Do we agree with this?

>movies only exist after 2000

Fuck off idiot underage pleb

>>83211995
Yes
>inb4 buttblasted /v/edditors

>>83211995
Of the 98 theatrically-released capeshit films I've seen, I have Logan at number 8, The Dark Knight at number 10 and Spider-Man 2 at number 35.

Replace Spidey 2 with Spidey 1 and I agree.

Raimi Spider-Man was extremely comic-booky, unlike realism Batman and oscar bait Wolverine.

The only capeshit I've enjoyed is Under The Hood

I do.

>>83211995
I would add Man Of Steel.

>>83212004
What would you add? 1989 Batman?

>>83212072
Fuck you

>>83211995
True. But if we were to talk about Capekino it would be Watchmen, Man of Steel and Batman v Superman.

Nah, it'd be The Avengers, The Dark Knight and Spider-Man.
Top 3 highest-grossing capeshit films after inflation.

>>83212099
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnb9Kx-E-0s

Wowwwww! Yeahhh!
Man Of Kinoooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
They will join you in the Sun!!!

>>83211995
Batman Begins is better than the Dark Knight

For me, it's The Incredibles, Batman Begins and Sin City, the best capeshit movies.

>>83212207
Both are better than Spiderman 2 and Logan so who cares

>>83212237
Nah, best three are Superman, Dredd and The Incredibles, in that order.

>>83211995

Replace Spiderman with Dr. Strange and its good. Because there is actual acting that can match/come close to the other 2's level in the Disney-Marvel-verse. With Spiderman its hard to really follow in a non capshit sense.

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>comic books aren't real
>this isn't fantasy, this is reality!

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>>83211995

Corrected list:-

1. Watchmen.
2. Er ...
3. That's it.

>>83211995
nah,watchmen,blade,sin city would be in my top 5.
its a normies chart

>>83212338
Blade is capeshit? Now i can never watch that movie again.

Yeah. Spiderman 2 is perfect.

>>83212326
>Watchmen
>good
>for people who don't like capeshit

pick zero

>>83211995
>two marvelkek shitflicks
>no capekino at all
I'm on to you.

I know literally no one who doesn't like Iron Man 1 or Watchmen. I known people who don't like Spiderman 2. Fix that OP

>>83212237

Sin City isn't really capeshit. If we're including all movies based on comics/graphic novels, then the only answer is A History of Violence.

>>83212367
well,its based in a comic and the dude has superpowers,its not like we are talking of blue is the warmest colour LOL.

Blade instead of Spider-Man

Swap Spider-man with Batman Returns

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>>83211995
That's some literal 10/10 taste my dude.

>>83212376
>(you)
>having good taste

it's already been chosen for you

>>83211995
Spider-Man 2 sucks, while the first one was decent

The Dark Knight actually isn't very good and parts of it don't make any sense unless you LOL TURN UR BRIAN OFF DOOD

Logan? I would never see this piece of shit.

X-Men: First Class > All 3 of those

>>83212414

So, A History of Violence, Edge of Tomorrow and Ghost World? Fine by me.

>>83212004
Rekt

>>83211995
The genere is for 3 audiences:
boys age 8-16 (mindless consumers who forget the movie as soon as they leave)
nostalgic grown men (who are always disappointed)
brain-dead chinese peasants (arways happy to see newest horrywood movie show)

>>83212513
>LOL TURN UR BRIAN OFF DOOD

>>83212534
Edge of Tomorrow is based on a light novel though.

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>>83212386

>>83212567
Nailed it.

>>83212004
>Implying there was good capeshit before X-men
>Implying Capeshit was even a thing before X-men

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Couldn't make it past 40 minutes of Logan
Inane mindless violence, boring visuals and character. A case like Deadpool of people thinking that vulgarity and violence equates maturity.

Spiderman 2
Dark knight
Hellboy

>>83212695
I approve this

>>83212326
This

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>>83211995
Get some fucking taste you walking human garbage

>>83212679
>Implying it wasn't the violence wasn't a comment on the capeshit genre
>Implying that the grotesque violence didn't explain why Logan was so jaded and cynical
>Implying watching Wolverine cut people up in a realistic manner isn't awesome
back to your mumblecore indie dramas

>>83212695
this is definitely more accurate. i didnt watch logan because i havent watched capeshit for years

>>83211995
Where the fuck is The Incredibles?

Days of future Past is kino

>>83212022
Sounds like a shit list. Post it and convince me otherwise

>>83212937
It's just an IMDb deal so I'm not going to write out the entire thing but this is the top 10:

1. 1978 Superman
2. 2012 Dredd
3. 2004 The Incredibles
4. 1989 Batman
5. 2008 Iron Man
6. 2005 Batman Begins
7. 2002 Spider-Man
8. 2017 Logan
9. 1993 Batman: Mask of the Phantasm
10. 2008 The Dark Knight

>>83212326
It's still fucking bad but it's so far ahead of everything else so it counts.

>>83212876
>grotesque violence

But it wasn't
Even though it was bloody it had no impact because it was so quick and thoughtless
When the indestructible girl massacred the mercenaries it became tedious

What comment does it make? That nameless goons bleed? Okay, make it like Peckinpah and have them writhing and screaming as their guts fall out, not a quick cut and then a cutaway for the next slice of merc tartar. It was just as sterile and tasteless as the arrow scene in GotG 2.

I guess moviegoers weaned on violence with no blood at all might think it's special. But it's handled the same way.

>>83212879
Neither have I, but it's still a decent film on it's own.

BvS and MoS are the only capeshit worth watching, and they're not particularly good.

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>>83213002
>Watchmen better than TDK

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Logan is great, but I prefer DoFP

>>83212976
Why don't you like spiderman 2

>>83212976
>Logan > Dark Knight
shit list

>>83211995
I dislike capeshit. I disagree with OP. I would instead put:

1. V for Vendetta
2. Watchmen
3. Split

So are we still pretending Logan wasn't a piece of shit?

>>83213079
Apparently so, just like with Dredd and Fury Road.

>>83213084
This is probably the worst opinion anyone has ever had.

>>83213079
>logan has a story as bad as other capeshit
>"but dood it's grim and dark and has gruesom violence and drinking and cursing, it's kino"

>>83213116
Stop watching shitty comic book movies you mental infant.

>>83213050
I do like it, I think it's a solid 7/10 movie. It's good.
My two big issues with it are the love interest and the pacing.

Mary-Jane's characterisation across the film is extremely poor, both in comparison to the original film but also confined within this one. In the first one you can appreciate that she's in an abusive home and wants to feel safe so latches onto the popular guy at school and then the rich heir, but in this one she's a complete fucking cunt who treats Peter like shit for the entire film, finds out he's Spider-Man, then goes back to her astronaut boyfriend and takes it doggy-style for another few days until she's finished being a whore and leaves him at the alter to run to Peter and fuck him while still in her wedding dress meant for the other guy.

Then, one of the film's most important elements is Peter giving up being Spider-Man then deciding that's a mistake - but this doesn't occur across the movie. From his dumping of the suit in the alley to taking it back from Jameson's office, only fifteen minutes of screentime pass. It's atrocious.

Again, everything else in the movie is pretty fine. It's just a little overrated in my opinion.

>>83213084
Fury Road is actually kino though

>>83213212
that wasnt a very funny joke.

>>83213226
Facts aren't usually funny

>>83213248
they are when we live in a retard world full of retard people with retard sensibilities

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>>83212662
>Implying capeshit wasn't a thing before X-Men
>What is Blade, for $400
Fuck off idiot underage pleb

>>>83211995
Only the first half of logan was good. It turned to shit as soon as the shitskin kids played a bigger part in the movie. Replace it with unbreakable

>>83211995

Spiderman 2 is a movie for little kids and I don't know why people suck it off so much

I mean it's good for a capeshit movie but you can't enjoy it as just a regular thriller like TDK or Logan

>>83213310
See this? This is a man who knows his movies. Zack Snyder alone knows how to elevate capeshit beyond its natural station.

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Hellboy is best comic book movie of all time

fight me

>>83213371
Hellboy 2 is better.

>>83213150
Fury road doesn't quality as a comic movie, stop being a faggot.

>>83213411
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mad_Max:_Fury_Road_(comic_book)

it literally is a comic book movie both in design and spirit.

>>83212662
>Implying Capeshit was even a thing before X-men

What is Richard Donner's Superman series?
What is Tim Burton's Batman?

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>>83213377
No Hellboy 3

FTW

>>83212172
The fact there is a youtube channel dedicated to reactions of movie trailers, most of which is normie tier shit, is probably one of the more depressing things about humanity.

>>83211995
Logan sucked

>>83213448
I'm well aware of that existing, but it literally is not a comic book movie. Did you even read the fucking article? It's a prequal comic that came out after the movie did. Stop being a faggot.

>>83213481
Fuxkin' this

>>83213496
You are so fucking dumb holy shit

>>83212662
X-Men came out in 2000.
More capeshit was released in 1997 than in 2001, 2002 and 2003 put together.
The same can be said of 1995, 1994, and 1989.

X-Men gets far too much credit.

Old spiderman was not capeshit

>>83212662
>Implying there was good capeshit before X-men

Blade is a hundred times better than X-Men, motherfucker.

>>83213519
lmao. good argument cunt. how ass blasted are you right now?

>>83213439
>What is Richard Donner's Superman series?
>What is Tim Burton's Batman?
Better capeshit. Just because it's good doesn't mean it's not capeshit, not to mention they aren't even the beginning of capeshit. That, dear anon, started a loooooong time ago in a fantasy land far far away in the year 1952. WEW lad.

>>83213562
not at all, you sound like you're fuming though.

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>>83213595
>n-no you

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>>83213614
FUMING

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>>83213630
>implying

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>>83213595

>>83211995
no, stop it with the Logan meme

>>83212386
im curious what youd suggest?

>>83211995
Batman 89
Blade
Punisher(all 3)
Watchmen

>>83211995
swap the dork knight with B BEGINS and ur gtg

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>>83213648
>>83213647

is dredd considered capeshit?

>>83213778
no it's just considered shit

>>83213778
Nah, that's edgeshit.

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>>83213726

1. The dark knight
2. Captain america: the winter soldier
3. Spider-Man 2

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>>83212843
>no Darkman

>>83213470
At this point, it's for the best. The conclusion would have just disappointed.

>>83212976
Seems like a great list to be honest.

>>83213057
Dark night was boring. Mediocre film with too many fan boys.

>>83213448
>Mad Max: FR
>May 15, 2015
>Mad Max: FR (Comic Book)
>May 20, 2015 - August 5, 2015

>>83211995
Logan and Dark Knight, sure.

Spiderman 2 is literally the quintessential superhero movie. It's the most genuine, heartfelt superhero adaptation and not just an otherwise mediocre movie from another genre with superhero branding all over it.

>>83213840
Dayman was better

>>83213164
Peter dumped mary jane before norma osborn's grave in the first, he left her when she needed him the most. Pf course she's gonna be cunty after that. Also
>spider-man movie
>he drops the sm identity to pick it up afterwards after we're again made clear of the great power comes great responsibility slogan, Parkers ground rule
>ONLY 15 MINUTES OF HIM NOT BEING SPIDER-MAN IN A 1 HOUR AND 40 MINUTE SPIDER-MAN MOVIE

What were you expecting, a Tarkovsky? Movies are meant to be watched and appreciated within their context. Also why do you post your list and samefag bait in every superhero thread

>>83212976
okay that's a good list.

>>83212976
Very solid list. Only one I'd swap is Iron Man for Watchmen, and since I haven't seen 1978 Superman I'm going to go ahead and call Toxic Avenger B-movie capeshit and add that there.

>>83212401

iron man is 2 tryhard edgy 4 me

spiderman 2 sucks but the game is the best

How is Spider-Man 2 above other superhero movies? It's not. Not at all. It's not a deconstruction. I would put Watchmen in TDK and Logan's class before I would put Spider-Man 2, and I don't even like Watchmen.

>>83213479
Blame the Finebros.

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who /blade/ here

>>83214081
I post the list fairly often but I haven't samefagged at all.

>>83214081
>you need to lower your expectations
this is the single worst argument anyone on a film board can make

No. Raimi's Spider-man movies are no different from any other capeshit.

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The best super-hero movie is RoboCop (1987)

>>83211995

How about BvS / Watchmen / Dredd

I'm really confused by this thread. So is capeshit good or bad or...

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>>83214212
>Birdman

>>83214279
What's up nigga?

- Blade

TDK is over-rated. Take the joker out and the rest of the movie is just mediocre.
I unironically think either Watchmen or Cap America 3 should be in that slot.

>>83214407
capeshit isn't even a genre.
It's literally just movies based on comics.

It's like using the terms "bookshit" or "theatreshit" for movies based on those media.
Guardians of the Galaxy and Logan are not the same genre. The Dark Knight and Deadpool are not the same genre. Etc.

capeshit can be good or bad. It just depends on how it's made - like literally any other movie.

>>83214459
>Cap America 3
If you mean Civil War you deserve to have your card revoked

>>83211995
Replace spiderman with Dredd.

>>83214450
classic crazy snipes

>>83214459
>Take the alien out of Alien and the movie is mediocre!
>Take Hannibal Lecter out of Silence of the Lambs and the movie is mediocre!

Boy, this criticism sure is retarded.

>>83214081
>>ONLY 15 MINUTES OF HIM NOT BEING SPIDER-MAN IN A 1 HOUR AND 40 MINUTE SPIDER-MAN MOVIE
>1 HOUR AND 40 MINUTE
It's 2 hours and 15 minutes, mate. How hard is that to Google?

>>83211995
i liked most of them as comics, and think
SM is decent, but the other two is suffering edgy shit

>>83214459
>take the best character out of a movie and the movie gets worse
woah

>>83211995
The Wolverine>>>>Logan

>>83214491
Cap 3 is a masterclass in direction. That movie has no right being as coherent as it is while juggling so many balls.
Compare that with TDK where you literally are just being bounced around from scene to scene
>Oh now we're at a hospital. Oh now the joker is at a party. Oh now he's burning a big pile of money. Oh now he's blowing up a boat. Oh now Batman is shooting bricks to get a fingerprint.

>>83211995
>trinity
>there are 3 movies

>>83214477
>It's literally just movies based on comics.

No it's not. Capeshit is based on capeshit comics. This is why comic-readers also use the term capeshit. When they do they're referring to the inane drivel pumped out each month that's about caped heroes fighting caped villains for years and years with nothing changing except maybe this time the caped heroes are fighting non-caped heroes.

From Hell isn't capeshit, it's just a horrible adaptation. The Road To Perdition isn't capeshit, it's a good movie based on a good comic.

Don't talk about shit you don't know anything about.

>>83214610
Work on that bait, it has potential but it's still too raw

>>83214595

There is absolutely nothing that The Wolverine does better than Logan. The Wolverine is Logan-lite. Even the "R-Rated" version is watered down in comparison.

>>83214610
It has probably the worst action direction in any major blockbuster since the last Nolan movie
The "conflicts" are contrivances with superficial results that are immediately reversed. The whole "consequence" of the movie is overturned when RDJ reads cap's letter and smiles and winks at the camera. The whole movie is an overblown empty exercise in mindless conflict. The palette is disgusting, especially for a "comic book movie", the framing is tv-tier, there's NOTHING going on with the lighting, the performances vary from Snark to Tony Snark, overall an unenjoyable experience. And now the Russos are going to be rushed through the next two Avengers movies and I have a feeling they're going to be as bad and bloated if not worse.

Nolan sucks as well.

Logan sucks dick and Dark Knight is only popular because of le crazy method acting man

I like Spiderman 2 but its not a great film either

>>83212976
>1. 1978 Superman
this was THE capekino

>>83214634
Different anon but capeshit is any film featuring superhero or based on a comic-book. This was decided years ago. Welcome.

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>>83212172
>the teddy bear
>the woman with a mulatto child
can't decide which is better

The /tv/ Holy Trinity
>The Dark Knight Rises
>Spider-Man
>Man of Steel

>>83213456
those werent capeshit, they were movies with capes

>>83211995

Yep, anyone who disagrees with this is an autistic retard. It's nice to see there's finally a third movie that can compare to Spidey 2's greatness.

>>83214407
capeshit = bad
Examples of capeshit are The Avengers, Ant-Man and Doctor Strange.

capekino = good
Examples of capekino are Watchmen, Man of Steel and Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice.

>>83214634
I think my point stands; a film featuring a superhero doesn't necessarily share its genre with all other films featuring superheroes.
The Road to Perdition, to use your example, has much more in common with, say, Batman than it does with Deadpool, no?
The feel of a film determines its genre more than a cape.

No.

The Shadow. Black Mask. Defendor.

>>83214911
>or based on a comic-book.

Yeah, because Road To Perdition, A History Of Violence and Oldboy has totally been referred to as capeshit for years.

Capeshit is superhero shit, or stories that take their cue from your general bland superhero story. Not any story adapted from a comic.

>>83215046
Wow, did you just get here yesterday? Lurk more, kid.

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>>83215046
>>83215018
>>83214911
>>83215083
BvS is a meme
using capekino is cancer
everything based off a comic is capeshit
this is the law. this is the will of /tv/
stay pleb

>>83215059
Road to Perdition was good for about the first half hour

Then it turned to shit aside from one or two scenes

>>83215180

Why the fuck did you reply to me? I said nothing about BvS

>>83215059
Batman has more in common with Road To Perdition than Deadpool, but it handles those things just like Deadpool does. If Road To Perdition was a capeshit movie then the kid would gain superpowers and use it to fight crime rather than deal with the emotional trauma and moving away from a life of violence.

Batman and Deadpool has a whole lot more in common than either does with Road To Perdition. Instead of showing the journey of dealing with the trauma the trauma just sets the character up so that they can get superpowers and punch a lot of people while wearing a stupid costume. That's why it works to lump them together.

>>83215180
This is accurate.

Oldboy is capeshit. BvS is capeshit. 300 is capeshit. Unbreakable is capeshit.

Capeshit doesn't automatically mean bad.

>>83215250
>Capeshit doesn't automatically mean bad.

Nobody is even arguing that.

The only good capeshit is Watchmen. The comic

>>83214459

>take out this integral character to the plot and the rest of the movie is just mediocre

Great input.

Here's a (You)

>>83215280
Sandman>Watchmen

Hey guys, comic book aficionado here. xD

Avengers: Age of Ultron, Ant-Man, and Iron Man 3 are my top 3 "best" (all comic book movies are really the best).

>>83215238
The plot of a film doesn't determine its genre, though.

Spaceballs, plot-wise, has much more in common with Star Wars than it does with A Million Ways to Die in the West. But it's still nore sinilar to the latter than the former, obviously.

Saying The Crow deserves to be lumped with Guardians of the Galaxy because they both feature super-powered protagonists and are based on comics is ludicrous.
The way a film aims to make its audience feel while watching, that's the kind of movie it is.

>>83215180

If by meme you mean masterpiece then yes.

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>>83211995
Why are shills trying so hard to group logan within the same vein as the dark knight? as though it wasn't fucking garbage like the rest of the marvel movies?

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>>83215468
The Dark Knight Rises is a masterpiece. BvS is Martha-tier shit.

>>83212513
Best post ITT, capeshitters yet again trying to pretend they hate capeshit while simultaneously shilling for their favourite capeshit movies

1. Batman vs Superman
2. Watchmen
3. Man of Kino
4. Logan
5. Skwad
6. Spiderman 2
7-8. Punisher 1989,2004
unwatchable tier: everything else

Loganfags are so fucking cancerous Jesus christ

>>83215391
I mean, yeah, obviously. I just don't count Sandman as capeshit, ignoring the few mentions of superheroes. It's way too... Mythological.

There might even be some other Superhero comic out there that tells a better story(plot and art-wise) than Watchmen, but I sure haven't read it.

>>83215472
The bluray is coming out so expect shilling for a few months

>>83211995
Nah, Logan was shit

>>83215416
The Crow and GoTG are obviously different. That's why movies can be described with more than one genre. Action movies are not the same as Action-Thrillers or pure-blood Thrillers. Similarly capeshit-sci-fi isn't the same as capeshit-horror. Genres are only there to narrow the field down a bit before narrowing it down further. With a capeshit genre you can generally narrow it down to a selection where most of the movies have the same story-structure and comparatively light atmosphere. Then you narrow it down further with the Sci-Fi or Thriller labels.

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Genuinely curiously, but why do people like Spiderman 2 so much? I saw it a long time ago, but don't remember much. From my experience, /tv/ typically likes the gritty and dark themes in superhero movies, so what the fuck is Spiderman 2 doing here? It seems so out of place with The Dark Knight and Logan.

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Blade
Dredd
Hellboy

fite me nerds

>>83216402
It takes the themes seriously, it plays off one of the better characters from the spiderman franchise and does the generic superhero model efficiently without making a joke of itself. The real question is why anyone thinks batman vs superman is good, are you people just memeing...

>>83213076
Watchmen is total shit though

Replace The Dark Knight or Logan with Unbreakable.

What's the best superhero theme?

Is it Superman's?

>>83216750
Batman1989 for me
https://youtu.be/eQAm7eZr920

>>83212386

>Made by Sony, Warner and Fox
>marvel

You dont know what ur talking about dunkey brains

>>83216811
The slightly reworked version for me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAG_7Ky4FY4

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>there are still people who think that Adam West isn't the best Batman

Everyone agrees that Watchmen is better than Logan right? I mean, those who aren't shills

>>83214644
Logan just had more gruesome action which was probably the only good part to watch in the movie. But I lost interest in the whole thing with killing off all the x men off screen, them putting the family in danger. And basically killing off every single character we cared about and tried to make us give a shit about the mutant kids.

Wolverine had a better story and conclusion. And was a much better stand alone movie. Logan I can appreciate more if I just pretend that it is completely separate from the rest of the x men movies and is in its own universe

Logan
Unbreakable
John Wick

>>83217093
no

I actually really really liked Logan and I think it's a great ass movie. It's one of my favorites now, next to Aliens and Fellowship

I still liked Watchmen, but I prefer Logan myself.

>>83213897
>too many fan boys

This is the real reason people hate anything good.

>>83216573
>The real question is why anyone thinks batman vs superman is good
If you don't know by now, you're either new or willfully ignorant. The reasons have been explained so many times.

>>83217093
The death of Hollis Mason was better than Logan.

But the movies were going for such entirely different stories and way of telling the story that you can't really compare them. Watchmen had great parts but Logan is a more solid flick.

>>83216750
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pQYtmb-f0w

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>>83212103
>Man of Steel and Batman v Superman.

>>83211995
If you don't like capeshit you won't like Spiderman 2. Logan is good for capeshit, but kind of normal for other styles. The dark knight is the only obe that's mostly just a crime movie.

>>83211995
TDK is shit. Spiderman 2 is god tier. Logan has a cool first half and a "mediocre Xmen movie number 8" second half.

All capeshit is trash save Raimi and Burton. Fucking plebs need to take you're flicks back to rebbit and fuck off

>>83211995
I'd probably swap out Spiderman 2 for 1978 Superman, or one of the Tim Burton Batman films or something that everyone knows.

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>>83217169
>them putting the family in danger.
>mfw people genuinely don't get what the movie was trying to tell with that and complain about it everywhere
>mfw people are genuinely too stupid to understand a capeshit movie that doesn't explicitly spoonfeed everything

It's like saying you lost interest because of how Kane acted in Citizen Kane.

>>83211995
TDK is weird. It's a solid 7.5-8/10 but it got lucky by having one of the greatest acting performances of the last 20 years

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>>83217089
Right, old chum. Those people are flat out bananas.

>>83212976
>no spider-man 2
pfff

TDK is shit. It's ledger smacking his lips every other scene in the most overrated, fedorable performance outside Fight Club and Nolan doing a terrible impression of Michael Mann. SM and Burton kill Nolan's shitty garbage.

>>83212023
this and tdk with batman begins

>>83217593
>Compares TDK to Fight Club
Your opinion goes right in the garbage
>Dislikes Ledger's Joker
YOU HAVE TO GO BACK

>>83217672
You do know liking heath ledger is literally as reddit as it gets?

>>83217776
Why exactly do you say that? Ledger's Joker is actually smart

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>>83211995
> No Watchmen
> No Unbreakable
And I'll whisper, "No."

The only decent superhero movie is The Spirit.

>>83217832
>smart
uhh... no. It makes no sense and it's edgy as fuck, tailor made for emo teens like you probably are

>>83217494
I'll admit I'm stupid and I don't understand the meaning. Can you help me out?

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>>83212004
Name one good capshit before 2000

ONE

>>83212103
True

1. Watchmen
2. Batman Begins
3. Spiderman
Honorable mentions:
Road to Perdition, Oldboy, Ichi the Killer

>>83217908

Blade

>>83211995
Add 2003 Hulk

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>>83212843
>Capeshit
>No superhero movies

>>83217672
Ledger and TDK are the kings of Rebbit fedoraism.

You just tipped your hat about as hard as you can, m'gentlesir.

>>83217873
>Not smart
He is literally the ideal terrorist. He sends the city into utter chaos with almost no money at all. He knew that Batman was used to facing "human" villains so he became an animal. You can't say TDK Joker wasn't smart.

>>83211995
Batman Begins is the best superhero movie of all time and it's not even close.

>>83218008
>he sends the city into utter chaos
and how is that ideal? what was his point? his endgame? the "because he's insane, he wants to watch the world burn" is the most pathetic kind of villain

>>83217832
>ledger's joker is smart

This is literally the posting equivalent of unsheathing your katana, slicing up some water bottles, resheathing it, then tipping your fedora before looking into the hauwei smartphone your mother is steadily recording this with, and emitting "nothing personnel, kid."

>>83218059
The chaos itself wasn't the point, he wanted to show that the people Batman was protecting were no better than the guys he busted every night. He also turned the most moral man in Gotham into a murderous psychopath, kinda proving his point.

>>83218133
and for what reason? what end? A true villain would have a greater motive than "hurr batman is bad, i'll show you", like.. eugenics, world domination, getting awfully rich, or something.
Also, two face "turning" was also horribly handled. Forced as fuck.

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>>83217984
dosent count

>>83213326
t. Moviebob

>>83217832
>Ledger's Joker is actually smart

Except he's actually not. Nothing with his plan should have worked. And since he was written as a character who DOESN'T have a plan it makes even less sense when he's obviously setting up an intricate plan that shouldn't have worked.

Joker's only smart because he's got magic off-screen powers and the old making-everyone-else-retarded power.

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This was good

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>>83218066
t b h

>>83217264
I'm new, guess I'll google it or something. Lex was one of the worst I've seen and the whole conflict was pretty forced and nonsensical. Why wouldn't superman just save his mom, it'd take a literal second. Why did they bother putting wonder woman in the movie, did she serve a point that the other characters didn't? Why did they bother with doomsday was it just so they could have a big fight at the end?

>>83211995
>>83211995
Cap 1 and 2, if they like him so much they can watch civil war. I'd put Batman begins over TDK.

>>83217672
Not really on topic here, but the scene where he meets all the mobsters is way better than the interrogation scene. If anything, THAT scene showed off Ledger's acting better.

Spider-Man
Bateman begins
Watchmen
The 3 watchable capeshits

Not sure about Dark Knight.

Other two are good choices. Logan and Spiderman 2 are some of the only capeshit I've ever watched that had any sort of emotion.

>>83218480
>watchmen

>watchable

Pick one.

>>83218550
Most capeshit has emotion, so that's a terrible reason to like a capeshit movie.

>>83217902
It's to show that Xavier is no longer Xavier. He's no longer a hero saving families, he's just a scared and tired old man suffering from dementia and acting selfishly to get one good night even if it puts a family in mortal danger(either he knew or his dementia kept him from knowing, same thing either way). Logan is similarly not the hero he used to be. He doesn't give a shit anymore, he doesn't act to save people. He just moves along without choosing his own way like he did as a hero, to the point where Xavier telling him he wants to stay the night with the family just makes him stay the night with the family, despite knowing that it puts the family and them at risk. Because he's so used to just not giving a shit about anything and just moving with the flow.

Without that part the movie would have just been about two old superheroes being heroes, which wasn't the story they were telling.

>>83217494
Literally the same exact thing happened to him in x men origins wth the old farm couple. Why would we need to see that again

>>83217672
My only problem with Joker is that he's basically Morrison's Joker, which is an incredible character, but none of the build up. So it's really good, but missing a lot.

>>83218595
That actually makes sense. Thanks.

>>83218480
Watchmen is a copy paste, better recommend the manga.

>>83212976
Not bad, other than Iron Man.

>>83217908
Superman

>>83211995
this movie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XenEPPIP9Yk

>>83218583
>Most capeshit has emotion
False.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUsssa6ArAY

Go ahead and try to post a scene remotely comparable to this from modern Marvel crap, that so perfectly captures heroism, selflessness and sacrifice. You can't, because capeshit isn't about heroes anymore, it's about brand names and meaningless big budget action sequences with nothing at stake.

>logan
lel not with that third act it isn't. Watchmen or Donner's Superman need to go there

>m-marvel will surpass this anytime soon y-you'll see
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNXohNU3tWo

>>83213039
Should be the first Superman.

>>83217987
Only one fucking person gets it

>>83218426
Here are a few good threads. Mostly the long posts are worth reading.
https://archive.4plebs.org/tv/thread/80376783/ continued at https://archive.4plebs.org/tv/thread/80388020/
https://archive.4plebs.org/tv/thread/80057887/
On the creative process of BvS: https://archive.4plebs.org/tv/thread/80265239/

They might not change your opinion on the film but they should give you an idea as to why people think it's good.

>>83218595

Why did he help the black father with his water problem then?
Why did he stand up to defend the black father against the white farmer?
Why was he at first so adament to decline the black family's invitation until Xavier stepped in?
Why did he smile when he was driving a bunch of partying girls in his limo and saw them enjoying themselves?

The notion that Logan was some uncaring asshole is a false one. He does care. His internal dilemma however is he cares more about Xavier at this point than anything else but he also knows Xavier is a demented fool who brings him and others into trouble, so while struggling with this dilemma, he at times tells Xavier to shut up and at other times pities him and concedes to Xavier's wishes. Now, the real reason he conceded to Xavier's wishes to accept the black family's invitation is shown in the horses' scene, where Xavier manages to control them and bring them to safety. This act gave Wolverine hope that it might do Xavier good to hang around the black family some more. They needed a place to stay the night at anyways, why not try to make the most of it instead of going to an area where they might easily be spotted like the casino/hotel they stayed at earlier. He of course didn't know by then his enemies had a way to track them down with the other mutant. If you remember at the start of their escape, the bad guy told Wolverine he had disposed of the mutant in the same way they wanted to dispose of him.

>>83218889
le this

>>83218426
>Lex was one of the worst I've seen
Lex's dialogue was kind of forced and overly melodramatic in some places, but there are some really great themes and ideas in his speeches. I personally don't have any problem with Eisenberg's Luthor, but I understand why someone would.
>the whole conflict was pretty forced and nonsensical
Um, no. At least, not if you've seen the Ultimate Edition, which I'm assuming you haven't.
>Why wouldn't superman just save his mom
Because a) he didn't know where she was and b) even if he did, they'd kill her as soon as they saw him.
>Why did they bother putting wonder woman in the movie
>Why did they bother with doomsday
These I wholeheartedly agree with. Wonder Woman and Doomsday were hype generators and ultimately useless to the story.

>>83219194
Good points, mate. I suppose it's wrong to say that Logan doesn't care, but I do think a big part of him is just going with the flow a lot of the time. If it was Wolverine then I think he still wouldn't have stayed with the family even if it might do Xavier some good(I hadn't actually thought of that angle), because Wolverine would be too paranoid and just assume they had some way to track them. Logan didn't have that kind of spark left in him and so relented.

Either way, I think we can agree that the scene served a good purpose and shouldn't be mocked because "why did they suddenly become stupid and endanger that family, that's not what heroes do!" like I've seen(not in this thread) many posters do since it came out.

>>83219230
I can see elements of Lex's conversations being okay but a lot of it came off as fedora tipping 'I hate god because I'm not better than him' which is pretty similar to canon Lex so point taken.
The point about superman not knowing I can believe but no one is going to see him if he doesn't want to be seen the man can move across the world in seconds. I didn't see the ultimate but sounds like it might be worth it. I'll trust you anon...

>>83211995
Replace Wolverine with Cap, ever Wolverine movie before Logan sucked

>>83211995
>agreeing on things
Go back to r*ddit

>>83219641
Good thing Logan is the movie he picked then eh?

>>83219592
He is a fedora tipping atheist. The movie makes fun of the kind of edgy kid who blames the same God he doesn't believe in for being bullied/Stacy not noticing him. In the end, Superman saves Lex from "fists and abominations", proving him that he was real and good.

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>>83211995
Logan was uninteresting, and Begins > TDK so no.

The ideal and only correct capekino trinity is
;

>Spider-Man 2
>Guardians of the Galaxy 1
>Batman Begins

nah, theres 5

ang lees hulk
batman returns
batman begins
watchmen
captain america: the first avenger

>>83219684
>all he thinks about is reddit

You need to go back

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you fucked up hard OP smdh

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Make way for the absolute GOAT

>>83219954
Which is better, Blade or Blade 2?

>>83212072
Definitely

>>83211995
I would add Blade to this list desu
Massively under appreciated

>>83212022
A+ on the the incredibles its pure Nocapekino.
Where is darkman on your list?

>>83212976
What about Blade? I'd put blade 1 above logan for sure. But I didn't like logan much.

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>>83211995
>The Dark Knight
Sorry, but I enjoyed a lot more Batman Begins.

>>83211995
I agree that Logan is capeshit for people wo don't particularly like capeshit. I was disappointed.

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Yes that list is true. Most capeshit, like Winter Soldier, make me fall asleep from boredom

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>>83217593
careful not to cut yourself on that fedora