Who do you think would win? Halo's The Flood Vs The Thing?

>>82918823
The Thing.
The flood explode just by touching them

if The Thing manifested itself as one of those giant eggsack Flood mother fuckers, would all the headcrabs that pop out also be The Thing?

really gets those neurons humming

I honestly have no idea what would happen if the Thing tried to infect the Flood or vice versa.

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>it's a hypotheticals discussion episode

>>82918875
no they don't idiot they explode from being shredded by bullets or being stomped on by a metal man

But you gotta realize, the Flood has the intelligence advantage as they know how to pilot complex cars and ships, know how to use fire arms, and are smart enough for strategies

The Thing only has pure instinct on his side

>>82918823
the thing

and then it would turn into flood-things

>>82919134
The thing built a fucking spaceship

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>>82919220
nigga do you not know what flood do to spaceships

>>82919367
take them over, from other people who built them?

the thing made a fucking space ship out of 80s arctic equipment and machines it found in a shed.

>>82918875
only some of them do

>>82918823
Literally everything the Thing can do, the Flood can do better.

>>82919414
The Flood is a hivemind controlled by something called The Gravemind, which is literally the most intelligent being in the universe.

>>82919447
>which is literally the most intelligent being in the universe.
and aint that dumb fuck can't build anything of his own, just uses other people's stuff.

the thing could probably build a Halo Ring out of stuff you'd find in a typical Sears store

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>mfw organic fucking shits

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how would it do against a marker?

All of these comparisons are pointless if you don't establish parameters for the fight. Can the thing infect the flood or vice versa? Is it literally just a single flood combat form in a room vs the thing? Are they both on Earth? Opposite ends of the galaxy? Etc.

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The Mist would simply step on them, and maybe apologize after

>>82918942
We might have to go to the type of microorganism they are
This fight would be fought on a microscopic level
My understanding is that the flood is a parasitic spore
Not sure what The Thing is, I don't know if that was addressed
It would ultimately come down to who could infect who and if the other organism could adapt to that invasion in time to fight back.
The flood gravemind can die but the consciousness will remain so The Flood is going to go down kicking
Any "Thing experts" in here?

>>82919474
kek, made me laugh. Underrated

>>82919492

The Reaper origin lore was so sloppy. The more they tried to reveal, the less sense it made.

>it's established that harvested races are used to create reapers
>these reapers take on the traits of the races they are created from
>a new reaper is created at the end of every harvesting cycle
>this should equate to every reaper looking drastically different
>the vast majority of them look exactly the same

>>82919686

Yeah, it was unfortunate, less is more, as they say. They tried to retcon it by saying the cuttlefish shape was just a shell, which I was happy to believe if it meant I never had to think about the absolute mess of an end boss from the second game.

They should have just made it even broader and said the traits weren't physical but psychological.

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In a four way ffa
Who would come out on top

>>82919636
They're two fictional organisms, it's impossible to determine "logically" which one should be able to infect the other.

In my opinion it comes down to which "version" of The Flood you want to use for the fight, because depending on what sources you use it ranges from ridiculously OP to about on par with The Thing with a hivemind.

>>82918823

Depends on what form The Thing has. If it has a humanoid form, it will win every single time unless flood has something in it's hands that is equally OP.

Otherwise the thing can just kamikaze itself onto the flood host and assimilate it's host and the flood at the same time.

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Submit those votes boys

>>82918875
What, the little ones only explode when they jump on Captain King because he has energy shields that kill them

>>82919847
the thing shouldnt ever be apart of these convos... it's the ultimate life form.

>>82919847
What's bottom left?

>>82919220
Didn't The Thing just attack whatever alien race had originally controlled it and it crashed? I don't remember think the ship was The Thing's. I could be wrong though.

>>82919852
Does the thing absorb knowledge? I know that the instant The Flood takes over an organism it learns everything it knows. So then, would the flood taking over say, a chopped off limb from The Thing give it access to all the knowledge it possesses, if any. Even if The Thing is animalistic and works on pure instinct, which I doubt because it shows signs of intelligence; The Flood would still gain any knowledge it has. I'm thinking back to that scene where The Flood is showing Cortana the pov of some animal it took over.

>>82919979
The Ancient Enemy
From Phantoms

>>82919990
the ship was the things most likely. though that could easily be the case, would explain why it's crashes and why it does so in the one part of the whole world that is cold which is doomsday to the thing.
the thing infected those aliens and used their knowledge to build the spaceship under the shed.

>>82919990
true but it did attempt to rebuild a new ship under the shack blair was locked in

Flood. Flood are controlled By psychic hivemind, thing controls somethingvia cellular invasion

First rule of sci fi = psychic > anatomy

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>>82919510
it would just hallucinate about seeing it's dead gf

how cruel

>>82920164
>psychic
how psychic? I never show it starting fires with it's mind or lifting things up
it just talked maybe with it's mind, but it could have just had vocal cords somewhere on it's bloated biomass.

>>82920208
>how psychic? I never show it starting fires with it's mind or lifting things up
Maybe you should look up what it means first
Fire starting is pyrokinesis
Moving shit is telekinesis
The gravemind controls all the flood organism telepathically

>>82920208

You're talking about psychokinesis, that's totally different to telepathy, newb.

>>82920298
>The gravemind controls all the flood organism telepathically
oh
that's fucking it? who cares if it's hivemind, that doesn't do shit to the thing. why would the thing bother to hide in the flood's army when it can just eat them all and the flood can't do shit?
only reason why the thing hid in the movie was that it's cold and could have easily been killed by their flamethrowers. if the thing landed in Hawaii it wouldn't have bothered with that shit, just started eating up all the yummy biomass around it.

>>82920021
>Does the thing absorb knowledge?
yes. that's how it blends in so well. it takes over their brain and all it's contents are now the things.
if the thing ate a flood, it would know everything that flood new. the real question is: how much info is on a floodings brain? what with the hivemind and all, there probably isn't much info on those flood brains unless you get the graymind or whatever is the leader of the flood

Halo lore is so lame its just shit ripped from sci-fi movies and books

Theyre the same fucking thing. Theyd just assimilate or coexist on a microscopic level and become a floodthing on contact.

>>82920712
only the thing works on the microscopic level. the flood uses spores to infect or some shit. with that, the thing wins as it can simply wiggle it's way past the spores and infect their cells

>>82919220
In the prequel the original idea was apparently to have MEW enter the alien craft and find dead skin bodies of every race.
The ship was supposed to be an ark of sorts that took samples of every race in the Galexy, the thing escaped it's confines and massacred the ship.
Mew fights a thing/Alien pilot in the end

>>82918823
The Flood killed off a civilization capable of destroying a fucking Galaxy. End this thread.

>>82920944
but the thing is capable of eating the flood whereas the flood can't do the same
so the thing can kill the flood which killed off a civilization capable of destroying a fucking Galaxy.

>>82921020
REEEEEE IT DOESNT HAVE THAT BIG OF FEATS!!!! At most The Thing is City tier while the Flood are Galaxy+ tier.

>>82921054
>REEEEEE IT DOESNT HAVE THAT BIG OF FEATS!!!!
it is capable of it
therefor it wins

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>>82920944
what if the thing killed off an entire galaxy all by itself and we just didn't hear about it?

checkmate atheists

>>82921086
THE FLOOD ARE ACTUAL GODS (well they once were) WHO CAN ASSIMILATE ENTIRE PLANETS IN HOURS, THE THING WOULD BE CHOW IN SECONDS

>>82918823
The thing wins.
The flood needs a CNS to survive, the thing is far more adaptable.

>>82921020
>the thing can kill the flood

The thing was beaten by a team of scientists using wire and lighters. The flood is an eons-spanning, galaxy-wiping ancient organism that has toppled multiple galaxy-spanning civilizations.

>>82921145
REEEEEEEE NO IT DOESNT A GRAVEMIND HELPS BUT ITS NOT REQUIRED! I HATE VS BATTLE TALK OUTSIDE OF THE RIGHT FORUMS

>>82921123
>THE THING WOULD BE CHOW IN SECONDS
flood works via spores
thing works on cellular level
the flood literally can't do anything to the thing
>>82921154
the thing lost to the cold. those scientists just blew all the shelter up. even that didn't kill it, it's just sleeping

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>>82921154
Then why'd it job to a dude in a suit.

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>>82919847

Tyranids, always

They act as a hivemind and they adapt to any kind of threat within a generation, and they reproduce so quickly that if any of the other ones ever managed to get the upper hand, they would adapt to it so quickly that the other ones wouldn't have a chance to react

On top of that, there's so many of them that they're bound to win any kind of long term conflict, all the tyranids faced by the Imperium thus far are a fraction of a fraction of all the tyranids that exist in this galaxy alone

Even chaos would lose to the tyranids eventually

>>82921191
this if anything the thing can infect the flood

>>82921200
So you're saying you don't know Halo lore? Master Chief is an 8 foot tall killing machine in a suit that can survive missile attacks. Plus the Flood won out in the end.

>>82921191
What would stop the flood from detecting the thing and just using whatever flood organism it has around it to fight it with fire? The thing isn't a good fighter whereas the flood is a tried and proven combat ready organism

>>82921227
>Master Chief is an 8 foot tall killing machine in a suit that can survive missile attacks.

Which is literally nothing compared to the Flood, and the Flood still got it's shit kicked in the end.

The Flood are actually the Precursors. Aka the beings that created the universe. It would take only a couple spore to assimilate the Thing.

3 ships simultaneously crashland on modern day earth.
their contents and destinations are:
>North America- A ship containing a few flood carrier forms being directed by an out of system gravemind(halo)
>Africa- A ship carrying a marker and a few infectors(dead space)
>Russia-A ship carrying a large enough Thing(the thing) to be comparable to the other two starting groups
We are assuming that each alien group is not shut down by the human population.
Who ends up with control over the earth?

>>82921200
Because they were playing 2D chess and it was all part of there plan duh.

>>82921252
If the Thing got to that point it could fight the Flood with all the knowledge it possessed.

>>82921257
>Got its shit kicked in the end
Not according to the canon books.

>>82921204
The flood would take over any organism the nids threw at it
They would be locked in a race against themselves, the hive fleet would be forced to adapt to fight the organism it just put out there

>>82921262
Why'd you put the Thing in Russia dude? At least make it China.

>>82921259
THANK YOU! The Flood ultimately are the essence of gods.

>>82921252
No I meant it has a bunch of hunchback fucks somewhere and it slowly starts to realize its losing control of some of them

>>82921317
Snow felt fitting.
I'm not really good with spreading that kind of thing.

Proof that the Flood would win
https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/precursor-flood-source-thread.264267/

>>82921252
>What would stop the flood from detecting the thing and just using whatever flood organism it has around it to fight it with fire?
the thing doing the same. the thing is smart, it's not a dumb animal. it made an interstellar ship out of shit it found in a shed. plus, if some of the thing got on the flood, just one cell, the flood is fucked. that's all it takes. the best bet the flood has is to run away and nuke it from orbit. so basically, the thing is to the flood as the flood is to everything else. the thing is the ultimate bad guy
how is the thing not a food figher? when the size of a man, the exact size of a man, it still has the strength to leap to the ceiling, stay there, and then crush another man's skull with a jaw it literally just formed. out of what use to be just skull and brain tissue with little muscle. the thing can turn itself into one big muscle and flip a tank. what can the flood do? use covy/human weapons? so can the thing, and much more

>>82921334
Meant for >>82921283

>>82921302

Sure but eventually the tyranids would adapt to being assimilated, they would start to absorb the flood instead of the other way around. You would just give the ability to assimilate things to the tyranids. Plus they're all psychically connected so they would know the instant the flood tried to assimilate one of them and start adapting to counter it.

>>82918823
The Thing would assimilate pretty much any competitor.

Humans can destroy the flood but humans lose to The Thing, thus the thing would easily over take the flood.

Don't fuck around with these threads, The Thing is the ultimate life form senpai.

>>82921262
>Africa- A ship carrying a marker and a few infectors(dead space)

Africa wouldn't even change lmao

people people
the thing vs the flood vs the marker vs blacklight

>>82921262
entirely depends on if the marker is truly cosimic horror magic stuff and if the thing landed in a cold part of russia

if the marker just makes virus monster thingies and the thing is in moscow during the summer, the thing wins every time easily. the thing always wins unless there's extreme heat or cold involved on a massive scale.

>>82921262

The thing wins then. The only way The FLood wins is if it gets the infectors before The Thing can, since it needs to do a ranged war with The Thing.

If The Flood just tries to infect anything The Thing infects, it's doomed.

>>82920944
They destroyed the galaxy to starve the flood to death, you fucking mong. They nuked themselves.

>>82921437
The Necromorph scourge is a lovecraftian nightmare whose final form is a sentient moon made of corpses that devours planets

The Flood can just destroy the planet that The Thing is on. The Flood wins 10/10

>>82921458
keep in mind the flood can use weapons and were dropped in the US

>>82921479
If the fucking forerunners can't beat the Flood, The Thing, a single fucking entity, could never. The Flood took on BILLIONS of the Forerunners and they stomped.

>>82918823
The Flood (The Thing) would win.

>>82921437
the marker is just advanced tech that effect the minds of sentient beings probably wont do any thing to thething, the thing is are necromorps living or dead tissue

>>82921334
Why would it realize?

>>82921539
Reanimated dead tissue.
And in the 3rd people get infected by eating said tissue

>>82921398
We wuz necromorphs n shiet

>>82921190
A gravemind helps, you're right, but I'm talking about individual hosts.
The flood requires 2 things:
1) the host has a central nervous system
2) the host has enough biomass to sustain the parasite post-infection

The thing doesn't give a fuck how much biomass or how it is specialized, only that there is biomass to consume.
The thing wins.

>>82921398
It would be an improvement IMO.

>>82921390
The flood you saw in games was baby shit compared to the flood at its hight which is why it's important that we clarify which version of it it is

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>>82918823
Can they infect fast enough? Doubt these shits will survive a New Big Bang.

>>82921577
cool any one know if flood can infect the dead

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>>82918823
>videogames

>>82921642
Yes, as long as something has a central nervous system.

The Thing is useless against non organic enemies. Just wear a power armor

blacklight wins against the thing and flood it can win against necros but how powerful is the markers brain washing shit

>>82921568
Losing the psychic connection to a large amount of biomass would definitely be something it noticed

There's some butthurt halo fanboys here, the floor were easy for me to kill by just shooting at them, fighting the thing with just one monster the same size would have been unsuccessful

>>82919958
It's thwarted by an adequately robust immune system. It's just really advanced phagocytosis my dude.

Well so far we've only seen The Thing assimilate living organisms. The Flood has been known to affect and mutate both alive & dead organisms. The Marker has been known to only transform dead organisms into Necromorphs (the exception being those who consumed infected necromorph tissue ala feeders).

It all boils down to who can assimilate who first.

>>82921776
The flood can use flamethrowers though

>>82921262
There's absolutely no way to know how those organisms would interact if they came in contact. Only one of them brought a world building, galactic empire to its knees so that's my bet.

>The Thing tried to assimilate The Flood
>it becomes The Flood itself with all his knowledge and falls victim to his own ability

It would be just like making a copy of The Flood.

>>82921801
>>82921801
>>82921801

>>82921800
The Thing wins because it's intelligent. The Flood and Necro's run around like retards, meanwhile the Thing would just casually infect everything without anyone knowing it's there.

There's a Korean proverb or some shit "while two dogs fight the third runs away with the bone".

>>82921389
but the flood would know about the tyranid adaptation and counter it as well

this really is not a fight either side can ever win. they both do the exact same thing, basically.

If it's just a few spores: The Thing
If the Flood have already assimilated a few humans: The Flood
If the Flood has a gravemind set up: The Flood literally shit stomp.

>>82921837
T. Retard who skipped all cut scenes

>>82921807
The necromorphs did the same, and have swept through the galaxy devouring all life and literally leaving "dead space" in their wake.
The third game ends with an unkown number of living moons made out of corpses devouring earth

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>>82918823
They both will die out in time. Silly mortal things.

>>82921865
This. If we're talking about the amount of spores we see in their debut, then The Thing wins. But anything above that, The Thing gets assimilated.

>>82921891
>Flood
>Mortal
They sat around for billions of years after the forerunner war.

>>82921801
>>82921829
if it has it and even if it does the thing will have spread there would not be fuel to kill all of it and fire only slows the thing down it dosent kill it permanently

>>82921881
Bit of a segue-way but I don't get all the hate DS3 gets, it just shifted from "standard monster horror" to Lovecraftian horror, which IMO is scarier.

>>82918823
Can Halo fags explain this shit to me? How are the Flood "remnants of gods"? What are Precursors?

>>82921916
>fire only slows the thing down
Literally false. If a thing cell is burned, it dies, permanently

>>82921918
CO-OP
PLAYABLE KEKOLD
HUMAN ENEMIES WITH GUNS

>>82921718
Why would it lose the connection? If the Thing is imitating the Flood exactly, than the Flood shouldn't notice anything is wrong.

>>82921918
It was always lovecraftian horror, people hated the fact that dead space 3 is not scary and turned into a standard cover based 3rd person shooter

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>>82920591
>he hasn't read the excellent Greg Bear Forerunner Trilogy which makes The Flood way more OP than them already being pretty OP in the games

The Nylund and Bear books are actually solid military sci-fi.

And yes, there is no such thing as originality, but The Thing came first if we want to be chronological:

>The Thing = 1930s short horror story
>Body Snatchers = 1950s film based on earlier novel
>Tyranids = 1980s tabletop game and novels
>The Flood = early 2000s video game and novels
>Necromorphs = late 2000s video game (an excellent mix of space and Lovecraftian horror, especially at the end of the series)
>The Reapers = early 2010s video game (the worst ones plot-wise too, unfortunately)

The idea of a hivemind of assimilating other organisms from outer space isn't exactly original, but it's always interesting.

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>>82921912
>billions of years
They can be killed and will die out. What is a billion years in a river of time?

>>82918823
It all depends on what you're asking. Can The Thing destroy The Flood as a species? No. The Thing most likely couldn't even leave a city infested by the Flood. But if it's the same amount that Chief faced when he first "met" the Flood, the The Thing would win.

>>82921912
>he thinks a billion years is a long time

>>82921054

>The Thing is city tier

Wait, what?

Isn't the Thing a life wiper? Blair's simulation said that it'd take 3 years, tops, for it to assimilate all of life on Earth.

In a comic featuring The thing(The Thing from another world: Questionable Research), a scientist said that Blair underestimated it, and that it'd take over Earth in 3 months.

If we're to assume that The Thing that's on earth is the only one of it's kind left, if it got out, it could potentially be galaxy tier, eventually. It already knows how to build spaceships from literal scrap heaps.

>>82921959
The gravemind is too smart to fall for that.
It is hands down the smartest entity in the entire halo universe.

>>82921959
That's nonsense
Are you saying that the people who were infected in the movie didn't know they were infected and then suddenly OH SHIT I'M NOT ME ANYMORE

>>82921918
It was from a suspenseful horror game to a generic, coop third person shooter.

>>82921932
>Fire permanently kills The Thing.
>The Thing (Two heads) reanimates from its burnt smokey corpse (Prequel) to consume the guy watching over it (In the original).

>>82921801
Flamethrowers didn't work on The Thing. Pay attention to the movie. It was a combination of the extreme cold and heat that made it immobile temporarily. It just needed to recover.

>>82921926
Just an ancient alien race.

They turned themselves to dust and the dust got fucked up by space radiation and turned into the flood by infecting poodles.

>>82921959
The Gravemind is literally set up to make sure this exact thing wouldn't happen.

>>82921675
halo is /v/, /tv/, /lit/, and /a/ you faggot

>>82921932
>Literally false
no it not the thing with two faces in the movie was burnt with gallons of gas but was still alive to infect a person to kill the thing with fire you will need to burn is with such intense heat that the only way i can think of how you could do that would be cremation chamber but good luck getting the thing to sit still in one...or a nuke thats hot to

>>82921986
Yeah pretty much.

If you copy an organism entirely that includes it's neural pathways, which means it's thoughts. IE, Thing-people would still think exactly like the people they were, except it's the Thing pulling the strings.

>>82922001
Well they're more than that. They're basically gods. Their first creation: The Forerunners turned out imperfect and rebelled against the Precursors. The Precursors were so ashamed that they turned into a cloud of space dust. Eventually that cloud started to become impure and deformed, the result of this is the creation of The Flood, who enacted revenge by killing off the Forerunners.

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>>82922016
>/a/
RIP bb

>>82922056
i want to take the shot

>>82922045
The Forerunners were actually massive dicks who deserved everything that happened to them and that's what I love about Bear's books.

>>82922045
I think you're overblowing them. They were really advanced, but they still lost a war to early Forerunners. The dust thing was done through technology and they were stored on ships.

>>82922043
>Thing pulling the strings.
So then not the gravemind which would mean it would instantly detect the invasion

>>82920944
The scale of the floods destruction was proportional to the size and technology of the species they were assimilating. So in the case of the Forerunners, who were spread galaxy wide and pretty much using magic, the damage was pretty catostrophic. If you dropped a single flood cell onto a moon with a single thing cell they would both probably just chill there until they both starved to death.

>>82922100
Well yeah the Forerunners were huge cunts for turning on The Precursors alone.

>>82922108
It's explicitly stated in the books that the Precursors refused to fight the Forerunners and allowed themselves to be destroyed.

>>82922135
>just chill there until they both starved to death.
the thing does not die during it's chill. it sat in ice for thousands of years, perfectly fine. woke up, and went right to work eating biomass. no fucks given to it's eon long chilled slumber.

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a flood cell cant infect anything you need a spore pic a thing how ever can infect others with just a cell thing wins

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0w0

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>>82922261

Is it possible for a thing with human's mind? Human's mind control over thing body?

>>82921932
The only reason the thing can be incapacitated by fire is because it can damage the thing on a cellular level. It is reasonable to assume that none of the things actually died in the movie, as there would still be some remaining tissue after the burning. Long story short, fire only slows the thing down and it is possible for a thing to survive a flamethrower attack.

>>82918823
I know Gravemind doesn't explicitly count, but he's so fucking badass
>I am a monument of your sins
https://youtu.be/8-vdHpvoUJE

>>82922115
No. Again if everything is copied, than basically the Gravemind would still be controlling the organism, but the Thing would exist as a separate consciousness turning more of the Flood into the Thing. Eventually the Thing would just subsume the Gravemind without the Gravemind even being aware of it.

>>82922335
The Gravemind is nigh-Omnipresent. It would totally figure it out.

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a balrog could easily 1v1 the thing, right?

>>82922314
well, enough fire would fuck the thing. a nuke would wipe it out. nukes would be very effective to the thing, just drop a couple around the area it was last spotted and hope that does the trick. if not, rinse repeat.

or move to a cold place.

though the alien ship landing in the arctic was not a happenstance. the aliens planned that so the planet they were gunna crash on wouldn't be fucked too. once the thing gets to dirt/water, game over. all it has to do is dig down into the dirt or swim away. you will never be able to stop it from there. all it has to do is sit there in the dirt/water and spend out scouts to gain more biomass

>>82922330
Holy shit the re-released edition looks like that? That's badass.

>>82922335
The gravemind would just convince the thing to join his side while at the same time figure out how the thing works and how to defeat it or even exploit it.

>>82922335
Then why show itself, ever?
Does the thing have autism? It could have easily taken the base if it didn't sperg out

>>82922388
A Balrog is an angel so yes it could.

>>82922410
BLUR did a pretty great job of cleaning them up.

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>>82921966
>>82921980

>by our estimates, a billion years is literally only 1/14th of the time the age of the entire Universe, based on our knowledge of cosmic expansion in all directions
>we still don't know how big the Universe actually is due to redshift in the time-distance barrier of light from our point of view in the Universe
>the observable Universe could quite literally be a fraction of a fraction of the actual size of the Universe (which could be infinite) and which is already unimaginably massive in and of itself

Things like this give me peace knowing how absolutely insignificant I am in the grand scheme of indifference that is all of existence.

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>>82922435

Most people in this thread are breaking the biggest rule of VS battles: feats.
Just because a character can do something, if they haven't shown the ability to, then it's disregarded.
Saying The Thing could assimilate infinitely is a No Limits Fallacy, and would be thrown out as an argument.

>>82922388
>LotR lore

Please there's enough autism in this thread already.

>>82922437
>>82922388
its made of rock and fire right so i would think so

>>82922435
Yeah it's an angel with shitty feats. But I agree that it'd beat The Thing.

>>82922523
well im not even talking about lore, just the fact that they are made of fire.

Why does everything need to have "lore" nowadays? Jesus, everything is fucking capeshit now. What made The Thing cook is that not much is known about it, but it's unbeatable. It didn't need "feats" to be cool.

>>82922429
It just wanted off that shitass planet, so it was building a spaceship with 80's radios and helicopter parts.

Gravemind can't do that shit.

>>82922501
It's a simple train of logic. If superman can shoot lasers out of his eyes, and lasers are hot enough to melt metal, then superman can metal steal beams even if he has never been shown to be able to do that.
if batman can punch a hole in solid reinforced concert, then he can punch a hole in a man even if he has never been shown to be able to do that, simply because humans are not more durable than reinforced concert.

if the thing takes things over on the cellular level, and the flood does the same but not as efficient (flood uses large spores to infect) then the thing's cells can infect those large spores. spores can not infect tiny cells.

>>82922429
The thing gets dumber as it loses biomass, and the two face remnants were pretty messed up. So when it attacked Bennings it was likely acting on instinct. Windows walks in mid-assimilation and soon enough the entire base knows about the thing.

>>82922678
so much this

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>>82922678
I fucking love reinforced concerts.

>>82922635
again, why show itself?
why not play it cool like you claim that it can and eventually take over everyone without them knowing and then building it after everyone was in on it
what exactly makes you think it has the ability to do this, where are you getting this from

>>82918823
So the consensus is: If it's the same amount of Flood that Chief had to fight in that first mission, then the Thing wins. Otherwise the Flood win. Got it.

if the thing can work on a cellular level then why does it ever "manifest" itself

i mean why doesn't it just go the spore route like the flood does?

>>82922705
so we're back to the gravemind detecting this shit the second it tried

>>82922811
/thread

>>82922811
dubs is wrong
see
>>82922678
>if the thing takes things over on the cellular level, and the flood does the same but not as efficient (flood uses large spores to infect) then the thing's cells can infect those large spores. spores can not infect tiny cells. thing wins case closed

post thing art

>>82922811
not really.
honestly the entire thing comes down whether or not the thing can actually infect with just one cell over time.

can it just let one little cell creep into your pores and fuck you over in a day or two even slow internal cell consuming one by one, or does it have to physically attack it's prey like it did pretty much every time in the movie? it attacked the dogs, but maybe just because they were clearly aware it was not the same as them. it attacked people when they were on to it, but from the bloody underwear they found seems to be that it would rather just tentacle you up instead of playing the slow game

>>82922880
Jesus Christ. If billions of Forerunners couldn't take down the Flood, then neither can The Thing.

>>82922811
Dubs of truth. Thread is over.

>>82922922
>>82922811
>>82922844
Most pro-Flood posts have been dubs. Hmmmm

>>82922900
>If billions of Forerunners couldn't take down the Flood
we don't know the history of the thing for all we know trillions of nigger aliens couldn't beat the things we just dont know. anons need to stop bringing this up

>>82922373
Have to agree with this guy. While the thing may be able to integrate itself into the hive mind, it will have to slowly replace a flood cell by cell first. I must admit that I know jackshit about Halo lore, but if the gravemind is as omniscient as this thread is suggesting would it not be able to detect the assimilation process? Especially when the thing is assimilating whatever mechanism that connects floods to the hive mind?

>>82922900
the forerunners were not a being that infects things on the cellular level, perfectly replicates them on the cellular level, gains all their knowledge, unaffected by the cold save for going sleep sleep for a bit, and can morph it's body into anything at will at any time very quickly. for fucks sake it turned a fully functioning and normal human skull into a giant mouth/jaw full of sharp teeth in less than a minute.

forerunners were beat bu the flood. the thing is the flood on steroids. if the thing was what the forerunners faced, there would be no rings. they would have never lived long enough to build any kind of real weapon to fight the thing with. the moment the thing got one forerunner, the thing now knows everything that forerunner knows.

>>82922388
what is the thing's tax policy

>>82923062
the thing is communist. it firmly believes in the redistribution of all biomass to the thing. the seizing of all means of production of biomass. and the end of the idea of ownership of biomass that isn't the things

>>82923020
i know the lore the gravemind is not omniscient
its just psychly connect to all flood forms across space how you say because videogame it would not know it it was being tacking over cell by cell with perfect copies

>>82922880
Maybe it was an environmental thing. It might have been worried that without quick action it would end up trapped in the ice again.

>>82923120
>tacking over cell by cell with perfect copies
prove that it can do this without making it's presence known
nothing has indicated it can do this as it is always revealing itself

>>82923154
>It might have been worried that without quick action it would end up trapped in the ice again.
true. and since the crew was already wigged out from the crazed nords maybe it thought it couldn't do the long game. the other dogs were already avoiding it so it probably realized it can't stay a dog if all the other dogs refuse to get near it and that other crew member already displayed a disliking to it. so maybe it did think that it's now or never, I need more biomass to get the fuck out of here now.

>>82923196
watch the thing movies with commentary they say you would not know that you are the thing even fully converted until you start to freak out like split open an shit

>>82923306
thats cool and all but why didn't it do it
either the thing is incapable of doing this
or
its retarded and chose to jeopardize its plan instead of taking over the entire outpost

>>82922834
It depends on the state of the thing. If it has I undamaged biomass equal to say, a human, it can be pretty damn intelligent. Though, as I said in a different post, the gravemind could possibly detect the assimilation process.

>>82923196
the movie literally states it takes over cells and then replicates them perfectly. the host doesn't even know it's happening til their consciousness just slips out and now there is only the thing.
not really sure if that's how it works, the second part at least, the first part is 100% cannon fact. maybe the host knows it's being filtered out at a certain point, which is the most horrifying thing ever. to feel your own brain being taken over by another sentient being.

>>82923046
>the moment the thing got one forerunner, the thing now knows everything that forerunner knows.
the flood literally does that, too

>>82919636
>Not sure what The Thing is, I don't know if that was addressed

It technically isn't, it's just an organism that assimilates other living things on a cellular level. They don't even really figure out what to call it, it's just the thing.

>>82923383
There's a short story that touches on that, it's pretty sick.

http://clarkesworldmagazine.com/watts_01_10/

>>82923120
But there is still a process, the cells don't instantly turn into thing cells. This process what I think the gravemind could detect.

>>82923354
because it was getting caught left and right and the real people found out fast that it hides in them so when caught it has a spaz attack and revels it self

>>82923410
exactly, the thing is the flood+more powers and abilities. the flood is always just some inefficent twisted form of whatever it took over. the thing can become whatever it wants so long as it has enough biomass. giant snake? sure. elephant made out of teeth? sure. planet made out of tentacles barbed with spikes that are tipped with venom? given enough biomass, sure.

the flood is kiddie shit. the thing is the one true cosmic horror.

>>82923452
Never mind I'm retarded.

>>82923457
what the fuck makes you think always awake always vigilant flood forms wouldnt detect it?
dont let their howling and seemingly suicidal tendencies confuse you m8, they had intent behind them and it was all calculated

>>82923452
maybe its possible but not likely the flood is not a cellular entity like the thing is would you know if there are flu germs in you without having the flu symptoms

>>82919134
The thing can do all those things much better than the flood can. It starts to build its own fucking space craft in the film.

Immediate thing win. The thing cells would just assimilate and mimic the flood cells both gaining their ability and reducing the floods ability to fight back. Flood are a parasite and need targetable host cells to use.

Even on a more macro scale a thing entity is enormously more competent than a flood.

>>82923306
You made up complete shit there, carpenter has exhausted himself saying that the hosts are dead and there is no such thing as them being unaware but things.

>>82921262
I thought necromorphs couldn't even come to life outside of marker range. doesn't that make them by far the weakest? The only reason they were a threat to humanity in dead space is because the markers were being used as a power source, distributing them all around human cities. a few markers could only like infect a couple square miles, right?

>>82923972
re watch the whole move with commentary they say it multiple times threw the original

>>82918823
>Who do you think would win?

your virginity

>>82924010
I don't want to sound like a dick but it is evident that English isn't your first language
Perhaps you misunderstood if you watched it in English or maybe it was poor translation if you watched it in whatever your native tongue is

>>82924010
Carpenter has explicitly said multiple times that the thing kills whoever it takes over and the things know they are things. One producer suggested otherwise and the creator has since spent years saying he was plain wrong. Not up for discussion.

>>82923984
My knowledge on this is a bit fuzzy, but I think that while markers only reanimate dead tissue within its range the infectors can turn dead and living organisms into necros regardless of whether or not they are in the marker's area of effect.

>>82924164
pulling the grammar card i see don't need to get butthurt because your wrong

>>82924222
It wasn't to insult you, no need to get upset.
Can you read the post and reply to it, it's a valid point.

>>82924250
calm down Kevin hart

I'm going to assume you're referring to the Flood that was described in the Halo novels as the ones in the games were piss weak.

Flood would win kinda easily considering it can infect literal billions of creatures n shiet and all become one under the gravemind

>>82924530
Thing cells are more virulent, not parasitic, can hide from flood cells and gain all their abilities and more including hivemind.

Nah flood gets btfo six ways to sunday.

>>82924565
Ooo good point. That'd be a fight since it'd be a constant battle to see who could take control of the most troops.

>>82924605
Yeah but the flood couldn't take over thing cells so long as the thing is imitating flood cells. Only chance for the flood is sealing off the thing before it gets a foothold, same as with the humans in the film.

>>82919134
Flood only knows how to control vehicles if they assimilate the ceatures that owned them.

>>82924565
I highly doubt the Thing could actually partake in the hivemind. I don't think it would be able to masquerade as Flood. It's still clearly a better parasite and better combatant, however.

>>82924764
It could create its own using whatever the flood use. As for not being able to masquerade i dont mean on a macro scale but on a cellular one the flood parasite wouldnt be able to infect thing cells that appear as flood cells.

Thing fags get out.
Intergalactic tier flood has knowledge of everything as they have assimilated entire civilizations of high intelligence. Graveminds can also turn AIs to thier side via logic plague.

>>82924975
Yet despite your autistic books all they do is growl and claw at enemies. Also they couldnt "logic plague" a thing to their side.

>>82925137
Thing cant assimilate ai

>>82925225
It can certainly build its own. Furthermore if it takes enough flood it gets their abilities as well.

>>82921389
Okay, I get that the psychic link would help them tremendously in the war-effort, but how the fuck does one "evolve" to being resistant to forced pathological invasion at the cellular level? I mean, just rationally speaking, in a real-world scenario, what method could possibly exist to resist such complete assimilation at the rates we've been witnessed to? Nothing short of self-destruction would save them from actually being assimilated. I can't think of any realistic biological mechanism that would allow any organism, no matter how hearty, to not only resist, but REVERT the assimilation process from something to violently aggressive.

Is it that the Tyranid would just flood its cells with acid the moment it suspected infection? And we're talking infection over the course of SECONDS here; we're talking about "nothing we've ever seen before". Such rapid assimilation is absolutely devastating.

Gonna stop rambling now, because I feel I've gotten seriously off track here, but my point is, nothing short of fire would might actually be enough to prevent assimilation by the thing or the flood; and by that point, that's simply known as "self-destruction"; which, in and of itself, is an extremely viable tactic when dealing with these invasions, but realistically speaeking, there's no other option where the Tyranid comes out of the situation with both thumbs up.

tl;dr
Simply saying "lmao muh Tyranids just reverse the process" is the Who-Would-Win equivalent of a schoolyard kid going "Nuh uh, my guy doesn't die from bullets because my guy's a general, and that MAKES HIM STRONGER".

Lore-wise, you can say whatever the fug you like, but when it comes to serious discussion (lmao), we have to take that figure with a grain of salt.

Tyranids can probably fight off AIDS or Cancer with ease due to their extremely hostile biological physiology, but against something as rapid and all consuming as the flood or something? No dice...At least if we're putting verisimilit

This is autistic. They have nearly the same set of abilities, assimilation, transforming the host, taking the memories and knowledge of host. In game halo you see flood forms change shape and abimities as well

>DUDE VIDEO GAMES

>>82919134
>The Thing only has pure instinct on his side
Confirmed for not knowing shit what your talking about holy fuck.

>>82919510
I wonder what effects the marker would have on someone who never loved or was loved, it would be like fuck it and not do anything since it cant really do anything to someone like that?

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>>82921204
Tyranids are currently fought to a stand still by Orks so no.

>>82925564
how strong are orks

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>>82918823
Neither. Flubber would kill all.

>>82926705
About 6

>>82921154
The flood is shit. The Thing works on a molecular level, it would take over the flood in a second. Just because the story is overly grandiose doesn't mean the Thing wouldn't absorb it's ass, PS Halo is stolen from Ian M Banks

>>82920914
>In the prequel
Stopped reading right there.

>>82919686
>be a robot race
>genocide organics every couple ten thousand years in the fear that organics create robots that genocide organics
Wew lads