Is Starship Troopers the best action movie ever made?

the gore was ok too

>>83322997
nice balance of CGI and practical

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>>83322997
>Is Starship Troopers the best action movie ever made?

It's one of the best movies ever made period.

>Service guarantees citizenship

What's wrong with this again? inb4 some redditor repeats that it's suppose to be a satirical view of fascism. Doesn't make it any less of a good idea.

>>83322997
Sci-Fi action movie, yes. It shits all over the book though.

>>83324291
>fascism
>a good idea
There´s what´s wrong with your ignorant reasoning. Read a few books on 20th century history.

>>83324780
Didn't say Fascism. I said Service guaranteeing citizenship. In SST there is a difference between citizens and civilians.

>>83324780
>fascism
what's the book of fascism again?
oh right there isn't

>>83324291
>>Service guarantees citizenship
>What's wrong with this again?
the fact that you can die

>>83325619
The book says there are other ways of service other than the military branch and it's the persons prerogative to decline if they just wish to remain a civilian.

>>83324291
>>83324291
The book was not satire and layed out it's arguments in a concise and logical way - the movie was entertaining but ultimately lefty hollyjew comedy that bears no resemblance to the work

>>83322997
Starship Troopers isn't liked because it's good (I'd argue that it never even was), but because it's funny satire.

>>83322997
Predator and T2 are both better, imo.

Starship Troopers is great tho

>>83325915
Speak for yourself. I though Starship troopers was great. The Klendathu drop scene was GOAT.

>>83325855
then I see no problem

>>83322997
actually conan the barbarian is the best action movie ever made, but sst is up there

>>83325954
I think that's a very strange opinion to have, but okay.

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>>83326001
>I think that's a very strange opinion to have

I think you're opinion is the strange one. I'm doing my part.

If a more faithful reboot wasmade I'd see it. The 97 film is great tho and pretty redpilled, as was Heinlein. He's got so many great novels.

>>83325930
Predator, yes. Maybe T1.
>>83325954
Its in the trilogy of great drops along woth Aliens and Edge of tomorrow.

>>83325967
The book also says that if you provide no value elsewhere they'll go as far as use you as a guinea pig for testing weapons and shit. You can quit at any time but you'll never be a citizen :(.

>>83326249
What was the quote, again? They'll have a mute retarded cripple with no arms or legs count the dots on butterfly wings, if it means giving them a job.

To the Federation, being a NEET is one of the gravest sins you can commit. Everyone is doing something, everyone MUST be doing something.

>>83326249
When does it say that?

>>83326249
Many countries still have mandatory conscription or civil service. Only restricting the right to vote to only those people would be more beneficial.

>>83326249
>>83326314
I don't see the problem here

>>83326339
I'm pretty sure when Rico is being introduced to the idea of signing up and the different branches such as the MI are explained a bit.

>>83324291

If the purpose of man is to serve the state, and his life is forfeit to that cause, it's fine.

If the state exists to serve man, it's shit.

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Were all the sequels bad?

>>83324780
It`s not fascism. They tolerate those, who are different and offer a choice to people how they want to contribute to society. It`s a society for earners not slaves.

>It's fascism because i can't cheat the system and live off welfare and autismbux

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>>83325915
t. Arachnid

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>>83326142
>trilogy of great drops
Miscounted

>>83326782
You're right.

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>>83326617
2 is awful. 3 is ok cause its got Rico and the suits. The anime has punished Rico and this.

>>83326617
I liked them more, to be honest.

>>83326936
Might give them a chance, got no work today..

>>83326991
Really?

>>83324291
thats quite literally the definition of tyranny, but since you're unironically a fascist I guess thats indeed something you'd support

>>83327084
Yes. Especially the third one.

>>83322997
>stronk soldier gurls
its shit

The strange thing about Starship Troopers is how it's making a mockery out of fascism, but you /pol/istanians still like it.

>>83327090
>thats quite literally the definition of tyranny

>tyranny, noun, cruel and oppressive government or rule
Doesn't sound like it to me

>>83326358
why are military veterans better qualified to decide where tax budget goes than non-veterans?

>>83327127
>making a mockery out of fascism
By showing a perfect facist society and it being great? Yeah, that sure showed us.

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>>83327173

>>83327190
>He wouldn't want to watch live executions during monday night football halftime

>>83325619

If I'm not a citizen does that mean I don't have to pay taxes? If the answer is no then fuck off faggot. If I'm signing the government's paychecks every year then I have a say over how it's run regardless of whether I served in the military or not.

>>83327171
Because veterans know what the universe is really like and civilians say things like "I'll get you a holiday to zegama beach if you don't join the military" without realising it was already destroyed by the bugs.

>>83327190
Nice retort.

>>83326001

>he doesn't think the Klandathu Drop is iconic

Why are you even here if you hate movies? Is it the funny memes?

>>83327090
How? Sounds like you're exaggerating. Guess I'm a fascist then

>>83327127
It failed in it's intended purpose then

>>83327129
state is a construct with a monopol on violence and executing laws. in Federations case, laws still apply to you and you still pay taxes, but you have any say only if you participate in the apparatus of oppression. thats the "opression" part

>>83327211
>If I'm signing the government's paychecks every year then I have a say over how it's run regardless of whether I served in the military or not.
no you don't, you didn't fight to protect it
so it was given to you
you are priviledged

>>83325619
>wanting a bunch of chicken shit uninvested people to run your society

>>83325619
you could swing a broom on a dusty planet for a while. The dangerous jobs are for those, who want it. They actually try to talk people out of joining the troopers.

>>83327289
I feel it's more like when retards laugh with the people who are mocking them, because they don't understand the malicious intent.

>>83327127
The Starship Troopers world is a utopia for everyone that isn't a spineless liberal hippy dippy like you and your antifa buttchums, you just don't like it because you're too cowardly to gain any kind of political power which means you wouldn't be able to use it to bring down society to your degenerate levels.

>>83327211
do people that pay more taxes vote more?
do people with kids pay less taxes cause their kids don't work?

>>83327227
>Because veterans know what the universe is really like
so for example jarheads with high school education know better how to spend grant money for research in physics than physics professors? or know how healthcare system should work better than doctors and healthcare administrators?

>>83327319

>no you don't, you didn't fight to protect it

Nope, I paid to protect it- which is just as important. The military can't do shit if it's broke.

I've done my part.

>>83327171
Also, Heinlein argues that the military teaches you humility and placing the good of the collective before personal gain. Something that civilian life in the individualistic rat race lacks.

>>83327317
>apparatus of oppression. thats the "opression" part

Not him but your idea of oppression sounds subjective. You want a voice in the Federation? Do your part in it and become a citizen. Your tax dollars and it's laws still protect and ensure you get to lead a normal life as a civilian. I see nothing wrong with that.

>>83327356

Yes and yes.

>>83325915

it's both

>>83325915
It completely fails as a satire of the concepts espoused, all it does is add some minor over the top scenes and tone that serve as ad hominem attacks.

>>83327417
so the people that pay way more than you have more saying?

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>>83327211
>then I have a say over how it's run regardless of whether I served in the military

What would you do about it, civilian? That's a rhetorical question. You would do absolutely fucking nothing. If you are too chicken to join the military for two years, then there is no way you will become an insurgent and rebel. That's the genius of Heinlein's system. The military recruits the strong men before any malcontents can.

>>83327445
are you telling me billionaires voted a hundred times?

>>83327351
I feel like it's more that you're being a psuedo-intellectual who figures satire automatically equates to whatever ideas being mocked are automatically wrong by default.

>>83327441
so you take my money (and will use violence against me if I don't), but I have no say in how they are spent or what laws apply to me? sounds like extortion, which falls under opression

>>83327392
Yes, if you give control to out of touch liberals like that the budget goes to whatever will advance their personal interests with the rest going to dance classes for transgender negroes and teaching 3 year olds about buttsex, then the arachnids show up unopposed. Like what's currently happening.

In Starship Troopers however, everyone lives in comfort and peace thanks to the Veterans taking control.

>>83327171
They aren't but when people have to sacrifice potentially their own life or limb for the right to vote (of their own volition) it weeds out the shitty people who dont care about long term survival of the society (because they are happy just to be civilians).

>>83327490
do you defend mafias and gangs as well? because thats the same shit

>>83327227
>>83327352
The whole plot behind Starship Troopers is that the government/military machine instigates a war on false premises (much like certain other wars started by a certain other country), to maintain power and authoritarian control over the population - as well as create business for the weapons manufacturing industry.

Nothing like a bit of xenophobia and a false-flag attacking to solidify a fascist rule and implement martial law.

Reminder that the bugs lack the capability to actually attack Earth and the destruction of Buenos Aires was a false flag or at the very least the government lying to its people for an excuse to invade the bugs, who are intelligent and were only defending themselves.

>>83327540
>In Starship Troopers however, everyone lives in comfort and peace thanks to the Veterans taking control.
and the movies main theme is mocking state propaganda. do you belive that USSR under Stalin was a paradise on earth as well? because their propaganda sure depicted it that way.

>>83327531
What you pay ensures you're a civilian with rights and accommodations, healthcare and an education. Weird because extortion usually doesn't directly benefits the oppressed. Voting In STT is a privileged based on service. Makes sense to me.

>>83327211
You are operating under the delusion that violence is not the supreme authority.

>>83327560
People don't join the military (in the US, at least) because they want to protect society or whatever.
They join because they have no education, no marketable skills, and the pay (+benefits) is good.

Starship Troopers is unironically one of my favorite films.

>>83327560
I'd argue that scientists and doctors and artists and inventors and entrepreneurs do contribute as much to survival of society as jarheads, if not more

>>83327657
Nice conspiracy theory, brain bug.

>>83327621
The military had had control for hundreds of years, they didn't need to solidify control of anything

>false-flag
You didn't fall for that meme did you?

>>83327663
>and the movies main theme is mocking state propaganda
The interstitials are barely 5 minutes of the film, hardly the main theme.

And their world is a paradise, just look how everyone lives. Rico's family are all civilians too, so you can't even claim it's because they were ruling class.

>>83327733

Same here, wonderful movie.

>>83327580

Mafias are proto-governments. If the government is unable or unwilling to protect the people, then it is the right of the people to destroy it and form a new one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPTAjNVvrYg

>>83327752
doing something good is irrelevant you need people leading the society in the right direction
>>83327720
some do and dont, but as a whole of society an even greater percentage do not care about protecting society so you would still benefit by narrowing it down

>>83327685
>What you pay ensures you're a civilian with rights and accommodations, healthcare and an education
I remeber that one guy in the movie joined troopers because he wanted to go to university, and other girl joined to get permit to have a kid. so not really. also in that system you have no way of opposing if military would want to take your rights from you.

>>83327752
>artists

Not the guy you were reply too but come on now

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>>83327752
Yes, I'm sure if flatters your ego to think you contribute more sitting in a comfortable office making shekels for Mr. Jewberg than soldiers on the front line dying to keep the alien hordes at bay.

>>83327814
>doing something good is irrelevant you need people leading the society in the right direction
and serving in the military gives you better competences at that how exactly?

>>83327818
they give society cultural identity, most important fabric of society. if we erased all of literature from existance, you think society would not change?

>>83327778
>The military had had control for hundreds of years, they didn't need to solidify control of anything
They do, though.
That's literally how Rome was run.
You need to continually start new wars to keep aggression focused on outside parties, to avoid a revolt.

>flase-flagging
>a meme
I bet you think jet fuel can melt steel beams too.

>>83327853
>he thinks US wars aren't started and run on orders from Israel
Oh, the ironing

>>83327816
There is always a way to oppose, you just aren't willing to sacrifice, hence the whole point of the system.
>>83327855
Seriously this isn't complicated. If you have to risk your life to vote, you will filter out the people who dont really care about the society.

>>83327816
All the more reason that service is a wise choice. University is a privilege, just like real life. The child thing I agree with you on though.

>also in that system you have no way of opposing if military would want to take your rights from you.

You mean just like contemporary democracies?

>>83327853
I think that engineers designing their weapons contributed more to war effort than random replacable meatshields in infrantry, yes

>>83327920
Are you in the wrong thread? We're talking about Starship Troopers, not America, or Rome.

>>83322997
A parody can never be GOAT.

>>83327972
>I think that engineers designing their weapons
They're part of the military, genius.

>>83327914
Not saying they don't contribute. Just our priorities differ if you're saying they are as important as a military.

>>83327985
We are talking about how Starship Troopers depict our world in a satirical manner.
It is implied that the US has become an empire, and is close to reaching a totalitarian fascist state.
You must be pretty dumb to not have caught on to that.

why would you want to devote your life to a gang of thieves?

>>83327944
>You mean just like contemporary democracies?
in contemporary democracies civilians are giving orders to military through voting. iving under juntas never worked welll for civilian population in real life

I think soldiers are completely worthless people, to be quite honest.

>>83328078
ancap pls go (to somalia)

>>83327490
Imo the strong point of Heinleins utopia was, that both the tough guy and the "deep thinker" would be part of the system. There was no opposition to be destroyed like in a fascist system, because there is no need to have one.

>>83328037
without culture there is no society and nothing for military to protect

>>83328144
and they got rid of religion and money

>>83328109
what do you think would stop the military from taking over tomorrow?

>>83328109
But your argument is that if by fiat your rights were taken away from you by the military there would be no way to fight back. If the military in our countries decided to do the same you'd be in the same position, only less apt to handle it. In STT all you would have to do is join the Federation to have a voice, and training.

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Watched it just yesterday with some buddies. It still holds up and boasts not only a fantastic supporting cast of veteran character actors like C. Brown and M. Ironside but also has one of the last memorable scores in big budget action schlock. We haven't seen anything like it since and likely never will again thanks to Hollywood forever chasing the PG13.

If this track doesn't get you hype then you're an arachnid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIGHCoVzqtk

>>83328155
>without culture there is no society and nothing for military to protect

There would be society regardless of an absence of a lot of the arts. There would be no culture without the military defending it. Subtle difference and no where near equal importance.

>>83328155
>>83328342
you guys dont know what culture is

>>83328155
Liberals have a strong tendency to confuse what they'd like to be true with what is actually true. Societies don't require culture. e.g. every animal except humans.

>>83328372
They do, but you're starting to sound like you may be confusing "art" and "social norms", the latter of which has nothing to do with artists which was your original very stupid point.

>>83328372
Culture: the arts and other manifestations of human intellectual achievement regarded collectively.

>NEETs get triggered by the idea of people working to benefit their community

I'm not even surprised.

>>83328155
older artists? sure? new ones? no, they damage society if anything

>>83328468
>being a soldier
>working
kek

You only become a soldier when you're worthless to society.

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>>83327127
>lets mock """"fascism"""" by showing them doing the impossible of uniting humanity and advancing so much that they're colonizing the galaxy

wow you really showed them

https://youtu.be/cUpUKAs_IGA

>>83328436
>using postmodern definition that has nothing to do with it's real meaning
try:
>the attitudes and behavior characteristic of a particular social group.
art is only culture in the sense that what you produce is reflective of cultural norms. Culture is basically nongenetic information passed from society to children so religion, art forms, values behavior etc.

>ITT: Edgy /pol/s thinking a satirical depiction of a dystopian society is actually utopian
/pol/ was a mistake

>>83328685
spot the commie loser

The book absolutely shits on the idea of modern democracy, it's glorious.

>>83328615
So you're saying Canada and Australia has a culture?

>>83328428
But every human society has a culture you fucking mongoloid. Culture gives national identity by which people feel obliged to protect. But I guess you're too retarded to see that

>>83328685
>edgy

Do you tumblr kiddies think this word has any power here?

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>>83328275

>mfw Alex Jones uses this song whilst on air.
>mfw The Alex Jones Channel has the best soundtrack

>>83328737
Australia yes, canada not much national culture no, but the groups within do yes. Not having a culture would still be culture, just one that only robots could maintain.

>>83328787
>tumblr
Been here since 2007. Never been to tumblr.
Cool opinion, homo.

>>83328812
Any idea what that new synth style opening is?

>>83327621
>much like certain other wars started by a certain other country

In the entire history of humanity, only the United States of America has started a war under false pretenses.

>>83328816
What's Australian culture? Crocodile dundee and drinking VB? They're the same as Canada.

>>83328767
>But every human society has a culture
So? That doesn't mean they're required, and there was a point when we didn't. And nice of you to ignore the fact that animal societies don't have cultures.

>Rest of your post
Why are liberals so hateful? I thought you guys were all about peace and love and cockcages.

>>83328873
calling everyone a cunt and posting blacked porn I think.

>>83328844
>Been here for a decade
>Calling things edgy unironically

What else do you find dark and provocative here Tumblr kiddie?

>>83328869
Of course not, but that's the obvious main point of comparison, seeing as it's all US culture with a sprinkle of fascism.
Are you literally too dumb to understand that?

>>83328844
dont lie faggot

>>83328275
GOAT soundtrack the same guy who did Conan

>>83328914
There's nothing "dark or provocative" about being edgy.
Being edgy is just thinking you're cool because you have an opinion most people would hate you for. You tie your online identity to being "different" and "hardcore".

>>83329001
meanwhile you are crying like a faggot about someones opinion

>>83328918
All nations throughout history have started wars under false pretenses and its absolutely ridiculous to try and single out the US in that regard.
(and since you're so childish you can't post without a petty insult I'll add):
Are you literally too dumb to understand that?

>>83322997
Die Hard, Predator, and Starship Troopers are extremely tight.

>>83329001
>There's nothing "dark or provocative" about being edgy.

That's literally what it means though

>Being edgy is just thinking you're cool because you have an opinion most people would hate you for. You tie your online identity to being "different" and "hardcore".

That's some tumblr tier shit you just posted lmao.

>>83329024
You too?

>>83329078
Well, that's of course another point the movie is making, but it's angled at current world events, with the US at the center of attention - Seeing as it is the main empire today.
Why are you even arguing against that?

>>83328585
>I would rather be drafted than have someone else voluntarily join the military

Smart.

>>83329078
The difference is the US wars only benefit people not paying taxes.

>>83329146
>but it's angled at current world events
Release date: November 7, 1997

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>>83329001
Get a load of this faggot, online identity? Nigger do you know where you are. Namefags are mocked and we don't have your karma system here.

>>83327090
retard alert

>>83329149
>drafted
>for wars in afghanistan and other deserts with no relation to our country
Yeah, that would never work.

>>83329146
>DUDE I CAN AD HOM YOU AND TRY TO SHUT DOWN DISCUSSION BUT IF YOU CALL ME OUT ON IT YOU'RE CRYING LOL

>>83329194
In a historical perspective, that was yesterday.
US international politics haven't changed since the 90's.
You're still just invading third-world countries to keep the war machine going, even if the main antagonist (the USSR) is gone.

>>83329227
>drafted
>for wars in Vietnam and other shitholes with no relation to our country

Should I list the other times the draft was implemented?

>>83329227
This sort of shit is why nobody takes you seriously, you'd be the civilians whining that you don't get the right to vote out of one side of your mouth and decrying the war on the bugs out of the other because you have no real-world experience. You yourself are a living argument in favour of the Starship Troopers world.

>>83329256
If you say ad hominem enough you'll probably win the argument.

>>83329295
>Vietnam
>not a perfect example on why drafting doesn't work for these kind of profit-driven wars where no one actually knows what they're fighting for

>>83329324
There would be no war on the bugs if the military fascist government hadn't made it happen through a false-flag attack.

>>83329346
>implying you are even capable of producing an argument
this is literally why we are posting to each you fucking moron

>>83329279
So the movie was critiquing the "war on terror" that didn't even exist for another 4 years? How prescient.

I'm sure the audience also appreciated their critique of a war that didn't exist.

Not to mention it openly promotes fascist futurism which is a big no no today in (((hollywoood)))

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>>83324291
>What's wrong with this again?
Why would anything be wrong with that? Welcome to the mobile infantry son, they made me the man I am today.

>>83329385
>false-flag attack
No it wasn't

>>83329385
>not eliminating an existential threat while you have the chance

>>83329437
wtf I hate free health care for veterans now

>>83329453
Of course it was.
Why would the bugs fling a meteor at earth? It makes no reason, and they had no technology to do so.

>>83329346
Over half a million men were successfully drafted and fought in Vietnam. Its a perfect example that you can in fact draft people to fight in an unpopular war.

>>83322997
It was absolutely great.

The sequels were actually passable, as well. The second one had some decent horror and the third had a total qt in a military uniform and tights who spent most of the movie being adorable.

>>83327621
>The whole plot behind Starship Troopers is that the government/military machine instigates a war on false premises

Stop lying. That wasn't even in Verhoeven's failed satire. Just your personal fan fiction.

Hey anons, did anyone of you read the book?

A big part of Starship Troopers that was left out in the movie was the hypocrisy that rich people could pretty much buy their way out of military service and become a citizen, it's why Rico's parents were so shocked about him joining.

It's all well and good saying that serving the country in a military capacity should be a requirement for voting but if rich people can get out of it or influence the top brass to give their kid a comfy desk job in the service the whole system is meaningless.

>>83329385
>fascist government hadn't made it happen through a false-flag attack.

Not him, but that's been dispelled in the behind the scene of sequels. When they landed on Klendathu they had no idea the bugs could shoot plasma out of their asses for an an anti aircraft bombardment. They later learned the brain bug existed and was very strategic and it was eating peoples brains and learning about earth and our defenses. That's why those plasma ass bugs directed a meteor at earth with their asses. Buenoes aries was not an inside job. You're a literal bug apologist. Civilian too probably.

>>83329508
how did the bugs have the ability to throw a asteroid at earth accurately?

>>83329437
You can serve without entering the military branch, bucko.

>>83322997
It's better than any Star Wars movie.

>>83329557
his parents don't buy their way out in the books. His dad has no interest in being a citizen and wants rico to go into the family trade. He flips after he loses his wife on buenos aires.

>>83329504
>Why would the bugs fling a meteor at earth?
To kill humans

>and they had no technology to do so.
Bug plasma, and they were either knocking them through a wormhole or somehow accelerating them fast enough to join one as you see in the scene where one hits Denise Richards' ship

>>83329578
It doesn't have to be that accurate if you fire enough of them

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>>83324780

>>83328372
only reason why artists are important is because artists tell you they are important. nothing would change if every "artist" was deported today

>people un-aware that facism is totally incompatible to people as a whole and progress

the perfect totalitarian facist state is north korea

truely the perfect state.

>>83329694
people don't even understand the satirical undertones of the movie.

>>83324780
like which ones?

>>83322997
starship troopers and the 5th element were two of the best action/sci fi movies ever made.

>>83329694
>The perfect example of thing I don't like is the worst one
What a coincidence

Why are they more perfect than Nazi Germany, or Starship Troopers? Don't you recognise you're the worst possible judge for this question?

>>83327127
Because it fails as a polemic, and achieves the opposite of what it's mean to, if anything.

>>83329801
>more perfect than nazi germany
they survived longer than them
>starship troopers
the norks survive in the real world not on the silver screen.

>>83329801
if you know anything about north korea you would know that the way it works and the way the top stay in power is the example of the perfect totalitarian system with almost no room for dissent and uprising.

Nazi germany was filled with flaws and was based off germans being superior, the jew boogy man and the threat of the slavic subhumans at the gates.

starship troopers had their rebels and their undesireables with the bug boogyman

>>83329694
Fascism by definition is right-wing authoritarian. North Korea is Stalinist era far left wing authoritarian. A more apt analogy would of been Nazi Germany.

>>83329755
Keep telling yourself this, /r/antifa, but the truth is we get it, we can see the funny faces Verhoven is pulling in the background, we just don't think that made the society look undesirable or constitutes any kind of argument against a military dictatorship.

Reminder that the bugs are a metaphor for Communism/Islam.

>>83329922
no because in the beginning NK was their own weird communism

but it isnt anymore. the black market and personal capitalism is actually thriving behind belief, but the way the state and the politics works is maximum facism.

even china is more of a communist state now.

>>83329694

The Federation isn't totalitarian though, they have elections and there's also a system whereby the higher up in society you are, the harsher your punishment is if you commit a crime or fuck up.

>>83329968
The black market is only tolerated because people would literally starve without it. They still come down on it when it comes to DVD's and other shit that propagates Western ideology. North Korea still advocates class warfare and replacement of the individual and family structure with state communist dogma. Even if they are hypocritical and clearly have hierarchies and a despot and don't follow a lot of the old ways, it's perfectly appropriate to say it's the best example of a pathological garden variety Stalinist type regime of the far left. It becomes corrupted by virtue of it's rhetoric and promotion of it's state dogma. It's still not right wing.

>>83330046
it's more totalitarian than current society.

Verhoven ran all the way with the society, the book at least lets us see the difference between regular civilians and citizens. Rico becoming commissioned when he is on leave is a great example of character evolution

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>>83328685
The book wasn't satire though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIsv1YOFNys

Still adore this song

>>83330122
while you are right to a degree, i would argue that it is no-where like the communism as stated by marx, stalin, lenin, mao. It is a peusdo communism designed and made to force the kim family to be in power.

you work and do everything you can for the "state" but really, the "state" is the kim family. anyone who threatens the "state" is dealt with.

in the beginning it was very much like stalinism and communism as a whole but now its just a facist state where you serve the kim family and never question and never deviate from the state's rules and state ideology.

it is really more like national socialism. You work and die for the state, not the people. even soviet union you worked to "help the people"

il-sung is so desperate to keep power the grip he has on the people is un-heard of even by other states like nazi germany, soviet union etc

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>>83330353
comfy

>>83327531
Why should the Federation allow you to have a say regarding its processes if you do nothing to benefit its continued existence?

>>83330373
>but now its just a fascist state
What do you think fascism is, does the word even have any concrete meaning to you? NK is not fascist in any particular way.

>>83329968
>>83330373
>Communist argues that x isn't true communism because it failed
Like a broken record

Why was Carl made a Colonel just because he was psychic? That doesn't in itself make him a competent military leader

>>83330323
the book was written at a time when everyone was supposed to get drafted. He argues against one of the then most core tenets of citizenship in that saying that people who aren't motivated to fight for their state should not be involved with it's policy.

>>83328735
Commies are fascists

>>83330512
it's kinda funny because in the book they specifically don't give military ranks to specialists like carl.

Military intelligence would require you to be a somewhat high ranking officer.

>>83330459
okay ill admit i was using the incorrect word, i should have been using dictatorship. it isnt facist. but it is a dictatorship, but is not cummunism. at least not anymore.

>>83330464
originally it was a version of communism, it isnt anymore, it has been shifted and edited to just keep the kim family in power.

also, im not a communist, im quite center.

>>83327621
>>83327657
>>83329385
Verhoeven said himself on the DVD commentary that the bugs sent the meteor.

>>83330679
>but is not cummunism. at least not anymore.
Communism is never communism because communism doesn't work.

>>83330594
Her hair is so nice

>>83330373
The definition of fascism is an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization. Korea is not right wing. Drugs are perfectly legal, so is abortion, they promote class warefare and their propaganda tries to illustrate old Communist worker imagery. They are authoritarian, but when you say it's no-where like the communism marx and lenin advocated for, you're still wrong. It is the logical conclusion of what happens to a state when communist dogma is enfoced by fiat by replacing the family structure and promoting class ware. It is exactly like the communism advocated for by Stalin and to a lesser extent Mao but still comparable. The individual is simply not valued by rhetoric of it's "all in this together" Communist talking points. There will never be such a thing as "True Communism™" because what you see in North Korea is Communism taken to it's logical closure point. I, like others don't judge a pathological system on what it's ideologues profess it to be, but how they act. For all intents and purposes, it's Communism.

>>83326636
>It`s a society for earners not slaves.
It´s a society run by the very sort of people who should never hold a position of authority.

>>83330512
why do we give butter bars to kids straight out of college?

>>83330735
i guess i should have been more clear about why it isnt anymore

on a very basic level of cummie, is the state is the people and everyone works to better the state and therefore the people

nobody works for the people in north korea, they work because they have to because they are scared shitless, and their work keeps the kim family in power. so the Kim family is the state.

in an ideal world everyone would live in a perfect happy communist society like star trek but it doesnt work like that so communism never works.

fun fact, kim il sung is still the president of north korea. even though hes DEAD.

>>83330834
>who should never hold a position of authority.
Why shouldn't they?

>>83330872
Lieutenant with leadership 101 is fine, he has a sergeant to keep him in line while he gets to grips with the job

Making some ferret raping cunt straight out of boot a colonel and giving him authority to send invasions to alien worlds with dodgy intelligence is not

>>83326358
>Only restricting the right to vote to only those people would be more beneficial.
That would essentially remove the franchise from women in those countries. Good luck with that.

>>83330930
Women can still serve, not all military jobs are combat related you know. The Military still require are large amount of logistics support personnel.

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Everything Heinlein predicted came true. Everything. The West is in the final stage of universal democracy.

“To vote is to wield authority. It is the supreme authority from which all other authority derives, such as mine to make your lives miserable once a day. Force if you will! The franchise is force, naked and raw, the Power of the Rods and the Ax. Whether it is exerted by ten men or by ten billion, political authority is force.

To permit irresponsible authority is to sow disaster. To hold a man responsible for anything he does not control is to behave with blind idiocy. The unlimited democracies were unstable because their citizens were not responsible for the fashion in which they exerted their sovereign authority, other than through the tragic logic of history. The unique 'poll tax' that we must pay was unheard of. No attempt was made to determine whether a voter was socially responsible to the extent of his literally unlimited authority. If he voted the impossible, the disastrous possible happened instead and responsibility was then forced on him willy-nilly and destroyed both him and his foundationless temple.”

Robert Heinlein, Starship Troopers.

>>83331039
Then where's my power armor?

>>83331039
>americans literally voted for the impossible.

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“‘Bread and Circuses’ is the cancer of democracy, the fatal disease for which there is no cure. Democracy often works beautifully at first. But once a state extends the franchise to every warm body, be he producer or parasite, that day marks the beginning of the end of the state. For when the plebs discover that they can vote themselves bread and circuses without limit and that the productive members of the body politic cannot stop them, they will do so, until the state bleeds to death. Or in its weakened condition the state succumbs to an invader. The barbarians enter Rome.”

Robert Heinlein.

>>83331083
exoskeletons are being researched.

>>83331094
but rome fell because the state wasn't able to remain solvent as the barbarians had moved in and severed rome from it's grain producing centres and spanish gold mines. Citizenship in rome when it became expanded just meant that the peregrini would have to enlist in armies and fight

>>83331039
>>83331094
I-It's just satire r-right?

>>83331129
None of them are for other planets

>>83331177
>rome fell because the state wasn't able to remain solvent as the barbarians had moved in and severed rome from it's grain producing centres
Which by itself is neither here nor there except populism had promised so much food for the poor in Rome that the situation became difficult. Gibs and degeneracy. Rome deserved to die.

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>>83331083

>>83330930
Patriarchy is the norm.

>>83329637
>I have no ideo about the the distances involved in interstellar travel and the accuracy needed to calculate an exact trajectory

Yeah just throw a bunch of rocks in space, one of them is bound to hit them.

>>83329922
>Fascism by definition is right-wing authoritarian. North Korea is Stalinist era far left wing authoritarian.
There exists no meaningful distinction between "right wing" and "left wing" authoritarianism. You lick a boot or you don´t, it´s as simple as that.

>A more apt analogy would of been Nazi Germany.
Stalinist Russia, Nazi Germany and Maoist China shared interchangeable core societal values. "Left wing" and "right wing" are political buzzwords with no meaning.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faFuaYA-daw

SMELLY DUMB BUG SCUM

>>83329509
I know I'm late but I read it so much it practically became my bible.

>>83325855
Actually, the book does not, which was one of the big arguments against the system proposed.
Heinlein later stated that he meant there to be some civilian service, as well, but it's no where in the book.

>>83331494
I love the boot camp scenes.

>>83331439
>"Left wing" and "right wing" are political buzzwords with no meaning.
Economic authoritarianism versus economic liberalism. It's all pretty simple. It only falls apart when people try applying the terms to social issues.

Starship Troopers is in universe propaganda following the end of the Klandathu conflict. You are watching it from the perspective of a non-citizen on television.

Everyone who matters is beautiful in the film.

>>83330046
>and there's also a system whereby the higher up in society you are, the harsher your punishment is if you commit a crime or fuck up.
The general simply resigns after leading 100 000 men and women into a hopeless ambush, while the murderer is executed on live TV. In short, the higher ups in ST were no more accountable than the higher ups in contemporary societies.

>>83331541
I love the second round of that when he learns to be an officer and realizes how hard work it is.

>>83331439
What? It's a matter of categorization. The whole frame work is different. Put a Nazi in North Korea and I sure as shit bet you he could find the meaningful distinctions.

What's all this people in power bullshit the commie is trying to push. in the movie people are relieved of command right and left and get promoted when needed.

>>83331563
Did you find it funny how Starcraft Broodwar referenced those tv news flicks in the terran campaign cutscene, then three third movie referenced it back in the end movie propaganda scene?

>>83325954
>that music
>Diz giving Rico a thumbs up
>remember your training, and you WILL make it back alive
>THAT MUSIC
>how badly everything goes to shit immediately afterwards
Goddamn what an unironically epic sequence.

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>>83331563
>Everyone who matters is beautiful


>ywn have that jawline
;_;

>>83331623
>joins up to become a citizen and vote
>becomes an officer and denies himself the ability to vote
Whats the difference between and civilian and a citizen son

>>83331777
Why can't officer's vote?

>>83326782
Sauce?

>>83330908
>Why shouldn't they?
Because they actively seek it, fervently crave it and lust for it to the degree where they´d risk life and limb to acquire it.

The most benevolent, cautious and considerate rulers are never too eager to excercise power over the governed for fear of overstepping their mandate. Reckless endangerment and gross mismanagement of state authority is to be expected in societies that promote the political careers of careless and heavy-handed individuals.

The best governance is the one that governs least.

>>83331810
Cant vote while enlisted and becoming an officer is a 20 year commitment iirc

>>83331777
>contribution to society

>>83331824
farscape

>>83329922
North Korea is as fascists as it gets. It`s about what they do with people, not right or left.

>>83330438
>What are taxes

>>83327211
You have to earn the right to exercise political authority. Something that is given has no value.

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>You will never have this camaraderie with the mobile infantry

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmUIfX9TSJs

>>83331777
Who cares when you can go to the secret club planet and get lewd lapdances from sexy scientist girls?

>>83331869
That's not how Fascism works. You can't just call everything Fascist because it's authoritarian.

>>83331933
>this video is not available

fucking government

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“With national governments in collapse at the end of the XXth century, something had to fill the vacuum, and in many cases it was the returned veterans. They had lost a war, most of them had no jobs, many were sore as could be over the terms of the Treaty of New Delhi, especially the P.O.W. foul-up, and they knew how to fight. But it wasn’t revolution. It was more like what happened in Russia in 1917, the system collapsed. Somebody else moved in.

The first known case, in Aberdeen, Scotland, was typical. Some veterans got together as vigilantes to stop rioting and looting, hanged a few people (including two veterans) and decided not to let anyone but veterans on their committee. Just arbitrary at first, they trusted each other a bit, they didn’t trust anyone else. What started as an emergency measure became constitutional practice in a generation or two.”

Robert Heinlein, Starship Troopers.

The next time a democrat mayor orders police to stand down, the Oath Keepers should storm City Hall and take over by force. Remove the mayor from power and restore order. Better veterans take over the streets than muslim, antifa or BLM terrorists.

>>83327465

Yeah, they do. "The rich man has no stake in his country" etc.

>>83331750
Just remember that CVD got made fun of IRL for being that handsome when he was in high school.
>>83331701
The only thing I have consumed related to Starship Troopers was the first film by Verhoeven and the RTS video game. Thank you for the suggestions.

>>83331039
Heilein forgets one key element inherent in all societies, including modern "democracies": the plebs vote for the candidate best supported by the most resourceful percentile of the population. The vote grants no political power at all to either Americans, Federation Citizens or those abstaining from voting.

Change is enacted primarily through civil disobedience, violent revolt and propaganda. Your vote counts for nought.

>>83331832
plato pls go

>>83332046
The RTS bugged out on me, but I loved the fuck out of the FPS one. If you don't hate the genre, give it a try. It's the movie combined with Halo.
>That scene on Fortress when you lead a charge uphill and the Drop theme starts playing

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>>83332046
>made fun of IRL for being that handsome
I didn't even know that was possible

>>83330512
Bugs raided his research station and killed him in the book.

>>83322997
>cgi still holds up
Fuck you
Still a good movie tough

>>83332174
That doesn't explain why he was a colonel

>>83332164
Haha you're way too handsome.
I'm gonna pull down your pants.in front of everybody and slap you on the ass.
Just bullying haha

>>83324291
In the movie not much. I've been told the book is even more blatantly satiracle

>>83332192
For 97' they did a damn good job

>>83332203
It was better explained in the game. Basically the psichics had the need sometimes to order anyone around for various reasons they couldn't explain because it was top secret. It's solved easily if they are a high rank.

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>>83332241

>>83331563
only thing that ruins this idea is some of the inconsistencies

the "propaganda" angle would fly a lot better if that opening scene was interuptted by the network early to conceal the horrors of war. Also there's some weird shit like showing people get ripped in half but censoring a cow getting killed by a bug.

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Is the animu any good?

>>83331832
>Because they actively seek it, fervently crave it and lust for it
so do politicians, at least military members will have experience and "know how things be"

You can look at it as one evil versus another evil. I would rather have the requirement of service to society for citizen ship. Even then its still a Democratic system but just with only certain people able to vote.

>>83332450
>not terraformars

c'mon son

>>83332257
maybe you should read it because it's closer to a fascist manifesto than a work of fiction

>>83331832
>they´d risk life and limb to acquire it

Good for them. I can live with ambitious people as long as they prove themselves.

>The best governance is the one that governs least

You sound like a libertarian. What's your favorite saying? "Don't tread on me." You put it on flags, bumper stickers, t shirts, memes, etc, etc. "Don't tread on me." Here's my question. Or else what? Democrats have tread on us, America and the Constitution for decades now. What the fuck have you ever done to fight back? Absolutely nothing.

>>83332450
The few action scenes are good but otherwise it's completely different. I can't recommend it that much. Watch the CGI series instead.

>>83330512
because he told them to

>>83332734
fair

There has never been real Fascism, it has never been tried

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>>83332079
>Change is enacted primarily through civil disobedience, violent revolt and propaganda. Your vote counts for nought.

Votes of armed citizens always count. The strong will always beat the "civil disobedience, violent revolt and propaganda" of pajama boys.

>>83332819
>he thinks his militia of hamburger eating 300 pounders are going to enact real revolution.
lmao

>>83332755
There was never real communism either.

>>83322997
you forgot
>Dizzy

>>83332900
as long as we have food it cant be real communism

>people literally don't get the satire besides the obvious DO YOU WANT TO KNOW MORE stuff

Is this board full of 12 year olds?

>>83332560
>Starship troopers (the book)
>Anywhere close to being a fascist manifesto

Pick one.

>>83332879
Is that why the government turned with tail between their legs in that second pic.

>>83332952
the book wasn't a satire

>>83332952
You know like 10 other people have made this post right

>>83332969
wait, Bundy won?

holy shit I thought he lost and it was all swept under the bed

>>83332971
The book was way more critical of the portrayed government and military than some of the nazi fetishist in here seem to believe.

>>83332969
yes, just like the government lost the civil war and state's rights were enshrined

oh wait.

>>83333108
>the civil war was an insurgency

Someone clearly doesn't understand the purpose of the second amendment.

>>83333108
I don't see how your example proves your point. If you knew what you were talking about you would know that the South came pretty close to winning before the tides were turned.

>>83332951
Stupid capitalistposter.

>>83333228
because the union didn't play to their advantages and wanted large set piece battles.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvAsR4O4W0w

Season 2 when ?

>>83331832
I don`t think they had a leader cult in the book and the government did not oppress the people. They pursued threats like the skinnies and arachnids, because they have to. Some (not all) paid respect to a statue of a leader before a pod drop if I remember correctly.

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>>83333265
*buys your favourite starbucks order and doesn't share it*

Nothin personell commie

>>83333276
but still, it wasn't a all powerful supreme government crushing a militia of hamburger eating fatbodies

>>83333363
I know you are just trolling and know how is it, but in actual communism you could get that and menu for free.

>>83333278
Ricos shit taste is so pleb tier. Why was rico such a cuck for Carmen when Dizzy was 100x hotter

>>83333363
someone call the NKVD these guyys are hoarding more than their share of chromosomes.

>>83333440
>wanting that curly haired mexican

>>83333406
it was when they unleashed their better resources.
2nd amendmentfags think that they with their semiautomatics and rebel spunk will take on a very highly militarized police force and the most advanced military the world has ever seen.

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>>83333425
Woah the power of communism. Sounds legit.

>>83333440
>you'll never have sex with your corporal while your whole squad and your lt. is standing outside the mating tent and clapping

>>83333494
rico's mexican too.

>>83333544
Dizzy was made corporal, who was her squad leader?

>>83333494
Yes. Carmen literally cucked Rico and she's aloof as fuck.

>>83333563
rico was. Their previous NCO got her hand burned

>>83333563
Fuck I need to rewatch the movie. And I don't have the dvd on me. Fuck.

>>83333513
Its the fact that a highly militartized police force and advanced military the world has ever seen would have to actively fight their own citizens with in their own country.

>>83333639
they are going to happily do it because it's their job. Your cute little "kill the libruls" crusade will be over and you will either going home or a pinewood box you dumbass.

How about you try voting for a change instead of masturbating to your guns.

>>83333570
did she even sleep with xander?

>>83333639
>american
>most advanced military ever seen
Lol!

>>83333757
It was implied

>>83333757
She probably gave him a blowjob senile everyone else on the bridge was ordered to "focus on their monitors with maximum concentration".

>>83329437
The whole point of making crippled soldiers recruiters in the book was to discourage the weak-willed.

Starship Troopers Book > Starship Troopers movie

>>83333775
well they gotta be putting all that bloated MIL somewhere.

>>83329557
>t. didn't read the book

>>83333873
The moment in the book where Juanito reads Dubois' letter and hears the bagpipes for a moment before realising that he has crossed the hump is extremely poignant

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>>83333708
>they are going to happily do it because it's their job. Your cute little "kill the libruls" crusade will be over and you will either going home or a pinewood box you dumbass.
Have you ever served? Or even talked with someone who has?

>>83333775
nigga

>>83329901
>jew boogyman
>boogyman
this guy
>threat of slavic subhumans
The threat was communism, which proved itself to be much worse than the Nazis could have ever been.

>>83333918
the movie is not based on the book.

>>83333967
Yeah it's based on your mom's and your sister's sexy adventures with me.

>>83333966
>communism=despotism with leader cult
Even will this meme end?

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>>83331832
>people who work hard and are committed shouldn't be allowed to get what they want, as we all know it's better for non-committed pansies to be in charge
Literal slave morality.

it's bizarre to me how many people in this thread are pretending to have read the book by getting every single thing about it wrong.

>>83334074
it really wasn't you dumbass.
It was an old script that verhoven started directing and someone told him that the premise seems similar to Starship troopers.
Then he got bored because the book was too boring from him.

>>83334204
Hey come on now, the bootcamp was awesome.
The brawl with the sailors was neat and showed how much rico and his mates had changed.

>>83331083
>power armor
Those are pretty cool. Book is from 1959. Maybe that`s where the idea for mechs comes from.

>>83334256
>sailors
You mean the civil hooligans? Did I miss an epic two layer joke?

>>83333425
>in actual communism
Right, after you get off your personal unicorn and high-five a leprechaun on the way into the shop?
>Hi, I'll have half the menu right now. No, I can't pay for anything or contribute back to your losses, but I NEED all this food
Communism, ironically, is heaven for fatties on paper, and hell for fatties in execution.

>>83333965
>permission to land like a delicate butterfly
>permission granted
>...
>that was nice

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>>83333967
>all the same characters, premise, and title
Verhoven didn't read much of the book because he was "muh fascism sucks" and "reading is hard" but the film was based on the book.
>>83334176
The meme will end when human nature ends, you sad little faggot. Friendly reminder that class is a spook.

>>83334343
So I guess you don't actually know what communism is? It's clear that the human race is not capable of doing it, but if we could, it would be better than anything else.

>>83334312
I thought they were in the merchant marine and wanted to rough the MI boys up.
got fucked up in hand to hand combat

>>83331420
i dont believe they mention it in any of the movies, but the main bug that rules them all is super smart and is controlling the human leader so with that info lets just say they used human math to find a way to get the rock to hit earth.