itt: shit plebs say >it's not a film it's an experience

>I think Villeneuve is a good director.

>>82675108
>Bane?

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>it's a tour de force

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>>82675201
If you don't like Prisoners you can kindly fuck off my board

>>82675108
shit plebs say
>it's not a film, it's a movie
>it's not a movie it's a flick
>it's not a flick it's cinema


And kino is a stupid word for stupid people and germans.

>>82675253
This, I fucking hate it when critics or anyone says this

>>82675201
He hasn't made a single bad movie though?

>brave
>just turn your brain off
>it's a movie, quit thinking about it so hard

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>the movie was sooooooo slow
>style over substance
>the story was bad so the movie is shit

>better call Saul is a good show

my gf knows a guy who likes to sit through the whole credits to 'absorb' what he just watched

>>82675404
my dad used to do this because he wanted to listen to the music.

this was before he discovered youtube though.

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>>82675108
>A love letter to ____

>>82675201
He is a good director. He doesn't make the best films. But he can direct.

Christopher nolan for example, is a bad director. Some of the scenes from his films (especially the dark Knight rises) are just sloppy.

>you just aren't smart enough to get it
Usually followed up with not being able to explain it thus proving they're a pretentious contrarian

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>>82675108
>an experience
man waking up and living life is also an experience

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>>82675108
Nic Cage is a bad actor

>>82675404
I used to do this in the early days of capeshit but now it's pointless as it's always just snippets from trailers they put out months ago for a movie they announced years ago

>>82675404
I sit through the credits of every movie I watch. When I was a kid it was to see if there was anything after the credits, but now it's to listen to the music. And to kind of absorb I guess.

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>>82675108
>it's not a film it's a motion picture

>>82675108
I bet no one ever said "it's not a film", you just asked some surface level pleb tier question in a Tarkovsky/Lynch thread like "What does this mean, what is the message??" and someone explained to you that there is no universal singular answer and you are still not able to process it like that.

>>82675485
he is just as bad as Nolan, maybe worse. His movies are lifeless, directionless, dishonest. Fedora-core director making empty thrillers, some of the most shallow movies I've ever seen.

This is not up for debate, it's a pleb filter. If you disagree we don't have much to discuss, our views on film are entirely different.

>>82675390
>better call saul is a bad show

>>82675658
You are just commenting on the subject or the written narrative of his films that you don't like, not his execution.
The script is just one filmmaking element.
You could easily made that comment for any director in the world.

List some actual valid buzzword free arguments, because I sure can list a lot about Nolan.

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>>82675108
>itt: shit plebs say
Pic related. Nothing but a bunch of plebs with shit taste that constantly act contrarian because they're so afraid of looking like Reddit (even though there's no cultural difference) they shill utter shit in an effort to look intelligent.

>>82675275
Yeah, anon. We lost that battle long ago.

>>82675658
I don't like his films. I think they are boring and uninteresting. But he can direct. There is nothing wrong with how he directs.

>>82675485
>>82675658
Villieneu's style is a bit hackish, relying on being "modern art" and therefore vague intentionally so to require the audience to make their own interpretations. It's a gross misunderstanding and misuse of "show not tell." Rather than telling through showing as the idiom originally meant, Villinue shows a lot but tells nothing, not because the viewer doesn't "get it," but he has nothing to tell. This breed of modern filmmakers have no opinions of their own, but hold the Marxist ideal that all interpretations are equally valid.

Pick me a topic, and I'll try to write a short scene like a Villineue film.

>>82675767
right. I have no problem with the execution indeed. He went to film school, I prefer directors who went to film. For example, someone who likes Kubrick probably also likes Villeneuve. I'm not a fan of either.

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HOW TO SPOT A PLEB 101

>only able to discuss literal plot points and the logical order of the narrative of a film
>every film has a singular universal "deep meaning" which you have to "get" to understand it
>"The writing is the most important filmmaking element!"
>thinks that empty pretty pictures means "good cinematography"
>"I don't find this part of the narrative plausible or realistic, therefore the movie is SHIT!"
>treating a film like a puzzle which you have to put together in a certain kind of way to get it
>a film is either utter dogshit or a masterpiece, there is no inbetween
>"Who cares about editing, framing and composition sound and whatnot if the story isn't great."
>considers heavy use of direct symbolism as a positive factor
>using "reddit" and "imdb-tier" as arguments ever
>using "boring" and "nothing happens" as arguments ever

>>82675404
What's wrong with that, though?

"Kino"

>>82675783
This

/thread

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>>82675783

>>82675844
>so to require the audience to make their own interpretations

You think that's something modern filmmakers do? It's literally the opposite.
Tarkovsky and David Lynch also hate symbolism and require the audience to make their own interpretations, are they "modern filmmaker"?

>>82675873
>every film has a singular universal "deep meaning" which you have to "get" to understand it

>treating a film like a puzzle which you have to put together in a certain kind of way to get it

these things really bother me

>>82675873
Okay. Name your top films.

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>>82675108
>snyder is good

>>82675929
>so afraid of looking like reddit
>posts reddit

>>82675873
>considers heavy use of direct symbolism as a positive factor
This. It's lazy and creates this faux sense of depth.

>>82675873
>how to spot a cinematography autist the post

>>82675948
In no particular order

>Wake in Fright
>The Vanishing (Spoorloos)
>Fail-Safe
>Man Bites Dog
>Pickpocket
>The Conversation
>Eraserhead
>The Wages of Fear
>No Country for Old Men
>Das Boot

>>82675658
>dishonest
Opinion discarded.

>>82675873
Question though, what else do you say instead of
>This movie is like a puzzle
'Cause sometimes, movies are like that. How else would you describe it?

>>82675935
No, that's different. Villineue has ZERO views of his own and makes "really made me think" type of shallow cinema. Lynch and Tarkovsky's films have a message, and they try to say something specific. What the viewer interprets is up to them. No piece of art stops a viewer from interpretation.

Like how you can interpret the Mona Lisa with your own meaning but Da Vinci had an intention and goal for the painting. We may not know what it was, but it shows. On the other hand, modern art is like throwing random paint strokes on a piece of paper, and RELYING on the viewer to give it meaning.

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>>82675349
>it's a movie, quit thinking about it so hard
I fucking hate this. People are actually proud of being too stupid to analyze a film?

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>It's good but it's overrated

>>82675873
What criteria SHOULD we use then?
*tips fedeora back*

>>82676111
>Disney's Frozen

>>82676101
Tbh if you're thinking "hard" for a movie you're already a brainlet.

A retarded person can think hard at pre-algebra while most people just got it right away and you're just chasing your tail to make sense of it.

>>82676057
I don't know why do you think Villeneuve's films are like that.
Sicario is about morals and the grey area inbetween right or wrong just like Eraserhead is about fatherhood. I don't see the "randomness" in any of his films.

Can you name one of his films that you think is "like throwing random paint strokes on a piece of paper"?

>>82676111
Overrated is a pleb buzzword that probably pisses me off like no other. It means absolutely nothing. A lot of people liking it somehow makes the movie worse to you? Are you just trying to appear more intelligent than everybody else by immediately saying that it's not as good as everybody says but your only argument is that a lot of people like it? Fuck outta here.

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>People who say ''Film is supposed to be entertainment!''
>People who have 2001, Seven Samurai, Citizen Kane, other pleb shit on their top lists
>People who have seen 1 film made before the 50s and think they have taste
>People who like Wes Anderson and think they somehow have taste
>People with most movies on list made in last 20 years
>People who have no foreign language movies listed
>People who think korean cinema is good
>People who have movies from Nolan, Tarantino, Villeneuve, Aronofsky, Kubrick, Refn, Snyder on their list
>People who have any comic book movie listed
>People who say comfy/based

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>>82676173

>>82676045
Most aren't. Yes there are films like Stay that deliberately make the film like a puzzle which you have to put together, but most aren't.

A few examples where people think films are puzzles, but aren't:
>WAS IT A DREAM OR REALITY in Inception
>WHO WAS THE SHOOTER in The Hunt
>WHERE WAS THE MIC in The Conversation
>WAS IT RAPE in Sicario
>WHO SENT THE TAPES in Cache

protip: it doesn’t matter

These points are not left out ambiguous so only the "secret underground patrician dissecting club" can get the point, they are left out either for more impact on the actual visual narrative or because it's simply unecessary to be shown.
If you asked the director any of these questions they would probably be dissapointed and try to correct your perspective on the movie.

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>>82675253

>it's an emotional rollercoaster

>>82676257
Are you actually proud of being too stupid to analyze my post?

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>movies are just entertainment bro

>>82676244
The only things on that list I hate are
>People who say ''Film is supposed to be entertainment!''
>People who have seen 1 film made before the 50s and think they have taste
>People who like Wes Anderson and think they somehow have taste

What's wrong with Stanley Kubrick? What's wrong with 2001?

>>82676173
Thinking "hard" is just a dumb meme phrase. I'm talking about people who think it's a virtue to be unable to analyze and deconstruct a movie after watching it

>>82676244
What's wrong with Kubrick?

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>>82676368

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People who think they are superior because they enjoy long, slow, old and foreign """films""" over commercial and entertaining movies.

>>82675108
Pleb:

>"Nolan is the best director alive"
>"Kill Bill is the best two-parts ever made"
>"There's no better sequel than Dark Knight"
>Thinking that movies before 1990 are old
>"It's 21st century, why should I watch a black and white film"
>"Sixth sense is the best plot twist"
>"Fight Club is the reflect of modern society"
>"Arrival/Interstellar is the modern version of 2001, wich, by the way, is completly boring because of the slowness"
>"How can you have a film without a plot?"
>"Movie pacing is the ultimate neccesary thing for a film to be good"

>It's the Empire Strikes Back of (x) franchise

>>82676212
You just made my point.
>Sicario is about morals and GREY area between right a wrong
>Eraserhead is about fatherhood
It's the purposeful ambiguity that's hacky. He's too scared to have an opinion of his own and hides behind vagueness.

What specifically about morals was Villeneau trying to say? Other than morals could be grey. If that's it, then it's quite sophomoric don't you think?

>>82676568
tl;dr

>>82676546
This desu
>>82676568
Admittedly... Kill Bill is pretty dang good

>>82676372
But aren't they?

>>82676568
>"Nolan is the best director alive"

But he is.

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>>82675108
>HAHAH KINO XXDDD

>more locations = world building

>>82676224
That's not what overrated means. It means a movie gets more credit or applause than it deserves. It's like when a movie is shit but everyone is screaming their heads off about how good it is. It's not a buzzword.

>>82676630
Dude, I'm a huge pleb, and Nolan is fucking not that best director alive.

>>82676568
Tell me a film that doesn't have a plot which is actually good, not contrarian 2deep4u fedora "good"

>>82676670

And that's why you're a huge pleb.

>I watch black and white films

>>82676698
So wait, one minute on this board, you're a pleb for liking Nolan, and then when you don't like him, you're also a pleb.

>>82676669
>a lot of people liking the film is a valid criticism for why they shouldn't like it
Is chocolate ice cream overrated too? A lot of people like that.

>>82676630
So Scorsese, Fincher, von Trier, González Iñárritu, Woody Allen dead? [Also, maybe Tarantino, Soderbergh, Zemeckis, Polansky and Lynch could be better]

>>82676690
recent malick

>Get Out is a race baiting piece of shit and not a good movie at all

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>>82675108
>Oh man the new marvel movie is kino

>>82676571
Life is vague and ambiguous, trying to make it black and white just creates contradictions

>>82676571
But that's clearly not "oh so randumb" modern art crap which you implied earlier.

And I think it would be pretentious of him to make a clear claim in Sicario of how should that subject be handled in real life.
No Country for Old Men has a lot of moral ambiguity too besides the theme of nihilism, would you say that's also "hacky" then?

And it isn't like Villeneuve's films are totally opinionless narratives, Arrival has a lot of clear claims about life/death and Polytechnique has a lot of clear claims about school shooters.

>>82676690
Taxi Driver, Stalker, Eyes Wide Shut, Goodfellas, Melancholia [that could be debated], Once Upon a time in America

>Zack Snyder is a good director
>BvS was good
>Kino

>>82676690
Fury Road, Sicario, The Revenant, Kooyanisqatsi

>"critiscm" is nothing but a series of "Why didn't [character] just do X instead of Y?" bullshit nitpicks

>>82676546
have you seen any of those """""""slow""""""" films though...?

>people who only watch capeshit and think their opinion matters

>>82676737

All of Sorsese's movies are 30 minutes too long.
Von Trier is crap.
Woody Allen is even more crap.
Tarantino is too inconsistent.
Lynch is literally DUDE RANDOM AND SURREAL SHIT: The Director

The others are good, but just not on the level of Nolan.

>>82676728
The problem isn't that they watch black and white movies, but that they feel it makes them unique for doing so.

Well, to be fair, I've actually met some people who refuse to watch movies that are in black and white.

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>>82676850
Fixed that misleading photo for you

>>82676853
>people who only watch capeshit and think their opinion matters

Who are you referring to here? Literally no one watches only "capeshit". Also, anyone using the word "capeshit" can never be taken seriously in my opinion.

>>82676850
yep. sums up all the reddit tourists crying about "contrarians"

>>82676794
Wow. You're pathetic. Sad!

>>82676735
Not him, but yes actually. People who like chocolate ice cream have shit taste and probably hold other bad opinions as well.

>>82676857
And what's the level of Nolan? Obvious and not important plot twistst? Impressing 13 year olds? I guess then M Night Shyamalan is in the Nolan level

>>82676808
Don't feel like arguing with you any more. You're too stupid.

>>82676899
correction: people who watch any capeshit, at all. "capeshit" refers to superhero movies, and "people" refers to manchildren whose opinions I don't give a shit about.

>it's a good movie, just not a good [franchise] movie

>Person gives valid criticism of slow or badly paced movie
>"Not enough explosions for you?"

>>82676244
>>People who say ''Film is supposed to be entertainment!''
write a textbook if you want to be boring

>it's darker

>>82676973

>wah wah stop enjoying these movies I'm too cool for!

>>82675404
>not reading the full credits and remembering the crew

pleb confirmed

>>82675108
>it's kino

>>82676956
>"you're stupid" argument

okay sure thing buddy

>>82676907
lel true >>82676897

>>82676956
I'm not that guy, but you're kind of pathetic and have an overinflated ego.

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>the movie is self aware
>it knows just when to take itself seriously
>it's bad, but it's supposed to be bad
>it doesn't know what kind of movie it's trying to be
>...but ultimately it falls flat

>>82677132
>It's supposed to be bad
Who says that?

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>>82676244
>bait
>Wes Anderson makes great movies man
>Nothing wrong with Tarantino and Kubrick, the rest idk and who cares
>People who say comfy/based

they should stick to reddit or 9gag

>>82677132

>But ultimately falls flat

Triggered

>>82677186

Good post until you mentioned reddit and 9gag.

>>82677262
>comfy
>based
>reddit
>9gag

They all fall under the same category

>>82677036
nah not judging and I'm happy you have found movies you can enjoy. I'm just saying you probably have low standards because you haven't given other good movies a chance. Not every highbrow movie is slow or foreign, lots of great american ones.

>>82677086
>>82677121
Fine. Denis asks questions but provides no answers. Prisoners is a good example of him not being a tryhard.

I would say Sicario is him being more experimental. Maybe he's not a hack, but Sicario sure made him seem like one. I haven't seen Arrival.

>>82676244
>people who makes lists about movies

>>82677106
I've been on this board for 4 years now. I have yet to see a board where anons actually discuss a comic movie without throwing in the patrician and pleb arguments in.

>>82677524

I guess you came in just too late to experience the board before it learned those words then. No one ever talked about reddit and threw around a certain word starting with c either. It sure was a better time.

I think all you anons don't have a concept anymore on what constitutes pleb anymore. See, I've been to film classes, and hearing what supposed "cinephiles" have to say about movies now in 2017. It's way worse than what any of you have said so far. Many of them praise Anderson and all that shit, but a lot of them refuse to watch black and white movies and ANY foreign movies. There's one guy I knew, who refuses to watch anything made past 1990. Not even shitting you

>>82677524
4 years and you still haven't grown out of capeshit... damn

>>82677725
Oops, when I say made past 1990, I mean refuses to watch any movies made before 1990

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>not liking the films of wes anderson

>>82677735
But thing is, I'm not even into capeshit. In don't like most super hero movies. However, whenever they're brought, I never see an actual discussion on them. Only buzzwords. Just look at this fucking thread.

>>82677725
>There's one guy I knew, who refuses to watch anything made past 1990.
That would be my brother probably.
Anything older than two years from the current moment is literally unwatchable for him and he doesn't watch it or even wants to give it a try.

>>82677524
>admiting to being cancer

>>82677396
>Denis asks questions but provides no answers

I can only see that in Sicario, and I would say he provides with answers of both sides, but it's up to the viewer to choose which answer is the "right" answer, not questions.

Polytechnique, Incendies, Enemy, Arrival all have strong claims, not ambiguous questions as the main subject.

>>82677817
Thanks for proving my point.

>>82677735
To be fair he joined /tv/ when the board was being turned into a mainstream pleb friendly area(assuming 4 years is right away in 2013)
although there were still patricians here for most of that year fighting back

>>82677773

Moonrise Kingdom, Fantastic Mr. Fox and The Grand Budapest Hotel are his only good movies tbqh. In fact, he's pretty much improved with every single movie. Bottle Rocket was pure crap.

>>82676014
Pleb

>>82676794
Most conservicucks don't believe in moral relativism. Everything has to be black and white so their low IQ brain can compartmentalize everything into neat little boxes.

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>>82677681
I miss the old times

>>82676057
>villeneue
>ooooh interleckchewal
KYS

>>82677958

I never got this meme.

You guys think these arguments at ALL constitutes what a pleb is anymore. Here's a conversation I had with some in my film class awhile back.

Me: So what movies do you like?
Fag: I really like Guardians of the Galaxy and I just saw the absolutely brilliant Moonrise Kingdom. I love Wes Anderson's direction he is so original.
Me: Oh yeah? Well, have you heard of the movie Life is Beautiful? Gone with the Wind?
Fag: Uh no.
Me: Have you ever seen 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea?
Fag: Nah, I refuse to watch movies made before the 1990's.
Me: You're shitting me, right?

LIKING PLEB SHIT IS NOW ABOVE MODERN "CINEPHILES"

WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED, /TV?!

>>82677893
>conservicucks

This is the most cringy word I've seen in a while.

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> [x] is the sleeper hit of the year

>>82678048
>Me: Oh yeah? Well, have you heard of the movie Life is Beautiful? Gone with the Wind?
>Fag: Uh no.

Well, he's not missing much.

Also, this never happened.

>kino

>star wars is a space opera
what the fuck do people mean by this?

>>82678080
It actually did happen. I really wish I recorded the conversation.

>>82675108
>my pit bull wouldn't hurt a fly!

>Reviewer vents the word "LITERALLY!" over and over again as if to make themselves sound smarter

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>>82678048
>getting this upset over how another person chooses to spend their free time

and fucking Gone with the Wind? Get out of here

>>82675844
A man changing a light bulb

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>>82675108
I love how pseudo intelligent film buffs that go on /lgb/ try to talk down to "plebs", but then create lists like these.

>>82675873
What makes a great film then? What would you consider positive aspects of a film?

>>82678454
>you'll never own the cane from citizen kane
feels bad man

>>82676244
When irony is mixed with serieus discussion you're disgrace

>>82678454

>Citizen Kane second

It's supposed to be first, you morons.

>>82678341
2 questions:

Where do we draw the line in judging people's tastes and just letting them enjoy what they enjoy?

Also, curious, what's bad about Gone with the Wind?

>>82678454
That's still 100x better than imdb or the leddit list.

>>82678930

Literally 90% of the list is safe imdbcore classics. Not saying I dislike the movies or anything, but it's about as boring and predictable as a top movie list could get.

>>82678454
Almost took it seriously until star wars

>>82677831
I wish he would let cinematography enhance the story, instead of using story as an excuse to film cinematographic porn like in his recent works.

>>82677876
ebin post my dude xDDD

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>>82676669
>defending le overrated meme

Social Media was a mistake.

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>>82675404
>my gf knows a guy

Does she go with him to the said movies and stays with him to watch the credits and come late at home too?

>>82679028
>safe

I'm tired of you pseudo-intellectual retards. Generating a list of good movies isn't about finding films that no one else knows about. Stop making everything into some dick measuring contest.

>>82679172
I'm pretty sure there isn’t almost a single frame of meaningless empty pretty pictures in his films, ESPECIALLY in his recent films.

Maybe there is a few shots like that in his early work lile Maelstrom or Polytechnique, but certainly not now.
Do you really think Deakins or Bradford Young would ever allow something like that?
Feel free to post a few shots if you want

>>82675404
Sounds like a gay

>>82678048
I don't think you had this conversation. And if so, you both sound like wet chinned spastics.

>>82679318

He sure hit a nerve with that one.

Why do plebs even come here? Go to imdb or /b/ wtf

more /a/ than /tv/ but
>"all anime is shit except for the ones I like"
>"the anime I like is actually a self-aware parody of anime tropes, it's not really committing them so it's okay for me to like them"
>"parody" means doing the exact same thing as every single other show, except this one is more popular/is on netflix
>Jojo's, One Punch Man, etc

>>82675108
Anything capeshit related

>>82675253
literally was about to post this

>>82675390
>Breaking bad was a good show
>Lost is was my favorite
>I love Mad Men

>>82676014
>eraserhead
>no country for old men
>man bites dog
edgy 14 year old detected. you belong in reddit, sorry.

>>82683989
Mad Men is Reddit, but Lost is pure kino.

I have avoided Breaking Bad for years fearing it would be too reddit, but I watched it recently and think it's legit good.

>>82676244
This would be spot on if he didn't hate Kubrick so much.

>>82684094
You couldn't be more ledditcore if you tried.

>Lost is my favorite show

Oh wait, that's the only acceptable favorite show.

>>82684154
Lost is /tv/core, fuck off lad

>>82684094
>Lost is pure kino

Damn this guy is pleb incarnate. Lost was written on a whim by a group of normie metrosexuals who frequent reddit. It's pleb fuel X10,000

It was created using focus groups as the driving force

My favorite movie is every Tarantino movie.

>>82676244
Excellent list

>David Lynch is the best director

>>82684290

Still a hundred times better than all the nothing happens shows on tv today.

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>>82684290
delet this

>>82678454
Truman Show was lit

>seriously arguing over this in a medium as plebian as fucking films

you guys are hysterical

>>82678019
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