Who was in the wrong here?

The space invaders

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Nobody. The slut was getting exactly what she deserved.

>>83004620
She literally did nothing wrong because they wiped her memories.

>>83004837
This, they were punishing the physical person, but emotional and mentally she wasn't that person anymore.

>>83004620
DA WHITE BERR

OH MY GOD WEE NEED TOO 'SCAPE

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>>83004869
Doesn't matter whether she remembers it or not. Fact is, she did it and was being punished accordingly.

>>83004620
everyone was

>>83004936

She wasn't being punished accordingly.
What's the point of punishment if the individual doesn't *comprehend* what they did wrong & why they are being punished? It's just wasting resources abusing a meat sack.

>>83005780
A warning to others. Think of it like being in Hell, eventually you'll forget what you did wrong in the first place, but that doesn't change the fact that you deserve to be there.

>>83006211
nobody deserves to be in hell

Both parties were in the wrong. That's the point of the whole episode.

>>83006913
Well she won't be punished for all eternity. Just until she dies. That's assuming Hell doesn't exist in the world of Black Mirror.

>>83004620
>*GASP* *GASP* *GASP* *WHEEZE* *GASP*

I barely managed to keep watching it. Bitch was insufferable.

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>yfw

>>83007075
She's a hell of a screamer. I got chills, they're multiplying.

>>83004620
>all the sickos saying she deserves it

If you have no memory of doing such a thing and don't understand how you could have done it then she is essentially a different person and not guilty.

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>>83007218
Limp dick liberal faggots like you would have us all living in fear of criminals. She got what she deserved.

>>83007218
Would you let a serial killer out of prison if he developed Alzheimers?

>>83007305
Alzheimers is not the same as complete memory loss, the person in the show did not even know who she was. You basically wiped her completely you could just put her back into the world and it'd make no difference.

>>83007296
>I want the judicial system clogged by the innocent so more guilty walk free
Sound reasoning.
Are you part of the "rape is rape no need for proof" movement?
The stench of socialist gulag emanating from your posts is nauseating.

>>83007296
I'm not a bootlicker so I don't think its right for the state to endlessly torture a person who doesn't even know who they are.

>>83007383
I want criminals punished. You don't.

>>83007409
What happens if I wipe all of your memories right now? Are you still yourself? The judicial system does not exist to punish criminals it exists to keep criminals away from faggots like you.

>>83007409
>Amerikkkans punish criminals
>Actual first world countries rehabilitate them
wew

>>83007489
>liberal faggot countries let criminal gangs roam the streets

Even regardless of the whole memory wipe thing, in what world is a life of torture an appropriate punishment for assisting a murder?

>>83007528
isnt that america?

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>>83004620
Seems impractical, not even talking about all the humanitarian shit. High crimes cases happen literally every week, am I really supposed to believe this park can create interactive "punishment-fitting-the-crime" playgrounds for every single one and be keep it running for several weeks PER CRIMINAL?

>>83008132
Well no, because not once it is suggested that that happens or is even considered. The park is solely about that one case and that one criminal, hence the name. People just got really involved with that particular case, like imagine if Madeleine Mccann's body turned up now people would lose their fucking shit.

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>>83007528
>BE AMERICAN

>>83004620

The criminal, obviously. There is nothing wrong with doing LITERALLY anything you desire with the person that has commited a serious crime. I honestly don't udnerstand why tortures are prohibited nowadays, imagine if the punishment for killing 3 people with seemingly no motive wasn't life imprisonment, but bones breaking, castration, being used as test subject for medical purposes, flaying, mutilation... Imagine how much more satisfied families of the victims would feel if that was the punishment.

>>83005780

The punishment is not about said person feeling 'punished'

It's about protecting the society (which was done, since she was kept tight in special facility and taken care of by the actors, so she would never harm anybody) but also about ensuring the society feel satisfaction

>>83007218

Nice! So, instead of keeping serial killer imprisoned, we should just cause them to have amnesia and release them to public

I sure would love to be friends with someone that raped and killed 17 children, but now is fine because he doesn't remember doing that!

>>83007344

It would to the family of the girl she killed.

>>83008894
>Imagine how much more satisfied families of the victims would feel
"I'm so sorry for your loss Mrs. Finnegan, but you'll be glad to know the killer's castration via boiling acid is scheduled for next Tuesday! That ought to lift your spirits!"

>>83004620
Everyone that thought it was a shit episode.

It's probably the most underrated in the entire series.

>>83007528
>Americans get shot

>>83009227

Yes, that's exactly it. What' your point? You lost someone close, but at least you can watch the person responsible die in agonizing pain.

>>83009813
My post was sarcastic. The reason it was sarcastic is because most people tend not to be complete fucking sadists. Most people don't jerk off to gore and torture no matter who the recipient is. Most people understand that torture isn't justice and nor should it be. It's called having a goddamn conscience, that thing you learn about in Ethics 101

>>83008894
>"Whoops, the new evidence shows that the person we flayed to death is innocent"

>>83010100
>My post was sarcastic.

It meant to be sarcastic. It wasn't.

>The reason it was sarcastic is because most people tend not to be complete fucking sadists.

Most people change their mind when confronted with the fact their 8-year old daughter was raped, killed, then raped again and then fed to dogs.

>Most people don't jerk off to gore and torture no matter who the recipient is.

True. There is nothing sexual about gore and torture.

>Most people understand that torture isn't justice and nor should it be.

Torture of person that deserves it is a definition of justice

>It's called having a goddamn conscience, that thing you learn about in Ethics 101

Too bad the murderer didn't learn about conscience in Ethics 101. Maybe he wouldn't end up killing others...

>>83010249

1 in a million chance, especially if you reserve most gruesome punishment for cases with no room for doubt, like Dnepropetrovsk maniacs. Also, how is that different from

>"Whoops, the new evidence shows that the person we kept imprisoned for 12 years is innocent"

In both cases, the life of an innocent person was ruined by the system and what was done cannot be taken back.

>>83010402
I'd much rather spend 12 years in prison and get a fat settlement than get fucking flayed to death

>>83010577

Who wouldn't. You point?

God, black mirror either makes kino, or just plain shit, there is no middle ground really.

White Bear is shit. Just in the fact alone that I have to hear that bitch cry and scream for 10 minutes straight makes it shit.

Also
>dude tweest you can't see coming or guess with clues!

It's not about punishment. It's about prevention. If you murder someone, this happens to you.

>>83010402
>1 in a million chance
The fuck are you basing that on? According to these,
https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/executions-year
https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/innocence-and-death-penalty
in cases of death row in America alone there's an error rate of above 9%, which is why people are held on death row for so long, because whilst you can't give them back their time-served they can still be given the rest of their lives to live, but once you kill them they're dead and that can never be undone, just as mutilation and castration can't be undone. This is why most of the developed world no longer has death sentences you savage nigger.

>>83008953
Yeah, it felt like more a state of media and public witch hunts than a "just punishment".

Also muh who's really in the wrong meme.

>>83010688
What's your favourite episode anon?

>>83004620
Literally the worst black mirror ep

this episode was cool until the final reveal that they do this every fucking day. flips over from being kinda believable to complete nonsense. they do this elaborate a punishment every day for who knows how long, for every convict? even if it's just the more heinous ones that's not even remotely doable. and that's without even considering how ethical it is

>>83010834
Black Christmas or San Junipero

>>83010688
>1st ep
>guy has to cuck his wife with a pig
>2nd ep
>guy gets cucked by pornstars and has to watch it
>3rd ep
>guy gets literally cucked

What's with brits and cuckolding?

>>83010861
>for every convict?
No, not for every convict. It's not once implied to be for every convict and I don't know how people could draw that conclusion.

>>83010877
Fair pics
Mine's 15 mil merits

>>83011007
because theres nothing particularly special about this case

This thread reminded me that I share this website with sociopaths and mouth breathers.

>>83011088
>Kid gets raped, tortured, and burned to death
>Nothing particularly special
Careful you don't cut yourself on all that edge kiddo

>>83011088
There was nothing particularly special about the Maddy Mccann case either. There's nothing particularly special about most high profile cases of a similar vein, but that doesn't stop people from getting riled up about them.

>>83011144
what i mean is that this type of thing happens all the time, in fact worse things happen all the time. think for a second before replying.

>>83011042
I liked that one, I just felt him selling out was too easy, he should have ended killing someone or himself.

>>83011172
>This is what 12 year olds actually believe

>>83011172
They specifically say that the case drew worldwide attention and people were outraged. Also the fact that the guy killed himself to avoid justice.

>>83011216
Are you being retarded on purpose? Do you think that child murder only happens once a year or something? Or that crimes worse than the one described don't also occur?

>>83011144
That's not really edgy. For every 1 such case like this that gets widespread coverage there are 5 like it that don't.

>>83011258
>>83011307
Samefagging this hard

>>83011246
>>83011151
i do see this point but i still think it would demand far too many resources to do this for every high-profile case that causes mass outrage. especially because with this sort of thing going on, it would snowball the outrage culture and become more and more common. it's just as easy to believe that the other killer killed himself because he knows this is what happens to all/most heinous criminals

>>83011209
I think the message was a lot better that way.
No matter how powerful an idea you see on TV is, someone's paying for it. Kind of meta.

>>83007528
>liberal faggot countries let criminal gangs roam the streets
Sounds like america

>>83011372
>to do this for every high-profile case that causes mass outrage
Except they never say it's been done with any other case

>>83011414
it was presented as being pretty highly normalised to me

>>83011372
Again, they're not doing it for every high-profile case, just this one. It probably would eventually snowball the outrage culture and inspire more facilities of the same nature (which folds back into justice/punishment as business) but at the time of the story there's only one we know of and it's White Bear. There's no reason to make assumptions outside of that. Another thing worth remembering is that the video was leaked, which would make a huge difference in getting people outraged enough to allow/enjoy the level of punishment.
>it's just as easy to believe that the other killer killed himself because he knows this is what happens to all/most heinous criminals
Why? Paedos get the worst treatment in prison, they're fair game for everyone to target and the wardens happily look the other way because they're paedos so who cares what happens to them? One committing suicide rather than going through that isn't an uncommon or unbelievable thing.

>>83011363
You're very naive, Anon. How many missing children have you heard about since Maddy Mccann? Think about it then go look up the statistics.

>>83011209
You realise the MC (despite being a /fit/ black dude) was basically meant to be Charlie Brooker himself, right?

>>83011462
They built the park specifically for the one criminal and named it after the one victim. How does this seem normalized? As for resources, all the participants were volunteers.

>resources
Are you guys forgetting the fact that people paid to get into the park? It wasn't a free service being provided, it was a business. They were making money on it.

>>83011684
>>83011612
if this was the first operation of its kind then the actors and extras wouldn't be acting so completely callously imo. there would be debate about the ethics of the operation (even just a little, not saying there would be tons of sympathy) and possibly even an actor/extra that's legitimately trying to help. i personally don't think one interpretation requires any more assumptions than the other. black mirror often asks you to extrapolate anyways.

>>83011758
yes but it's not just economic resources, they sectioned off a pretty sizable part of the country for this including tons of housing

>>83011363
Good thing that ain't me

>>83007064
Hell does exist in black mirror world
It's a virtual world where interracial dykes pretends they're happy

>>83011995
Well this had been going on for months. I'm sure everyone was used to it by now.

>>83012013
>implying

>>83011995
>there would be debate about the ethics
There probably is, but that's not relevant to the story being told so isn't explored. The whole point of the episode was to make you think about the ethics, not show you other people debating it.

Buying land, buying houses, building houses can all be done with only economic resources, holy shit.

>>83012135
Its ok anon. What else can someone who's arguments are complete garbage do but resort to claiming samefagging?

>>83004620
Everyone. Punishing criminals for the sake of it makes us as bad as they are. Not in this case obviously, but it's not a good idea to encourage violence and vigilantism. This episode would never happen in real life so it's not even worth discussing. Obviously the woman doesn't deserve it, it's overkill.

I'd just wipe her memories, show her what she did on TV and repeat. She'd get what she deserves. Plus she recorded the damn video.

>>83012168
i don't think it's really feasible to allocate an entire town to an experimental prison with whatever budget they get including extra admission. the amount of money that would cost is pretty ridiculous.

>>83012933
The amount of money actual theme parks cost to build and maintain is pretty ridiculous but that doesn't stop them from turning a major profit, fuck.

I figured it would be like a set monthly thing. Like she gets punished until the next big case comes in and they replace her with the new guy.

White Bear wasn't successful in making me feel sorry for the woman going through all of that. She was incredibly annoying. Shut Up and Dance was a hundred times better than White Bear.

Everyone was a piece of shit in that episode.

This show is literally "hm really makes ya think!!!" the show.

If the technology was so advanced you could take someones whole memories away why wouldn't you use it to make 'evil' people 'good'.

The only reason people are 'evil' is live circumstance (for the most part)

It's dumb Still one of the best episodes though

>all these posts saying "but but she's basically a different person now she doesn't deserve it!"
That's not the point though. It doesn't matter whether she knows why she's being punished or not, the point is for the rest of the world to get enjoyment and satisfaction knowing this woman who did a horrible thing is living a literal nightmare everyday for the rest of her life. It's about them not about her.

The real question is, is all of that really necessary just to get satisfaction from a child killer? I think it's overkill personally, seems a little much and excessive, should have just executed her then you have peace of mind knowing she's dead and will never hurt anyone again.