TFA final battle

>>82744265

He's severely injured and is pumping himself up so he doesn't fall unconscious as well as pumping himself up mentally for a fight.

>>82744265
>explain how Rey was able to defeat Kylo in TFA
Lazy writing

Kylo was shot by Chewie, got confused after killing his dad and he didn't want to hurt his waifu.

this is the crap that makes me realize tfa-haters are tards

>>82744265

Any female can defeat a trained soldier.

Men can only defeat women when they are totally defenseless with no weapon.

>>82744400
It's the force, mate.
Physical form doesn't mean shit.

1. He was shot
2. He was still distraight from patricide
3. He wasn't aiming to kill her

While it does make sense, it's still retarded that Kylo enters the movie by doing something no other force user in flms ever done - stopping the blaster shot midair - and then loses like a total bitch to someone who just grabbed a lightsaber for the first time in her life

>>82744265
The whole movie is almost completely. Kylo Ren is actually one of the few interesting things about it, though. Basically, he becomes less powerful when he gets emotional, rather than becoming more powerful. Ironically, this contradicts what he believes about the nature of the dark side.

>>82744317
And yet he defeated Finn. Rey even used Force Pull, an ability that would have taken her being Taught or at the very least, it should have taken her more than a second to master. She pulls the Saber from Ren, that was bullshit . Luke had to be trained to get good, and when he used Force Pull, it took him all of five minutes. REY impossibly pulls the saber from Ren, which is bullshit.

>>82744265
Because she's a poorly written Mary Sue. She uses literally Every force ability without being taught how to access or use the Force. The only true canon are the six movies done by George Lucas.

>>82744265
>emotionally distraught after killing his own father
>shot by wookie crossbow, which is practically a bazooka
>wander actively bleeding through the woods(it shows blood actively dripping off him as he arrives)
>underestimates Finn and receives further injury before getting serious and immediately destroying him
>now have to fight girl that you're lowkey crushing on, and have the end game of trying to turn

He's super hurt, and is going easy on her so that he can turn her to the dark side. It's an error in judgment, and by the time he realizes that he needed to actually take her seriously, she had already taken the advantage.

Rey isn't a lightsaber prodigy, she just has every advantage going into the fight with an experienced but not fully trained warrior. Please note that Kylo Ren isn't exactly given many opportunities to lightsaber duel; his real swordplay experience is limited.

>>82744265
>Can someone who knows a thing or two about Star Wars, explain how Rey was able to defeat Kylo in TFA?
Kylo wasn't even trying to kill her, he wanted to take her as an apprentice because he felt that she has great potential
The writers were lazy so they made that Force vision meme boost when Kylo had her cornered and she went raging on him by surprise
He was emotionally and physically wounded by murdering his father, getting hit with a bowcaster and a lightsaber
Rey fought everyday of her life to survive while Kylo probably wasn't in a lightsaber fight in a decade, or maybe ever (maybe they didn't even get to lightsabers in the Jedi Academy)
And once Rey is aware of her Force capabilities it's pretty clear she's a more powerful Force user (she was stronger in the mind rape interrogation scene, stronger in the pulling the lightsaber from the snow scene and the final battle)

>what the fuck is he doing in gif?
Punching his wound to feed of the feeling of pain to be more powerful because he's an edgy dark side user.

Why do we have this thread every single day?

>>82744443
That was just silly posturing.
Every other Sith/Jedi would have just deflected the shot with his light sabre.

>>82744372
Yes Kylo wasn't in his best shape at the time, but that doesn't make Reys or even Finns fighting skills any moer believeable. It's about technique. Have you ever done HEMA? An experienced martial artist would demolish any untrained combator regardles of circumstances. There's a reason Luke didn't fight Vader in the first movie and got his ass handed to him in the second even after he recieved training.

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>>82744443
>>82744480
>when a girl half your size has the same strength as you do

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>>82744459
Meant to say: "The whole movie is almost completely retarded." Like I've said, I do like Kylo Ren, though. He's the only major character in the movie that I actually buy. Han and Leia seem like Ford and Fischer, not their characters. Luke does a good job of looking like a mystical messiah, but he's only in the movie for a few seconds. Daisy Ridley works her ass off but her acting is too exaggerated, yet oddly expressionless.

>>82744489
Watch the OT again.
Light sabre duels were never about fancy technique.

>>82744333
Nonsense, he defeated Finn and had Rey beat. Even after Rey broke every law of established history about force use, Kylo believable has her beat and then he says, "I can teach you about the Force." And Rey says to herself, "Oh Yeah, the SWARTZ!"

I hate the Force Awakens so much.

>>82744400
You're out of your ass again, need to get back in that smelly thing before you infect others with your retarded stink.

>>82744441
Bitch was never taught about the fucking force, bitch had no right to use the fucking force.

>>82744443
Vader wasn't aiming to kill Luke, but he sure did fuck up his hand when he got uppity. And, Ren had just defeated the superior warrior Finn. Try again you disney shill.

>>82744529
No one said "fancy" technique. Look at a hema fight ffs.

>>82744502
dont forget that she was underfed

and even that small amount of food she ate was pretty much garbage

>>82744487
nah nigga if he deflects that shit you know he's just gonna try and shoot again, but let em see you can stop it and that'll make em listen

>>82744471
Bullshit. A force user named Anakin Sky Walker survived being burnt to a crisp by Lava. Obi Wan fell fifty feet landing on his back and still was able to get up to his feet and jump back up, Fifty feet. Vader suffered third degree burns and was constantly in pain.

Rey's a mary sue.

>>82744480
Prescience is the only ability Rey should have been able to use. Using master level abilities forever cheapened the force. She's a mary sue, loved by everyone able to do anything up to and including flying the falcon in a dog fight even though she only drove it two minutes before.

Say it with me, Rey's a mary sue.

>>82744593
Wouldn't that make Anakin and Obi Wan the Mary Sure?

Also, the prequels never happened.

>>82744487
>Every other Sith/Jedi would have just deflected the shot with his light sabre.
Vader caught Han's shots in cloud city.

>>82744593
>Obi Wan fell fifty feet landing on his back and still was able to get up to his feet and jump back up
not sure if you ever noticed but force users tend to jump noticable higher because of the force and as someone with common sense i assume they can land fine from noticable higher too

>>82744265
Following is the starwars tradition the main character and hero we are routing for loses their first fight. JJ Abrams likes the plot twists. Rey will be the villain.

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Rey could probably kick the shit out of most of the gelatinous blobs of manifest failure that inhabit this board, let alone some padawan with a blaster wound in his chest.

>>82744646
>female villain
>by disney
>in 2017

I have a feeling Rey was supposed to receive some training from Maz at space applebees, before they cut the majority of the second act because Orangeman McButtholeeyes wasn't cutting the mustard.

In my head I keep telling myself they're going to rip of KOTOR and reveal Rey was a fully trained Jedi who was mind-wiped but in reality it'll probably just be because women be stronk, yo.

>>82744265
Ray and Kylo has connection.
Just as she learned to influence minds from him during her interrogation, so she learned to fight with the same style he was using against her in that fight, right after he offered her to become her teacher.

>>82744265
It was shown, rather than told. She had a melee weapon early in the film, when she was just a scavenger. It's made clear she can take care of herself, several times, suggesting that she knows how to use the weapon.

It's furthered by her force sensitivity, which, in canon, allows users to pick up skills quickly. Not all skills, usually particular skills they have an affinity for. Engineering, repair, languages, weapon use, blasters, etc. Rey is shown to have an affinity for technology and weapon use through her interactions over the course of the film.

Now, this doesn't actually make her better than Kylo. She's still obviously worse.

So, enter four factors:

1. They ass pulled her force powers, advancing them too fast. This is the only ass pull in regard to Rey's success in the movie.

2. Kylo is emotionally unbalanced already, and moreso by the time of the fight due to just killing her father.

3. Kylo is severely injured by a wookie bowcaster, which we see used several times in the film to devestating effect. Kylo took a direct hit from this weapon, and is still walking. He's likely a good deal more injured than people realize.

4. We see how weakened he is when even Finn can hold his own for a bit against Kylo, when earlier Finn got his ass handed to him by a melee storm trooper. This is the best show of just how unbalanced and weakened Kylo is by the time he fights Rey. He also uses his force powers to toss Rey off, and fight Finn, he doesn't use this amount of power again after this, suggesting he's simply they weakened that maybe even that much was too much.

Rey's force powers may not actually be an asspull, depending on what we eventually find out about her childhood. She could have already had the details of training wiped from her memory, but still have the skills themselves but like an amnesiac would forgot who taught them how to read, but still be capable of reading.

>>82744733
There's also the theory that she was training with Luke as a little child

He was bleeding out from a bowcaster shot that was shown to blow holes through stormtroopers earlier in the film, he was mentally fucked from killing his dad and had to keep his pain level up to stay connected to the dark side and keep himself conscious.

On top of that used too much energy dicking with Finn and he didn't have enough left in the tank to pull luke's saber out of the ground let alone fight an extended fight with Rey, notice that he had to do a lot of running while fighting her which made him use what little energy he had left. and he couldn't just push her off the cliff at the end because Snoke told him not to kill her because he wanted her as another apprentice.

There was a lot of lazy, clumsy, nostalgia pandering shit about this movie but this scene was actually one of the better parts.

Rey is actually Darth Plageuis they still the body switch sith ritual from SWTOR but make it more child-friendly so it will look like Ginyu body change

>>82744672
This is what I don't get about the current method of pandering. It seems to me making a really good female villain would be far more inclusive than pretending that they're all sugar, spice, and everything nice.

>>82744616
I think you're retarded.

The Prequels are George's Vision, you don't like, get fucked.

Anakin and Obi wan were believable knights and masters who used their powers, believably. And, at the very least, they were trained. Anakin from age 9, Obiwan from age 4. Rey's a fucking trash collecting Sand Nigger who impossibly can into all things force related, Saber related and Deus Ex Machina related because she's immediatlely loved and adored by all, including the Resistance. Shouldn't the Resistance be the Republic seeing as how the Empire was in actuality the Republic. It'd be no different than removing Caesar and returning power to the Senate. Rome returns to a REPUBLIC, they don't become, the resistance.

What a bullshit movie The Shit Awakens is.


>>82744642
Yes, because Once Taught and once you've Practiced, you know how YODA trained Luke to Funnel the force through his body making him, Stronger and more resistant to forced that'd kill an untrained and ordinary chap, Force Masters and Knights are able to do stuff like that. Like when Yoda fell when fighting sidious, and wasn't at all, worse for wear. So saying Kylo was crippled by being shot, is bullshit.

>>82744626
YOU MEAN VADER USED HIS ROBOTIC HAND TO BLOCK THE SHOT? Yes, he did. Kylo, however stopped an energy bolt, in mid air. Victor, Kylo.

>>82744832
>Anakin
>believable

Are you just trolling now?

>>82744832
TFA is JJ's vision. Don't like it? Get fucked.

>>82744864
And JJ was George's first choice as director for it.

>Tiny grazing shot from a bow caster.
>Suddenly gets over powered in hand to hand combat by an untrained 90 lb girl.
>She even kicks him to the ground and laughs at him.
>Supposed to take him seriously after a crushing defeat at the hands of a 5'2", 175 pound 17 year old girl.

>>82744858
In the old canon it's established the Vader scene is actually him absorbing the blaster bolt outside, something Lucas okayed. This lead to force absorption and force deflection using the hands or the force being a skill of high end force users.

Stopping a blaster bolt mid-air is simply an evolution of that concept.

>>82744795
>On top of that used too much energy dicking with Finn and he didn't have enough left in the tank to pull luke's saber out of the ground let alone fight an extended fight with Rey,

you dont run out of force
this is isnt dungeons of dragons

>>82744762
That would actually make sense. So there's no way they'll put it in.

>>82744915
This is untrue, use of the force can take its toll. Between being emotionally unbalanced (Han), injured by a bow caster, using the force to throw Rey away, getting injured by Finn and not actually wanting to hurt Rey, it's actually pretty obviously why he loses. Between his injuries, emotional state and his unwillingness to actually hurt Rey it's really no wonder Rey wins.

For the same reason most girls when arguments and fights over their male counterparts in real life. The guy just sort of gives up because they like the girl and it's easier to just let it go.

>>82744915
Is it that big a stretch to think that significant blood loss, exhaustion, and lack of mental focus from killing your father would impact somebodies wonky space mage powers?

>Kylo was injured, weakened and distracted hurr durr durr
He was kicking Rey's ass until he pushed her to that chasm. Then she tapped into the Force, and the tables turned.

>>82744957
this plus
>>82744762
>>82744923
this

combined make the most sense to me

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>>82744265
>Get shot
>DUDE BETTER PUNCH MY WOUND SO I CAN LOSE LMAFO

This series needs to die

>>82744469
This.

Rey had the high ground

>>82744957
>>82744962
nope
its lack of his ability to being concentrate to use the force

all of which irrelevant, because in the end a girl half his size somehow overpowers a him in physical battle which is plain retarded

and extra irrelevant, when the movie starts with him doing extra special shit aka stopping the blaster shot mid-air in his normal state, not to mention that anger, fear and PAIN are all fuel to dark side powers and also require lot less effort

>>82744785
Yes, because those Younglings, which Rey would have been, are taught some really advanced shit. Oh wait, maybe not seeing as how a dozen of them Jobbed so easily against Anakin Skywalker.

Admit it, Rey's a mary sue. When she pulled the saber too her, that was the tenth example of her being a mary sue. Previously she had flown the falcon in a dog fight expertly, avoiding obstacles and pitfalls against from birth trained pilots. She was able to use force suggestion and telepathy. Luke only ever managed telepathy with his family. And suggestion didn't happen until he was a Jedi knight. Rey's a sand nigger with no training at all who did not even believe in the force and suddenly,she's an expert force user.

>>82744795
And yet he had her beat at a cliff. Admit it, Rey's a mary sue.


>>82744862
Get your head out of your ass, Anakin used every ability within Reason. As a slave for the Jew wasp thing he slaved in the Jew wasp's shop for MOST OF HIS YOUNG LIFE. Because he was a slave. All those droid pieces behind him, you think Anakin got help to take those apart? He was the only person there. He had wrecked every pod race he'd been in. He'd raced for a long time and had in all that time, never finished a race. He used the very ability Luke used when pulling the trigger in his fighter and launching the Homing Missiles that blew up the death star.

It's called Force Danger Sense, or Prescience. It gives you an accented reactionary ability. It's what the younglings in episode 2 were being taught how to access by Yoda, and it's the ability Obi Wan taught Luke how to touch on the Falcon when he encouraged him to lower the helmet's blast shield.

Rey's using impossible shit, right out of her mary sue ass.

>>82744864
J.J. is a shit story teller. Which is why Star trek and into darkness is shit, which is why super eight is shit.

>>82744888
Because he thought JJ was another Spielberg. How could he have known that JJ was a pile of smelly dog shit.

>>82744832
anon I'm afraid you have actual autism

>>82744469
Really to early to say most of this. We have no idea why she so easily tapped into the Force. If it's a Revan situation where she was trained, but was wiped, yet retains the skills, in the way you forget who taught you how to read, but can still read, as an amnesiac? It would explain a lot of what's going on.

However, her affinity for melee combat is perfectly explained by the fact she's been carrying around a melee weapon since her introduction in the movie, as can her affinity for technology. Force Sensitives often pick up skills very, very quickly, even when untrained, such as language - that they already have some affinity for. As a result, we see Rey pick up melee combat and technological understand quickly, building on what is already established by her interactions with technology and the continued presence of her melee weapon early in the film.

>>82744913
You mean a robot arm, stopped an energy bolt and absorbed the energy. A robot ARM? No!

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>>82745048
Holy shit.
I'm not reading all this autistic shit.

Does this pic trigger you?

>>82745072
>However, her affinity for melee combat is perfectly explained by the fact she's been carrying around a melee weapon since her introduction in the movie,

metal staff isnt the same as a lightsaber
if you are trained is sword combat are you still trained in lightsaber combat because the blade of the lightsaber is weightless and feels totally different

this is why TFA is pure retardation with Finn and Rey instantly mastering lightsaber combat

>>82745048
>Yes, because those Younglings,

Depends on who is teaching them really. We already know the Jedi Order that Palpatine crushed had grown arrogant and complacent in many ways, their many weaknesses exploitable. They weren't training their younglings like the Jedi of old, and we have no idea how Luke and later Jedi attempted to train the young. So, we really know nothing about what Rey might have been imbued with as a child, or why she was abandoned.

It's really jumping the ship to say for certain until such things are fully revealed.

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>>82744265
Rey was trained, then mindwhiped and dumped on that shithole to protect her after the knights of Ren started killing all the other jedi trainees

makes perfect sense

>>82745106
>are you still trained in lightsaber combat
you are still not trained*

>>82744265

He wasn't going all out. He was toying with her. He was injured. He was weakened by killing Han. Rey was shown to be a competent fighter in the beginning of the movie. And she cleared her mind to let the Force guide her actions.

It's pretty obvious

>>82745040
The deck was so stacked against him in that fight physically it wasn't even funny. and he still would have won if he had been allowed/wanted to kill her. and another problem is that he is barely connected to the dark side, he flies into autistic rages to appear scary, Vader would have just snapped those troopers necks. He thought killing his Dad would actually make him evil but I think it just fucked him up more and he regretted it weakening his connection to the dark side even further, he is having to punch himself in the wound just to keep himself angry enough to fight.

>>82745048
A U T I S M

>>82745052
Fuckyou!

>>82745072
You know why she so EASILY TAPPED into the Force, she's a mary sue. That's as retarded as saying you could so easily Play an electric guitar as expertly as Jimmy Page or even like Jimmy Hendrix. Bullshit! No force sensitive, until Mary Sue Rey of Course, was able to do impossible shit. Anakin a child of the force Jobbed repeatedly.

>>82745152
>The deck was so stacked against him in that fight physically it wasn't even funny

yes a 40kg underfed girl is truly the greatest enemy of a somewhat wounded man

>Vader would have just snapped those troopers necks.
Maybe in a CG trailer for a new SW videogame. not in a disney movie

> he is having to punch himself in the wound just to keep himself angry enough to fight.

if anything, he was using pain there, not anger

>>82745120
Bullshit. Movies don't work that way. You show it within the context of the film explaining her asspull or its BULLSHIT! Watch Dark City, Murdoch wasn't even a novice since every time he used his ability it was subconscious.

At the end, he's given a shot that gave him, a life time of mastering telekinesis and manipulation of the Strangers technology. Neo was a program in a human guise and yet he was only able to touch is power, not master it, touch it, after dying.

>>82745168
Fuck that, i'm still right. IT MUST anger you people to know i'm right and you're wrong.

>>82745106
Again, affinity for melee combat is not the same as particular training. I brought up the tendency for Force Sensitives to pick up things they have an affinity for quickly. This is shown several times throughout canon and non-canon force sensitives pick up weapons they are not trained in, but having great skill in them without training.

There are several reasons Force Sensitives can pick up a skill quickly. The basic affinity means they have some form of introduction and understanding. So we have understanding of technology and melee combat, regardless of style, on Rey's part.

So what actually makes a force sensitive progress from there?

The answer is in the basics of what a Jedi . . . is. Or any force sensitive. One of the most basic things you'll recall are their emphatic tendencies. Emotion reading. Force Sensitives can push this into mind reading and into other practices. Some come with training, but all are there at a base to some extent. The ability to pick up and understand alien languages without actually being able to speak them with a human mouth would come from a form of passive mind reading.

Rey's picking up of the Lightsaber, a Lightsaber with a long history is key. She touches the saber and sees a mass of visions. What does this mean? Why does this happen?

There's another form of reading in the Star Wars universe. Object history reading. Reading the history of an object, by touching it, and, yes, gleaning skillsets from these histories. This is why a semi-competent mechanic, that's a force sensitive, can touch something they're trying to repair and know how to repair it. The history of the object, how it was made, who repaired it prior, all sorts of things are there.

This is why you hear Force sensitives talk about Droids or Machines almost "speaking" to them. It's rarely a conscious thing, it's very passive, many untrained force sensitives wouldn't even be able to describe why it happens.

This is why most force users are mary sues.

>>82745184
nice caps lock and exclamation marks my dear autistic reddit friend.

>>82745278

TLDR

mary sue, that is all

>>82745278
go back to reeddit JJ

>typing out constant 2000 character posts about a degenerate children flick

how pathetic can you be really

>>82745303
Mary Sue are always self-inserts.
Stop using it for everything you don't like.

>>82745184
>jimmy page

But that's the point. A Force Sensitive could. Let's say a force user with an affinity for music, that's never played a guitar, picked up Jimmy Pages guitar. If they have an affinity for music, just touching the guitar could passively, unconsciously, tell them how to play it.

This is why force users pick up and understand languages they've never heard.

This is why force users can repair ships they've never flown, despite only moderate understanding of technology or repair.

I'm not saying you're wrong about Rey being a Mary Sue. I'm just trying to point out that she's a Mary Sue because . . . that's what all Force Sensitives are. They ARE the Mary Sues of the star wars universe, and if you go watch Rogue One, the ending, where Vader destroys a hallway full of armed soldiers . . . you begin to understand why that's so terrifying, why no one trusts the Jedi anything than the Sith, why the common being in the Galaxy doesn't even see a difference.

They're people with masses of power that most normal people will never have access to. And they are like that BY DESIGN.

Rey isn't the first time a seemingly untrained Force Sensitive has rapidly advanced their power in the force. Some force users are simply better than other force users, this is absolutely canon. That's not even out of the ordinary, coming across exceptionally powerful force users is a repeated occurrence throughout the history of the setting. Sith who could devour worlds. Jedi who raise the dead. Force sensitives that can pick up skills at a rate no normal person could ever hope to, circumventing all the hard work and dedication others require.

>>82745236
Dude, you could get Vladimir fucking Klitchko if you wanted but shoot him in the side with a shotgun, cut his arm, drop an emotional bomb on him like one of his kids just died and make him jog for a couple miles and my sister could finish him off with a knife. are actually autistic? She was a mary sue no doubt about it. but this is one of the few moments in the movie where what she did made sense.

>>82745281
Doesn't matter. I hate the fact that a man's vision is pissed on by Merchants. George Lucas slaved for his vision and his prequels although poorly done is canon. It's law. For some ingrate dogs to come along and say, it's not at all applicable, to what is his story, his baby, his vision. That creates within me a hatred I can barely contain.

>>82745303
I put it to you that Beatrix Kiddo, Sam and Charlie, Mrs Smith, and the bullet bending badass from Wanted, all of them are not even close to what Rey is. For all of them were taught and trained and got good at their craft. Rey's some retarded Sand Nigger who is all powerful for no reason and can do anything including be adored and appreciated by all.

>>82745303
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>>82745358
The posts of people who have had their arguments bested.

>>82745413
>im gonna make a retarded comparison to prove im right

sure buddy

>>82745278
this is the most retarded and cringiest post so far
force affinity wont make you best someone who is actually trained and stronger than you

also what you said about droids is retarded since it affects the 0.0001% and basically only the Exile and Revan that i can even remember having anything of the sort and even that was different because that was them feeling their environment and surroundings, not the machine itself

Force users dont feel droids, that is why HK47 was so good at assassinating them

also everything said by you are not canon

>>82745406
You can have an affinity for music, UNLESS you know what are the notes and keys and strings, being able to play respect for the wind or all along the watch tower or Stair way to heaven is beyond you. Regardless of how familiar you are with the notes.

And Rey is literally the first time some one has done what she did. Even Anakin's taken to battle by Remote, and then he begs R2 to take them off of Remote. He even says the controls in the fighter is exactly like his Racing pod controls. And when overwhelmed he spins the joystick and the fighter spins. He's trying to get away from danger and then he happens onto the droid mother ship. His engines over heat and he ask R2 to restart it. R2 gives him weapons, and he fires at oncoming droids and accidentally destroys a fuel tank. Just like how that lady in Covenant when firing at the Neomorph accidentally hits a fuel tank.

The engines restarts and he guns it. Anakin never once did anything outside of reason. Even pod racing was something he did for years and had wrecked every pod he was in until the events of TPM. And even then his Prescience only made him as expert as his fellow racers. At no time did his prescience made him superior to them.He got good from trial and error.

Rey's a no one from nowhere who didn't believe in the force and suddenly she's using it expertly within a few hours of just hearing about it. To say noting of using it believably. If Han was Leia and she was a Jedi Master, Fine. That'd be an asspull but at least someone force Related Taught Her how to ACCESS the force and USE that access.

Rey's a misused opportunity and they've forever cheapened the force and lessened Rey. She's a piss poor protagonist.

>>82745429
>George Lucas slaved for his vision and his prequels although poorly done is canon. It's law.
But it clearly is not anymore. Midichlorians don't matter or exist.

Also you love George so much but he is responsible for all of this, Not JJ not Disney, it's all George Lucas fault.
He's just an old spineless weak pussy who was afraid to get shat on by critics yet again so he sold his life's work to a children toy manufacturing franchise in hope that everyone would stop blaming him. Fuck him.

>there are people literally defending Rey

this is how you we have redditors here

>>82744529
They had an olmpyic champion fencer or some shit choreograph the light saber duels. Fuck off with saying it wasn't technical.

>>82744529
>>82745692
Lucas himself said that technology didnt allow them for fast action combat when they were making the OT

>>82745570
This is again the point, affinity in the context of a force sensitive simply means the things they pick up easily. I explained in a prior post why, the how, of what makes them pick up a thing easily. You used Jimmy Page, so I used the example of Jimmy Page's guitar.

A force sensitive with an affinity for music, that's never picked up a guitar, could, potentially, play that guitar as was as Jimmy Page right away. No better. No worse.

I explained the different types of reading force sensitives do earlier, and one of those is object history reading, usually passive. Mind reading capabilities as a passive often lead to force sensitives picking up a full language quickly or even instantly, but passively, without really knowing why they are able to do it. The object history reading force sensitives can do works in the same way, it's why a force a sensitive can walk into a ship they've no experience with, but quickly figure out how to repair it.

This isn't in regard to all things, hence, affinities. Rey has an affinity for melee combat and technology/repair, a fairly common combination for force sensitives in star wars canon. Obi-Wan had an affinity for animals/nature and thus could communicate with or as least 'beast trick' animals he'd never interacted with and had no studied knowledge of how to train.

As for Rey being a no one. We don't know who she is. We don't know what her background is. We don't know how this era of Force Sensitives is or was trained. We don't know if she was trained. We don't know if she wasn't trained. We don't know if her memories have been wiped. We don't know if she's just an exceptionally powerful force sensitive or not, which has happened many times before.

We don't know a lot.

Even Anakin's understand of pod racers was out of the ordinary and was directly linked to his affinity for technology and his force sensitive nature picking up piloting, tech and repair at an accelerated rate.

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>>82744441
>Physical form doesn't mean shit.

To a certain extent. One of the reasons Anakin beats Count Dooku is because he's in the prime of his life and Dooku's physically an old man. Or look at Yoda and Sidious fighting. The deciding factor in the fight is that Yoda gets blasted out of the Senator pod because he physically weighs a lot less than Sidious does, while Sidious is able to hold on to the pod.

>>82744265

I feel like a more interesting question is this: Does it work for the story of the trilogy going forward to have Rey beat Kylo so utterly mentally and physically in the first film? Has there ever been a trilogy where the protagonist beat one of the main villains in the first movie and then later that same villain came roaring back as a legitimate threat?

>>82746000
Qui-Gon
he got killed in the first movie then he almost killed Batman

>>82745576
I could give a shit what those assholes at the House of Rats and Decay has done. They're nothing. Star Wars ended Chronologically with Jedi. And MidiChlorians are nothing more than antennae that bridges the physical with the spiritual.


And George is responsible for nothing. He give a man a mountain, he cuts it down to make a parking lot. Why do you fault another man who sold the worthless worm the mountain. the other man should have had the foresight to appreciate the mountain.

>>82745740
Guitar player here. That's not how it works. It took me hours to get the basic chords down and you know what happens to you, your fingers calluses and sometimes bleed. Mine doesn't any more no matter what I do with the chords. Rey should have gotten calluses and had bleeding fingers.

The only equivalent or Rey would be like Playing Naruto Ninja storm and not knowing the moves yet pulling out reversals and holds and throws and Jutsu finishers.

Rey wasn't trained. You can't even say you know she was because you never saw her train, and no one said she trained. It's assumed that's the case but that's not how movies work. All we knew about Quill was that he was half human and he had a daddy that was alien. So him having the power of a Celestial is not at all an asspull because they're billions of alien beings and him being anyone of them doesn't at all lessen what he is.

And Remember, Anakin was a slave in Jew wasp's shop, he accepted and took apart parts,be they ship parts or droids. Him putting together a working racer, with Qui gon's help is not at all, unbelievable. Remember the first Pods he raced wasn't made by him, it belonged to the Wasp Jew.

Rey's the only of her kind, the first mary sue, a veritable put in for Jar Jar and Kennedy and other losers at the house of rats and decay.

>>82746000
We don't know if Kylo is going to be the main villain of the whole trilogy.

>>82745429
>For some ingrate dogs to come along and say, it's not at all applicable, to what is his story, his baby, his vision. That creates within me a hatred I can barely contain.
Maybe he shouldn't have sold it then

>>82746398
Sold or not, the ruiner of what he's given them are to blame. if you're incompetent then you're incompetent.

>>82746485
No it's perfectly fine to ignore the existence of something like the prequels
It can only improve any further content

>>82744265
Her humiliating the main villain, being shown to be atleast even in power with him and blowing up their main base in the first movie means the sequels are poorly set up.

The same is true for ANH, but atleast theres a big bad menace in the form of Darth vader, who they avoid and who is completely dominant. That story is also complete, without sequels which TFA is not.

Also furthers her mary sue aspects, although the worst offenders in that regard are her friends coming and saving her and she's already escaped by herself and can climb up walls like crazy.

Star wars manchildren triggering always gives me a good laugh.

Disney owns the franchise now and there's nothing you can do about it.

>>82745429
Look at yourself my man. You have an uncontrollable hatred for something you can't control involving space fantasy movies thats main purpose is to sell toys.

>>82744265
I think he's hitting himself because he thinks pain and suffering are related to the dark side and make him stronger. Maybe because of the whole "anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering" or "hate leads to the dark side" except since he's not a real jedi or sith he just assumes all bad things are good and make him stronger I guess.

As for why Rey defeats Kylo I guess Rey has more midichlorians :^) The fact that the plot requires her to defeat Kylo is the actual in-universe explanation. The Force is like a god and the Force makes Rey defeat Kylo because it's the way it's meant to be. It will probably be explained in Episode 8 how Rey is some sort of chosen one or whatever.
Fuck nu Star Wars and fuck JJ Abrams.

>>82745576

Midichlorians never mattered. If you think they did, then you didn't pay attention to the prequels

>>82746202
>the other man should have had the foresight to appreciate the mountain

If you are the guy who worked on that mountain for his entire life, you sure as fuck won't just go sell it to a big name corporation fully knowing they would make a parking lot out of it.

If he really still cared about the mountain he would either look carefully who to give/sell it to or not sell it to anyone and leave the mountain intact.

>>82746550
The Father, maker, Creator of all things Star Wars extended the little that was with his prequel films. If you want to suck the mouse's penile poison dart then that's your business. You will not however be allowed to question the Creativity of Lucas' Genius!

>>82746799
Rey's an irreparably broken Protagonist.

>>82747033
I will rage until the sun goes dark if I'm able to.

>>82747416
I will not fault George's genius because Dyke Kennedy and Jar Jar Jew and the house of rats and decay sought to spit on what should have been an easily slam dunk. They fouled up.

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> This thread again
If Rey was dude there would not be this much autistic butthurt

>>82748578
PUhlease anon. It was garbage "ahh I'm a 10 pound girl with no muscle about to get my face burned off I'm just gonna fall asleep and think about the force for a minute. It totally makes sense that I can not only hold back his saber with my twig arms but can go into a special force trance as well"

Honestly thought Kylo would rek their shit and we'd finally have real stakes but nope

>>82744265
The entire film builds up the bowcaster as being able to really fuck you up.
The fact that Kylo's able to do any of this is impressive but it's not surprising that he loses.

>>82748678
You must be a real riot at parties

What the fuck was the trade federation? Can someone explain that shit to me?

I figured he was hitting the wound to relieve the pain.

>>82748871
>hitting the wound to relieve the pain.
so if you have a stab wound for example, it is hurting you and then you hit the wound several times with your fist, then the pain alleviates??

where is the logic there?

>>82744265
its an old samurai technique apparently if you keep yourself in pain, you can keep yourself awake if you are injured. He was wounded and didnt want to pass out from blood loss or others

>>82748993
causes more adrenaline to rush through your body

Rey is a Mary Sue but not because of this fight, this part was actually pretty well-explained in comparison to "I bypassed the compressor!" (still makes me fucking mad just thinking about that scene)

>>82749080
have you tried it ?

>It's another one of these threads

Jesus fuck it's explained to you in the goddamn movie
>Shot through the stomach with a heavy blaster
>Feeling conflicted from just killing his dad
>Was clearly not trying to kill Rey during the fight
>Still was easily beating her and had her on the run the entire time, until the end when he let his guard down to try and get her to join him

And he's hitting the wound to get adrenaline pumping and keep himself from passing out due to blood loss

>>82748993
you've never lightly punched something on your body that hurts? It's the same concept behind massages, it increases blood flow and also moves your conscious attention to a larger/different area

>>82749311
Yeah, gives you momentary relieve of pain.

>>82749080
also, when you have an opened wound, the better solution is to press the wound to stop the bleeding, if you hit the wound a lot more blood would come out

also in movies you always see how when someone that is wounded have a fight the other hit the wound to win the fight because it causes much pain...

>>82744529
The lightsaber props in the OT were fragile so Lucas couldnt go all out like he wanted to.

>>82749414
It's Star Wars, weapons always cauterize the wounds.

>>82749419
And the OT was better for it.
If you give Lucas everything he wants you end up with shit like the ridiculous duel with Yoda.

>>82744265

>tfw by Episode IX they find Earth and colonize it, and then "A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far, away" makes sense

didn't learn a thing from midichlorians

>>82746211

At worst, he's going to be mostly evil for TLJ in order for him killing Han and thus committing himself to the Dark Side to mean something. And it's almost guaranteed that Kylo and Rey will have a rematch at some point. But seeing as how TFA already established Rey as Kylo's (and everyone else's) superior both mentally and physically, I wonder how the writers are going to make Kylo seem like a threat to her.

I don't think it's ever been done in a trilogy before.

>>82748578
But there's no other heroine as remotely broken as Rey is. I've listed a few. Long Kiss Good night, Mr And Mrs Smith, Wanted, Tomb Raider, Kill Bill, Terminator 2, all of them more believable protagonist than maRey Sue. Rey's a sand nigger who could into everything force related, but if that wasn't bad enough, she's immediately loved by all and trusted by the resistance who literally just met her. She's sent to Luke, a mission that was vital to the survival of the Resistance, is given to some no named sand nigger they just met. She can climb any obstacle including, MOUNTAIN SIZED Sheer walls, She can talk any language, she can pilot the Falcon, in a dog fight, in the innards of an obstacle course as difficult as the one we saw in Return of the Jedi, and all this after only learning how to fly the falcon, A CUSTOM made freighter. She's like J.J.'s Fantasy Avatar.

>>82749319
He's hitting himself to become more powerful. Sadness, fear, loss, pain, all these the dark side users.

>>82749563
Bullshit, the OT sucked because of it. Take your head out of Mike's ass, you cur.

>>82750031
>The OT sucked
Okay, I'm done.

>>82750098
No, you illiterate lint shit, the saber battles in the OT sucked, as did a lot of the special effects. The Prequels special effects and saber battles were superior. I don't give a fuck what RLM told you to say, you idiot!

>>82749798
>I don't think it's ever been done in a trilogy before.

Actually, scratch that. "The Matrix" did something very similar with Neo and Mr. Smith. Neo beats the shit out of Agent Smith in the first movie, only to be faced with a much more powerful version in the sequels.

>>82749480
That is true but then, why can we see that Kylo is bleeding.?

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>>82749978
> Getting triggered about what a self insert protagonist can and can not do in a space adventure fantasy film whose main source of profit comes from selling toys and video games to little kids

>>82749604
what

Can people stop being so fanboyish and discussing if theres some explanation for her skill or not?
Hypothetically, imagine a character who is the most beautiful and powerful and loved from the getgo, but all his powers are explained prior to the action. It's still probably a bad character, as the MC doesn't overcome something within himself.

I didn't like Rey because I thought she felt forced and unrealistic when she didn't want to be handheld by Finn, and she did nothing to prove otherwise. Her only stated flaws (abandonment issues) are told to the audience, but not shown in any meaningful way.
It's a pointless movie, even "dumb" action movies atleast follow a formula where there will be some sort of payoff at the end, this movie just sits ontop of popular culture and says, "Hey, I'm Star Wars, love me"

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>>82744265
My favorite scene in The Force Awakens. Only low IQ faggots who play too many video games can't wrap their brain around this scene. People who can't understand and just complain about this scene every time the film comes up, don't reproduce. You are fucking idiots. Go play your KOTOR like the faggots you are. Star Wars is not about what sith level you have.

>>82748678
You don't know shit about star wars. "size matters not" said Yoda, and thus your argument holds no weight. But you wouldn't know that, because you are not a real star wars fan. Just into a bunch of fake ass video game shit. OH BOY SITH POWERS ARE STRONG LOOK AT MY MUSCLES! No. Star wars is not about faggot shit like that. Kill yourself.

>>82744265
In-universe explanation: the dark side isn't stronger.

>>82744560
Yes. He was posturing to scare him. That's what he just said you moron.

>>82749978
Another virgin faggot who has never been laid. Go back to your video games, you low IQ mongoloid.

She used the force. Get over it faggot.

>>82752787
What did you like about about?

>>82744832
>Shouldn't the Resistance be the Republic seeing as how the Empire was in actuality the Republic.

You're fucking retarded. The Resistance was funded by the Republic in First Order controlled space, just like the US does with insrugents in the Middle East.

>>82749480
No, weapons don't cauterize you stupid faggot. The first movie Obi-Wan slices off an arm and what do you know, ITS FUCKING BLEEDING.

You just heard some other faggot say this, it's not canon. Look it up.

>>82752949
Because it was a good Saber fight. Good set. Good music. Strong emotions. Not a horrible display of spinning like the prequel fights. I hated the Phantom Menace fight so fucking much.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0mUVY9fLlw&t=54s

>>82744265
she's a strong woman and he's just a weak white male

The entire EU was based on answering retarded star wars questions like this.

>>82744896
>5'2 175 lb girl
thats a huge bitch

>>82750208
This.

>>82750208
RLM just put into video format what we all feel. OT saber battles were far superior in every way. The prequel fights had no soul and no emotion.

>Trained all his life to become a Jedi
>Canonized to be one of the strongest fighter in the entire galaxy
>Hits himself on a wound that would kill a normal person, which makes it much worse

Bravo J J Abrams

>>82744469
>Rey even used Force Pull, an ability that would have taken her being Taught or at the very least
Luke used it in the beginning of Empire and was never taught.

>>82754337
That's bullshit. They were not at all, superior. That's the dumbest Shit I've ever heard anyone with half a brain say. Fucking Jedi are based on SAMURAI, not fags playing stick tops. Samurai were known for their blazing speed and impossibly fast counters. Fuck that RLM bullshit, you impetuous donut!

>>82754579
LUKE TOOK FIVE FUCKING MINUTES, FIVE MINUTES TO JUST MAKE THE HILT BUDGE, THAT FUCKING MARY SUE FUCK FORCE PULLS THE SABER FROM A SUPERIOR FUCKING FORCE USER. FUCK OFF!

>>82754991
No. They are based on Knights as much as Samurai. Star Wars is more of an authurian legend than some eastern shit. Also you don't know shit about Samurai. You have been watching too much anime like the faggot you are. The OT even had fighting choreography that was closer to real swordsmanship than the bullshit spinning and flipping around like in the prequels. I challenge you to go look up historical facts before you start going all weebshit on me. I like RLM because they expressed the feelings I've always had about the prequels. They were lacking in the areas that made the OT superior. The fights between Vader and Luke had better music score, better lighting, real sets that were better, better choreography (they were actually trying to hit eachother rather than dance around like faggots).

>>82755028
Nope. The entire Wompa scene is less than 5 minutes. Kill yourself and learn some facts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqSM_I5q-cA

Kylo was incredibly weak from chewies bowcaster hit and he was fighting against mary sue plot powers.

>>82755145
George Lucas said SAMURAI, you know, like his favorite movie which is of JAPANESE ORIGIN and features, SAMURAI!

You don't get to say what George Lucas meant, When he himself said what he meant and what he wanted. And I agreed with him when he said it first more than twenty years ago, SO Both you, and RLM and Mike And all of you, could go eat shit for all I care!

>>82755228
Fucking LUKE had known about the Force and had used it with Prescience FOR MORE THAN A YEAR. ESB takes place a year after, ANH. REY the fucking Mary SUE! Hears about the Force and within hours, she's using Master level abilities. But the greatest sin of them all, was her out pulling a force master. She had no business using the force at all because she didn't believe in it, and she went from not believing to using. Why The Fuck Did She Give Luke The Saber? She proved to be more able than He was in three movies and more capable than OBI WAN proved to be in six movies!

She's a horribly broken, Mary SUE!

>>82755377
That must be why the prequels is more about western mythology and historical parallels than anything else. The Republic is literally the roman empire. Kill yourself weebfaggot.

>>82755467
The film is called The Force Awakens. Rey was beat and then the force helped her win. She's got more raw talent with the force than anyone else. Get over it faggot. Only low IQ negroids spam mary sue.

>>82744265
Ren wasn't anywhere near as strong as the badass image he was trying to project. We got hints of this throughout the film. Say what you want about Rey being a boring character and too much of a Mary Sue (which I think the jury is still out on before we actually find out WHO the fuck she really is) but Ren is a more interesting villain than Vader was in A New Hope and Anakin was in the prequels.

>>82755467
Calm down, Max.
It's still better than your movies.

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>>82755248
>mary sue plot powers

>>82755467
Obi-wan was fucking based, don't blaspheme him by saying Rey was better cause she beat a moody kid in one fight, did a mind trick on an idiot guard and did some stunts in the Millennium Falcon.

Obi-wan chopped Darth Maul IN HALF - the guy who'd just killed his Jedi Master boss.

>>82744265
It's a shame Adam Driver chose to work on this fucking abomination of a series.

His acting in Silence and Paterson really showed a genuine up-and-coming talent.
Now he's just going to go down as a fucking meme. Was that worth the payday?
I hope he gets less meme roles for his own sake.

>>82755482
Fucking Lucas said, The JEDI were fashioned AFTER The Fucking SAMURAI based upon his favorite movie. So, you could go and eat a bowl, no bucket, NO A FUCKING OLYMPIC POOL FULL OF CROW'S SHIT!
>>82755575
Eat shit. Pieces of dog shit like you can't even stop to what Max has accomplished. Neither you nor your savior, Mike of RLM.

>>82755659
I never said that Fucking Mary Sue was better, I said if we accept the Shit Awakens as canon, She had proven to be more effectual with the force than he was in Six movies. Because Rey is that broken of a character. She can literally do anything including being trusted by people she just met. The Resistance just met this sand nigger and already she'd doing missions and she's congratulated although POE blew up the death star and they entrust her to go to Luke? A sand nigger they just met? And Leia hugs REY, a stinking, smelly, ugly looking sand nigger she just met instead of a dear friend?

how can i be excited for next movie when i know nothing can hurt Mary Sue? It's not funny to watch someone who always win and learn only one thing which is "I'm so awesome, nobody can hurt me"

>>82755659
Darth Maul didn't even try to hit him.
I could've beaten him.

>>82745048
>Luke only ever managed telepathy with his family

Have you ever seen Return of the Jedi?

>>82755826
will you fucking calm the fuck down. Jesus fucking Christ... You'll knock over one of your piss bottles.

>>82755703
I hate to intrude on you guys' autistic discussion.
But what the fuck does George wanting Jedis to be Samurais have with the boring awful fights in the prequels?

>>82744265
Because they wrote it that way

>>82755969
NOW they're awful boring. Maybe it's not your big, go watch time cock i mean cop or whatever theatrical marvel your bitch, mike of rlm has released. Go enjoy that, k?

>>82755931
I'm fine. It's when a bunch of no good forever losers questions some one who as given mankind more than they ever will have. And who do they praise, Dyke Kennedy and Jar Jar Jew, and the House of Rats and Decay. NO, I take that back, Calling that cunt a Jew insult awesome hollywood theatrical masters, like Ramis and Spielberg. J.J's a damn awful incompetent story teller. It's why Super 8, although technically compliant, is a shit film. It'll never be a classic. Cloverfield is more of a classic than Super 8 ever could be.

>>82756113
you really need to go back, mate

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>>82754337
>RLM just put into video format what we all feel.
Anon...

>>82744265
He was heavily injured and mentally fucked and the Force had just awakened and was powerful in Rey. Also, Kylo didn't want to kill her because he wanted her to join him.

That's it. It's that simple. In that gif he's trying to boost his adrenaline by hitting his wound.

>Fags who were just little kids when the prequels came out are now old enough to post here
>People start defending the prequels here
I'm sure that's totally unconnected

>>82756478
What's so bad about the prequels?

I haven't watched them.

>>82746000
>Thinking Kylo is going to roar back as the big bad
This is the mistake people keep making. He's not supposed to be the real main threat. This is so obvious it's not even funny but people keep talking like he's supposed to be the big villain Rey levels up to beat.

Look at the poster for TLJ and tell me that Kylo is projected to stay evil. I think he's going to start switching sides next movie. He's the Zuko to Rey's Aang; a villain who is an antagonist but is not THE villain. He fails constantly and they clash a lot. Sometimes one gets bested, sometimes the other, but eventually they end on the same page.

>>82756534
Nothing. Just RLM sheep.

>>82744400
>rape exists

>>82755526
Using the force makes you the number 1 pilot and know how to fly the millennial falcon with no experience?

>>82756534
It's what the Crystal Skull is to the Indiana Jones OT.

>>82749798
Bullshit. When Kylo is at full strength, Rey's going to have an issue. I think this is pretty clear. Even all the leaks so far say that he bests her and knocks her off a cliff.

>>82756600
Yes everyone loved the prequels before RLM reviewed it...

>>82756265
>>82756265
Go back where, nigger?

>>82756359
She had no right using the force, she's a broken mary sue.

>>82756478
I'm older than all of you, original series watcher here, was old enough to see the last in theaters, thank you, and you know what? Prequels were infinitely better than the shit awakens.

>>82756681
>implying everyone hated the prequels before RLM
See >>82756706

>>82756594
>The Zuko to Rey's Aang
This is probably exactly what it is. I'd bet money that Rey has some serious power in her that will be revealed in her lineage that gives her a better comparison to Aang. And no she's not a fucking Skywalker.

>>82756706
>had no right using the Force
What does this even mean? You're Force sensitive or you're not. They're usually unconsciously using it even before it truly awakens in them, thus the better natural aim/piloting/fighting skills.

>>82756772
Yes people weren't singing about how Lucas raped their childhood or anything.

If you lie about your age at least get your facts straight.

>>82756874
People who complain about films ruining their childhood never had a childhood to begin with.

>>82755826
>And Leia hugs REY, a stinking, smelly, ugly looking sand nigger she just met instead of a dear friend?
She's a racist and doesn't want to touch wookies (which is why she repeatedly snubs chewie in the movies and even ventures into hate speech territory calling him things like a carpet). Her faction is a bunch of holier than thou hypocrites who style themselves as a 'resistance' against a human supremacist empire despite the fact that they have everything going for them. But ultimately she doesn't care about aliens, it's just a way to claim the moral highground. So there's no problem with that part of the script, it's the most realistic part of the movie.

>>82756936
Are you genuinely autistic?

>>82757013
>projecting

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What's wrong with his face?

>>82757035
I'm not the one taking "ruined my childhood" literally.

>>82756706
>a GIRL can't use much force!!
You've been at this so long now you ought to take on the nickname Mary Sue-kun

>>82757061
You don't understand, particular figures of speech trigger me so I have to pretend everyone who uses them have terrible lives in order to sleep at night.

>>82757045
He dropped 50 pounds for this role. That's what's wrong with his face.

>>82756874
Nigger, I was there when the TPM first Preview Dropped. We were excited. After the TPM we were less excited about AOTC, after that we were even less excited about ROTS, and after that we were like, Okay time for a real Sequel.

And then The shit awakens happened.

>>82756978
You go on as if ESB or ROTJ didn't happen in which she was warmer with Chewie. And that was thirty years ago. I'm sure they'd be infinitely closer or close enough that she'd HUG CHEWIE INSTEAD OF SOME UNKNOWN SMELLY desert nigger she just met. You know how I know you're a JJ and the house of rats and decay, shill?

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>>82757549
Hooooooly shit you mad af lmao

>>82757173
OH, Get your head out of your ass. The prequels had women, and girl younglings and you know what i saw, that we didn't see about REY, They WERE BEING TAUGHT! Rey magically can into all things force related. And that's not her only sin, She can fly the falcon better than Han because we've never seen Han fly the Falcon inside a death defying Obstacle Course, . Lando did that. But J.J. had Rey, within two minutes of ever piloting the Falcon, doing the very same obstacle course, against TIE fighters like Lando did, which is of course bullshit.

>>82755837
How good would it be if Rey dies?

>>82757549
>You go on as if ESB or ROTJ didn't happen in which she was warmer with Chewie.
Girls try to get along with a guy's friends if they want him to give them the d. Doesn't mean they like them.

>>82757045

Daisy's not sitting on it.

>>82757770
You cannot defend Jar Jar Jew having Leia Hug this fucking mary sue sand nigger. Nothing you can possibly say legitimizes that Neomorphic ugly cunt doing all the thing she did. Just like Jar Jar Jew screwed up Super Eight in trying to replicate a superior story teller like Steven Spielberg, he fucked up with Rey. Lando was the only boss character in the series we saw handle the Falcon awesomely, until Mary Sue Fucking Rey did the very same thing he did in the innards of an old death star. She's a horribly broken Mary Sue, and there's nothing you can say that changes that. Everyone likes her and they've only just met her. The fag blows up the death star and everyone congratulate the unwashed smelly the sand nigger. Fuck!

>>82757658
Rey's natural piloting skill is no different than little kid Anakin's natural pod racing skill, Mary-kun. Its actually more believable since she's older.

>>82758284
Get your head out of J.J.'s ass, Please. Rey is a broken mary Sue. Anakin Skywalker fucked up every pod he was in. Anakin Skywalker PRACTICED to get good, Rey's first time in a CUSTOM MADE freighter was perfect on her first try. And not only that, she immediately engages in a dog fight, IN THE INSIDE OF A death defying obstacle course that is beat for beat repeat of what LANDO DID. And here's the thing, LANDO AND HAN CUSTOM ADDED CONTROLS TO THE FALCON. Luke did not know which did what his first time in the Falcon.

>>82758476
Why did a slave child had tons of pods to practice with and destroy?
That makes no sense at all.

>>82758284
Anon, the difference is that she's a g-girl.

I don't know why people are so hyper-focused on Rey's strength. That's never what made her a Mary Sue. Plenty of super powerful characters aren't Mary Sues. What makes a Mary Sue is when they have almost no personality flaws and everybody around them likes them immediately. THAT is what makes Rey a Mary Sue, not being powerful in a series with sentient Space Magic and prophecies.

>>82758476
The Falcon was modified on Jakku and Rey knew of them. Also, she practiced constantly on flight simulators and had nothing better to do than sit around building things with the scrap she found and beat off anyone who came to steal her shit, which probably happened a lot. Considering she's 19, that's a lot of years of practice with all of those things.

>>82758515
You mean why did Jew Wasp put a slave as a jockey in a death defying race? You mean why did Jew wasp use a slave instead of paying for a racer to race his pods for him? You mean why did he use a slave he used for most of that slaves life to run his shop for him? is that what you're asking?

Well, the slave never finished a race and his developed Prescience only ever made him as proficient as his fellow racers. He never once did anything that wasn't at all, believable. Unlike you Mary Sue Rey, of course.

>>82758616
Yes why would he let a useless child damage his expensive equipment?

>>82758661
it was old crap that anakin managed to turn into podracing shit. you have to give your slaves some reason to live so they don't kill themselves or run off

Anyone who hates TFA is a vidya EU faggot none star wars fan.

>>82758516
Rey had no business using the Force. Lucas compared the Force to a martial art. YOU have to be taught. The only natural ability you can use without any training is PRESCIENCE. It's literally entry level force use. YODA taught Luke how to take that and channel it through his body. Hence why he had Luke jumping and leaping. He told Luke not to think in terms of Physical strength. But, to be able to channel the force to the point you don't need to use physical strength, you have to be taught how to channel it to enhance your physical abilities.

Rey's all powerful for no reason, and she's loved by everyone and trusted by everyone. She's a broken Mary Sue.


>>82758571
Bullshit, My Grand uncle was an airline mechanic for all of forty years. Guess how many Commercial Aircrafts he can pilot expertly on his first try?
Give me a number, I'll wait.

Rey's a horribly broken, Mary Sue.


She had never flown the falcon until the events of the movie and if they had her speeding over open desert running for her life then that I could forgive, THE FUCKING MOMENT THEY HAD HER SPEEDING DEATH DEFYINGLY IN THE INNARDS OF AN OBSTACLE COURSE LITERALLY EQUIVALENT TO WHAT LANDO DID, i KNEW THEN THAT THE MOVIE WAS PURE DOG SHIT!

>>82758705
Yeah, sorry he's a magic Jesus child that can make space race cars out of worthless trash and not some fucking Mary Sue like Rey.

>>82758714
the eu had some legitimately good books while nu-eu just has a cartoon for babies. also 'fans' of things are retarded

>>82758476
I know you're fully erect at the sight of these (You)s, but it's been like 8 hours now, aren't you tired of Trump-baiting die hard Star Wars defenders yet?

>>82758779
Does your grand uncle have the Force and was he inside the "new" ship he piloted and seeing their modifications for years?

>>82758792
i'm not the same guy you were arguing with btw. and everyone always called anakin a mary sue, it's one of the main critcisms of episode 1. this doesn't somehow change the fact that rey is one

>>82758779
These characters you're taking so seriously have actual space magic. I can't quite tell if you're a genuine autistic or not, but if you drop the exclamation points the whole thing will read much more genuinely and less sarcastically.

>>82758838
The whole discussion is about how Rey is somehow a worse Mary Sue than TPM's Anakin.

>>82758661
Because he runs a parts shop. You bring in parts, he sells them or buys them he has his slave take them apart. Why's that so hard. You can't legitimize mary sue Rey, give up.

>>82758714
ahahahah, get fucked bitch!

>>82758792
Nice try faggot, but nothing you say legitimizes mary sue rey. Anakin had never finished a race and at the end he's taken to battle via remote and uses the very same ability of avoiding danger or Prescience in a vessel that was exactly like his pod's controls. Nothing you say can legitimize what Rey did in the Falcon, or her being loved and trusted by the Resistance or the fact that she used Force Telepathy and Force Suggestion, or even stupider, Force Pull. She's a horribly broken Mary Sue. Get over it!

>>82758811
I like it here. And Rey's a Mary Sue, and the force awakens is a pile of shit, and nothing anyone says can ever change that. JJ fucked it up like he fucked up super eight and like he fucked up star trek. Everything has to be retarded. Everything he touches turns to shit.


>>82758823
Bullshit, Anakin could not fight MAUL. Anakin did not fly to the space battle , he was taken there by Remote. Luke Skywalker was a pilot like his mate, BIGGS and Luke couldn't make head nor tails of the Falcons controls. Say it with me, Rey's a Mary SUE!

>>82758838
Anakin had trained as a Jedi for all of ten years and still jobbed heavily against Dooku and even heavier against Obi Wan. He's many things, but he's never been a Mary Sue, Never once.

>>82744459
>what is because Kylo is still conflicted about what to do and what side to take

I'm not an Abrams fan by any means but this shit is was so fucking easy to understand. /tv/ is basically an honorary subreddit at this point

>>82758992
You still have to be taught. Everyone in Movie History had to be taught. Until Mary Sue Rey came along.

>>82758795
Actually people who read the new canon books feel that they are becoming better than the original, contrived and bloated EU full of contradictions. Now there is consistency in the story.

>>82744265
Kylo is a trap antagonist. He's really powerful and fucks shit up for the movie because nobody else can use the force. In the end he had to face Chick Space Jesus and he fails. We are supposed to lose all respect for him to make him into more of a tragic failure than the tragic badass he wants to be with the whole worshipping his dead grampaps mask.

Basically a reverse Vader.

>>82759005
Anakin was never a mary sue, Rey however is. I will debate you filth until forever and more until you I've drilled it deeply into the core of you.

>>82759005
That's a completely reasonable stance. She did much more bullshit stuff (which has been established to require training for everyone besides her) than anakin did. Anakin was just good at piloting because of force instincts, rey can instantly do advanced space magic (and also pilot with force instincts).

>>82759011
He stopped being one later on but randomly winning a war by spinning is pretty retarded.

>>82759072
She used the power after they it was used on her.
She's basically a Jedi Blue Mage.

>>82759193
The movie establishes that she has experience with the Falcon.

>>82744832
>this retarded movie is bad and doesn't count but this even more retarded movie counts as gospel because muh Lucas

Wew lad

The prequels were unmitigated trash, they may have been george'S vision, but they just made it crystal clear that Star Wars wasn't george's vision and that his vision blew dicks.

Prequels never happened

>>82759235
How is that relevant to anything I said? Also anakin presumably has experience with his podracer.

>>82759293
It's relevant to your claim that she can do everything without training

>>82754579
He had some training by Obi-wan you twat

He was having an autistic fit.

>>82759334
Learn to read you faggot. I said she does much more bullshit stuff (mind control, telekinesis, etc) with no training. That doesn't imply everything she does was untrained.

>>82759391
Obi-Wan never taught him "Force Pull".

>>82759235
She never flew the Falcon before, so fixing it or working on it, doesn't mean shit. Luke worked on it too, as did Leia, are they proficient in Falcon flight, Too?

>>82759334
And yet Anakin wrecked every pod he was in even though he was racing for years. He had to get Good, when did Rey crash the Falcon to GET GOOD?

>>82759011
Well hey I'm glad you've got an outlet for this, I hope this place keeps you from capturing prostitutes and lecturing them on the force until they've learned to echo 'Rey is a broken Mary Sue who has no right to use the force!' if they don't want to be electrocuted.

>>82759415
You mentioned piloting you twat

>>82759427
>She never flew the Falcon before,
Says who?

>>82759442
There is something amiss. Happily this aides in whatever, so here I am and if all goes well I'll continue doing whatever this is, so as long as it keeps other things abiding.

>>82759487
Did she say, "OI, I flew that and crashed it several times until i got good and e'en den I fukking hate it cause it wobbles funne." Did she say that. She said it's junk, and me and a guy did such and such, she never said, I'm a pilot who flew it.

She's never flown it, never once. So say it with me, REY'S a broken, Mary Sue!

>>82759561
If you heavily modify a vehicle, it's a pretty normal thing to test drive it a lot.

But hey if the characters don't say everything out loud, it sucks, right?
You'd probably be okay with the fight against Kylo if she said "It's over, Kylo. I have the high ground"

>>82759453
In a parenthetical aside echoing the one above it which I described as a different situation, retard.

>>82759699
My Grand Uncle never test drove shit. Rey worked with some one, Them test driving it was fine. Not fucking Rey though. She helped him, she didn't pilot the falcon for him, otherwise she would have said, "I drove it lots and lots."

>>82759699
No, I would have been fine if Finn and her took Kylo down or Luke suddenly appeared and took Kylo down. As is, Star Wars died when George Sold it.

>>82756642
> Its perfectly ok for a 8 year old force sensitive boy to get in a Naboo Starfighter for the first time ever and accidentally blow up the droid death star, saving the day for everyone
> Its unacceptable for a 18 year old force sensitive scavenger girl to have some flight experience after spending her entire life around ships on a ship junkyard planet

>>82759863
>otherwise she would have said, "I drove it lots and lots.
Why?

>As is, Star Wars died when George Sold i
Star Wars already died with TPM

You are all retarded.

>>82759938
Then she's a mary sue. Is all. She had no business moving it to say nothing of doing so inside a death defying obstacle course reminiscent of Lando in the death star in ROTJ.

>>82759924
8 year old has driven racing pods for years. Wrecked everyone. yes, his ability with prescience was well trained. At the last battle, he's taken there via remote control, uses vessels controls that are identifical to racing pod controls, avoid danger, survives.

As opposed to, Bitch using every fucking force ability known to man on her first try. Without any training, and never having used Prescience, not even once. Didin't even believe in the force, and yet she's fucking force pulling mother fucking sabers, and using telepathy and suggestion, all of which on her first try after just hearing about the force. And yet a tried and true racer, who had wrecked several pods and, had never used the force AT ALL other than Prescience, and you're comparing him to Mother Fucking MaREY SUE. I'd say fuck you but that probably insults actual mother fuckers!

>>82760152
Who taught Luke to pull light sabres using the Force?
Who taught Luke to do mind control?
Who taught Luke to jump really high?

>>82745072
>We have no idea why she so easily tapped into the Force
because rey is a mary sue and she represents perfectly and unintentionally represents the delusion of female empowerment

>>82755467
Actually, I'm pretty sure Empire Strikes Back takes place four entire years after A New Hope. Which means Luke would have taken that long just to learn how to pull a lightsaber out of the ground up to his hand three feet away. Meanwhile, Rey (who had ZERO FUCKING MENTORSHIP FROM ANYBODY IN THE FORCE) was able to pull the saber away from a superior force user, not to mention using mind tricks, resisting Kylo's thought penetration, etc. If that's not a Mary Sue, I don't know what is.

>>82760257
You mean, who taught LUKE how to SHAKE HIS SABER HILT FOR ALL OF FIVE MINUTES THE ENTIRE TIME HE TRIED TO MOVE IT EVEN ALL THE WHILE SAYING, "Ben, HELP!" Which, Fucking was, More than a year after he actually had Used Prescience?
As compared to REY fucking not believing in the force and suddenly, USING MASTER FORCE LEVEL ABILITIES AFTER JUST HEARING ABOUT THE FORCE?

LUKE LEARNED MIND CONTROL, NEARLY TWO FUCKING YEARS AFTER TRAINING WITH YODA FOR SEVERAL DAYS. YOU KNOW, HIS GREEN SABER SIGNALED HIM BEING EVEN MORE ATTUNED WITH THE FORCE BUT IF YOU ACTUALLY WATCHED THE FUCKING MOVIE YOU WOULD HAVE SEEN THAT. Like remember when he spent several days with Yoda and was taught how to channel the force?

Rey's some fucking sand nigger who didn't believe in the force yesterday and is suddenly a fucking force master today. Fuck that mary sue BITCH!

>>82760463
>Master force level abilities
You're talking about the Force like its some fucking RPG stat.

>>82744443

Because he isn't really shown as having his abilities affected by any of those things.He didn't move like someone drained and injured.

Her first time using the force, she beat him (he wasn't injured then).

Her first time using a lightsabre, she beat him.

Face it, she's just written as being perfect her only character flaw is an 'acceptable' one (being scared) and it doesn't even last long.

As for these rumours about her being a 'gray' jedi, that makes her even more of a perfect super special person (on top of shitting on the lore).

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>How the fight should have ended.
>How the fight should have ended.
>How the fight should have ended.

>>82760416
Rey literally hears about the Force and does it. Literally. Fucking craziest shit ever, that. She's flying the falcon expertly even though she's never flown it. She's climbing mountain sized obstacles she's doing all types of shit and everyone loves her. Map to Luke is vital to the Resistance. So why don't we send that smelly sand nigger we just met. What a Dumb fucking movie. And don't even get me started about Finn seeing an entire solar system's destruction from light years away in real time. Dude looks up and just sees it like he's watching a storm cloud. And don't get me started of how the dumber Yoda rip off says as to how it has Luke's saber, "That's a story best left for another time."

What a retarded movie.

>>82760548
Fuck off, Lucas compared the Jedi to the Samurai and force use as one learning martial arts.

>>82760704
Who gives a shit what Lucas thought?

It's a movie, a fantasy movie for children.
The shit in it is there to serve the movie, not to build some amazing consistent universe.

>>82760679
Don't you know it. If Rey was an actual trained bad ass who was hiding on the Tattoine rip off world, then fine. If she was ashamed being secretly a knight of Ren, then fine. But she's there from 4 yet she's more proficient with the force than anyone has ever been in six movies. Well, except for maybe Yoda and Sheev, those guys were off the chain awesome.

>>82760152
> he's taken there via remote control, uses vessels controls that are identical to racing pod controls, avoid danger, survives.

A fucking 8 year old.
A fucking 8 year old participates in his first ever space battle and still saves the day and comes out unscathed. Hell, there isn't even any fucking tension because the entire scene plays out like a video game. There is a reason why the prequels will be forever mocked

>Didin't even believe in the force, and yet she's fucking force pulling mother fucking sabers, and using telepathy and suggestion, all of which on her first try after just hearing about the force.
>"Luke Skywalker? I thought he was just a myth!"
Rey clearly knew about the force and the Jedi. Maz basically confirms for Rey that the force is indeed real and that she her self is gifted in it. Then Kylo tries to mind rape Rey and indirectly teaches her the mind trick. Given what Rey now knows, why the fuck would you not try to mind trick a guard into letting you go? What do you have to loose?

You'd have to be a turbo autist not have picked this up from watching the film

>Finn is shown to dislike killing
>is upset seeing civilians and his fellow troopers being killed in the firefight
>10 minutes later
>is killing his fellow troopers and joking about it with a guy he just met

W R I T I N G

>>82760799
Go watch star trek into darkness again if you like jar jar jew's shit so much. Oh, I take that back, comparing Abrams to other competent awesome Jewish directors insults them. In especially Harold Ramis and Stephen Spielberg.

>>82760463
>green lightsaber automatically means lukes more in tune with the force

This is the autism of the average star wars fanboy

>>82760846
At least he's not as bad as Lucas.
Go masturbate to Howard the Duck.

>>82760811
Once more, Anakin was a slave to the Wasp Jew. A Child, in case you didn't know, is not at all absolved from learning. They have soap box racers and they're excellent bikers and skate boarders. NOW. Anakin from a very young age, raced Pods. His mother said that she was always afraid for him because he continued to wreck every pod he was in, but like all young children he got good. Until Eventually, he won the race. Which was believable. So try as hard as you may to Legitimize the Asspull that is maRey Sue, you will continue to fail.

Lastly, The entire JEDI FUCKING COUNCIL was all up in Anakin's mind. By your reasoning, he should've have been as awesome as fucking Sheev. But of course he wasn't. So take your head canon, and shove it up Disney's smelly arse!

>>82760831
>murdering innocent villagers vs. defending the area against invaders

This board is now a subreddit and I hate it

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>>82760800
Kylo Ren had been trained. By all rights she should have been completely annihilated.

>>82760993
I was talking about when Finn breaks the guy out right after meeting him on the ship, hes blowing up people and laughing about it, right after being shown to dislike killing

>>82761011
>Bring me Kylo Ren, I will complete his training

Stop watching movies while posting here

>>82760831
The guy he just met had killed his best friend.

>>82761011
My sister could beat some trained MMA fighter after he had been shot in the gut with an high caliber rifle.

just a reminder that luke beat vader with 0 outside lightsaber training other than obi wans 5 minute bullshit in NH

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>>82761051
Rey literally just learned about the Force and thought Luke was a myth. Kylo leads the Knights of Ren.

>>82760831
Even funnier, Finn and Poe doesn't get along. Finn wants out, Poe's literally hostile towards him. Ship crash, Poe disappears. When they see each other forty plus minutes later. "Hey my long lost friend, how are you?" "Oh, I'm good my friend, it's so wonderful to see you."

J.J can't tell a coherent story for shit.

>>82760923
OH YOU FUCKING MONG! A green light saber's construction requires an ascended familiarity with the force,

t. Lucas, t. Vader

>>82760939
No, fucker, he's worse. Lucas created the prequels to explain how the Emperor got both the Republic and the first death star. The Banking clans and the separatist funded it, using resources from the Trade federation, components constructed by the Genosians.

Republic gives Chancellor emergency powers, Jedi coup elevates his powers to Emperor.

Ten times larger fucking death star in a remnant that hadn't at all the Empire since it returns to being a republic controlled by the Senate, or the separatist since they were all long dead.

So how did the new order, or rip off empire, fund the ten times larger and more expensive death star.

That doesn't matter. If you didn't know cock sucker, it's why Super Eight is such dog shit, and will never be considered a fucking classic.

>>82761050
No he doesn't. He's completely serious while shooting at the people that are shooting at him.

He laughs after he hits some automated turret.

>>82761050
It still stands. What were they gonna do, just let them leave? He's probably not even against killing, he probably isn't into, you know, killing INNOCENT people.

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>>82761097
Kylo can freeze blaster bolts in mid air and freeze people in place with his powers.

>>82761203
>Lucas created the prequels to explain how the Emperor got both the Republic and the first death star.
First, we didn't need that explanation.
Second, his explanation is fucking terrible. Both the idea and the execution.

>>82761011
Kylo was so proficient he could freeze both people and blaster bolts in thin air. A Boss ability. He even used force Telepathic Interrogation. Vader couldn't use that against Leia, he had to use an interrogation droid. And did so again with Han. He and Luke connected but he never used that ability with anyone else. He was incapable of that. Luke only ever managed to connect with his sister. So Kylo was especially powerful. Until maRey Sue of course.

>>82755377
The OT had realistic swordsmanship, with weight and purpose behind the swings, not to mention emotional weight. The prequels had anime sword fights.

>>82761290
It's like you're talking about a video game instead of a Star Wars movie.

>>82761280
Of course you needed that explanation. Yes, it was executed poorly but it was a logical story. You can't defend the shit awakens so give up. You can't defend them funding a death star that's TEN TIMES LARGE and funnels a fucking sun! That's so stupid. J.J. is a fucking idiot. It's like when he wanted us to feel sympathy for his dinosaur alien in his ET Close Encounters rip off but our brains saw that the alien was a piece of shit, that mind fucked his prey into believing he was something we should sympathize with.

>>82761321
I don't... I mean... is thee a difference?

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>>82761290
The Emperor wasn't even shown being that powerful. Sheev almost got taken out by Mace Windu and Yoda.

>>82759924
>Its perfectly ok for a 8 year old force sensitive boy to get in a Naboo Starfighter for the first time ever and accidentally blow up the droid death star, saving the day for everyone

No one ever thought this was ok anon.

>>82761266
>Kylo can freeze blaster bolts in mid air and freeze people in place with his powers.
What a weakling. Vader could grab blaster bolts with his bare hands and hold people in place AND choke them at the same time.

>>82744265
>ctrl+f
>feminism
>0 results
disappointed

>>82761388
>Of course you needed that explanation
Why?
What kind of autist do you have to be not enjoy the OT because you don't how the emperor got to power.

>>82761320
Bullshit. It was slow and clumsy. Tell Mike and RLM to fuck off. I loved the fights in the prequels it captures the power and majesty of force users.

>>82761321
Even in video games you have to know which controls does what so you have to be taught by either the manual, or by someone. Rey just ups and spam attacks and moves she's never been taught. I.E., a mary sue.

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>>82759495
Oho, shit.

>>82761410
Sheev only real threatening ability was his prescience which was dialed up incredibly high. He foresaw almost everything. The only time he was seen to be in the dark was when Vader sensed Luke coming to him. And Sheev said Strange, I did not foresee it. Sheev knew Mace would have beaten him and He knew Anakin would come to save him. Otherwise he would have high tailed it outta there when Mace got there.

>>82761500
>Rey just ups and spam attacks and moves she's never been taught.

Rey is the embodiment of everyone's little fucking cousin playing fighting games.

>>82744469
Rey obviously has had some training prior. She's probably had her mind wiped after Luke's students were killed by Kylo.

Who knows if her being dropped off on Jakku as a kid is even a real memory.

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>>82760463
Rey is stronger than Luke in the force.

>>82761656
>Rey had her mind wiped
>Rey is also Obi-Wans daughter
>Rey-Wan
>Revan

>>82761500
I didn't know people were still this autistic about star wars

>>82761690
What is going on with him?

>>82760622
>He didn't move like someone drained and injured.
He was limping around and wincing the rest of the film after getting shot by the bowcaster.

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>>82761566
Rey beats a guy who beat Luke Skywalker.

She's stronger than:

>Mace Windu
>Yoda
>Luke Skywalker
>Vader
>Palpatine

And she was never trained and only learned about the force being real a few hours before. She never even trained with a lightsaber and neither did Finn, yet both were able to fight Kylo.

>>82761786
>Rey beats a guy who beat Luke Skywalker.
When did that happen?

And Luke beating Vader didn't have anything to do with "power level".

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>>82760970
>"He is a kid!111!.....he's..he's..he's learning!!!"
So its perfectly ok to pick up engineering and podracing at the age of four, but completely unacceptable to have learned how to pilot a spaceship after spending 18+ years around spaceships in a similar environment as kid Anakin?

> Lastly, The entire JEDI FUCKING COUNCIL was all up in Anakin's mind. By your reasoning, he should've have been as awesome as fucking Sheev.
The jedi council was trying to get and understanding of Anakin's emotional balance to see if he could make the cut. Kylo was LITERALLY mind raping Rey, probing her most personal memories and dug to deep and awakened her force potential.

Fuck you, fuck star wars, fuck fanboys, fuck you and your shitty bait and fuck you for making me reply. Kys turbo nigger

>>82761737
He's coming to terms with his new found homosexuality that Disney will mandate.

>>82761851
Knights of Ren. They beat Luke and caused his whole going into hiding shit.

>>82761266
>killing his own father and being in crippling pain and injury wouldn't effect his force powers

>>82761915
Tell me where the movie says, that Luke went into hiding because the Knights of Ren were stronger than him.

>>82761500
It was real. This notion that lightsabers are weightless and Jedi use their reflexes to fight at the speed of light completely shits on the original work, it was invented for small attention span children like you were when the prequels came out.

>>82761786
Stop applying fucking Dragon Ball logic to Star Wars.
None of the fights in the OT are contests of strength.

Rey fought a severely distraught man who just killed his own father, got shot point blank with a crossbow blaster to the abdomen, started bleeding out in the snow, and was on a lowered guard because he was trying to convert her to his side, not kill her.

I don't enjoy this meme of saying she "defeated him". Literally all she did was cut his coat and knock him over once, then the floor collapses.

>>82761737
He just saw a woman win a fight against a heavily injured and half committed man

>>82761451
I do, as did a lot of people. Maybe Lucas genius isn't for people like you.

>>82761786
Interestingly enough, she goes to Luke like, "Please, Teach me." Teach her what though. She's more powerful than he or anyone ever was, without training. So what exactly could Luke teach her? How to diddle herself with the force? Or how to use the force to diddle others?

>>82761863
Once more, there's nothing you say that can legitimize maRey Sue. Anakin was, A slave in Jew Wasp's shop in which he had to take apart both droids and ship engines, had raced several pods, and the only aide he got from his powers was, not dying. That's it. Being mentally diddled by the force does not give you FUCKING FORCE APTITUDE. That's not how it fucking works. The Force use is no different than playing an instrument. YOU have to learn the basics, to be able to progress to the complex bits.

Fuck you Rey fucking fans.

>>82762047
And yet Lucas says otherwise. Good luck with your life, LOSER!

>>82762174
>And yet Lucas says otherwise.
Source me up you obnoxious Trump-posting FUCK

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>>82761917
>Finn could use a lightsaber despite having no training and no idea about the Force

>Rey just learned about it hours before and is able to use abilities that Luke didn't master until he was around 30.

>>82761963
What happened to his academy then? What about that Knights of Ren shit? What about all those flashbacks? What about the whole search for Luke?

>>82762061
So Luke won his duel with Vader on Bespin?

>>82762464
Movies have that thing where they keep some things mysterious so people keep watching it.

>>82762295
Source you on what? Go and watch the Phantom Menace's DVD and watch when he's at his desk, it's December 1995 and he's talking about it all. Then again in 1997. I haven't seen that DVD in all of fifteen years when it stopped working because i watched day after day, after day, after day. Jewtube is your friend though. I ain't sourcing you on shit.

>>82759005
Pretty much everyone except Qui-Gonn hated Anakin in TPM. Everyone loves Rey.

>>82762350
This is what the kids today refer to as 'moving goalposts' isn't it? We were talking about Kylo being at a huge disadvantage.
Anyway Finn can't use a lightsaber, both times he tries he comes off like a regular dude trying to fight with a sword for the first time. When his lucky shot pisses Kylo off, Kylo hauls off and disintegrates his entire spine out of spite implying he had just been toying with him before that.

>Rey
see
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>>82762464
The clearest assumption you can make about Luke's fall and seclusion is that he somehow failed his students during training, or at least thinks he did, and he fucked off in defeat because one or all of them went dark. Nothing indicates that he was ever bested in combat.

>>82762584
>P-prove my furious claims yourself!
Sad, I expected more after all that arrogance.

>>82762550
>>82762714
Keep moving dem goalposts. Maybe some day it will make Rey not stronger than Luke. Screencap this, Rey is the one who will bring balence to the force.

>>82762807
NIgger, I just told you to haul your lazy ass over to Youtube and go look for it yourself. That's the problem with you late comers, you want it all delivered care of instant messenger. Well you fucking kid, back in my day you had to go and find a shop and buy something called a magazine or write Lucas' star wars fan club for information on how to join and you'd get their monthly newsletter. Fuck if I ever did that. I just read anthology and others who always had info. IN especially the wizard. Now you best open up another tab and use your time and find it for your fucking self, you lazy cunt!

>>82762865
What are you talking about? I agree that Rey is stronger than Luke and I've said that in this thread, all I'm saying to you is there is nothing to indicate that the Knights of Ren defeated Luke in any kind of battle.

>>82763015
>wah wah wah
I'm still waiting you pompous blowhard, the burden of proof is on you!

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>caring this much more than the creators of the actual films themselves

>>82761097
Unless he was actually in the process of dying she literally couldn't.

>>82763287
Here's what you can try, Blow as hard as you can, Like Really blow, blow until your lungs are empty and I promise you as you collapse to the floor, you'll see the Vlog in which George said as much.