The Leftovers

boy they really thought this through

>>83327806
Sometimes you have to let the mystery be.

>>83327806
Or maybe Kevin is experiencing a psychotic break like his father.

>>83327959

Expect he's been dead for literally hours at a time.

It's physically impossible to come back from that.

>>83327806
the purgatory place is actually an parallel dimension.

Our world is filled with the people who died in their world, their world is filled with the people who died in ours. The sudden departure seemed random with no logic to who was taken because the criteria for who was taken is based on the people living in the parallel universe.

Imagine if you will, two realities intertwined. The very fabric of each one tied into the other, with the entire history of one being rewritten when a single person in the other dies. This intense interconnection creates interdimensional friction, the same friction that caused 2% of the population in both worlds to vanish, because that 2% were all about to die in various unconnected ways that would have caused incredible strain on the connection between both worlds, who is living and who is dying.

We can see this with Evi, in her eyes it was her entire family that was killed in the drone strike instead of her.

And in each world there are god figures who have somehow gotten mixed up with the interdimensional energy somehow. Because the population is getting so large and so many people die of unnatural causes every day it keeps putting more of a strain on reality which keeps trying to make both worlds full of people who died of any cause other than old age in the other world coherent and logical. This leads to some people not crossing over when they died and becoming demons that can go back and forth between the worlds (patty) despite being physically dead in our world, she can still manifest in the mind of someone from our world (kevin).

Kevin is actually like patty, because he committed suicide in the other world when he drowned himself in S2, but he only drowned himself in the alternate world and because this new world couldn't compute the fucking logic changes necessary to completely redo history it just cracked the ground open and as a side effect of this he was left like Patty.

>>83328218
so keep in mind that kevin is basically a more powerful version of patty. Patty is the way she is because she killed herself in our world, but the alternate world couldn't parse out a good reason for her to exist still in their world either so she was just sort of left halfway still in our world.

Kevin's like that except so much more powerful, as we've seen he has the ability to physically possess the bodies of people in the alternate dimension without realizing it.

The hotel is like the bizarro crossover between the worlds in a sort of way, where the internal logic of the universes decides who stays, who goes and so on and so forth. If you drink the water that means you permanently cross over to their universe.

Anyway this all comes to a head with the interdimensional demons from both worlds trying to manipulate people in the other world to destroy their world because they're afraid of the other universe existing and causing another departure

Patty is on the side of our world, hence she wants Kevin to nuke their world. David is in fact the Kevin's equal from their world- hence he calls himself god and came back to life, because he's just a visitor in our world from theirs. Remember he wasn't always "god" it only happened after he died.

After he died in our world, he went to their world but got fucked up somewhere along the way and became a permanent resident of their world but with his body still here in ours meaning that when he went back he "became god" because he can now travel between worlds at will.

Kevin is almost exactly like this, he is somehow simultaneously alive in both worlds at once and also able to possess the bodies of people who he is not. So anyway David tries to get kevin to stop the nukes but patty manages to get kevin to nuke the entire alternate reality which is too much for the interdimensional energy to handle all at once and it collapses onto itself, destroying the alternate world and saving ours

>>83328218
>>83328539
at last I truly see

>>83328218
>>83328539
>autism

>>83328218
>>83328539
thanks damon

I'm pretty worried that Kevin won't be in the finale and it's gonna be all Nora.

what if the reality is the international assassin world and kevin just wants to be in the departed world with nora?

>>83328051

He hasn't been dead, there are many anomalies where people survived for longer than hour without breath

This could also explain his memory loss as simple brain damage and give context to why he smothers himself with plastic bags

>>83327806
The thing that pissed me off this episode was this whole thread about how Kevin fucked things up with Nora. Fuck that shit, they were in a toxic relationship and she was a narcissistic lying cunt, him leaving was the best possible thing he could do for the both of them. I'm hopeful that this will factor into the ending, but if they just go for the "Kevin was in the wrong leaving her" angle I'll be fucking mad.

Is this HBO's most overrated show?

>>83329538
DELET THIS

>>83329538
By a landslide.

>>83329886
>>83329538
It's like people forget Game of Thrones is an HBO show.

>>83328218


B R A V O

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>>83328630
>>83328692
>>83328897
>>83329975

I-I'm not damon guys I s-swear it's not like I want you to watch my show again now that you know what's going on

h-hey did you know the leftovers is in t-the same universe as l-lost? Hey wow, i-it's almost like all this interesting plot about the a-alternate universe means the characters in lost w-weren't actually in p-purgatory so the ending i-isn't bad anymore

please tell me lost has a good ending now

please

or I will truly become the leftovers

>>83328218
>>83328539
I think that it goes more along the lines of the theory of Quantum Reincarnation. It states that, when you die, your consciousness moves to a parallel world where you are still alive and you continue your life as normal. If you die of old age, you probably move to a world where you are a kid again, or you are just being born, or you are a teenager or something. Every human being goes through this and you loose memory of your past life the moment you drink water, the water being God's safe lock that prevents you from remembering. After all, at some point you're gonna get thirsty like Virgil.

Now, as the show states, there are a handful of consciousness that are able to move between worlds. Specifically, Kevin, Patty, probably Christopher Sunday and David (if we go under the assumption that he's not God, but a guy with Kevin's ability and a messiah complex). Patty was the first to figure out how this worked. Specifically, the part of loosing the ability of remembrance of your past life. Hence the Guilty Remnant's emphasis on "making people remember". It wasn't just about the Departure, but the fact that humanity's consciousness has probably moved since time immemorial and Patty is attempting to make them remember.

>>83330648
>>83328218
>>83328539


In International Assassin, it is implied that Patty killed herself after finding out about her husband's affair/poop fetish, and she figured out her ability to move between worlds. However, because of the conditions of her suicide in Season 1, she was unable to return to her body and, instead, became a part of Kevin's mind in order to continue her work. We all know how that turned out.

I like this theory because it explains most of the weird shit of Season 2 and 3 but leaves the Departure largely unexplained like it's intended to be. What is the Departure? Is there too many consciousness floating around now that God had to erase some of them? Where they ascended people, or people meant to be ascended in the future, that were chosen by God to escape the eternal loophole the rest of us are in? By keeping this part vague, we are left back to square 1 but with a changed perspective, and the hero's journey is complete. Not just for Kevin, but for the audience as well.

>>83330648
>>83330728

I actually like your quantum reincarnation theory, it's how God can still allow people to die and terrible things to happen because ultimately if you die of anything other than natural causes and old age you get quantum reincarnated in the other world and this is constantly happening

I'd like to believe that even god has no idea what the departure was, like he just woke up one day and was like "what the fuck where'd everyone go holy fucking shit"

maybe that's why all this inter world bullshit started happening after the departure because something even god can't explain happened so he got scared as fuck and stopped keeping the quantum worlds seperate because he ran away

>>83329927
Game of Thrones had one good season. To Leftovers zero

>>83332193
>all he knew to do was run

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>>83332193
>not playing the piano version of 'Where is my mind' after the protagonist has ruined the world, whilst murdering his alter ego.

BRAVO! I DID NOT SEE ANY SIMILARITIES WITH OTHER MEDIA AT ALL.

>>83333255
It's an intentional reference to point towards kevin simply being mentally unhinged rather than actually the messiah

Not at all like garbage mr robot which is basically fight club 2: hack boogaloo

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>>83329538
Krager, you cuck.

Nobody over here in the U.Gay. watches Leftovers desu. Just me.

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patti levin

>>83333527
In term of afterlife world it's a straight up rip off, minus the (previously stolen) music.

He's not mentally unhinged; he just nuked the afterlife from within. That's why nihilist Patty was saying there isn't a God (despite God clearly existing and directing Kevin).

Kevin will kill himself in the next episode (for something public), not revive and Nora will chicken-out of being transported, hence the E1 finale...

>>83329538

S1 was great, 2 and 3 have been pretty overrated

>>83333779
>patti (((levin)))
what did they mean by this?

This show blows. I will be tuning into the finale for some Carrie Coon tittays though.

I shouted FUCK YOU LINDELOF when it ended but just realized that wasn't the finale. Dunno where i got that idea from. Have to rewatch now.

And why are there so many people so eager to tell us that they hate the show. Maybe fuck off and don't watch it then.

>>83333829
>chicken out

Nora will attempt to travel but the device won't work. This will be after Kevin has told her about his last death. She'll blame Kevin for never getting to see her children again.

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what did Lindelof mean by this?

This may be obvious to some, but Kevin cutting into Kevin to get the key under his rib is where Jesus was stabbed with a spear.
Water also poured out of Jesus, which reminds me of Kevin spewing water.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Lance

>>83334526
BIG

WHITE

FERRETS

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>>83334609
>yfw Nora admitted to being a necrophiliac

I really hope that the final opening song they choose is silence.
it would be the ultimate bait and switch since I'm sure everyone is expecting Let the Mystery Be play

>>83334574
That scene was too fucking funny

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LTDXfmlqMo&feature=youtu.be

>>83334574
damn this gives me ptsd from penis inspection day

>>83334825
Could they also get away with 50 minutes of black screen and total silence, representing the absolute nothingness of death now?

Could bookend it with some Kevin/Nora closure of course. Kevin dying forever, 50 mins of nothing then a repeat viewing of old Nora on the bike again saying she doesn't know him.

Basically something to shit over the Soprano's finale.

>>83335179
maybe. apparently the last episode is an hour and 15 minutes

>>83332261
Fuck off. The only bad season was 5, the rest were brilliant.

Stop regurgitating what other plebs say. It makes you look stupid.

Old Nora showed up again at the end of the finale preview, I'm thinking the transport leads to yet some other alternate/parallel dimension. Maybe Kevin is known as some type of Jesus-figure there.

Streaming the first 2 seasons on my channel. Come by and hangout and watch with us.

http://original [[ . ]]livestream. com/newchannel/popoutplayer?channel=hueythelastnacho

>>83335492
Just seen >>83334872 's trailer.

Only new parts are a nun/DJ/spectoid on some bulblit stage, firing birds out. Then a distressed old Nora with the nothingness of space behind her.

I think we need some 50 minute nothingness kino. Less is more.

>>83335565

s1 is the only good season tbqh. I still enjoy the show but it's nowhere near the GOATs

>>83335565
No, meme-words make you look stupid. And thinking the last season was anything but hot garbage. And praising Leftovers.

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>>83335565
>the rest were brilliant
Imagine actually thinking this

>>83335565
s01 was great
s02-04 were okay
s05 on are just bad and overrated

>>83328218

I like where your minds at, but I think its only half the truth.

I personally think the entire religious thing is one huge fucking red herring and its all "paranormal" or even sci-fi.

There have been alot of bits and pieces that have never been addressed. One of them being the animals acting weirdly, the canalisation exploding during the departure, the weird people talking to Kevin before it happens (in the care saying "i thought you were someone else").

Lastly, the woman inpersonating Nora goes on a rant about government collusion with rays etc.

I still think its either a parallel universe thing, or its some higher dimensional entity/aliens messing with humans.

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THANKS FOR TOTALLY BAILING OUT & fucking W/ JESUS

nO BALLS

Let me guess, that last episode was pure genius yet the ending of Samurai Jacks was less than perfect??????????????????????????????????

I hate this board.

>>83336385

>Samurai Jacks was less than perfect??????????????????????????????????

Cartoons are for children.

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>>83336385

>>83328218
>the purgatory place is actually an parallel dimension.
the purgatory place is actually all just in Kevin's head.

Notice how he's never actually learnt anything there that we couldn't have learnt in the real world? Notice how Laurie wasn't there despite being dead? Notice how the kids didn't tell him what happened to his shoes?

>>83337132
Haymale

>>83337307
DELETE THIS NOW

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>>83337278

>Notice how Laurie wasn't there despite being dead? Notice how the kids didn't tell him what happened to his shoes?

Then show me her body.

>>83337278
this

>>83337278
Christopher Sunday revealed to him the song wasn't to stop the rain when he confronted him there. his father kept it secret

>>83337278
After the last episode I started thinking the same thing but two things still bother me; What about David Burton though? And how can he die and come back?

>>83337278
the only thing that can't be explained in the "purgatory" place is when kevin spoke to kevin sr through the tv meaning that it was actually real. so it can't be entirely in his head

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>purgatory
>flash forward
>mysterious happenings
>australia
>hippie van
>submarine

BRAVO LINDELOF

>>83327806
Only 2% disappeared? I'd wish that were true and also 98%

>>83333255
Definitely not hackerman show

>>83337666
I'd rather it be 2% but I'm one of them. Fuck this ghey earth.

>>83337655
that wasn't a flashforward, it was a flash dimension

>>83337579
And this
>>83337594

>season 1: grounded melodrama about people dealing with loss

>season 2-3: the main character is jesus, the cult leader from the first season is now a demon, jesus is fucking another demon, people are duplicating the disappearances with lindelof brand not-magic tech, character from first season is now queen of GR and dead because we don't know what to do with her past that, jesus has to use his powers of "not being able to die" to hop in and out of the afterlife to find the secrets that will save the world

what a fine note for damon lindelof to end his career upon

>>83337278
what about the australian president? He said something like "it's not a song to stop the rain, i told you father"

>>83337887
>what a fine note for damon lindelof to end his career upon

i think i'm going to buy a bottle of champagne next week and once the finale ends i'm going to celebrate how this hack will never, ever, be hired to write anything again

>>83337655
>juliette/kevin is sick of the island/hotel, so he nukes it
>season 2 opens on a woman in prehistory and her baby struggling to survive only to die and have her baby stolen by another prehistory woman
>literally every character is either "man of science" or "man of faith"

>>83337887
>season 1-3: grounded melodrama about people dealing with loss

>>83338041
feel free to elaborate on that

>>83338062
DONT TELL ME WHAT I CANT DO

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It's like someone came up with the script to this show by writing it on a napkin while they were pounding Popov in some gay bar as they were waiting for their tranny escort to show up.

>>83337569
>>83337935
Kevin spent some time with his father between when he picked him up outside to hotel to when he rode off that we never saw. His father could easily have told Kevin what Sunday told him.

>>83338180
We know this is you Damon!

>>83337579
>What about David Burton though? And how can he die and come back?
How do we know he did? Kevin could've seen a news story about some guy in Australia that claims he died, came back and is now God. Kevin's subconscious uses that. Notice how David Burton never said anything about the hotel or Kevin to Matt?

>>83337594
Kevin's dad doesn't remember that. If he could then it would confirm it to be real but since he can't we once again only have Kevin's point of view and he couldn't easily made that shit up in his subconscious while he was near death.

>>83338444
he doesn't remember speaking to him but everything else about his story lines up with what kevin saw in the tv. it can't just be a coincidence

It's basically the LOST finale "dude purgatory lmao" turned into an entire series

>>83338444
I could of sworn Kevin Sr doesn't exactly remember his "drug induced trip" but does remember being in a hotel on drugs in a pray circle which is what Kevin saw. That's a hell of a coincidence.

>>83338503
Sure it could. Kevin knew his father was in Australia and he could've easily told Kevin some of what he was upto there.

There is nothing that definitively proves any of the afterlife stuff was actually real. Everything he learnt and saw there was stuff he could've learnt while he was in the "real world".

If the kids had actually told him what happened to the shoes (which would've been impossible for him to learn in the real world) THEN it would've proved it was real. Lindelof deliberately drew attention to the fact that he didn't find out to show that it's not real.

Eh let's just make some abortion and put a lost purgatory twist on it, fuckin PRINT IT

god damn i wish the writers of this would burn in hell

>>83338612
He could've called Kevin while high and told him what he was doing.

>>83338716
LOL. I guess everything can be explained by "oh well this could have happened off camera." That's poor writing if it goes that way.

>>83333255
they already did that in season 1

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>>83338782
>That's poor writing if it goes that way

>>83338782
No, that's deliberately leaving it upto interpretation.

It's like how Kevin learnt Patty's backstory from her "ghost" and he tells Laurie that that proves she's real but she points out that she probably mentioned Patty's story to him while they were married and he just subconsciously remembers it. We don't need a flashback of that actually happening since the point is to not prove it either way.

Same reason Patty was conveniently never there when Laurie was. Since Laurie would've been able to definitively prove one way or the other.
>needing literally everything spelled out for you
I hate to tell you this but I don't think the writing is the reason you didn't get all this.

>>83337742
So a flash sideways then. I think I've heard of that before....

>>83338796
When did Kevin kill himself and wreck the world to a backing of tinkled ivories in season 1?

I only remember (dishonest/runaway from my problems) Kevin fucking someone like they got fucked in grade school...

>>83338231
Knowing the writers of this show, such an important detail would've deserved a scene on its own. It's highly unlikely they'd pull an "it happened off-camera" with something as important

>>83338444
There's a scene in season 2 where Kevin is watching the TV and the news about an australian man coming back to life are seen for a few seconds. So you do have a point in that it might be all on Kevin's head.

>>83329538
>What's Game of Thrones?
>What's Westworld?

>>83339010
No, its poor writing. The reality is lindelof doesn't have an interpretation, all he knows how to do is drop intrigue that he lacks the ability to resolve in any manner, so he just moves on to the next thing. Then retards like you say "DAS JES LIEK LIEF!!"

>>83339227
Deserving of some praise, whereas this is deserving of none.

>>83339244
>Then retards like you say "DAS JES LIEK LIEF!!"

also
>ITS ABOUT DUH JURNEY NOT DA DEZTINATION

>>83339279
its ok to call people like you plen

>>83339144
see my comment >>83339010
about the Patty stuff. We never got a scene of the conversation between Kevin and Laurie where she told him Patty's story while they were still married since that actually happening/not happening would give us a definitive answer as to whether it's real or not.

Same thing with what Kevin's father told him or didn't tell him.

>>83339303
measuring something as overrated is comparing it's actual quality level to the level of praise it recieves. got and westworld are mediocre and aren't praised as god's gift to humanity.

leftovers is absolute shit and is praised as the highest achievement of man.

>>83339144

He's drowning his own son. Of course he told him the reasons for it. I think we can happily assume this without having to see it on camera.

>>83339331
poor writing

>>83339120
the song, i mean. When he starts seeing Patty

>>83339380
Neck yourself

>>83339380
>leftovers is absolute shit and is praised as the highest achievement of man.
by whom exactly?

>>83339417
>not spelling out literally every detail
>not showing us literally every conversation
>bad writing
wew boy

>>83339380

why do you watch so much television that you don't enjoy? and then spend additional time telling everyone how much you hate them.

Westworld, GoT and Leftovers. That's 97 episodes you've wasted your life on. SAD!

>>83339380
>got and westworld are mediocre and aren't praised as god's gift to humanity.

You only get tv opinions from this board, don't you? Most of my friends irl treat Westworld like the best show ever, GoT like their new religion and have never even heard about The Leftovers

>>83338796
You're thinking of season 2.

>>83339540
what motivates you to post things like this?

>>83337278

Burton said things in purgatory that he would later repeat and allude to IRL that Kevin couldn't possibly know about

>>83339587
they weren't in texas

>>83339638
I mean when they used Where is my mind on piano. That was used in the finale of season 2.

They never used it in season one.
I only know this because I started watching this show last month and I'm all caught up.

>>83339731
I'm pretty sure it was at the point where Kevin dug up Patty's body in season 1

>>83339779
I thought that was the real version of Where is my mind.
When he gets pulled over by a cop?

>>83339815
oh it happens twice?

>>83339779
>>83339815
S2E2?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jgadSIkud4

>>83339446
I know anon. The first rule about Fight Club is you should steal it's music, protagonist's alter-ego resolve and it's doomsday scene for your own TV show.

Why do you guys are trying to solve the "mysteries" of this show if they won't probably close every single one (like the Nat. Geographic one), wait for next week to have a decent discussion, because you'll have a verdict of whether Lindelof will reedem himself or if he's the goat hack.

Btw, 1st season I used to wonder about the characters departure related problems.

2nd season until E8 was basically the same thing (I even liked E8, but I disliked the next eps).

3rd season all it's left to wonder is about the plot, and the departure realted problems are secondary now. I still like the show, but S1>S2>S3.

>>83334609
post more coon

BETS ON NORA???

Amensia/Hate? Future/Present?

>>83339919
>Why do you guys are trying to solve the "mysteries" of this show

because that's all this fucking show is you retard

mysteries stacked on mysteries while the characters react to these mysteries and then they stack more mysteries on top of that, it never fucking ends. it's all so unbelievably false and forced.

>people find crazy ways to cope from the Departure

>audience finds crazy ways to make Kevin actually Jesus instead of accepting that it's about him and Nora

>>83339636
Such as?

>>83340080
>S3 ends
What's next?

>>83339919
>3rd season all it's left to wonder is about the plot, and the departure realted problems are secondary now.
Not if you believe that all the magic shit is just in people's heads.

>>83340020
>Kevin destroyed the "other world"
>Nora somehow finds out
>Can't travel to see her family/can't get closure
>Hates Kevin and becomes recluse
>Scene was in the future and Kevin is searching for her

>>83340280
its like pottery

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>>83340038
Just wait for it to end, then you'll have at least a conclusion.

Btw, the finale will be about Kevin and Nora fighting and then reconciling when they are old

Basically

>another departure won't happen
>we can love each other again
>some shit between nora and kevin happen and they don't talk for years
>they still love each other and reconcile when they are old

>>83327834
fpbp

>>83340249
That pretense only held up for the first ten episodes. Once lindelof had the reins it was all magic all the time.

I watched Season 1 and 2. Hated 1, hated 2 even more.

What have I been missing?

>>83340698
compassion

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>>83339956

>>83340726
So 'nothing'. Got it, thanks.

>>83340698
Reason.
Why would you continue watching 2 seasons through a show you hate?

>>83340391
that's pretty much what i'm expecting lindehack to do. i'm not expecting anything to be resolved, he already said that anyway.

the characters have been built from the ground up by how they react to the mysterious happenings layered on top of mysterious happenings in the show. in the finale he will throw all that away and try to force down our throats the show was really was about the characters themselves and nothing else. all that mystery stuff? yea forget that, it doesn't matter, it's really about these characters guyzeee

>>83337278
>there are actually people watching this show who believe that Kevin is Jesus, purgatory is real, and this show has supernatural things happening after the Departure

Has there ever been a group of people who have missed the point of a show so hard?

>>83340698
common sense

>>83340868
you're right, kevin is just a schizo and everything after season 1 episode 1 was all in his head and he was in a mental institution the whole time

>>83339380
>got and westworld are mediocre and aren't praised as god's gift to humanity. leftovers is absolute shit and is praised as the highest achievement of man.

b8

>>83340809
To see if it got any better.

I've also watched every season of GoT and that show gets worse every year. Sometimes it's entertaining to watch and criticize and shitpost. TV is not that much of a commitment little dawg.

>>83334526
It's fun that they reference the fact that Justin Theroux has a magnum dong.

>>83340888
Another not an argument. Got it, thanks.

>>83340619
Not really. It's not definitive one way or the other as to whether the magic stuff is real or not.

>>83339863
>>83339815
>>83339779
>>83339731


The real song was used once >>83339875 here
And iirc the instrumental cover was used twice, once in a scene with Laurie and Tommy in their Remnant support group and again when Laurie comes to see Kevin in Miracle.

>>83340757
had to squint to fap, but thank you

>>83341027
It really isn't. You'd have to be intensely uneducated to think otherwise.

>>83341027
There is no magic in this show, The Departure was the only supernatural event to happen everything else is just people being crazy reacting to it

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>>83341216
Departure. Yeah a departure from good writing.

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>>83328218
We Umineko now

>>83341216
the departure wasn't real either you moron, they are clearly all dead and living in purgatory

>>83341287
Game of Thrones might be more to your taste

>>83341322
Nah, that show is poorly written as well. You know it's not a competition, right?

>>83341019
no one is arguing

>>83341322
rick and morty might be more to your taste

>>83340970
but why waste your time watching something you don't enjoy?

>>83341375
name a show you think is well written

>>83341216
listen, the show started off that way, but everything since s02e01 has been pure magic. There was no logic or grounding to the show once lindelof took over.

>>83339244
>>83339301
Imagine being this assblasted over a television series.

>>83341469
The Walking Dead

>>83341439
Enjoyment is more complex than just "only watch things you think are good." Sometimes the shitshow is enjoyable to watch and criticize.

>>83341469
I am not the faggot that said 'The Walking Dead'. I think Fargo is well-written, but the current season is not as good as the last two.

Lindelof can't write depth/philosophy/relevance/existentialism in his characters, but he's really fucking good with plot, this season of Leftovers is the least complex of them all (S1 is the most for sure, because is the most character driven) but in terms of plot, it's the best, for sure.

I think Lindelof was made for an anthology sci-fi series, where he can break continuity whenever he wants and do weird stuff as well. Imagine this dude's episodes of Twilight Zone or even Black Mirror, he could do wonders.

>>83341669
>Sometimes the shitshow is enjoyable to watch and criticize.

But you didn't say this show was a "shitshow", you said you hated it. I can't rationalize why someone would continue to watch something they don't enjoy

>>83341487
The latest episode was essentially just a big dick pull to people who think it's some real spiritual realm. It's increasingly obvious that everything is just Kevin's manifestations. The dick identification, God admitting he's not God, Sunday getting him to confess that he doesn't really believe it, literally end of the world and killing yourself stuff. All so wacky and clearly tied to his actual life that he's trying to escape.

Of course there's still deniability, but to argue for it also goes against where the show is taking you, now that Kevin realized all this spiritual stuff is irrelevant, even it is real.

I like that I just have no fucking clue what is going to happen in the last episode or how its all going to end.
A main theme of this show has always been family so I hope it ends similar to season 1, or at least it lets Kevin find some peace somehow
its probably going to be a wild ride

>>83341752
Maybe it's because you're a bit slow, I don't know. Just don't think too hard about why I watch tv shows. I certainly don't.

>>83327919
well played anon

I fully believe this show is literally a meta-commentary on the cultural reaction to LOST. Prove me wrong.

>yfw the finale opener starts
>guitar strumming
>EVERYBODY IS A-WONDERIN WHAT AND WEAR THEY ALL CAME FROM

>>83342116
>yfw the finale opener starts
>guitar strumming
>LITTLE BOXES ON THE HILLSIDE, LITTLE BOXES MADE OF TICKY TACKY

>season finale will be kevin convincing nora not to go into the departure machine.

No questions answered at all

>>83342287
no it will be nora going into the machine and kevin going after her, not learning fucking anything from his experience in episode 7 about being alone

OFFICIAL CHARACTER ARC TRACKER

Kevin............[ ]
Nora.............[ ]
Laurie...........[X]
Matt..............[X]
Tom..............[ ]
Jill................[ ]
Patti.............[X]
Kevin Sr.......[X]
Evie.............[X]

Who had the best arcs so far? I thought Matt's was kino

>>83341878
slow? kek

I'm not the one who watches things they don't enjoy

>>83342116
>yfw the finale opener starts
>dead silence

>>83342454
Matt was the best character, but his arc is not over, he's with Nora.

>>83342454
>jill
>implying she had an arc past season 1 or even is going to make an appearance again in season 3

>>83342524
I do enjoy it, you fucking mong. I just know that it's badly written. How are you not getting this?

This last episode was nuts, i really hate it is ending.

>>83342568

It's clear that Matt's actual character arc was finished in his episode though.

>>83342355
final episode:

>Kevin and his Dad go back to america, 2nd departure does not happen. Move on with lives.

>Nora attempts to use machine, gets money stolen and left in useless box, mind crumbles and she stays in australia still angry at Kevin. Moves on with life. Uses pigeons cos its australia and who cares.

>Matt returns, reconciles with wife, quits priesthood and continues a normal life as something regular like running a store or something.

>Kevin gets weird hallucinations of Patti from time to time, but at this point after seeing his father's delusion battle to save the world he concedes its inherited mental illness and gets treatment.

>Laurie did not kill herself, is in america with John and rest of family living normal life.

>pretty much everything just keeps ticking along, thee only things that were real were the emotions and conflicts, and the conclusion is the natural result of said conflicts.

end.

Everybody's wonderin' what and where they they all came from
Everybody's worryin' 'bout where they're gonna go
When the whole thing's done
But no one knows for certain
And so it's all the same to me
I think I'll just let the mystery be

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I don't think Nora gives a shit about anything but her grief. Did she love Kevin?

>>83342864
No. She is too consumed with getting closure.

>>83342864
She did. If we look back at the letter she was going to give him at the end of season one she loved him and wanted a normal life but couldn't get over the fact that her family disappeared and knew she couldn't give her whole self to Kevin. But then waynes baby came into the picture and they moved to miracle and all that she probably wanted to give it a try putting on a straight face the whole time.
Its obvious she cared about him and in another time and place might be able to move on but they tried to make it work too soon and Kevin pushed for that

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>>83329469
Yeah, this. Nora is an objectively terrible person, even little things she does like not giving Laurie's lighter back. She enjoys hurting people.

I don't get the whole "I fucked up with Nora" thing. She just willingly tried to evaporate herself without telling Kevin and with no thought for him. How exactly did he "fuck up"?

>>83328928
Same.

>>83343456
maybe he thinks he could have done something where she never would have considered getting vaped.

>>83341469
the wire

>>83343575
this, sort of.
Kevin had every opportunity to confront her about what she was really doing in australia, he clearly knew what was up in the episode where they had the fight and if he spoke up maybe he could have prevented her trying to use the machine but Kevin is a closed off person
Not saying Nora isn't a total fucking bitch for trying to abandon him but still, he could have done SOMETHING

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>>83342454
matt didn't have an arc. Hes just getting job'ed 24/7.

What's your favorite moment in the show thus far?

i'll go first

>"I killed you..."
>nope

>People ITT saying the other side isn't real
Why was the guy who got mauled by the lion the same guy in Kevin's ear piece even though they never met?

>>83343954
Kevin reading from the bible after killing Patti in season 1

>>83343985
the "god" guy said he had a twin brother who died in the cave

>>83343985
Yeah, but Kevin also literally saw Evie on the television.

The audience is seeing a distorted reality.

>>83343954
The well 'Jeopardy' scene was pretty great.

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>>83327806

Anyone notice Eve is also wearing an earpiece, possibly talking to God?

>>83343954
>Karaoke scene
>we fucked up with Nora
>or you have a more powerful adversary

>>83344131

DEEPEST LORE

>>83343985
Aussie God guy was one tv in the background in an earlier season with Kev in it.

other side is like a subconscious dream where Kev conjures up characters from his "real" life. There is Literally nothing that happens on the "otherside" which cannot be linked back to Kevins experience in one way or another.

Realistically, can we all agree

2 > 3 > 1

>>83344131

Looking cute in that pic, to bad about the nigger lips.

>>83344227
>In addition to his two appearances, Burton was mentioned in other episodes. In Season 2 Episode 1, Michael received a letter from the man on the pillar in Miracle. It was supposed to be sent to David Burton in Sydney, Australia.

>In Season 2 Episode 3, we learn more about Burton from a news broadcast on TV. The broadcaster talks about a resurrection claim coming out of Australia, where a man that witnesses said was dead came out of a cave in Wanneroo, just outside of Perth, now alive. Witnesses said he “walked out covered in mozzie bites, saying he’d just been in a hotel.”

Is there an instance before the first hotel visit we hear of David Burton?

>>83337991
>>>83328630
that didn't seem like the story of adam and eve to you? apple from the tree? bitten by a snake?

>>83340698
a brain

>>83333920
this. they shouldve developed more of the GR and wouldve liked for them to stay in mappleton for few more episodes or something

>>83344381

Is there an instance before the first hotel visit we hear of David Burton?

>>In Season 2 Episode 3, we learn more about Burton from a news broadcast on TV. The broadcaster talks about a resurrection claim coming out of Australia, where a man that witnesses said was dead came out of a cave in Wanneroo, just outside of Perth, now alive. Witnesses said he “walked out covered in mozzie bites, saying he’d just been in a hotel.”

How did the Australian nig know not to drink the water?

didnt they say at the beginning that they'll never explain what the departure was.
its like the illiad you get a tiny bit of the big picture but that tiny bit is also the big picture in its own self

>>83344381

Uh

you just named 2 instances?

>>83340698

1 is good. 2 is brilliant. 3 is mediocrity that is for some reason being hyped to hell by people caught up in the hoopla over it being the end.

>>83344531
David Burton was the main character in the 1977 Australian film by Peter Weir called The Last Wave.

>the local Aboriginal people seem to recognize the cosmological significance of these weather phenomena.

>Plagued by bizarre dreams, Burton begins to sense an otherworldly connection.

>Learning more about Aboriginal practices and the concept of Dreamtime as a parallel world of existence, Burton comes to believe the strange weather bodes of a coming apocalypse.

>The screen is filled by the shot of a towering ocean wave, though it remains unclear whether we are witnessing reality or sharing in Burton's final, apocalyptic premonition.

a Lindelof storyline simply a xerox of an old aussie film.

>>83327806

Can someone offer a justification for why this season is set in Australia?

>>83340698
season 1: motif on modernity and dealing with loss
season 2: some remaining deeper meaning
season 3: storyline cant seem to sit still. it feels like its trying to have an identity but can't season 1

So there was never a flood to begin with or Kevin stopped it?

>>83344745
muh tax credits

>>83344788

Season 3 feels so scattered and incoherent. I have no idea how people seem to be having emotional reactions to this season. Every episode just jumps around to another subject and the show is just being pulled by plot contrivances. It is so sloppy and jerky to watch. Lindelof just didn't know how to end it properly I guess. The show was so much better when it had a focus.

>>83344823

Seriously though

Why does Lindelof think it's not even necessary to create a good reason for the show to go to Australia? It seems so pointless and just convenient for plot purposes.

>>83344788
Thank you for actually giving me an answer

Later half of season 1 > Later half of season 2 > Season 3 thus far > first half of season 2 > first half of season 1

>>83344914
I guess they really needed Kevin to meet up with Kevin Sr in Australia.

>>83345027

You see what I mean though? The actual setting of Australia is of no significance. There is literally no reason that it is set in that specific country. Lindelof doesn't even attempt to ever characterize the setting, there's no sense of place at all in the way there was so brilliantly in season 2 and in 1 as well, albeit to a lesser degree.

Australia is just a plot point that is of no significance and that is used to no degree at all.

>>83342655
>I do enjoy it

see >>83340698
>I watched Season 1 and 2. Hated 1, hated 2 even more.

>>83343954
>What's your favorite moment in the show thus far?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pq3rse6e3fE

>>83344876
on their own each episode (season 3) is powerful and resonates emotionally with themes in 1 & 2.

as a collective narrative I agree its scattered and incoherent. There is no real thread to hold onto, no real end game to perceive, no over arching story, simply small character portraits and vignettes.

>>83345129
>83344676

David Burton and the old mans madness.

>>83345280

I wish I could agree with your first comment. The only episodes that I've really liked have been 1 and 4. I thought 7 was solid.

The show just has so little sensible internal logic as you have said. There is no overarching narrative to make sense of the progression at all. For me it is because the show has been so episodic that the characters haven't been given the space to really breathe and develop, to truly make us feel anything that isn't just based on the emotions of previous seasons. We've just caught glimpses of them and the show as a result has to make each episode seem so significant so they all seem to end in big character epiphanies that to me feel so false and forced.

>>83345333

You don't seem to be getting what I am saying.

I am saying that Lindelof could have picked any country at random. Why not Germany? Why not Thailand? Why not Canada?

There is no point to picking a country and then doing literally nothing with the setting at all. It just feels totally lazy and random.

>>83345387
perhaps, story wise the seasons would flow better being in this order:

S1-S3 and concluding with S2.

I feel like that would be the best watching order and I don't know but could even make sense since season 3 is so fucking loopy. I do enjoy it immensely but australia feels like a filler episode season.

>>83345387

The overarching narrative is that characters are trying to (each in their own way) find ways to cope rationally with an event that is clearly supernatural.
The supernatural part matters only in the sense that it is a way for the setting to force the characters to look at and resolve their inner conflicts.

They all go through a sense of losing their place in the world, with relationships disintegrating and them gradually becoming unhinged in a movement towards a cathartic resolution.

Lindelof obviously has an affinity towards this kind of storytelling since it is very similar to what happened in LOST, which was very character-centric with a vague overarching mysterious narrative.

Basically characters start acting extreme in the face of the unknown and have to reevaluate what they are really about and where they stand.

>>83345387
>We've just caught glimpses of them

you mean those half second flashes of previous episodes telling the audience what they're supposed to be feeling/remembering?

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that his slimeball used an unwell junkie to get this shit produced cause it would have happened otherwise is quite sickening to me.

>>83345643
>The overarching narrative is that characters are trying to (each in their own way) find ways to cope rationally with an event that is clearly supernatural.
>The supernatural part matters only in the sense that it is a way for the setting to force the characters to look at and resolve their inner conflicts.

These two comments could both be accurately used to describe season 1 and 2. Those two seasons still follow an organic progression that actually feels propulsive and coherent. The new season just feels like a grab bag of episodes that has a vague overarching conceit that in my opinion rarely works or feels resonant.

>>83345495

It's funny that we can agree on so much but still be far apart. I'm really having a hard time understanding how people seem to still be enjoying season 3 much, a few of the episodes have caught me checking the time every 10-15 minutes. Ah well.

>>83345280
this

but it's not a bad thing that it doesn't have an overarching story

>>83345670
Who? What? Why?

>>83345648

Those have been a particularly sloppy aspect of the new season. Just so lazy.

>>83345643
>ways to cope rationally with an event that is clearly supernatural.

Which is kinda idiotic as, ya know, nothing makes sense or is supposed to make sense and literally everything in the human experience is amounts to nothing more than attempts to rationalize away this incontrovertible fact.

Which means the show's entire premise is strained to the breaking point from the onset, and every episode since is just mounting absurdity.

>>83340080
to be fair, the characters in the show are also trying to find crazy ways to make Kevin actually Jesus.

>>83345960
and there's that whole fact he's proven he can't die multiple times

>>83345831
>ways to cope rationally with an event that is clearly supernatural.

hmm
>hire prostitute to shoot you.
>suffocate self with plastic bag.
>dogs are taking over the world
>pointless nihilistic cults.
>apocalyptic Abo song fix.
>teenage "whogivesafuckaboutanything" parties.
>Paranoid priests.
>Magic Black man.
>Kill self with poison cos reasons.
>finger paint oracle.

it goes on and on...I don't think "rational" is the word you are looking for.

>>83346027
Its a good thing I never said "rational" isn't it.

So is it pretty clear at this point kevin is delusional, judging by the fact that he was never able to bring back any information from "the hotel" that he didnt already know

-Couldnt get info about the kids shoes
-An excuse not to learn the chris sunday song
-everything he learned about patty he already heared from his exwife

>>83338180
This triggers me

>>83346398
pussy

>>83345131
yes and I've already explained that you can enjoy something you hate. God you're stupid.

>>83346672
You have mental problems m8 sorry

>>83346104
you're even stupider than the other guy

Why are Leftovers fans so dumb?

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>>83342116
This is what i am expecting

>>83344260
kill yourself faggot

>>83346104
opps replied to a reply.

my bad my dude.

>>83342116
>yfw the finale opener starts
>Bawitdaba da bang a dang diggy diggy diggy said the boogy said up jump the boogie

>>83346788
I think you really need to read >>83345831 again.

FAGGOTS WHO CLAIM THAT THERE IS NO MAGIC IN THIS SHOW AND THAT KEVIN IS JUST BONKERS HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN:

- KEVIN COMING TO LIFE 4 TIMES
- KEVIN SR. BREAKING INTO THE AFTERLIFE IN SEASON 2 ON THE TV
- THE EARTHQUAKE THAT SAVED KEVIN FROM DROWNING

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if the church wants so much to have atention why they dont make a ACTION religious movie with angels killing demons ala Diablo?

>>83343954

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fohOet_3XBc&t=70s

>>83347776

nobody is claiming that
if they are they're stupid

Stolen from the other The Leftovers thread that's floating around in the catalog (>>83347612):

>Everyone who was alive in the "other place" was dead in the real world, and vice versa (as evidenced by "other" Evie stating that the rest of her family was dead). Extrapolating from that, it's possible that the death of the other place meant the life of the real world. By destroying the other place, Kevin saved the real world (i.e. stopped the flood).

>However, from Senior, John, and Michael's perspective, the rain just stopped and everything continued as normal.

Is this a possible/satisfying explanation as to why there was no flood in the end?

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>>83347776
HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN NOT GETTING QUADS

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Post finale intro songs.

Unironically this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSUIQgEVDM4

>>83348110
It's gonna be Let the Mystery Be. It has to be.

>>83348174
That makes sense. I want this though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7gWyKm3mrc

>>83348110
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sku-1hqA5xw

you know he'll stick this in there somewhere

>>83348011

Yes but it still doesn't explain what happened to the departed.

I'm assuming they'll give us some sort of explanation in the final Nora episode.

>>83344531
if david burton came back to life in episode 3 how was he dead again by episode 8

>>83348110
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zgmvg-zzctI

>>83348445
also side note, when kevin was in the real world who was the president in the 'afterlife/parallel universe' when he crossed over did he just take over that body

>>83348445
Who said he was dead in episode 8?

>>83344676
Just mere coincidence. Sort of like the underlying point of the whole show.

>>83332193
>fade to black
>credits roll
>It ain't me starts playing

>>83348548
he talked to Kevin on the bridge and then again got him to sing at the bar in the following episode

even if you if follow the theory that your doppelganger is always there and when you die you just take over his body he still told him how to get back home

>>83348046
[penis intensifies]

[thud]

Why do people complain the show isn't like what they want it to be. Just stop watching it, just like if you were reading a book, you don't like that shit put it down. Take it for what it is ffs.

>>83343954
The hotel room fight and the immediate aftermath. The look on Kevin's face that entire episode was the pinnacle of what makes the Leftovers the Leftovers. That absolute look of defeat in trying to make sense of whatever the fuck's going on. The way he just accepts the fact that his father is magically there, shuts the fuck up, and just gets in the fucking van. That's exactly how real life is.

This show is like an AA meeting.

>>83340080
Just makes the point of people's natural tendencies to make gods out of anyone.

>>83347910
Are you dumb or 15 years old?