Britain (with the exception of Guyana) didn't held countries in Middle and Southern America. Yet you're trying to compare countries built by these natives with those built by blacks or Indians. This is pure nonsense.

I'm not going to indulge further into your fake argument until you get some common sense.

>>83384702
bad example bud.
the punics were semites themselves

>makes apocalypto, pure greatness
>makes shitty medic ww2 flick with only one good scene

What did Mel mean by this?

>>83396539
That seems like a logistical nightmare.

>>83395844
I think their evil depends on if spreading the disease was intentional or not. Because I always hear spooky stories about how they came to hte natives in peace then wrapped them in small pox littered blankets.

>>83391965
>But the different pyramids are a specific event
>a difference in aesthetic design on a pyramid is an event
>in fact it's the same as a signing of a document at a specific point in history
holy mother of autism

>>83397087
not his script probably, but the only movie he was able to get funded.
This is the stuff he REALLY wants to do but probably wont :

https://youtu.be/DtB8YhsUkkg?t=51m5s

sad, since he's the only one making true history-kino

You know what, fuck off you insufferable pastfags, this is not a documentary, there's this little thing called artistic freedom, you're the worst and I hope every single one of you die in fire. Liberals are literal braindeads.

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Why don't Mel do Book of Revelation?

>>83391991
>start of thread is people unironically saying it's historically accurate
>b-b-but no one actually believes it's historically accurate!

Which is it?

It's great. Probably his best work.

>>83385356
What was the typical Mayan society by the time the Spanish arrived?

>>83386858
Why are whites such little pussies about natives?

You guys fucking won and pushed all native american tribes into the worst shitholes you could offer and yet white still bitch if any media doesn't depict natives as pure blood thirsty savages.

>>83395844
>give them modern ideas of sanitation

The Aztecs had a far superior sanitation system than any European city.

This isn't even a WE WUZ, the Spanish themselves point out the splendor of the city compared to Seville or Paris where people poured their shit buckets out into the street.

>>83383498
ending shat all over the very religion that mel is. he kept it 100% fucking real.

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>>83393463
>not owning the superior 2 toed sloth

>>83398872
>he's not /megatherium/
is this guy serious?

>>83398856
How did it make Catholics look bad? Their very presence saves the MC's life and promises freedom from all the brutality the audience witnessed.

>>83398856
>>83398984
Mel is actually pretty honest with the church.
See: >>83397367 where he talks about the Pope being in on a hit in his potential future movie

>>83383982
I guess you'd prefer they were noble savages huh? Untouched by brutality before the Europeans came?
Anyways this was from the perspective of sacrifices. Of course they only saw blood and torture. The feeling was that if cameras came through on any other day, it would be a peaceful civilization, from the Mayan POV that is

>>83399142

If I remember right, Mel belongs to a sect of Catholics who aren't Papists anymore.

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>>83386342
Oy oy oy, looks like we found our number 1 goy.

Watching it right now, is pretty good. The conquistadores arriving at the end is always great.

>>83384772

What a fucking autist. This guy should stick to documentaries, because he clearly has no idea how to judge a movie.

>>83383498
It's top notch

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Anything by mel is automatically god tier, especially after how he badmouthed the kikes