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What was a worse idea, Human Daleks or Dalek Puppets?

>>82742168
DUDE CRAPITALISM LMAO

>>82741995
I like the concept too. Having a competent future-savvy companion along with a more typical companion should work great, but it's amazing how rarely they try it. There's Zoe and Jamie, and then really nobody until Moffat Who.

Vicki and Steven rarely got used as future people. Romana was great, but as soon as they tried to pair her up with a less competent companion, we got Adric. Nyssa, they did sometimes try to use as science genius girl, but it usually felt like some B-plot tacked on to find something to do with Nyssa. Turlough and Peri might have worked if they'd given it a chance, but they didn't.

Even the novels and audios rarely pull it off. The closest is really Sam and Fitz, but Sam is just a normal present-day teenager who they turned into a super-assistant out of nowhere.

whovians gushing over how much they loved the episode
is rove /ourguy/?

>>82742132
>>82742211
Thin Ice was built around the Doctor punching the racist guy. Dollard admitted to it. Except she's a hack, she's forced her views into the script but since she doesn't know how to write, the whole episode felt like a shop window for her political views. I'm not saying 12 punching a racist is bad, of course it isn't, but the ENTIRE episode is about racism. She doesn't give us a break.

Whereas competent writers like Moffat, Mathieson or Harness have enough intelligence to suggest political messages or outright even state them but in a clever way.

>>82742253
>I'm not saying 12 punching a racist is bad, of course it isn't
Physical violence over words is never justifiable if the words do not imply you are in physical danger

>>82742253
The entire episode is about the scene on the ice where Bill realises she can't save everyone and decides to save the kids, which calls back to the whole "how do you cope with people dying" conversation at the start.

>>82742238
POST WHOVIANS

upload when?

>>82742253
There was nothing subtle or clever about Jamie's writing his political message into the story in this instance, I must have heard "capitalism" used as a perjorative about 3 or 4 times. And the fucking Clippy meme was cringeworthy.

>>82742253
>I'm not saying 12 punching a racist is bad, of course it isn't
Then you can go back to Tumblr where you belong. If you don't like racism 4chan is not for you.

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Reminder that comics
Reminder that best run
Reminder that best companion

Thinking about it the whole oxygen credit thing could be dropped and the plot would left intact

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>>82742355
Seriously? Yeah, the Bowie references were clever, but he's no Frobisher, or even Izzy.

>>82742269
That's harking back to the Doctor's hypocritical "I'm 2000 years old I don't have the time for the luxury of outrage". The only clever thing the episode does.

>>82742281
Nope. Plus that's fucking retarded. Bill basically forgets about the dead kid mere minutes after he talks to her. Like she doesn't have the time to be outraged either? Why did she change her opinion so fast?

>>82742322
It wasn't forced down our throats. It was subtly hinted at, in Thin Ice you already know the guy's a racist and that's why he's acting like he is. Here we have a build up until the reveal, it's cleverly played and logical since we all know capitalists ever since the 19th century consider workers as replaceable tools with almost no value.

>>82742310
it's still airing, only finishes on the hour
I'd give upload anon at least half an hour

>>82742363
how

>>82742421
The only Frobisher on readcomiconline is Fourth Doctor at marvel iirc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsMAVy2IWic
reminder that nardole ruined the episode and keep ruining the series

>>82742442
Cos it didn't factor into the plot in any meaningful way?

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>>82742460
>he doesn't like based Dardole

>>82742478
>Dardole
Is Dardole Nardole's secret form of Drax'?

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>>82742499

>>82742457
I don't know what readcomiconline is.

But if you can't get old copies of DWM, or the UK or US graphic novel collections, you can pirate the entire run pretty easily on VK (or probably your favourite torrent site, but I know VK has them nicely organised).

>>82742499
Everyone is Drax.

>>82742516
I don't have VK cos I'm not russian, is it worth getting an account for (assuming you do need an account for it)

>"I've never seen my true face in years... swapped it for this one on the run"

NARDOLE IS A TIME LORD SCREEN CAP THIS

>>82742533
we do know that Constance is

>>82742476
The entire reason they were in a hurry was that they didn't have much oxygen left.

The entire reason the miners were being killed was the oxygen credit.

The entire reason the TARDIS couldn't just extend its oxygen to cover them, which was the reason Bill ended up in a defective space suit, was the oxygen credit.

But yeah, other than that, it didn't have anything to do with the plot.

>>82742537
vk dot com slash page-5742320_43755072
it should work for an unregistered user i think

>>82742427
>in Thin Ice you already know the guy's a racist and that's why he's acting like he is.

I'm not going to argue that the episode is good or anything, but the dude's racism was not actually relevant to the plot at all.

His rampant classism was though, seeing as how he's a caricature of wealthy individuals who were born into wealth and keep themselves wealthy by stamping out the poor.

>>82742476
Hang on, I've just realised. You probably meant specifically the fact that the oxygen was measured in breaths right?
I thought you meant the idea of paying for oxygen in general. Because without that there's no story at all. But yeah I agree, the specific breaths thing didn't come into play at all. Maybe it was leading up to something in an earlier draft but got cut, or maybe it was just world building.

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>>82742590
Thanks, chum!

>>82742617
I think Abby was supposed to die from her oxygen tank running out. She was like "I only have 700 breaths left!".

Hasn't the doctor used remote retrieval for the tardis before?

>>82742590
>the dude's racism was not actually relevant to the plot at all
That's why I'm saying Dollard can't write. She made it all about his racism while it wasn't relevant to the plot at all.

I agree with the rest though but that's mostly what happened back in those days. She should have been more subtle about it.

>>82742659
shit writers tbqh

>>82742537
It's definitely worth using for things like comics, books that aren't on the Mega, etc.

And I'm pretty sure you don't actually need an account for downloads, only for audios (or if you want to participate in the discussions). But try it and make sure. Go to vk.com SLASH wall-5742320 and scroll down until you find a smallish PDF or CBR or whatever and click on it and see if it works.

If you do need an account, I believe they added an SMS verification requirement for registration at some point, but I'd bet those disposable shared SMS sites work.

Post blind Capaldis.

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>>82742269
> www.strawpoll.me/12958946

>>82742677
Oh, well, fair enough then.

I do agree she needed a bit more subtlety. The dude was almost 80s Saturday Morning Supervillain tier and that's putting it nicely.

>>82742732
(I have no fucking idea why the polls stuck to this post. Ignore it)

>>82742720
> tfw you will never hold his hand and lead him around

>>82742732
This is literally wrong though
What part of "jews should be thrown in ovens" poses an active threat to anyone? "You are a jew and I am going to throw you in an oven" is a different matter entirely because there is actually a threat.
What does beating someone like that accomplish? Trying to assert the superiority of your opinion with violence? That'll show them for thinking differently.

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>>82742732
And who decides what constitutes an "Acceptable" position, faggot?

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Is there something wrong with me if I find Bill to be the hottest nu-who companion?

>>82742844
No. We'll almost all disagree with you but there's nothing wrong with having an opinion

>>82742830
A basic moral compass you cuck

There's a new promo pic for Extremis which shows a cage in some sort of library. It looks like the cage Missy was in in the trailers, which could confirm that she's not in the vault

>>82742759
>(I have no fucking idea why the polls stuck to this post. Ignore it)
Are you such a newfag you don't even know that initiating a reply while you have highlighted text automatically puts it into your reply as greentext?
No wonder you're dumping some tumblr shit to make an argument for you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsMAVy2IWic

Whats the bet Matthew and Liv only hated Smile because of the emojis and based all of their judgements on that and not on the story?

>>82742460
Oh joy, Liv is back...sigh

Jacob was that channel's golden age

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>>82742861
And who decides what the basic moral compass is, faggot?

>>82742861
Morals are inherently subjective you literal retard
There is no such thing as "objective morality", much less "Moral truth". It's all subjective to the person interpreting it.

>>82742866
Unless that whole library room is what's behind the vault doors. With the cage in the center

>>82742659
Yes, when he had a Stattenheim remote control that the CIA gave him (which he doesn't normally have), or when he's specifically programmed it for a remote-controlled trip in advance (which he only does when he knows he's going to need to do in advance).

Also, the very first time we see TARDISes being remote-controlled, in The War Games (when the Time Lords grab the Doctor's TARDIS, although we see it with the SIDRATs earlier in the story), they explain that doing so is damaging to the TARDIS, which is a pretty good reason not to do it every week.

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>>82742759
>>82742732
Go the fuck back to tumblr, you reek of newfag. Don't post again until you've lurked for at least a year.

>>82742896
Wow, moral relativism is a right-wing thing now instead of something the right insists that all leftists believe in? When did that happen?

>>82742896
Provided you define morality as being about the wellbeing and happiness of thinking creatures, you can approach objective moral judgments in relation to that.

>>82742793
>What does beating someone like that accomplish?

Fear, pretty much.

>>82743007
>Provided you define morality as being about the wellbeing and happiness of thinking creatures

Keyword being "you". It's a subjective decision that an individual makes about how they personally define morality. Objectivity plays no part in what you just proposed.

Heard Extremis was 50 minutes on here yesterday...finally checked my SKY guide and it's real.

>>82742992
It's not something actual conservatives believe. As an actual conservative, trust me, the alt-right are not conservative in any way, they're parodies of the left, but too dumb to realise it. It's not a coincidence that so many of their thought leaders are former Marxists or left-anarchists.

>>82743075
>as an actual conservative

lol

>>82743041
In which case I don't care what labels you attach to which concepts, the important part is the concept, and what most people are talking about when "morality" is mentioned is cooperating with others to ensure happiness and wellbeing. You're engaging in equivocation if you start talking about anything else.

>>82742986
Vire de là, Macroniste.

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>>82743007
Yes, and the Nazis knew it was better to terminate the suffering of the inferior races than to allow it to continue for generation after generation.

Isn't it sad to see a transgender person want to kill themselves every day for merely existing, or a crippled person in intense humiliating pain, or a homosexual who fails to fit in (aka >>82742732)? It's cruel that they have to exist.


Wiping out negative genetic traits such as birth defects would prevent suffering of thinking creatures for generations to come.

That's their moral compass. So, all positions against that are "unacceptable" and "Grounds for a beating" under the logic established by >>82742732. If you oppose Nazi moral compass, you deserve a beating.

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>>82743043
of course it's real. I'm the one that posted it and I got it from the BBC media centre.

>>82742866
>>82742963
The cage has been seen in promo photos from DWM where the Doctor is inside reading the Veritas. I believe its in the Haereticum

>>82743134
Yeah this is definitely where Missy is, the walls are the same/have the same patterning.

So who's in the vault?

>>82743102
>when I say morality I don't mean the actual concept of morality I mean what most people believe to be their moral compass as compiled and defined by me
Still just as subjective, anon. Your universal average morality or whatever you want to call it is still determined by the people you sampled (and those you chose to consider outliers and ignored).

>>82743153
The Rani, obviously.

>>82743134
Thanks for clarfiying, did'nt see it was on the BBC media site.

>>82743153
How do you know it's not the vault? That looks like it could be a part of a university

>>82743192
sorry if I came across as rude anon

>>82743114
The Nazis judgment, that a particular race was inferior in any meaningful or significant way, was empirically unsubstantiated. Not only that but they made no effort to investigate whether or not their plans to exterminate the Jews would end overall suffering in the future.

The Pilot 4.64m (O) 6.68m (C) tbc (L+7) 83 (AI)
Smile 4.25m (O) 5.98m (C) tbc (L+7) 83 (AI)
Thin Ice 3.76m (O) 5.51m (C) tbc (L+7) 84 (AI)
Knock Knock 4.32m (O) tbc (C) tbc (L+7) 83 (AI)
Oxygen 3.57m (O) tbc (C) tbc (L+7) tbc (AI)

>>82743091
Yes, lol. Isn't it hilarious that over 11 million people voted Tory, and we got to select the government again, while your gang of loud idiots had to celebrate over getting a single seat? You sure showed us.

Reminder that the Doctor being blind means absolutely nothing and everything will go as if nothing ever happened.

>>82743219
No problem

I wonder if any other eps have special run times this series?

>>82743263
Tories aren't conservative

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>>82743134
You're right, that's definitely the Haereticum
But it doesn't look like where Missy was in the trailers imo

>>82743254
>3.57m

Wow - was expecting more cos of Eurovision.

>>82743326
yeah missy's definitely not in that cage

>>82743174
I don't even know what we're arguing about. You can approach an objective morality by objectively evaluating actions with regards to altruistic principles. That is what most people have ever meant when they talk about morality. Do you mean that there isn't some abstract cosmic force akin to gravity which forces us to be moral? I don't see why that's important.

>>82743330
don't you mean less because of eurovision? Was eurovision on at the same time as doctor who?

>>82743248
>was empirically unsubstantiated
Wrong, and anyone who disagrees has the wrong moral compass and deserves a beating.

>>82743343
>You can approach
That's called subjective, anon. Just because you're using some kind of internally consistent logic to guide your moral compass doesn't mean anybody else does or has any obligation to hold the same morals as you. It's inherently subjective no matter how much your morals make sense to you personally.

>>82743344
No it was on directly after. I would've expected people to stick Doctor Who on as they waited for Eurovision as something to watch

>>82743344
it was on after

>>82743315
Tories are conservative in the sense in which the word has been used for decades in politics, all over the world. And in the sense that matches the dictionary definition.

Of course if you want to redefine the word to mean "stupid" instead of "conservative", you are free to do so, but nobody else is going to understand what you're talking about, or care enough to figure it out. And meanwhile, the majority of British society will continue to be conservative, and call itself conservative, and vote for the Conservative Party. Your trying to change the definition will not turn them all into idiots instead.

>>82743343
Are you really so inexperienced with life that you actually assume by default that everyone you meet holds the same morals as you?

>>82742427
Its odd how everybody is shitting on capitalism despite it being the fairest system to have ever existed. Under communism you get mass starvation and brutal authoritarian governments. Before that it was just serfdom, feudal lords and whatever tribal bullshit has existed. Capitalism is built on freedom, which is why the spread of capitalism is always followed by individual rights and democracy. It annoys me to see people endlessly shit on the system without providing any viable alternative.

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>>82743343
>You can approach an objective morality by objectively evaluating actions with regards to altruistic principles. That is what most people have ever meant when they talk about morality

So which one's the objectively moral decision then anon? Is it your moral obligation to pull the lever?

>>82743402
We're not shitting on capitalism, we're shitting on PURE capitalism. There has to be a balance between capitalism and socialism.

>>82743343
>most people are altruistic and that's how they guide their morals
you're not genuinely suggesting this are you?

>>82743394
Economically, maybe. Socially, no. Social conservatism no longer exists in the mainstream parties

Morality is subjective, but more importantly, it's fickle and dependent on culture.

Also Doctor Who was pretty cool, you know that thing we're meant to be talking about? Can't wait for next week.

>>82743427
The episode did not make any such distinction, and was just shitting on capitalism.

Can we discuss the Doctor's eyes? Why is he still blind?

I think it's either a fixed pt in the temporal nexus or him feeling that something is going to happen and he needs to save regen energy or his eyes are too complicated to remake without a lot of it.

>>82743417
I didn't say I could intuit objective moral truth, that doesn't mean there isn't one to be discovered/worked towards.
>>82743398
I appreciate that people are driven to do things for all sorts of reasons, except I don't label them all 'morality' unless they relate to altruism etc. Behaving selfishly is a suspension of morality.

>>82743402
You tout freedom, but often different freedoms and rights come into conflict with each other. Should you be free to restrict the freedom of others? There is a balance to be had.

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>>82743417

>>82743558
THE DOCTOR IS MY NAME
AND GALLIFREY IS MY NATION
DEEP SPACE IS MY DWELLING PLACE
AND DEATH'S MY DESTINATION

>>82743541
>that doesn't mean there isn't [moral truth] to be discovered/worked towards.
How are you meant to "discover" moral truth exactly? Discover an abstract non-physical thought concept?

Earlier you said
>Do you mean that there isn't some abstract cosmic force akin to gravity which forces us to be moral? I don't see why that's important.
In the context of your most recent post, are you actually suggesting there IS some kind of "moral force" that guides people?

>>82743541
>Behaving selfishly is a suspension of morality.
You do realize that this is as subjective as opinions come, don't you? You're not actually declaring this as if you have any grand authority on what does and doesn't define morals right?

In general people care much more about their own survival than that of others, with the exception perhaps of their children.
Remember the guy who got dragged off the United Airlines flight? Remember all the people screaming "Oh noo how horrible oh my god don't do that this is wrong"? Did you see a single one of them volunteer to have their seat peacefully taken instead? Any of them could have done it at any time and ended that man's suffering, but they didn't. You don't actually believe these people cared about altruism, do you?

>>82743553
I think that's a major criticism of the deontological theory of ethics, isn't it, that it is hard to reconcile two differing sets of 'doing right' that come into contact with each other and where it cannot be resolved without compromising one or more people.

omg everyone shut the fuck up

can we just get back to talking about our shit show

>>82743662
Would the doctor pull the lever on >>82743417 ?

>>82743662
I think that the discussion about what constitutes morality is slightly interesting.

>>82743686
I think that Seven would pull the lever and kill the five people if the one person was incredibly important. Not sure about the other Doctors.

>>82743697
killing 5 people is what happens if you don't pull the lever, though

>>82743263

>I'm conservative
>I voted Tory

Side-splitting

>>82743705
Always an interesting question.

i stopped watching at early matt smith episodes after watching it since the start with christopher eccleston, because i thought it got exceedingly shit. has it gotten any better? is it a decent show again or is it tumble meme tier still?

>>82743761
S8-9 are GOAT if you liked eccles
S10 is debatable, it has its moments but it also has a bunch of political shit that probably fits your definition of tumblr

>Ruins of the State of the Art

Egypt, 31 May, 1279 BC. An upside down pyramid has appeared out of the sky as a gift for Rameses II's intronisation as the Pharaoh. The Doctor, Bill and Nardole materialise at the same time and start investigating people who went into the pyramid and never returned. Turns out this isn't really a pyramid, this is a hearse with thousands of souls waiting to rip the skin out of your body. The one target their king has is none other than Rameses, and his untimely death could change the entire history of humanity...

>>82743505
Conservatism is about preserving systems and institutions that work, from traditional schooling systems to the standards of civil discourse to the dignity of the monarchy. Demanding radical changes is not conservative, even if they're the exact opposite of the radical changes the left wants.

Meanwhile, I'm not even sure what you mean by "economically conservative". I know that's a term Americans use, but it seems to just be a synonym for "liberal", and it doesn't seem to have anything to do with conservatism.

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>>82743800
I love pyramids, despite the shitshow that was this episode-- and the last two-- I'm definitely watching the next one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjYxwo0GcpM

>>82743850
>it's another "bill reminds us she's lesbian" episode
the scene was funny at least

>>82743850
BASED ROCCO

>>82743686
He would be all angsty about it, saying it's an impossible choice. Then 5 seconds before, music starts blaring and he has a wide grin. The train passes harmlessly through those tied to the track, revealing itself to be hologram. The doctor then swaggers off to the TARDIS to go back in time and bribe national rail, removing all sense of moral weight

>>82743689

It really isn't

>Objective morality

You believe in God or some other higher being that proscribes a moral code that everyone should abide by

>Subjective Morality

There's no such thing as good or evil because morality can be defined differently by different people and no particular moral code is superior to the other

If you believe in objective morals you follow whatever the holy book lays out, if you believe in subjective morals you desperately try to explain why murder is wrong without success

>>82743598
Once you've agreed upon some basic foundations such as altruism, justice, wellbeing, happiness etc, then you engage in rational evidence-based discourse to find the most beneficial course of action in those respects. >>82743652
>You don't actually believe these people cared about altruism, do you?
I never claimed that people behave morally all the time. In fact it's your definition that implies this, since you're essentially defining it as the driving force behind all behavioural decisions, selfish or not. My definition excludes selfish or malicious behaviour, with the understanding that some people choose to behave immorally. I'm not sure your concept of morality even has room for such a thing as "immoral".

>>82743850

Why does Doctor Who aspire to be so shit?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjYxwo0GcpM&feature=youtu.be

>>82743922
People believe in and adhere to their own moral code, in general. Sometimes their break their own code and, for example, steal even when they believe it's wrong, but they justify it by coming up with some excuse "eg I would have died if I didn't steal that bread" that overrides whatever their "normal" moral would be. Sometimes they might not be able to justify what they did as moral by their own standards too. It's not really important one way or the other.

>>82743983
Please read the thread.

>>82743986
>>82743922
Wow stop fighting. We all know that everyone who espouses right of centre views is a nazi who deserves a beating. That's all there is to it.

>>82743922
> Once you've agreed upon some basic foundations such as altruism, justice, wellbeing, happiness etc, then you engage in rational evidence-based discourse to find the most beneficial course of action in those respects
>Once you've agreed
That's subjective, anon. You've done nothing to support your claim for objective morals here.

>>82743998
my bad

>>82743315
erm

>>82744053

>They're conservative because they call themselves the Conservative Party

And I suppose the Democratic Republic of the Congo is a democratic republic?

So, its Missy in the vault yeah? Mid season reveal?

>>82743254
>>82743330
>>82743344
>>82743369

Live women's FA cup final was on BBC2.

>>82744101
Find out next week apparently. So only 6 days of fake spoilers to go.

>>82744118
Ahh. So is Oxygen the worst overnights since Series 9?

>>82744144
What S9 episode was worse than that?

>>82744144
I'm not sure why anyone needs to explain in the drop in ratings, all the plebs got scared away by the lack of sex appeal in Nardole, Bill and the Doctor.

>>82744181
>yfw chibnall does a tennant 2.0 complete with rose 2.0 and we're back to legitimate doctor-companion romance

>>82744090
perhaps not so much with social values but when it comes to decisions about the economy they are conservative

>>82744150
Series 9 had the worst overnights since the 1980s. I think it dropped to 3.2mil at one point

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>>82742168
This has objectively been the best season ever of NuWho

>>82744219
no it's alternated between good and the lowest lows that the who series has ever hit (taking special effects budgets into account)

>>82744274
What in S10 was one of the lowest lows?

I can't wait for the Doctor to regenerate as a woman and begin a lesbian romance angle with Bill.

>>82744323
too bad bill's becoming a cyberman in the finale

>>82744213

No, since Thatcher they've been neo-liberal. Free markets and low taxes aren't conservative, the party that advocated that were the liberal Whigs, Tories were economically paternalist.

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According to GB spoilerhounds 'Extremis' is a contender for best episode since the 2005 revival.

>>82744351
When was the last time a GB spoilerhound was accurate?

>>82744361
Something in the university basement.

>>82744351
>according to GB spoilerhounds, [opinion that inherently can't be proven right/wrong]
really made me think

>>82744323
The Japanese found out that the best way to attract a male audience was lots of yuribaiting and the best way to attract a female audience was lots of yaoibaiting.

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According to GB spoilerhounds Nardole has left at least sixty smelly shits in the TARDIS lavatory.

>>82744351
Reminder its 10 mins longer because of the vault reveal.

Sources are calling it "the biggest twist since the invention of the twist"

The Doctor's secret has been described as 'VNA level dark'.

"When the vault opens, you're going to laugh, cry, and possibly shit yourself."

It's a real "drop your bacon" moment. "Count the knocks", says a show insider. 10 people who have seen the episode have died from shock at the reveal. So it's been cut from the press copies.

The monks' true identity will "melt your face"

>>82744144
Yes. Worst overnights for series 9 were 3.7m, when British teams were playing in the Rugby World Cup.

>>82744371
Before the christmas special someone on there legit said the arc of series 10 was the doctor keeping his next incarnation prisoner in a basement, and it was assumed to be a meme post

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'Oxygen' got less viewers than fucking Pointless that aired before.

>>82744433
People were turned off by the opening shots, they were too scary and slow to get to the point

also known as well paced kino but that doesn't attract normies because they just turn it off once it's lost their attention

>>82743134

I hope the Doctor doesn't walk into anything.

Why would the Doctor keep his blindness secret?

Is there a point where they get bad enough ratings that they cancel it again? Would they just sell the rights to someone else? There is obviously a world wide audience for it.

>>82744484
because the person in the vault may sense he's weak, according to nardole

>>82744484
because he doesn't want what ever is in the vault to know

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>>82744484
>>82744498

>>82744351
>best episode since the 2005 revival
Is it hard to top a skinhead and a chav chick fighting mannequins?

>>82744484
Twelve tries to keep his companions at arms length.

He also pretends to be upbeat when he's dying on the inside.

Either he knows that it's unsalvageable without a regen or there's more suffering coming straight for him that he needs to deal with.

>>82744496

The overnight ratings are bad, but the final ratings so far have been fine. Less and less people are watching it live.

>>82744339
>neoliberals
>not conservative
Lmao

>>82744510
>5 episodes in
>STILL no simm
false fucking advertising

>>82744433
Nobody watches Pointless on catch up.

>>82744535
He's in the finale, that shot has the exact same lighting as the shot of the mondasian cibbers

>>82744515
>Either he knows that it's unsalvageable without a regen
Probably this, and also the fact that he's yet to explain regeneration to Bill (cuz he will have to when she finds out about his blindness and inevitably asks how to fix it).

>>82744531

>Implying

>>82744535
Simm's only there to reel in all the Master/Doctor fangirls.

I'm not looking forward to capaldi using up a regeneration to fix his eyes while keeping the same form, just to regenerate for real a few episodes later. Moff isn't seriously pulling a RTD is he?

I've a feeling there's more to this than just rumour, never really been keen on the idea of a female doctor but im all for change and I'll still support my favourite show 100% , if Chris feels this is the right direction for the show I'll get right behind him and support his decision.

>>82744496

Doctor Who brings in the BBC a ton of money. They wouldn't sell the rights to anyone else. They could easily cancel the show, but there's no way they'd sell off the rights.

Not to mention, the BBC would get crucified by pretty much everyone. Did you see the outcry against the Great British Bake Off moving to Channel 4? Take that and multiply it by a thousand.

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>reminder that tom rosenthal is the new companion to PWB's doctor

>>82744600
The Beeb just told everyone it's not going to be a female Doctor. Really, it was a bit of a stupid idea from the get go since there's plenty of good Time Ladies they could have used.

Why are there no good Doctor Who video games?

>>82744599
I think it's pretty cool. It would be like Troughton's regeneration, where he didn't necessarily 'die' before the regeneration

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OH SHIT

HAPPENING

>>82744599
Maybe he could fix his eyes and then the tweest is that he only put it on hold and will need to regen for real soon.

Twelve's reaction to losing his eyes reminded me a lot of Ten looking at his hands in the realisation that he was still fucked.

Him losing his eyes is still pretty VNA level dark. I don't remember this sort of thing happening since Eight losing his heart.

>>82744433
Doctor Who Oxygen is currently 2nd most popular on BBC i-player (after Friday's Eastenders). And Knock Knock is still no.17 over a week later.

Pointless isn't even in the top 40.

>>82744632
it's probably just shit about Phoebe Waller Bridge. Both the Mirror and the Mail are currently reporting it's her

>>82744632
wow obscure tabloids reporting non-news again!

>>82744632
The Toddler was in for knife crime.

>thinking clara is the best companion
>thinking Oxygen was 10/10
this is why I don't come to these cancer generals

It would be hilarious if Chris Chibnall casts a woman. He's wearing a wig now too. Midlife crisis?

>>82744632
>Sunday People
what the fuck is this shitrag

>>82742891
Allah and Muhammad

>>82744498
>>82744509
How would whatever's in the vault find out, short of him telling Simm.

>>82742896
t. moral nihilist

>>82744578
If he used those lizard eyes as he joked, his body might also reject it.

Missy will break Simm out of the vault in Extremis.

>>82744827
like nardole said it has the ability to sense it

>>82744851
This is obvious because The Doctor goes to find Missy at a fortress in the next episode, not in the vault.

Initially I suspected the men with spears to be from later in the series, having hunted Missy down and taken her from the vault.

>>82744851
I'm pretty sure that Rassilon'd have tormented or at least tortured Simm!Master. Maybe he's not all that right in the head.

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>>82744889
He'll be a more low key, psychopathic cannibal. Simm master will be GOAT.

>>82744827
>>82744875
Well they're all touch telepaths.

>Learn who's in the vault, but we don't see them

Pretty obviously #13

>>82744932
What's this from?

>>82744932
The only Time Lord paranoid enough to do something like that is Irving Braxiatel.

>>82744932
Why would 13 be happy about a story about kids getting eaten and why would nardole be scared of 13?

>>82744932
Why would 13 delight in hearing that young people getting eaten?

Also, the vault opens next week and we see whose inside

>>82744954
*
And Valeyard doesn't strike me as the psychotic type.

>>82744875
Then how can he even try to hide it

>>82745002
Smell?

The DWTV guy said the vault hasn't leaked yet, so it won't be Missy, Susan or the next Doctor

I'll put money on it being something disappointing like a weeping angel

>>82745071
It's fucking Simm.

>>82745071
>so it won't be Missy
There has been no official leak saying it's missy, only speculation
She's still the most likely answer

>>82745071
It's going to be Simm or Missy.

>>82745102
It's not Missy because The Doctor rescues her from a fortress.

>>82745096
Missy is in some castle with people with staffs

>>82745145
After she gets out of the vault, yes

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>>82745145
Yeah this is where Missy is, not in the vault.

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>>82745174
This is afterwards. You can see the same costume underneath. This is in the place with the pope and monks.

>>82745145

Maybe there's a castle in the vault

>>82745174
>>82745196
Are we guaranteed a multi Master episode?

>>82745196
Why would an ancient castle have futury blue light bars like a cage?

What's stopping missy from putting the coat on after she gets out of the vault, as opposed to taking it off later?

42 is better than Oxygen.
Better characters, more emotional, moral is sligtly more subtle. No cliffhanger thing though.

>>82745222
If Missy is in a cage in the vault with a piano, how was she banging on the door? Presumably the cage would be far away from the door to prevent escape.

>>82745243
>more emotional
What emotional part was there in 42?

>>82745271
you got me there desu
it's possible those blue bars aren't actually a cage but just some kind of meaningless set prop to make the room look more technical

>>82745204
Yes. Moffat said Simm and Gomez are great together.

>>82745272
Doctor containing the sun, he was almost screaming in pain
Martha remembering her parents and preparing to die in airlock

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Leaked s11 tardis design

>>82745373
IT'S REAL

>>82745373
I can believe this since they're apparently filming Series 11 in Sept/October so they'll be building sets now

>>82745373
are those railings floating? with no supports?

>>82745373
Nice! where'd you find this?

>>82745373
A white/blue colour scheme would be delicious. I really want to see white/gold though, like the TL exploratory vessels Miles wrote about.

>>82745373
This looks awfully like the coral tardis sans coral

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>>82745394
>>82745410
>>82745424
>Falling for the bait

>>82745373
The little figure beside the console is a woman. Femdoc confirmed.

>>82745373
that figure looks like a woman to me

>>82745373

Anyone can make a leak and take a photo of it with a phone camera.

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>>82745442
>falling for my bait of acting like I fell for the bait

>>82745474
OP was probably pretty good at modelling.

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>>82745480
>We're hitting levels of bait that shouldn't even be possible

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All i was able to get

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>>82744611
I'd be her companion anytime

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Leaked interior

>>82745585
You've modeled the console too big anon

leak it to GB

might be legit

might not be

worth a laff

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Leaked pic of the s11 TARDIS

Okay can I just say that I love how Capaldi slightly bends his legs/knees? I do the same now.

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Actual leak of S11 console room

>>82745680
can you post a picture of what you mean?

>>82742310
>upload when?
Hey I spent the night watching Eurovision and getting drunk instead of uploading it. I'll do it tomorrow, CATS

Alan G McWhan said it was best Moffat era episode.
I usually tend to share my opinions with him, but... what the fuck?

>>82745698
Originally intended to be the New Paradigm Dalek Emperor's throne room

>>82745750
it's okay man. thanks for even bothering to upload it all. its more effort than most /who/res (including me) would put in

>>82745825
It's pretty easily actually, even though I've never done something like it before. There's something satisfying about it too.

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>>82745717

>>82745882
that's not his normal standing up stance though
are you saying that's how you stand normally now?

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>>82745717
2

has anyone done a reverse image search on that leak?

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>>82745899
Nah, he does it all the time. I meant more like this.

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>>82745899

>>82746018
it's at a fucky angle and they took a picture of their computer so you can't

>they thought this through

Which Doctor had the most brutal death, /who/?

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>>82745899
Again here.

>>82746086
Seven was GUNNED DOWN I'd say that's pretty brutal

he deserved better

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GOAT concept art from 2005.

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>>82745899
And here, once more.

>>82746086
7

>>82746095
I think I bend by legs like that when I'm leaning on stuff, can't think about my general stance in other situations because I don't pay that close attention to it
I'm going to be self conscious as fuck about it now though

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>>82746086
Twelve, gazillions of times in Heaven Sent.

>>82746134
Kek, I hope you're not OCD that would be a nightmare. Now when I stand I kinda look like him, I don't really know why.

>>82746160
I already dress much like twelve (hoodie and 3/4 length coat, been doing it since before he was even cast) so it wouldn't surprise me if I picked it up tbqh

>>82746191
Holy shit I wish I could wear his red velvet coat but I can't afford it and I probably wouldn't even pull it off. You must look dapper in those clothes.

I have obtained access to the secret trip Facebook chat. Ask me anything

>>82746293
what secret trip Facebook chat?

>>82746293
There's a Facebook one now, huh? haha

>>82746281
oh I don't mean I have a crombie with red lining and shit, just that I have a black coat of practically the same shape

>>82746307
>>82746328

Yeah, it's got a bunch of old trips, Cloister, Schlemihl, Furry Porn and also Cats. All by their real names ofc

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13 leaked

Hayley Atwell has been cast as 13 and has been for a good few months. She has just finished filming Howard's End for the BBC and they will be announcing the casting at the end of the month.

They will capitalise on the casting to promote Howard's End and hope that fans will watch that to get accustomed to her. They also used that show as a cover up for a photoshoot.

>>82746470
Looks shit when not tailor made.

>>82746499
nah

JUST TELL ME A JOKE!

>>82746675
yeah

Who was the director on Oxygen and why the fuck did they think putting the picture of bill's mum next to bill as she was 'dying' was a good idea? It was tacky and distracting

LOOK AT ME!

>>82746734
I'M SPLITTING MY SIDES

>>82746723
Everything else about the directing was absolutely GOAT though, it almost felt like they had a proper budget.

Compare nardole in Husbands to nardole in Oxygen
What's a single thing they have in common personality wise?

>>82746753
I-I was quoting Nardole...

>>82746791
50 years have passed m8.

>>82746791
They pretty much established that the Nardole travelling with 12 is not the real Nardole, he just looks like him. He said that the face wasn't his.

>>82746703
Okay

The Curator: Knock Knock
Eleven: Who's there?
The Curator: Nose
Eleven: Nose Who?
The Curator: I believe I've misunderstood how this joke is supposed to work

>>82746810
Stop.

>>82743875
>"bill reminds us she's lesbian"
It's almost like living as a lesbian is something of a continual reminder that you're lesbian.

>>82747169
Donna never had to remind us she was straight

>>82747180
Yeah, she did. Tiny bit. Try to keep up.

thiis episode - very spookly!

>>82747214

When

>>82746723
>why the fuck did they think putting the picture of bill's mum next to bill as she was 'dying' was a good idea? It was tacky and distracting
Dude, those were Bill's last conscious thoughts as she was 'dying', there is literally nothing wrong with using a fade in to juxtapose an image of a character with what's going through their mind. I thought it was pretty intense.

>>82747180
Yes she was. She had at least 3 love interests in a single series.

>>82747259
list them

>>82747244
her entire first episode was her trying to impress a man so she could finally marry him.

I wonder if the topics in the conversation with Bill's date (e.g. feeling guilty, perhaps about blaspheming God by having a sinful tryst with someone of the same sex) might play into the episode indirectly? When Moffat writes one of his tentpole "kino" eps like Listen or Heaven Sent, he goes for thematic unity. It would be pretty interesting if the idea of guilt or sin is weaved into the plot with the Veritas somehow.

>>82747318
Lance Bennett, whom she stalked and pressured into marriage
Lee McAvoy, whom she married in the space of a single episode
Shaun Temple, whom she also married

>>82747422
>listen
>kino
this meme needs to die

>>82747437
>Lance Bennett, whom she stalked and pressured into marriage
That was not in the same series as the other two

>>82747422
I doubt moff would tackle a concept like sin head on, it makes much more sense to just make a joke about the pope walking in on bill in the middle of a lesbian date and leaving it at that

>>82747452
Please, it's still part of her character.

>>82747486
But it's not what you said. Your point is wrong.

>>82747540
She still has 2 men she marries in the same series. It's no better than Bill.

>>82747444
Why is it a bad thing that other people find (and can elaborate on) poeticism, poignance, beauty, joy, and skilled craftsmanship in that episode, just because you personally are immune to it?

>>82742269
The words did imply she was in physical danger.

>>82747180
lol yes she did, constantly

How come the forcefield didn't work in vacuum?

>>82747180
She clearly did "All the good looking men are playing for the other team".

do you think Simm will get a Utopia-style regen into Missy, /who/?

Mathieson episode rankings.

Mummy > Flatline >>> Oxygen > The Girl Who Died

>>82747882
It wasn't strong enough. Generating a force field is harder/requires more energy than just using solid materials.

Doctor SJW

>>82747928
Mummy >> Oxygen >>> Flatline >>>>>>> The Girl Who Died

>>82747882
You can't apply any force in space.

>>82748178
>>>/dalazar/

>I CAN'T LOOK AT ANYTHING

>I'M

>STILL

>BLIND

Literally lolled out loud t b h

Great episode tho

>>82748377
That line was atrocious, I have no idea how it made it into the final script. It could've been a genuinely dramatic moment but they made it so corny.

I'm glad they're sticking with the blind thing though. Hopefully they don't back out of it too soon.

Mathieson is overhyped. Mummy and Flatline are fresh and good, but everything else was fucking shit so these two looked better in comparison

>>82748467
Exactly. His stuff's only good because everything since Capaldi's run began has been no fun and dull.

Mummy's action scenes were pretty original and cool on their own, though.

It's the end but the moment has been prepared for:

>>82748493
>>82748493
>>82748493

How the fuck did he get hold of this nearly 6 hours before it 1st aired? Did it leak early on iTunes again?

https://twitter.com/GeorgeBaker26/status/863491600500101120

Last of the /who/ lords

>>82749088
nope