THEY DID IT THE ABSOLUTE FUCKING MADMEN I know I'm late

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>>82948444
is savitar /our guy/?

>>82948548
HE CAN'T KE---

>>82948444
finally
they'll probably bring her back somehow

>>82948548
he's just barry as an edgelord

>>82948706
>he's just barry as an edgelord
So literally /ourguy/.

>>82948444
They didn't, it was HR in disguise as Iris, it's why Joe was on the Roof and Iris doesn't say "I love you" to Barry

Screen cap this

>>82949179
>Ronnie is Savitar
>screencap this
nah she's dead nigga

>>82949179
Nah i think it was her BUT just like in Smallville when they killed off Lana they are gonna have Barry go back in time to save her like Clark did or whatever.

>>82949244
>nah she's dead nigga
why the fuck do you think they showed off the face changer thing earlier in the episode.
It wasn't iris who got stabbed.

>ripping off videogame plots
>the city of capeshit

>>82949179
>HR
It couldn't have been.

HR was being HR on earth-1 while "Iris" was on Earth-2, then HR by accident told barrytar that Iris was on earth-1.

It was Julian

>>82949179
same
also hr was guilt ridden and shown thinking of something to make up for giving savitar the location of iris

hr gone, new brainy girl gonna be part of the team
cisco loses hands
killer frosted flakes still cutie villian
and barry, once again tries and fucks with time

>>82949287
The only problem i have with that theory is that there is absolute no time they could have swapped out iris and HR. The last scene that we know for sure that HR was in was when he was crying about not being help/being a dumbass but at that point iris was already taken by savitar.

>>82949287
>why the fuck do you think they showed off the face changer thing earlier in the episode
It's not like it was the first time. It's just a mcguffin.

>>82949244
They made a big point of HR being on the roof earlier in the season, the face changer was brought up in the episode, it's there for a reason, "iris" didn't remember the song her dad used to sing and then claimed to remember it, just like HR did throughout the episode and it fits his character arch of wanting to be a hero. You also have the fact that Tom wants to play a different version of him each season, it gives them a good reason to get a new wells

Iris isn't dead

>>82949397
>also hr was guilt ridden and shown thinking of something to make up for giving savitar the location of iris
Which means HR didn't have time to make a switch

>>82949460
This. Iris really died but Barry is gonna fuck the timeline raw to fix it next ep and HR will probably die in her place second time around

Watched the first season and i thought it was pretty good haven't really picked up the later seasons. Is it as good as the first season or does the quality drop?

>>82949422
here's the timeline
>Barry goes to get the alien thing
>they get caught
>before he returns evil Barry goes to Star labs and social engineers the location of Iris
>kidnaps her
>kills her
There's no space for ruses. Like >>82949422 said.
For now, she's dead.

>>82949422
>no time
>>82949460
>didn't have time

You cunts know that barry can time travel right?

>>82949520
quality drops

>HR literally took his hat this episode
>they reintroduced the face swapper device and showed that you can change your gender with it
>They didn't tell Barry about this plan
RIP HR

>>82949460
forgetting that they didn't show hr up on the roof like in previous 'visions'
that's cause he wasn't on the roof. he went and got iris out of the way while flash and not-flash were playing tag and took her place.

>>82949566
>You cunts know that barry can time travel right?
HR can't though.
And Barry was sad to see "Iris" die

>>82949624
>that's cause he wasn't on the roof. he went and got iris out of the way while flash and not-flash were playing tag and took her place
and just by magic nobody saw it?
pretty sure Savitar would've noticed somebody switcharooing his hostage

>>82949566
If Barry time traveled they would have fucking shown it dont you think. Plus it would be pointless because Savitar would know if he did because he has all of his memories

>>82949566
>You cunts know that barry can time travel right?
They had to keep Barry out of this because of Savitar

Wally could have done it

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>>82948548
All he wants is for Iris to die and to be a god. Isn't that what we all want? Has anyone ever been more /ourguy/?

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Hey kid

>>82949760
just like old times

Jesse could've swapped Iris for H.R. while Savitar was distracted fending off the Speed Force Cannon.

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>>82948444
Totally didn't see it coming and im glad they had the balls to do it

>>82949624
>while flash and not-flash were playing tag and took her place.
That wasn't a thing.


>Barrytar shows up at Star Labs
>HR tells Barrytar that Iris is on Earth-2
>Barrytar speedforces away to Earth-2
>Cuts to Earth-2 and Barrytar is coming
>HR-2, "Iris", Wally and Joe wait for Barrytar
>Barrytar appears


Unless that wasn't actually HR that told Barrytar that Iris was on earth-2, then HR shouldn't be Iris.

Earlier while joe and Iris talked though, Iris did not seem to remember some things and it very well could've been a disguise, I'm thinking Julian who disguised himself as Iris much much earlier.

>>82949347
what video game plot ?

Rumor has it that Barry makes a deal with the Speed Force to help prevent Iris' death in exchange for leaving Earth and facing his punishment for creating Flashpoint by taking Jay's place in the nightmare loop, and that's where he'll stay throughout the five month gap to season 4 in October.

>HRs speech about being useless
>no shot of HR on the roof
>HR cloaking device
>plenty of time to make the switch when savitrar was running like an idiot avoiding the speedforce bazooka

Yeah HR is dead..

>>82949941
>makes a deal with the Speed Force

That is beyond retarded. Where'd you hear that "rumor"? Your ass?

>speedforce is an entity
Is this actually a thing in the comic books?
Feels really dumb even for comic books

There's been set picture leaks. H.R. is the one that dies.

They will just get another Harrison Wells next season

>>82950015
>HR is the one that dies
maybe, but it would be dumb

>>82949981
The Speed Force is sentient in the show, bro. Plus there's been leaks. No matter the circumstances, season 3 ends with Barry leaving the Speed Force manifestation of his mom while everyone including Harry, Jesse, Jay and Gypsy look on.

>>82949988
It varies from writer to writer. The idea is that the "consciousness" of the Speed Force is the collective consciousness of all speedsters from past, present and future that have become one with it. They all trascend time and space and become this single entity that powers and guides the living speedsters.

>>82950055
would be an underwhelming way to defeat Savitar, but still got some emotional impact.
I mean it's like Eddie killing himself in S01 to defeat Thawne

>>82950071
Nice evidence fuckface, take your bullshit fanfiction and get out

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>>82950071
>Barry can't fuck the timeline if its his mother

The shitposting will be glorious

Everyone knows it's HR but some don't want to admit it, I know I don't but that's what's gonna happen and it will be stupid as hell.

>>82950201
He'll still find a way

>>82950145
underwhelming or not, it would be dumb since it wouldn't make sense in the episode.

The only way it can make sense is if Jessie switched HR and Iris while Barrytar was dodging the speedcannon, but that would be next to impossible for barrytar to not see her, and then it wouldn't make much sense to leave anyone else there, it would be easier to just take Iris and go for Jessie.

>>82950157
1 google search later

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GqjTmNjPOo

>>82950233
I believe it could be happen because I think the writers for the show are pretty dumb.

If it's shapeshift shenanigans I hope it's Julian because it would make sense.

>>82950259
Fuck you

>>82950291
>I hope it's Julian because it would make sense.
He is the guest star, sure he could die, but what would his motivation be?

Where was Julian the entire time anyway?

>>82949708
Savitar broke his leg, but maybe Jesse could have done it.

>>82948444
>killing a stronk blakc womyn on today's libshit agenda
you are a retard if you think this piece of garbage show wont pull out a "IT WAS JUST A DISGUUIS BUT THE WHITE GUY DIED SO ITS STILL SAD" or "GOTTA GO BACK IN TIEM BUT THIS TIME ITS PERSONEL" or even "IT WAS JUST A DREAM GUIS"

>>82950337
Guilt for alchemy and Caitlyn I guess.

Spatial sense trumps motivational sense imo.

>>82950344
Good fucking question He never showed the entire episode

my best bet that he is off somewhere making a cura for his waifu

>>82949922
Fate Stay Night, UBW route

>>82950344
getting speedanal from barry while pretending be a girl, and joes daughter, literally /ourgirl/ (male)

>>82950344
Well, maybe they just didn't want to pay him for this?
Like in the last episode of arrow where Rene and Dinah supposedly also got kidnapped but didn't show up in the end with the others.

>>82950391
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

you cant be seriously expect me to believe that the showrunners of a CW television show stole a plot-line from some weeaboo game

>>82950455
wee/a/boos are delusional

>>82949760
Can't believe it's been over three years since Arrow was good

>>82950455
Weebs are literally insane and think everything is copying their obsessions

>>82950515
Well, Slade is back for the final, maybe he is back in Season 6, too.
And Season 5 was alot better than Season 4 which was pure dog shit.

The promo song is Comfy as fuck senpai

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhIS6cTnmzA

Should've gone the infamous route and made it so savitar was training barry for an even greater enemy.

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>>82950555
>Season 4
>Felicity and her Father DDOSing an unhackable algorithm

>>82950617
I hope there is not another speedester villain after this

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Is she /ourgirl/?

>>82950676
That girl is so fucked .. from the moment where they freed the s6 villen or whateve his name is i know that this girl is gonna get fucked by him and gonna be the motive for team arrow to go after the bad guy

>>82950645
This, really hoping they go an actual rogues arc.

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>>82950645
Season 4's villain is reportedly the Thinker.

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>>82950733
fucked in every show she is in

>>82950645
i think the showrunners aware of that and they already dropped the thinker name as potential
villain for s4

>>82950741
Oh shit, binary

>>82950733
>s6 villen or whateve his name is
really?
This why they didn't show him?

>Power Source Heist
>Savitar tricks the team for Iris location
>Savitar goes and gets to Iris on Earth-2, breaks Wally's leg. Barry is on his way
>Barry tells the crew, whatever they plan he can't be there for it
>There is a shot with Wells looking at one of Savitar's hand spear they got from him
>Barry and Cisco go their ways with about an hour left
>????? one hour passes
>Savitar is there with Iris, Girl Scientist, Joe is on the roof, HR nowhere to be found, Cisco is with Killer Frost
>Iries dies

There is about an hour that they jump from Barry and Cisco going their ways and then we immediately jump to the moment Iris dies. There is definitely some room for something to have happened in that one hour time frame. Maybe some help from Jessie Quick, or maybe Killer Frost helped them switch Iris with HR. Iris couldn't have died and if she did she won't be for long.

There is definitely room for the flash team to have pulled something and tricked Savitar without him or Barry knowing.

>>82950769
>>82950741
no idea who that is
>>82950740
would be actual fun

>>82950741
so who is the thinker ?? The brainiac of the flash ? just a really smart strategic mother fucker ?

a bigger question Is he gonna be 10 steps ahead of barry ?

>>82950879
Prometheus is 50 steps ahead now
Getting caught was part of his plan.
The Thinker has to step up his game

>>82950858
>There is about an hour that they jump from Barry and Cisco going their ways and then we immediately jump to the moment Iris dies. There is definitely some room for something to have happened in that one hour time frame. Maybe some help from Jessie Quick, or maybe Killer Frost helped them switch Iris with HR. Iris couldn't have died and if she did she won't be for long.

Definitely.
If Barrytar wasn't groping Iris for that hour.

>>82950839
ye because he wasn't casted yet .. they still don't know if he is gonna be a minor or the big bad we just gonna have to wait or see

>>82948444
What did they do? Did Barry run even faster to defeat another villian speedster?

>>82950868
>no idea who that is

A corrupt Distric Attorney who uses a "Thinking Cap" to enhance his intelligence and take over Central City by organizing the meta-human criminals into a meta-mafia.

He eventually died but his mind survived in the Thinking Cap and became a sentient computer virus that jumped to the net and began assimilating everyone to feed off of their brainwaves and become smarter.

>>82950964
another villain speedster seemingly killed his wife to be in front of him

>>82950933

Like I said, some shit could have happened. They could definitely pull it out of their ass if they wanted to. Most likely it could have been Killer Frost helping them.

>>82951007
thanks
hmm, better than another speedster

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>>82950929
being oliver is truly suffering

all season 5 he is the moral one and always talk about doing the right thing while everyone around him just bitch about random crap ... meanwhile his past literally haunting him and wants the darkness inside him to take over

like WTF give the guy a break already

>>82950858
>They reach out to Jessie Quick
>Jessie quick time travels with HR on earth-2
>Replaces HR with Iris
I guess

>>82951007
> became a sentient computer virus that jumped to the net and began assimilating everyone to feed off of their brainwaves and become smarter.

>Falicity and Cisco fight the arrowverse borg

not sure if want

>>82951066
>DJ D-Stroke
kek

Ollie actually enjoys killing now

>>82951046
>Most likely it could have been Killer Frost helping them.
doing what?

>>82951066
If Oliver had any sense in him he would've boned his sister 5 minutes in the first episode.

>>82950964
his evil future self killed his current wife so he can turn evil and do it all over again (stuck in a time loop if you can imagine)

the entire second half of the season was "How im gonna save her" and they killed her anyway like a mad men

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>>82951066
>Arrow will never go back to just ollie and diggle hanging out and occasionally killing people

>>82950733
>>82950676
Helix stuff was kinda dumb, btw.
Argus can't find them while they have a base like the nasa mission control with a power bill like a small town.

>>82951273
Helix stuff was an obvious setup for season 6 and it was something to keep felicty away from the team which is great if you ask me

>>82951099
I hope they adapt the comickino "Crossfire" story arc where the Flash has to deal with the Rogues taking over Central City while the Thinker is assimilating Keystone City.

>>82951370
something like this would be cool, but Snart and Mick are gone and the fire guy isn't as good as Mick so far

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>>82951370

>S4 of the flash
>Barry stuck in the speed force hell for 5 months
>Meta humans take over central city
>The Thinker as the main villain and rule the Meta
>Barry somehow get freed from the speed force
>Barry gotta clean the streets from criminal scum

10/10 premise right there

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I loved Season 1. Harrison Wells was a god tier villain. I've stopped for some time and now there's so much hate for the series.

S3 and that musical crossover...No thank you. I think i'll just leave the series with good memories and never continue.

>>82951096

>They reach out to Jessie Quick

Anon, you just made me remember the Sons of Anarchy memes.

>>82951559
The quality saw a deep dive. Season 1 was legit really good, and season 2 had a lot of good moments too. But holy shit did they fuck it up.

>>82951559
Are you seriously telling me that "Super-friend" song isn't wanna of the cutest thing you saw on television ?

>>82951597
>>82951559
It's CW what do you expect?

>>82951597

It seems that the first half of the season had completely different writers than the second half. The "Zoom" is fake Garrick seemed completely forced and out of place

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>MEAN WHILE ON SUPERNATURAL

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>>82951616
My mornings shits are cuter than that.

>>82951597
IMO the quality didn't drop .. its more like they didn't innovate enough to keep it interested and long time viewers noticed it hard

>>82951687
edgy faggots are this way >>>/b/

>>82951705
>innovate enough to keep it interested
That's a quality drop, anon.

One of the biggest problems with the show is how they waste story. They have constant filler episodes every season, but then they get to flashpoint that has many, many episodes worth of story, and they stay there for barely any time. They literally go out of their way to waste it. Hell, having the villain appear more would fix the filler shit

>>82951616
"Put a Little Love in Your Heart" is actually the best song
otherwise the musical was kinda shitty.

>>82951673
How is supernatural ?? i didn't see anything of the new season but all i know is that Lucifer jumping around form body to body and wrecking shit .. is it fun now or they still taking it serious at fucking season 12 ?

>>82951663
The original season 1 showrunner, Gabrielle Stanton, left halfway through season 2. Her last episode was the S2 midseason finale when Barry fights Weather Wizard and the Trickster.

>>82951856
Damn that sucks

>>82951856
>Gabrielle Stanton
She is a producer not a writer .

>>82951919
She was the showrunner. She got replaced by the Helbings, staff writers who have been running the show ever since.

>>82951559
>>82951616
Super-friends and put a little lover were shit. These were the only good songs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptkw2rPhAuM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDFuydOEMGM
Also, check out that Batman episode the Music Meister premiered in for true musikino.

>>82951856

figures, having Garrick initially having no speedforce powers didn't mesh with the "multiple time remnants of Zoom" revelation in the second half of the season

>>82951663
>>82952048
Teddy Sears said in an interview he was hired for the dual role of Jay Garrick/Zoom from the start. He also shared a story about how the casting popped up on IMDB for a day and no one noticed, and that as the season went on and nothing was said to him about playing Zoom he hoped the writers had changed their minds and he could jsut be Jay.

>>82952171

If I recall correctly, he was going to be Jay Garrick but they switched it to give the actor that plays Henry Allen the chance to reprise the role of a speedster again.

Season 2 was a huge clusterfuck of plot points and speedster shenanigans.

>>82949450
>"iris" didn't remember the song her dad used to sing and then claimed to remember it,
That would be a valid point if it weren't for the fact that "Iris" was the one that brought it up in the first place.

>>82950259
bye bye barry, it would be cool if they went a season with wally as the main flash and then in the last arc barry returns to save the day

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>>82951559
>Musical Episode
>It's about love

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>>82951465
Actually Cold and Heatwave weren't part of the Rogues during that arc.

Swap Murmur for Top and Girder for Blockbuster and it can be done.

>>82952283
Nope. He was always going to be revealed as Zoom, but hoped the writers would just let him be Jay rather than going through with the twist.

Is there any other major flash villain that hasn't shown up yet to be a season long villain? I mean other than speedsters i cant think of much.

>>82952763
Grodd and the Rogues still haven't gotten their dues.

Abra Kadabra could be a season-long villain with some tweaking. Doctor Alchemy too.

There's Cicada and Godspeed too, I guess.

>>82950259
>>82952331

It is entirely possible that Barry still creates the time remnants to fight Savitar, but instead of shunning him, decides to drop him off into Flashpoint where he can live with all his friends and family and still be the Flash

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>>82952875
>Doctor Alchemy too.

>>82953353
He can graduate from lackey to mastermind. Have the Philosopher's Stone influence Julian again.

>>82953550

Alchemy is just a medium for Savitar to communicate outside his speedforce prison

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>>82949941
well, shit

>>82953795
oh ffs

>>82949179
This, and Jessie helped switch them when Savitar was dodging the cannon

It was not HR. Iris in disguise didn't fake that whole conversation with Sisco. Iris died. But they will reverse some shit and make it so Flashpoint never happened. "Screencap this."

>>82954275
>that whole conversation with Sisco
???

>>82948444
Why didn't they ask the legends to matter fabricate an energy source for them?

>>82954412
The legends are each more retarded than Barry.

>>82950631
Hacking a nuke and crashing it into a town instead of literally anywhere else. Could have just messed with its altitude and caused it to predetonate.

>>82954491
This. I thought that was nearly impossible.

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>Barry starts shooting at Savitar with the Speed Bazooka
>Savitar rushing around, trying to dodge
>HR runs in, switches with Iris
>Savitar kills "Iris"
>He runs away
>Realizes he is fading away because Iris isn't dead

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>barry is allowed to marry his sister
>ollie isn't even allowed to kiss his

how is this fair?

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This shit is Sonic-tier laughable. Why the fuck do we have an entire thread, let alone a single post about this garbage.

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I've never watched this plastic looking show, how does it even tie into the DC Cinematic Universe? Is it a parallel universe?

>>82951066
I still really like how his solution to not killing people with arrows is to shoot them with bullets.

>make up rules about time travel
>change them the next episode

every time

>>82948548
How does this guy keep getting away with this?

>>82955176
>how does it even tie into the DC Cinematic Universe?
DC cinematic universe doesn't tie into the arrowverse, just like how it doesn't tie into the nolanverse

also gotta remember this barry is a much more immature version of the flash because of reverse flash coming back in time earlier and causing star labs to explode much earlier (think it's 5 years)

it's my reasoning why barry is such a fuck up. he's much younger and much more of a drama queen.

>>82956331
Sorry faggot, he's a fuck up because the writers don't know how to make a compelling story.

>>82956331
I remember reading someones post saying how the Barry we got during his memory loss where he was all fun was the Flash we were supposed to have before Eobard went back in time and changed history.

>>82956365
Second. Saying the writers are only pretending he's retarded is a shitty excuse.

>>82949941
Actually the leading theory is the reason they did that whole fucking stupid heist thing was to introduce that whole body-switcher thing.
It's pretty obvious that since they asked Barry to go away for a bit so he doesn't hear the plan and that H.R. looks at the Savitar claw right after blubbering about how his life needs a purpose that H.R. actually has someone like Jesse Quick or something switch him for Iris when he throws her down on the ground. If you watch the episode and don't pick up on at least one of these things, I actually worry, because Flash has always been basically "Back to the Future" where they shove clues down your throat including camera zooms and chimey music.

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Anyone remember how many times zoom time traveled?
He used time remnants a few times right?

>>82949739
which Injustice video game is this?

>>82949179
I agree but how will Barry end up revisiting the night of his mum's murder this time?

>>82951184
Seriously man, hurts me everytime i watch a new episode.

Season 2 was the best arc and story wise, but season 1 has a special place in my heart cause of ollie pretty much working alone with a bit of broship with diggle and just went around killing 20 mooks with arrows every episode.

>>82953353
So Alchemy is Kylo Ren?

>>82950741
hmm, really make me think.

>>82951673
What does God have planned? Or is Lucifer going to become God now, because God left Earth to be with his sister?

>>82951797
>but all i know is that Lucifer jumping around form body to body and wrecking shit
Man that was aaaaaaaaaages ago, like season 6 maybe.

>>82950455
It's a very popular anime actually

>>82949941
>>82953795
There's another rumor that They do actually use the face-change thing to save iris, but then barry leaves into the speedforce to take jays place so the time circle that creates savitar never happens

>>82957951
>What does God have planned?
god left and lucifer is trapped in a parallel earth with sam and deans mum, lucifer's son was just born and seems to be a lot more powerful than lucifer

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>>82956909

>shows HR's disguise gadget thing
>shows HR bonding with Jessie Quick
>shows HR saying goodbye dramatically to Cisco, then looking down at savitar's spike
>people still think iris died when clearly this happened:

Hr disguises himself as iris, gets jessie to switch him with iris while savitar is stunned from the bazooka.

if they pull some speedforce crap tho I'm gonna be fucking mad

>>82958415
>gets jessie to switch him with iris while savitar is stunned from the bazooka.
probably what they're doing, but it's so dumb

>>82958542
still beats literally every other way of doing it
If he time travels again it'll just be cheap
If the speedforce gets involved it'll become an absolute asspull
I'm just mad at how they fix everything lately, they just need a practical solution for once

>>82958589
Iris could've been Julian for most of the episode if you don't want time travel.

Having Jessie show up there and switch them without Savitar noticing is retarded.
Having Jessie show up there and not getting noticd by Savitar and replacing Iris instead of just getting Iris out of there is even more retarded.

>>82958589
>still beats literally every other way of doing it
Iris is really Iris and really dead. Barry goes through a crisis of promising to never go back vs. saving Iris' life. Barry decides to go back, kicks the clone's ass all over the Mesozoic era, and comes to the present to find Flashpoint 2, clone Barry's true end-game. President Wells is waging war on the terrorist organisation known as the League of Rogues, led by Ra's Al Snart, as well as trying to deal with Grodd's newly formed Legion of Doom. The Black Flash is none too happy with these developments. There's your season 4.

>>82958855
>Ra's Al Snart
can't we get Citizen Cold?