>PEPPY

Why did this make me laugh? Am I retarded? :(

>>82708176
>when he alludes to pepe being a transexual

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>tfw still haven't cleaned my room because I want and advocate for the world to be as messy and vile as it is
checkmate, Peterson

>>82708261
>Being proud of being weak
Bloody post-modernists...

Le based Tradcon Boomer Defense Force man

>>82708261
sort yourself oot
its no easy job man

>>82708176
lmao why are people so obsessed with peterson here. dude is a fraud

>>82709367
>>82710705

You realize of course that his message is identical to the "man up" espoused by Boomers and roasties?

>>82710806
t. bloody postmodernist

>>82708260
he was referring to kek, the egyptian god.

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>>82710806
reddit it that way *tips fedora*

>>82710852
give an alternative, any alternative

>>82710852
>espoused by Boomers and roasties

Or simply anyone who isn't a worthless neet

I'm surprised Rogan doesn't bring up chimps with Peterson.

>>82710705
ITSNOJOKE

>>82710852
>parents and women tell you to get a job
>THATS DISCRIMINATING AGAINST ME!!!

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>>82710906

>give an alternative, any alternative

Ez-pz: Mark Passio. Has the same amount of New Age LARPing and reading into symbolism too much, but at least he isn't a cuck for the Boomer/Jew system.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMDJlDLXlLc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KW3odUx8-cg

>>82710906
>>82710881
peterson is a psych professor, how much more fedora can one man be

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>>82710852

>>82710852
What the fuck does "man up" even mean
I've been told I need to "man up" so many times what the fuck does it mean

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>>82708176
Sorry jordan, but truth is not in fact dependent on whether or not it is beneficial to man kind

>>82711118
/Thread

>>82711101
To stop being a bitch on just get on with it.
The fact you've been told so many times suggests to me that you're a little bitch.

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>>82711118
FUCK OFF SAM

>>82710852
CLEAN

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>>82711025
>>82710929


I have a 48-hour/week job and my room is always clean since i went to a military academy instead of regular college.

Peterson is still a classic Tradcon Boomer propping up their fucked up system with muh Jung. I don't think he does it on purpose, he's just a bit naive about the whole thing.

here, have a book reccomendation - pic relted. There, i just saved you hours of sitting through Peterson's lectures without being gaslighted into becoming a cuck to boot.

>>82711118
I see no personal benefit in it for me to agree with you. So I won't.

>>82711118
Like IQ stats and race?

>>82711204
sam acknowledges differences

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>>82711118

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>>82711118

I listened to this guy on JRE i honestly dont know why /pol/ jerks him off so much,


>muh muh post modern thinkers!

>>82711278
peterson stalled the discussion though

>>82711278
kek

>>82711316
name me three things that post modernism does right?

tfw you like JBP but he keeps making the same points and you just get annoyed whenever you see him now
>order and chaos
>what matters to you
>yada yada yada
I was a psych student who liked philosophy too, this guy was all that and still failed to excite me, I think I'm depressed desu

>>82711336
because he talks too much, not like he's admitting that all the time

>>82711316

Because they think postmodernism = everything i don't like, and fail to realize that Peterson's New Age interpretations of Pinnochio are postmodern as fuck.

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ITT: Nobody remembers that LAW in CANADA recognizes 99+ genders and the discrimination against them and you fuckheads won't stop watching -kino- to support the only guy in academia that will risk jailtime to prove a point

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUdxCj7IKCY

>>82710852
Yes; when are going to realise that they're right?

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>>82711278
fucking kek

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>>82711414

>They're right

Good goy.

>>82708176
>the bottom of things is not a pretty place to look!
Is Peterson Irish?

>>82708176
you know what this podcast was actually way more psedu - sceience and bullshit heavy then what i thought. Kinda reminds of Sam Harris in the way that he's educated (way more so then harris though) but he still talks a lot about subjects that aren't really his field, but people all eat it up because "he got a PHD hurhur you're just not smart enough".

Some of the most bullshitty momens from the podcast:

>he claims that SJW's are one big organisation, all working together, and that professors are sending young kids out to do their bidding and protest because they're too cowardly to do so themselves
>claims that SJW 'secretly' have some organised marxist / communist agenda when in reality mose of them are just stupid tumblr kids and what not
>exaggerates the importance of tales from the bible and link them to together with human psychology in an extremly, extremly unscientific and anecdotal way to spread his religious views
>General bullshit statements like that people need to reliase the truth more, SJWs don't believe in their own truth which is why they're so angry and evil or some shit
>Tells young 20-somethings to clean their room before they protest and basically that they're to young and stupid to have valid poltical opinions
>All males are on some great, epic quest in life
>Females should just have children (but should be proud about it)
>Joe asks if there's any evolutionary evidence behind the flock and "us vs them "mentality that we often see in humans
>Peterson replies "SNAKES" and spends 30 minutes talking about medusa and how the devil was a snake

probably tons more i could nitpick but i just had the podcast on in the background because i always enjoy it when joe has some educated folks on, but man where there a lot of red flags here

>>82711101
It means to accept your shitty lot in life, accept a bad job with low pay and no job prospects, accept that you'll own ever fuck an overweight woman, accept the system and do not work to change it. Buy into it entirely.

That is what systemcucks like Peterson believe. They think that the system fundamentally works when if anything the massive numbers of underemployed, unemployed youth across the world show that the system is quickly faltering.

>>82711391
>risk jailtime
Ha

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>>82711278
>terrified that he might actually convince you of the existence of god

Fucking kek, when will christcucks learn.

What would Jordan have done, shown him pictures of fat dudes in fedoras?

>>82711179
YOUR

>>82711529
He's a fucking idiot, who occasionally says correct or insightful things.

It's really sad to see a generation of young people indoctrinated by literal YouTube pseudo-intellectuals, whether well-spoken (Harris), educated, or just idiotic (Sargon and most raving anti-SJW YouTube "intellectuals.")

>>82711278
this is 100% true btw. Peterson is based

>resolute christian
>family man
>focused entirely on being moral, truthful, and good in the face of chaos
>BTFO SJWs and snowflakes
>unapologetic white intellectual
>BTFO identity politics
>encourages young people to sort themselves out and smarten up before trying to change the world
>takes scientific advancement with a grain of salt
>BTFO hedonism and degeneracy, drug use, casual sex
>Farm boy from a conservative province
>dresses respectably and presents himself confidently
>sincere, not ironic or detached
>BTFO cultural appropriation
>BTFO employment equity/ affirmative action
>BTFO reparations

he is LITERALLY /ourguy/, this turn against Peterson is nothing more than contrarianism. How many times have people started to hate things when they get popular on this board? Pathetic hipsters, Peterson is great and we will all benefit from him becoming more popular.

>>82711278
The last part about the vacuum in Western culture is spot on.

>>82711540

This guy gets it.

>J-just pick up your cross and bear it, goyim, nevermind all those people that have no cross or are actually delegeting their cross to someone else for no reason, including you. Ha-ha, what social mobility, go clean your room and rescue your father.

>>82710852
It's nothing like that at all, he is talking about self reflection, clear your thoughts.

>>82711529
>mose of them are just stupid tumblr kids and what not

The more I meet them the more I get this sense as well and it brings me some relief. I think it was the 1st podcast where Peterson talks about Jean Piaget and young people having a messianic phase or some shit. Basically saying its a developmental phase. So I think some slack should be cut on his part if he'd recognize it's part of that "save the world" phase.

>>82711529
Why are you at all surprised. He is the perfect Joe rogan guest because Joe loves surface level understandings of things and the perception something is deep so he can say
>Woah dude

>>82711613

>This turn against Peterson is nothing more than contrarianism.

This turn against Peterson is people who actually listened to his lectures instead of reposting memes about him like you do, only to find out that behind those three points he makes over and over he's a Boomer Tradcuck mouthpiece that shills for status quo.

>>82711529
>and that professors are sending young kids out to do their bidding and protest because they're too cowardly to do so themselves
That's literally true though, you clueless fuckwit. Not bothering to read the rest of that shit.

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>a Kekistan?

I've noticed that whenever I'm halfway impressed by Peterson it's because he's saying something that I've already heard Nietzsche say.
Just read Nietzsche and replace Christians with SJWs, that's Peterson.

>>82711613
No. Just because he's not an SJW does not make him "based".

>>82711613
>this turn against Peterson

He's gotten insanely popular in many corners of the internet. Don't dismiss criticism of his insight as simple contrarianism. That's intellectually dishonest horseshit.

where my kekastini bois at ??

>>82711705
ive listened to many of his lectures, he actually has profound insight into a lot of literature and historical trends.

Im an avid reader of Russian lit and his lectures on dosto and tolstoy, and interpreting their philosophies in a modern context is impressive.

he's a bright guy 4u

>>82711776
fair, but from what i remember opinions of him were far more positive before he became popular on this website, despite him having the same positions. In that regard some of it is certainly contrarianism

>>82711613
You're an idiot. Peterson is just another fucking boomer who thinks traditional values (which the Boomers shat all over) and hard work (which the boomers didn't do) will somehow turn things around for the young generation despite the economic circumstances of 1950 to 1985~ being completely different than those today. Hating SJWs does not automatically make someone "based." It's the same sort of retarded logic that Trumptards employ to support their failing president: sure, SJWs and liberals hate him, so he must be doing something! #based #MAGA

>>82711653
You can not get any deeper than trying to wrestle with the archetypes that supersede everything that makes up psychology, society or other collective unit you can think of. The difficulty and scope to grasp is nearly all encompassing.

>>82711800

>He actually has profound insight into a lot of literature and historical trends.

More often than not he blatantly twists the message and sybmolism to fit his Jungian and Tradcon paradigms. The most obvious example is constantly going on about the Gulag Archipelago without ever so much as mentioning 200 Years Together.

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>You can not get any deeper than trying to wrestle with the archetypes that supersede everything that makes up psychology, society or other collective unit you can think of. The difficulty and scope to grasp is nearly all encompassing.

Reminder that "post modernism" is just the politically correct way of saying cultural marxism. Jacques Derrida was a marxist kike. The eternal jew strikes again.

>>82711856
>This collective guilt.
Found the commie SJW.

>>82711897
>200 Years Together.

Is that the one that's banned or cant get translated into english or some shit?

>tfw Dr Peterson isn't black pilled enough
It's nice that he thinks the world we be better off if we pull up our bootstraps and clean our rooms, but the fact is we are beyond the point of no return - "why bother" is the question eternally on young people's minds and it's much worse than when JP was a young man. Modern life simply does not permit for real fulfilment in the sense that he's trying to put across. The best chance we have is if this clown-world keels over because of some catastrophe, either suddenly or over time, and people eventually remember the animal instincts which made life meaningful and religion worth having ect ect ect

>>82711856
I am not a trump supporter at all, i think hes a literal retard. I like Peterson for his insistance on treating people as individuals, not categories. And he is well aware of the economic conditions today, he merely believes in being strong and stable internally prior to trying to take them on.

>>82708176
This was the most surreal thing I've ever watched.

>>82711961
Calling me a commie won't get you a job or save the young people from living with their mom until they're 35.

>>82711856
"you're just a bitter trump support!" nice strawman

>>82711896

>Archetypes that supersede everything that makes up psychology
>The difficulty and scope to grasp is nearly all encompassing.

Jungianism is one step removed from Tarot card reading, and is rightfully treated as New Age woo in proper psychiatry. The "muh archetypes that supercede everything" seem to conviently change their meaning in relation to what topic the Jungian is preaching about on that particular day

>>82712001
Being strong and internally stable is nice when you have a good life, a loving family, a stable social network, gainful employment. It isn't easy when your parents want you to move out, you can't find a good job, women won't date you, and so on. Try being internally stable and strong living in poverty, going from job to job, working literally 60 to 70 hours a week, suffering from mental illness, etc.

This is not an individual problem. If it were an individual problem, it wouldn't be happening across the world in literally every first world country. It's a systemic problem. Young people just didn't magically decide not to work.

Peterson is caught up in this Hero/Dragon/Woman story, and wonders why there are so few "Hero" men today, and tells men to be the Hero. Notice how he doesn't talk about the Maiden archetype. He doesn't say "Maybe one of the the reasons there are so few heroes is that there are so few Maidens worth rescuing." He also doesn't talk about how women can be that Maiden as he speaks of how men can be the hero. Let's play with the story: replace the Maiden with a Whore. Why be the Hero for the Whore? Take it a step further: she has not been kidnapped by the Dragon, but rather she has given herself to it. She loves the Dragon for his violence, she loves the Dragon for the gold it has hoarded. Now not only is she not worth rescuing, but she does not even want to be rescued.

>>82712104
>Jungianism is one step removed from Tarot card reading

Serious question. Peterson turned me on to reading into Jung. Should I just not venture down that road?

>>82712051
I never said that, retard. Learn to read. I said that people who like Peterson because he hates SJWs are using the same logic as those Trump supporters who like him just because he sticks it to liberals and SJWs while doing nothing meaningful for them.

Hating SJWs won't bring the jobs back, won't get you an 8/10 submissive wife, and won't give you the social self-esteem you think you deserve.

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>>82711541
>if you refuse to pay a fine, you go to jail

back to highschool with ye

>>82712145

Read on, experiment, and make up your own conclusions. Jungians =/= Jung himself. People have tried to make a buck with self-help shticks based on his work way before Peterson.

>>82712110
it is at its core an individual problem, that does not mean there isnt systemic or societal pressures.
these things have to happen to individual people

>>82711118
in all seriousness, he's right

>He actually apologized to MGTOWs when he realized they were a large part of his audience

wew bucko

>>82712141
This is quite an interesting point actually. Near the end you get a bit /pol/ for my tastes but I'd be interested as to why Peterson hasn't broached that. As I recall Joe actually asked him about women's role and he mostly dodged it.

DUDE DRAGONS LMAO

>>82711316
Because he stood up to the far-left and didn't compromise his beliefs. And fuck Canada.

>>82712582

>I'd be interested as to why Peterson hasn't broached that.

Because he's a Boomer Tradcon who refuses to adress the elephant in the room and tries to dance around it by gaslighting young men about their own masculinity and sense of self-worth.

And no, by the elphant i don't mean da juice or le roasties rooooo.

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>>82708176
>DUDE SJWS ON COLLEGE CAMPUSES ARE THE GREATEST THREAT THE WEST IS FACING RIGHT NOW LMAO
>MUH GULAGS
Why does anyone take this guy seriously again?

>>82712675
you mean your mom?

>>82712153
thats not why I support Peterson, not at all actually. still strawman

>>82712702
He's just the latest in a long line of self-promoting intellectuals who the incels/MGTOWs latch onto to explain their personal failings and reactionary beliefs.

>>82712675
>the elephant in the room
Erock?

>>82712675
Well I don't think he's entirely gaslighting them, there is a noticeable drop in masculinity. But it is dishonest not to provide all sides of the picture.

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>all these commie millennial fucks with muh boomers
>thinking all boomers are west cucks or raised on the same values as hippie americuck boomers

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>>82712702
>>MUH GULAGS
Made me kek for some reason

>>82712702
Commies in colleges are a fucking problem, and the fact that they aren't detested like the fucking neo-nazis are, is utterly abhorrent given that the ideology they advocate for is even more vile than nazism.

>>82711576
If Peterson is an idiot you are literally retarded in comparison

>>82713177
>the ideology they advocate for is even more vile than nazism.
An utterly egalitarian society doesn't seem too vile. In fact, it sounds downright utopian.

>>82713177
>nazi and confederate flags are banned
>soviet flag isnt
>khmer rouge isnt
>cuban isn't
>north korean and chinese flags arent banned either

Intellectuals should all be shot, because THESE DAYS it is their literal job to jerk themselves off, swallow their own cum, and then pontificate on how tasty it was.

Peterson is cancer like the rest, with these shitty alternative explanations like its English 101 and the teacher asks you to write what the significance of the curtain being blue in Act 1 Scene 1 of Hamlet was. Despite this, his overall impact is POSITIVE, therefore he should not be scrutinized as much as those that are truly too far gone.

But I really can't stand Joe's shitty drug-related intellectualism. When he namedropped Fritz Haber I just about died of laughter. Fucking hilariously disgusting Callen-level bullshit. But you know what, as cringeworthy as it all is, the net impact on society is still positive. Sorry for the reddit-level post but I cant stand those who worship this Peterson faggot

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>>82713177
>SJWs = Communists
>"the ideology they advocate for is even more vile than nazism"
I wonder who could be behind this post.

>>82713250
Here we go.

>>82713000

I'm a Russian, our boomers aren't west cucks or raised on the same values as hippie americuck boomers but they created exactly the same set of problems. Peterson's groundbreaking advice about cleaning your room and reporpused Alan Watts-tier navel gasing with a conservative twist doesn't do fucking dick to solve them.

>>82713243
Harumph!

>>82711278

Fuckoff, Christfag. Peterson is wrong about truth and facts being separate.

>>82713250
> it sounds downright utopian.
And hence it's danger, as the morons striving for that utopia have time and time again shown themselves to be utterly ruthless and murderous in the pursuit of their imagined perfect society. Over 60 million people died in the USSR as a result of that utopian dream.

>>82713278
Please tell me how an egalitarian society is "more vile than nazism." If we want to talk about the applications and effects of the ideologies, that's an entirely different story. But communism, on paper, is not dedicated to a vile goal unless you consider equality to be unacceptable.

>>82713357
So we are talking about the applications and effects. I thought we were strictly talking about ideology, and that's my bad.

>>82713300
>Peterson's groundbreaking advice about cleaning your room and reporpused Alan Watts-tier navel gasing with a conservative twist doesn't do fucking dick to solve them.
but have you tried any of his advices? try it out and post in this thread in 50 years from now.

>>82713268
What good has communism ever done? Capitalism is not perfect, it has many flaws and leaks where people can take advantage of others, but it's the best system currently. Compared to communism it might as well be perfect.

>>82713250
Yeah, under your morality

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>>82713435

I've been trying out "his" advices since forever (2013) because he isn't the sole Jungian psychologist or self-help speaker in existence, and some of his fellow Jungians have gone deeper than saying what basically amounts to "lol just deal with it".

>>82713357
>Over 60 million people died in the USSR as a result of that utopian dream.
Inflated numbers aside, you can empirically contribute higher death tolls from the direct result of capitalism.

>>82711613

Speak for yourself, fag. Jordan is right about the SJW's and wrong about religion. What he was saying on Sam Harris' podcast was gibberish.

>>82713545
I'm curious what system of morality makes the philosophy of nazism less reprehensible than that of communism. It seems like a very outlandish thing to say, but I am genuinely interested in your explanation.

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>>82713262
>Intellectuals should all be shot

Liberals get the bullet too ;)

English Literature around the worl has been compromised since everybody wanted to be JAILE Peterson himself points it out

Get tampons or something your butthole shouldn't be leaking so massively

>>82713436
Communism in it's purest form has never been applied in the real world. CCCP diverged into perpetual state bureaucracy.

>>82713629
Well no shit, that's why it'll never work, a system where it can't govern itself and has unlimited power with a selfish species will never work. You are a naive child if you ever think it would ever work unless it's with ants or machines

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>>82713371
It means reducing every single member of the society to a mindless cog in the machine; destroying individuality and with it all personal freedoms - including all that ostensibly coveted "diversity". Probably the most hellish, soul-crushing society imaginable. I would have a hard time believing someone who wasn't lobotomized could actually think it could be a good thing, especially in light of the last 100 years... but I've seen people believe even dumber shit than that, so I guess I'm not surprised. Even if you're not being genuine, some people have to be. It can't all be a massive trolling campaign.

That aside though, I'd be 100% all for it if I didn't have to live there. Then morons like you could go there to enjoy the suffering, and I could sit over here enjoying the schadenfreude. Everybody wins. So, y'know, more power to the communists if you ask me. I think the best analogy is to that of a seasonal flu. Y'know, it comes along once in a while and kills a few sick and old people; keeps us on our toes. Similarly, we can just have minor waves of communism wash over us to weed out the sick and old ones damaged enough to really fall for it. Then it'll die off again, before resurging a generation later to do the same shit all over again. And of course people would never learn, because they never do. I think this would be the best outcome for everyone involved. Shit, they should've fukken elected me president. I have all the answers.

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>>82713629
yes, of course

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>>82713371
Given that the brand of egelitarianism commies seem to be advocating for is the one of "equality of outcome" along with being filled with vile concepts like class guilt and the idea that any success you have in life is due to you oppressing and stealing shit from others, I do consider it to be dedicated to viler goals than that the nazis had. Just because nazis made it absolutely clear that they wanted to kill tons of people, doesn't excuse commies from hiding that intent behind nice sounding words.

>>82713744
Lol nice memeball xDDD. Doesn't change the fact that the textbook definition of communism has never been applied.

>>82713782
So you seem to have a view of communism that's more inspired by 1984 than any communist literature or analyses, and that's fine. But you still haven't told me how this purportedly soul-crushing ideology is any better than that of nazism, which could have many of the same claims levied against it (and more).

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>>82713829
Because texbook definition of communism IS FUCKING IMPOSSIBLE TO APPLY.

Your "pure, true communism" is nothing more than an utopian pipe dream that CANNOT be put into practice in the real fucking world.

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>>82711118

>>82708176

>sounds like Kermit the frog
> Pepe is a frog
> both are based

Coincidence?

>>82713351

No he's not

>>82711101

Don't whine, keep trying, build yourself up. How the fuck do you not know that?

>>82713823

This flowchart triggers me as a comp sci major. The loop arrow isn't supposed to flow directly back into the decision.

>>82713862
>But you still haven't told me how this purportedly soul-crushing ideology is any better than that of nazism
Because more people retained their quality of life under nazi regime than under commie regime. Under nazi regime, only the undesirables got shat on, while the majority of germans had their quality of life massively improved, while under communism, pretty much everyone outside of the party itself, was reduced to near poverty.

Not that the above excuses the nazi atrocities upon the "undesirables" but in terms of scope of who got shat on, commies shat on far, far greater number of people than the nazis did.

>>82713862
Nazism would be worse for the undesirables for sure. But it wouldn't be worse for the ones left, who'd at least still be able to enjoy the ability to express their individuality within the constraints of that system.

>>82713968

>Cost of living keeps rising, wages keep dropping, social mobility basically doesn't exist anymore as a concept, we're back to rebranded feudalism

DON'T WHINE GOYIM, WHAT ARE YOU, UNSORTED OR SOMETING? SLAY THAT DRAGON BUCKO RESCUE YOUR FATHER ROUGHLY SPEAKING

>>82711540
And what do you suppose to do, other than deal with the hand you have been given, and work with it to improve your lot in life?
Some sort of murderous revolution?
Because the changes of that making things better are slim to none. Peterson is absolutely right on that our system works. It sure as fuck has flaws, but it is still the best damn system in the world, and it is our lot in life to work to improve it, and not break it apart at it's foundations.

Vast majority of humanity still live under defacto tyrannical regimes. What we have in the west is almost unique, and the solution to it's problems is not to fucking demolish the entire system.

>>82713864
Very true my friend. That's why left libertarian anarchism by means of the violent overthrow of the capitalist system is the best way to achieve a stateless egalitarian society. Vanguard parties are a meme.

>>82714107
>anarchism
>violent overthrow of the capitalist system
> stateless egalitarian society
I ain't your fucking friend m8.
Anarchists are scum of the earth, who have zero understanding of how the world works.
Hierarchical structures are bound to form in any human society, anarchy is nothing more than a transitional state of chaos between two hierarchies.
Should you succeed in your imbecilic goals, you'd just make the world a worse place to live in given that you are just another brand of deluded utopians who strife for an impossible goal.

>>82714100
this 1000%. well said

>>82714077

I'm just telling you what "man up" means ya weenie

>>82714064
>Nazism would be worse for the undesirables
Soviets weren't shy of exterminating their undesirables either.
Both systems are shit tier for the undesirables. Unfortunately in soviet system the scope of undesirables is far greater than that in nazism.

>>82713930

Sam Harris wouldn't split hairs about "hot" and "cold," because "cold" doesn't exist. It's not Harris' fault that Peterson was spewing nonsense.

>>82711529
>>he claims that SJW's are one big organisation, all working together,
He specifically said that this isn't the case

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>>82714100

>Peterson is absolutely right on that our system works. It sure as fuck has flaws, but it is still the best damn system in the world, and it is our lot in life to work to improve it, and not break it apart at it's foundations.

Holy fuck this madman actually used the Aztec meme argument

>>82714469
Point to a better system than western liberal democracy and maybe you might have an argument.

>>82714256

6,000,000%, well cucked fellow goiym.

>>82713621
Your post makes no sense faggot. Id rather it have been ignored than shitted up by you

>>82714469
>Let's abandon a system that has thrown humanity the best foot forward COMPLETELY out through a revolution, shut up capitalist-cuck don't say that does not make sense.

Also, where does Mcdonalds hold it's human sacrifice ceremonies? That sounds fun

>>82714498

>maybe you might have an argument.

You and Peterson and all the rest status quo supporting Tradcucks already don't have any arguments other than relative privation fallacy - how does someone else's predicament absolves my own?

>>82714314

Clearly that's not the case because in the follow up conversation they cleared the whole misunderstanding up.

Harris confounds truth with facts, an easy mistake to make. The illustration with "Truth in Shakespeare" was appropriate.

>>82714644
The argument is that under current system, we aren't all living in abject poverty with zero freedoms and subjected to the whims of tyrannical rulers with zero protection from the law, like majority of humanity still is to this day.
What is your argument for trashing this system? The fact that you don't make as much money as the 0.0001% of entire mankind? Because just by the virtue of being a westener, and having a fucking computer trough which to chat with me, you are already part of the fucking 1% of humanity with this level of affluence.

Or do you think that you are "oppressed" under this system? Because if you do, you have no clue of what oppression actually fucking entails, like pretty much no one living in the west does.

I haven't listened to Jordan on Harris' podcast yet. I did watch this video with Rogan.

Is this guy on meth or something? He was rambling incessantly, losing focus, couldn't keep track of his thoughts, etc.

When talking about (nearly-)universal instincts such as tribalism and tribal warfare, he calls them gods. Then he describes those instincts as if they were the actual people/gods he called them. So when describing war, he says Mars/Ares instead.

He sounded like a complete lunatic.

>>82712738
Didn't that fat ass commit suicide?

>>82713607
One where strength and exceptionalism is considered a higher ideal than making sure as many people as possible are comfortable, it's pretty easy to imagine

>>82714749

It's alot more likely you're too thick to understand him, nothing wrong with that.

>>82714749
Peterson seems to hold the belief that the origins of gods are in personifications our ancestors constructed out of instincts and traits shared across all humans. Like aggression, rage and hate, for example, that can be found in every human was externalized and personified into something separate, but shared across all humans that eventually became the root of the idea of war gods etc.

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>>82714749
you're too much of a materialist faggot to understand him, bucko

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>>82714742

I don't live in the West as i said above, and it's ain't about the money. It's about the completely fallacious nature of the social and governmental institutions that abuse me 24/7 while claiming to be working for my benefit. Wait, you thought i was a commie or something?

The "don't rock the boat argument" doesn't lift anyone out of abject poverty, it extends slavery.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMDJlDLXlLc

>>82714951
>>82714934
>>82714912
I understand him fine, he just sounds like a lunatic when trying to explain it.

He sounds even more than a lunatic when he starts drinking his own kool-aid and instead of describing them as instincts, describes them as actual separate beings.

>>82714982
Then why the fuck are you whining about westerners not wanting to break up their system that is basically the best system in the world?

Of course if you live outside of the west, which probably means that you live under tyranny, you should rock the boat.

The argument is not about the idea that "rocking the boat" doesn't necessarily do shit. It is that "rocking the boat" in the west is fucking STUPID as our system right now, would only be harmed by some sort of mass scale revolution.
There is basically no abject poverty, let alone slavery in the west.
The "poor people" in the west are not poor by world's standards. They are just poor by western standards.

>>82708176

when he got the whole origin of KEK completely wrong and didn't mention that it came from WOW, I had to shut it off, and I listen to every JRE

>>82715084
Yeah, he has a bad habit of getting too lost in his own metaphors. If you can follow them, understanding him is easy, but it is easy to get lost in them.

>>82715084

I never found him difficult to follow in the slightest. He does meander a bit from point to point though.

>>82714100
We can all live pretty comfy lives if the world's wealth is divided equally but no instead a few hundred psychopaths controll 90% of it.

>>82715087

>There is basically no abject poverty, let alone slavery in the west.

What are student loans and mortgage :^)

>Then why the fuck are you whining about westerners not wanting to break up their system that is basically the best system in the world?

Because your system supports the status quo that supports my system.

>>82715219
>We can all live pretty comfy lives if the world's wealth is divided equally
source on that claim pls

>>82714469
how are Aztecs doing these days?

>>82715102
You got mad because a old guy got the origins of a shitty meme mixed up? I'm here 11 years and even I didn't know that.

>>82715219
I do not support modern neoliberalism that only benefits the ultra-rich so yes, I do agree with you on that. However, that doesn't mean that I support the insanity of destroying the only system in the world right now, that grants us this degree of personal freedoms and protection from tyranny.

>>82715266
>What are student loans and mortgage :^)
Neither causes of abject poverty or forms of slavery. You willingly take such a loan. Nobody forces you to it.

>Because your system supports the status quo that supports my system.
So you want us to be dragged down to your level.
Piss off.

Uplift yourself and change your own system, before demanding change from others.

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>>82715219

>We can all live pretty comfy lives if the world's wealth is divided equally

>>82715219

if people would stop infesting this world with children they can't afford this wouldn't be a problem

>>82715423

>Uplift yourself from your own homebrew oligarchy to out patented, two party system oligarchy

Ok bucko, right after i clean my room roughly speaking.

>>82713551
I found an audiobook and I'll listen through it. I think I heard Sam Hyde reference this book before.

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>>82715595
I am not murrican m8.
And yeah, again, change yourself, before demanding change from others, cunt.

In all honesty, I don't even care in how shit the lives of people in some third world shithole are. I wish that we stopped all foreign aid to those countries. Maybe then you'd fucking fix your shit.

>>82708176
>CLEAN YOUR ROOM

>>82712702
College campuses have become unfit for purpose. They actively encourage and give institutional power to people who detest white people, masculinity, and western civilization in general, while shunning any other political activism. The fact that Jordan Peterson was threatened for his very moderate opinions up until he reached a huge swell of public support only proves his point, dude.

You seriously don't see the problem with the centers of higher learning and the barriers to getting to the only decent jobs that still exist become so radically ideological?

>>82715733
>You seriously don't see the problem with the centers of higher learning and the barriers to getting to the only decent jobs that still exist become so radically ideological?

Of course he doesn't, because he is one of the ideologs himself, and sees nothing wrong with the idea of his ideology becoming the dominant force in society.

On the Day of The Rope, fence sitters and tradcucks will be put against the wall and given a cigarette along with commies and Judeo-Masons.

>>82711242
but they are meaningless since there's no true good and bad

70 iq and 170 iq is the same thing

>>82715102
As far as I'm aware it came from broodwar which was before WoW.

>>82716142
It did. Specifically from the Korean Starcraft scene.
"ZERG RUSH KEKEKEKEKE"

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>>82715203
He's easy to follow, it's just nonsense

>>82708176
I thought this guy was alright until I heard him talking about Pepe. Fucking normalfaggot poseur starts off alright then gets everything wrong and they end up showing the Kekistani redditor bullshit.

>>82715423
>doesn't mean that I support the insanity of destroying the only system in the world right now, that grants us this degree of personal freedoms and protection from tyranny
Seems like you think change can't happen without a transitional period of complete anarchy, I don't see any logical reason why changing a system has to mean completely destroying it first and coming up with an alternative after the fact. Reasonable cynicism in today's age given how divided people are, but isn't that counter to the kind of thinking that achieved democracy and personal freedoms in the first place? Democracy didn't come about in the west by waiting for the previous system to change itself, or by asking nicely.

Also
>protection from tyranny
It's a system you can't change being controlled by people you can't replace, only difference is in granting people "personal freedom" and the illusion that they actually have a say in the big decisions being made. That aside, the ruling class and their cronies in the west are just as quick to fund or take funding from overseas tyrannical dictatorships and terrorist groups (that will inevitably give rise to dictatorships), that will in turn endlessly threaten your democracy and personal freedoms.

>>82716508
I assumed we were talking about the specific type of societal change the people Peterson is talking about, the pseudo marxist "social justice warriors" advocate for, which would entail destroying the current system utterly.

Of course, our system needs improvement and fixing, but it cannot happen trough the means proposed by most of the social revolutionaries, who push identity politics above everything else.

You are correct on the assessment that the political and economic class has become heavily corrupted, and that they need to be "purged" of that corruption for the sake of not only the system itself, but the continuation of the people who inhabit these nations, but seeking to achieve it trough violent means, at least at this point, would only serve their interests.

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>>82716026
>Jewish subjectivism
>In the mere three centuries it's taken these people to emerge from the ghettos of Europe, they've ripped us out of a world of order and reason. They've thrown us into a chaos of class warfare, irrational urges, relativity, into a world where the existence of matter and meaning is in question. Why? Because it's the deepest impulse of a Jewish soul to pull at the fabric of life until there's nothing left but a thread. They want nothing but nothingness. Nothingness without end.

at what min he starts speaking about cleaning the room?

I wanna hear that part, but his voice is really annoying to listen for three hours.

>>82710852

t. boy with messy room

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>>82711278

lol yep

>>82717321

haha ebin meme my friend upvoted, let's sort ourselves out and rescue some fair maiden pushing 30 from the dragon to LARP based Peterson's unsustainable Tradcuck fantasy.

>>82711118
(((harris)))

>>82717199
I don't think he even says that in the Joe Rogan podcast. The memers just stuck to that phrase.
The basic gist of it is directed at young activist types, and boils down to "Don't try to tell others how to run their lives, if you can't even keep your own room in order."

Why is it that every time someone argues against Peterson he makes it clear that he never bothered trying to actually listen to the man? I'm yet to see a sound criticism of Peterson in these threads.

>>82710852
>Message espoused by functional members of society

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>>82711529
confirmed for having a literary comprehension or a 12 year old.

Have some critical thinking you mongoloid.

>>82717984

>Boomers
>Roasties

>functional members of society

WEW LAD
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>>82710906
>give an alternative, any alternative
Not an argument.
Right wingers who stalled Mittens got a substantially better candidate four years later.
If you can't walk away from a bad deal, you are bound to be taken advantage of.

>Older people who cultivated leftist doctrine during the good old days of trolling christians and moms against vidya
vs.
>Younger people who cultivated rightwing ideals in response to the rise of virtue signaling narcissists

Stop fighting each other. You're brothers! Peterson would just be a nice nobody professor if the world wasn't so sick. Incorporate your shadow.

>>82717984

Most of the boomers I've encountered that say this kind of shit are alcoholics who just collect social security.

anecdotal, but the phrase doesn't address the issue to begin with.

>>82711101
Shoulder responsibility and be truthful

>>82715897
I'm sure 'tradcucks' are paralyzed in fear of fat faggot neonazis like you and your pathetic murder fantasies

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>it's a Bill Burr and Redban get into a 25 minute arguement about RSS feeds episode

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>>82715219
You don't even understand what wealth is. Go clean your room.

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>>82719007
>you were supposed to learn a sophisticated and encompassing understanding if Nietzsche, Jung, Diderot and Freud as a foundation for firm philosophical understanding of Western society and history in high school.

Yeah, you've never listened to him, you stupid little fuckwit.

>>82714222
Trips of truth

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>all the samefags in this thread

Literally kys yourselves

>>82711633
>are actually delegeting their cross to someone else for no reason, including you. Ha-ha,
this is so true

why do people tell me to always outdo people around me when i have to pick up after them? they say "cus they will see your good example and want to follow it"

NO, theyll see me working for them and say "stupid nigger doing all the work for us so we never have to!"

people who are assholes, are assholes because they take advantage of people around thems understanding. they are manipulators

>>82713556
Except Capitalism has actually produced something of value. Or at least something that, in theory, some people might actually want. Communism has produced nothing but misery, suffering, and death, and not for lack of trying either.

>>82718034
>Literally posting on a frog website

>>82718445
What can I say? My experiences have been different.

>>82708176
>watching old men try to discuss memes they dont understand

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>>82710852
>>82711101

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>>82720668
You can't possibly be that ignorant.