>waah I'm forced to buy oranges and act like a well mannered

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>>82674908
>waaaaah someone made a tv show with views other than my nazikuk bullshit

KYS
before you have to go back to jail and suck more cock little prag

/pol/ is not welcome here

>>82674941
>>82675039
not /pol/ but the pilot episode was so heavy-handed and ridiculous it actually made me cringe many times. Maybe it's the book's fault, I don't know. I'm disappointed nonetheless.

fuck off /pol/

>>82674908
>2017
>Watching this

Jesus fellas.

Kill yourself /pol/tard

>>82674908

And forced to carry babies to term, retard.

This show is "flies to shit" for Reddit I see.

>>82674941
o-okay

>>82674908

did they scale it down? the book had some kinky shit in it.

White women are the weakest demographic on Earth

>>82675262
>>82675244
>>82675039

This board needs ID's.

Nobody cares about your tears.

>>82675318
Oh the horror!

>>82674941
>>82675039
>>82675244
>>82675262
Whine more you fucking pussy redditors.

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>>82674908
>all this /pol/ bogeyman in this thread
Not everyone with a critical opinion on something that you like is not from /pol/....

>>82676472
But this isnt a critical opinion of the show
Its just a little r red pill faggot shitposting

PAYING THE COAL TOLL

THE SERIES

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>I've just read an incredible article where "The Handmaid's Tale", a sub-par piece of science-fi trash, is defended by its author. The author, who rightly should be apologizing for her execrable prose, not only defends it but calls it "timely". The book has been made in to some sort of cable mini-series. I'm Canadian, so had to suffer through this book as a young person. It's one of those cheap, dystopian tracts. The difference with this one is it has a deeply paranoid feminist look into the future. The story is as impossible as most of these " frightening looks into the future". But to call it timely, when the possibility of this fiction ever becoming fact even more of a joke, is just a cynical cash-grab.

>>82677123
it's timely because we are facing the possibility of sharia taking over the west.

>dude a right-wing christian theocracy is right around the corner!
>especially with such a deeply religious man as drumpf in charge!
>i mean i know that the christian right as been failing to meet any of their goals for the last 40 years, but any day now the evil white christian men will take over!

Honestly who unironically believes this shit anymore?

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>>82674908
>Lewl nothing wrong with being denied your liberty and treated like a serf guize!

>>82676472
It's not critical opinion, it's alt rightist butthurt. Criticising the acting, pointing out plotholes or trashing the premise, these would be /tv/ critical opinion. 'Wimmin shud know their place!!!1' is just /pol/ bitching.

is this show good?

>>82674941
>Nazikuk
its like you want to broadcast your retardation to the world

>>82675928
It's not a regular abortion argument. I think they are literally forced to produce as many offspring for the 'wives' as possible in the society.

>>82677123
>Rips pretty much entirely off an actual event
>IT COULD NEVAR HAPPEN GUIZE GET REEL

No wonder he found reading to be suffering at a kid.

>>82675151
>fundamental terrorists take over country
>force fertile women into sex slavery
>"waah story is heavy handed"

why would someone watch a show about a woman, let alone a show with a title that already tells you how boring its going to be.

I'm enjoying it. Dude's head getting popped by the S Class was great.

>>82677690
this

the author might not have had this in mind, but when i watch this show i see what iran became during the revolution

>>82675928
Their society is suffering from widespread infertility, the handmaids are some of the very rare women who can carry to term, so they're kept basically as indentured wombs to spit out babies for the ruling class.

They're repeatedly knocked up by men they have a master/servant relationship with and carry children they'll never get to keep.

It's pretty shitty.

>>82678050
>actual event

????

>>82677792

Considering the book was written a few years after the Islamic Revolution in Iran and right around the time the religious right in the USA was starting to actually have political influence I'd say it was plenty plausible for its time.

I like this show so much more since the aut-right is so triggered by it. I hope they'll go more into the go-political aspects though. The premise is a bit silly but they have a lot of potential to do some cool worldbuilding.

>>82676645
>>82677913
Why are you even on this site? Did you come here from reddit for GoT cancer generals? If so, stay in your containment thread. No one cares about how much your pussy hurts.

>>82678167

>for its time

That's the key phrase here. at this point in 2017 though it's laughable.

>>82677913

>alt rightist

Cringe

>>82678267

Considering Mike Pence probably masturbates furiously to the idea of living in Gilead it might not be that laughable.

>>82678050
What the fuck are you talking about you stupid nigger?

>>82678154
>>82678345
Iran

>>82678264
>REEEE GET OUT OF MY SAFESPACE

kys

>>82678167
Yeah, because back when America was christfag central women were all rounded up and forced into sex slavery.

>this is what redditors actually believe

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>>82678334
lol!!! I know...totally!

>>82678372
The CIA aren't allowed within U.S borders, so no. There's no fertility plague, so yet again, no.

>>82678409
You single handedly bring down the quality of this board in a way that blacked posters could only dream of.

>>82678372
What do muslims have to do with a bunch of christians?

>>82678267
>what is sharia?
you don't have to take every last detail literally (fundamentalist uprising in the US following an infertility plague) but the idea of a theocracy being founded in the west is a possibility

Is this piece of shit show any good??

>>82674908
go fuck yourself and die asshole

>>82678464
Am I supposed to be surprised you prefer to stare at some nigger's cock than encounter people who disagree with your niche politics?

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>>82678455
>The CIA aren't allowed within U.S borders

>He actually thinks the CIA abides by that rule

>>82678477

The story is what it is but the acting and cinematography are both good. The flashbacks are probably the best parts of the show (so far)

>>82678473
leftists in the 21st century tend to behave like theocrats except their deity is multiculturalism

>>82678517
I don't give a fuck about politics but you fucking piss and moan about /pol/ and "muh alt right" more than you provide any actual fucking film discussion. So kindly throw yourself off of a fucking building, you useless faggot.

>>82678647
>/pol/lack starts a thread bitching about how Handmaid triggered him
>BUT NO THE PROBLEM IS THE ONES WHO DISAGREE WITH HIM

Genuinely, truely, jump under a moving vehicle please. Board will improve marginally.

>premise is far fetched
>must automatically mean it's shit

There's far more implausible dystopian stuff out there than this but that won't stop me from enjoying it.

>>82678722
What does the OP have to do with /pol/ at all, you fucking mongoloid? What is wrong with you?

>lol, christians are basically the same as muslims

I liked watching the idiots get BTFO during their "protest" though. Funny how they tried to make the protest look as peaceful as possible to make the "ebil religious crazies" look even more evil. It's not like the far left, and many non lefties for that matter, wouldn't be overly violent if anything like that actually ever happened. No, apparently everyone is really docile and willing to be taken over by a small group of people with guns.

>>82678755
It's more about how people compare it to reality, as if anything happening in the show is in anyway related to reality.

>>82678755
True, plebs are easily entertained.

>>82675039
>>82675244
/pol/ runs this board you fucking nerds

>>82675039
/pol/ is half of 4chan now. Perhaps some other website would suit your triggering tastes better. You know which ones.

>>82678167
It was never plausible

Western women have life so good they need to write fiction where they are oppressed

>>82678782
>>lol, christians are basically the same as muslims

That's the whole point of the book you fucking retard. Countries with Fundamentalist Islam, Christianity, or Jewish governments would all be theocratic authoritarian shitholes.

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>>82674908
So does this show get any better at all? I've watched the pilot episode so far and there's hardly anything to it that's captivating. Most of my interest lies in how the rest of the world's nations are faring, but based on the title I doubt it goes that far.

>America somehow becomes a theocracy within a span of 5 years
>Shifts its entire economy to match this
>Canada is just fine??
>Instagram filter over every shot

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>>82678334
yes, Mike Pence is the biggest threat to western women in 2017

>>82679021
That explains why women are all forced into slavery in Vatican City. Really makes me think.

>>82677792
I don't even see the strawman. The "worse" that would happen under such a government would be abolition of abortion and various restrictions on divorce.
Is this the ebin maymay according to which women were slaves from beginning of time until 1965?

>>82679021
>you fucking retard
Hence why I brought it up, you fucking anon. Why so angry? Did mommy not give you enough hugs? No father in the picture? Or was he just abusive?

>all be theocratic authoritarian shitholes
Except, with islam, you get women beatings and public torture for stepping out of line. Pretending like that would happen with modern Christianity or Judaism is laughable. Both those religions have changed over time to suit the ever increasing power/role of women far better that Islam has. Pretending anything to the contrary is pure delusion.

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What did she mean by this?

>ctrl+f pol
>19 matches

Jesus christ /tv/, grow the fuck up.

>>82678470
Ferodas can't into spirituality since they have no souls (they admit it themselves). So in their eyes Christianity and Islam are subsumed under "religion" with a few superficial differences in calendar or rites.

>>82679095
The book was written by some Canadian feminist hack in the 80's. It's hardly fine literature.

>>82679235
Religions change. Salafism wasn't really a thing in the Islamic world until the CIA started pushing it during the 70's.

>>82679322
So it's safe to say I'm not missing anything substantial and won't bother with watching further

>>82679159

Yes because Roman Catholicism is what first springs to mind when people think about batshit crazy Christian Fundamentalists.

i watched this show and was like, this is supposed to be a dystopia?

women can't own property or money, can't hold jobs, and many are forced to become servants or sex slaves?

i would sign up for that society in like 2 seconds and i think most of us would as well. giving women rights has ruined western society.

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Whoa... Really made me think

I haven't seen it, and I don't think the premise is all that dumb (maybe the theocratic government portion of it) but in a world with a massive infertility plague, fertile women probably would be enslaved for the "good of the species."
But that's not my problem with this show. My problem is the heralding of it as "timely" and the oft-spouted rhetoric of muh womyns oppression that goes along with it. As if women in the West aren't better off at this very moment than at any other time in history ever. I'm not one of those /pol/lock nu4chan retards who sucks Trump's Zionist cock, or believes all muh women belong in the kitchen -- I am really just sick and tired of people bitching all of the time. All these fucking retards (leftists and rightists - all the overly political) clamouring about as if the apocalypse is upon us need to put themselves in the shoes of a medieval peasant for just a moment. Just be thankful for what you have.

>>82679329
Islamic extremism has always been a thing.

>>82676287

calling anti-pol people redditors when 90% of /pol/ comes from r/thedonald.

that's a funny joke.

>>82679372

>I'm so bad at talking to girls I'd literally have to enslave them so they'd fuck me.

Good thing you'll never pass your worthless genes to anything but an old sock atleast.

>>82678345
>>82678470

The book was written around the time of the Iranian Revolution.

The religions are interchangeable, that's part of what we call a

m e t a p h o r

>>82679449
>The religions are interchangeable
The absolute state of reddit.

>>82679329
First of all, Salafism emerged in the Middle-East in the late 1800s, and solidified as an ultra-conservative movement in the 1920s. Secondly, if you're going to pretend like there was no such thing as Sharia or stonings or jihad before the advent of Saudi Arabia and Western meddling, you have to be either retarded or an obscurantist/apologist for Islam

>>82679447
>Goldstein

I hate /pol/ so much for what they've done to me

>>82679498
>Salafism emerged in the Middle-East in the late 1800s
Emerged as in "being by far the most important force in Arabia" yes, but even restricting to wahhabism, al-Wahhab was from the 18th century.

>>82679491
>Greentexting something doesn't make it wrong.

>>82679498

People were mailing bombs to abortion doctors in the 90's. It may not be as widespread but christian extremism is very much a thing.

>>82674908
Not a lot of readers on /tv/?

>>82679448

newsflash: being a whiteknight faggot on the internet isn't going to get women to want to fuck you either

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>>82679449
>the religions are interchangeable
Is this what retards actually believe? That Christianity is as totalitarian and awful as Islam?

>>82678844
the author took direct inspiration from the Islamic Revolution of 1979 so yeah it is related to reality. she envisioned how it would go down in the US and since the Christian right was on the upswing they became the theocratic element.

>>82679447

they lay it on a little thick with the forced diversity.

you want a token nigger for the show? either make the best friend a nigger or the husband a nigger. no need to make both of them niggers.

>>82679584
Anon gets a slut pregnant. Drops bomb at clinic. Many such cases.

Seriously, this stuff is so utterly irrelevant that a single serial killer has killed more people than that.
It requires a lot of bad faith not to see how people seeing abortion as murder are different from the mullahs.

>>82679329
>be a male growing up in a heavily religious culture in a fucking baren desert region
>very strict way of life because resources aren't plentiful
>women tend to full in line because males are naturally more powerful
>things never change as opposed to other places in the world where life isn't as harsh
>constantly get BTFO

Ya, but it's tottaly the CIA/west's fault.

>>82679584
>it may not be as widespread
And that's the key point. You don't have political parties of extremist Christians winning seats in government in the West on a platform to eradicate Jews, or crush infidels, but in virtually every election in the Middle-East for the past 50 years, Islamist parties which promise those things win 20-60% of seats in virtually every Muslim country.
There is a serious, serious difference between modern Christian extremism, which is incredibly fringe, and Islamic extremism which, by conservative estimates, has about 330 million believers.

>>82679235
>Pretending like that would happen with modern Christianity or Judaism is laughable
It absolutely would, stop talking about things you don't understand. Jewish law is every bit as draconian as Islamic law, in fact it's probably worse in certain areas. Women don't really have any rights in classical Christianity either

>>82679636
>the Christian right was on the upswing they became the theocratic element.

Leftisits do realize the christian right are the kabuki theater of politics? they've never accomplished anything and if they have, it's always been a Pyrrhic victory

fuck off /pol/

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>>82679632
>That Christianity is as totalitarian and awful as Islam?
How can you be this retarded? Christianity was literally the same as for practically a thousand+ years years. Granted most of this time was in Europe, not burgerstan, so it would make sense why burgers wouldn't know about it. It is literally the same shit-for-brains religion spawned off Judaism.

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>>82679741
>Islamic extremism which, by conservative estimates, has about 330 million believers

>>82679632
>That Christianity is as totalitarian and awful as Islam?
>how to spot an uncultured, ignorant swine

>>82678145
>tfw this is my fetish

>>82679584
>extremist over pro life issue
vs
>extremist over women showing a bit of skin

Your right, totally the same.

>>82679757
thanks for the You but i don't know why you replied to my comment. you're speaking about leftists and i was talking about the actual author of the book and where her ideas came from

>>82679632
How could Islam possibly be inherently totalitarian when the interpretation of the law rests on the consensus of the community? This literally makes no fucking sense at all.

Compared to say, Catholicism where the interpretation of the law rests entirely with the Papacy. Fuck off shitposter

>>82679741
And then you go back a couple hundred years and same was happening in Europe with Christianity. really made me thingk
Both are trash religions for trash people.

>>82679756
>Women don't really have any rights in classical Christianity either
Has to be bait. First of all, there is no Christian law, so that's a bit moot. Taking laws in Christian countries, I don't see how they don't have any right. Do you think that in Florence, Constantinople or Venice or in Champagne women didn't "really have any right"?

>>82679636
I'm sorry, but did females just stop giving birth during this revolution?

The "inspiration" is bs because she requires this magical element to occur for her fantastical situation to occur in the US. That is not at all tied to reality.

>>82679757
> they've never accomplished anything and if they have, it's always been a Pyrrhic victory
America was founded by enlightened Deist theocrats. Without the concept of natural, god-given rights, the Constitution and Bill of Rights would have a much less profound impact on the legal, societal and economic system of the United States.

>>82679928
>Without the concept of natural, god-given rights, the Constitution and Bill of Rights would have a much less profound impact on the legal, societal and economic system of the United States.

There's a lot of assumptions in what you are saying

>>82679899
>Do you think that in Florence, Constantinople or Venice or in Champagne women didn't "really have any right"?
Roman law - the cornerstone of the legal systems in the time periods and areas mentioned - did not provide many rights for women, correct.

>>82679899
>there is no Christian law
lmao

regarding the rest of your stupid bullshit, gender egalitarianism is a modern construction. there is no pre-modern society or religion that would have had any concept of women being equal to men. islam actually affords women more rights in terms of property, inheritance, divorce etc... than most states did for over a millenia

>>82679874
>>How could Islam possibly be inherently totalitarian when the interpretation of the law rests on the consensus of the community? This literally makes no fucking sense at all.
Not even post modernists couldn't muster the "creative interpretation" necessary to not make the haddiths into the worst totalitarian shithole.

>>82679917
>being so autistic you can't grasp the idea of speculative fiction as a means of discussing current events and cultural trends

>>82679981
you're conflating the totalitarian states with a totalitarian religion, because you are an illiterate monkey. out of the three abrahamic religions, Islam is the least totalitarian in its structure. same with the various medieval caliphates as well, since the caliph generally had to yield to the ulama in matters of law, and most provinces had a large degree of autonomy

>>82679969
The assumptions being that certain rights are inalienable and endowed upon the people by their creator. This approach obviously safeguards important rights and liberties more effectively than Britshit parliamentary sovereignity (tyranny of the plebs) or any political system not based on constitutionalist Republicanism.

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>>82679632

>Christianity is a religion of peace!

>>82679979
>>there is no Christian law
>lmao
There isn't though. You have to be very dense to not see it. Law does not justify and as such has become irrelevant. This is basic literally theology 101.

>>82678329
>cringe
reddit

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>>82674908
>All these liberals ITT that don't realize their liberalism is just a strand of Christianity

>>82680063
canon law in the roman ecclesiastical courts dominated europe for over 1000 years. you are straight shitposting at this point since it is obvious you have no idea what the fuck you're talking about

>>82679892
>judge something based on what it was 200 years ago

Either way, your off on the time. Christianity hasn't been that extreme for awhile; more like 400 years ago, when the rich and powerful could no longer get away with "Just" wars in the name of God.

>religions for trash people
Not fighting you there, but Islam is rooted so strongly in the MIddle East because of how harsh life is there. Christianity is all but useless in the West because life is easy and everything is handed to the people more or less. The extremist elements that prevade Islam are there and will always be there in those areas of the world because it is a natural coping mechanism when people experience such shitty lives.

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>>82678167
Ah yes, the evil Iranian theocracy. The only practical restriction is that women have to wear a scarf. Meanwhile in Saudi Arabia women are liberated from voting, travelling by themselves, and driving cars.

>>82680054
>This approach obviously safeguards important rights and liberties more effectively than Britshit parliamentary

not really/ it depends on the rights

>>82679790
> Christianity was literally the same as for practically a thousand+ years years

Was is a keyword here buddy, if you think modern Christianity and modern Islam are the same you need to rethink a lot of things

I would've liked it if it wasn't for the shitty camera work. It gets tiring seeing close ups of the main actress that many times while trying to convey her suffering

>>82680110
>Islam is rooted so strongly in the MIddle East because of how harsh life is there
ah yes that is why the vast majority of the world's muslims do not live in the middle east

>>82680052
First of all, there is no doctrine of the state in Christianity so I don't see the comparison, as instance many Christian anarchists.
But even then, second the laws of Muhammad are often of what would pass as civil and criminal law here, so indeed it is a foundation of the state, and these law will never be "interpreted" any other way than as a complete totalitarian shithole.

>>82679790
>Christianity was literally the same as for practically a thousand+ years years

Not it wasn't. Different religions are different. Read a book.

>>82679756
>Jewish law is every bit as draconian as Islamic law, in fact it's probably worse in certain areas
Name some pls.

>classical Christianity
That's just it though. "Classical" has no footing in the modern world and would never rise to power like this fiction demonstrates. It's complete fantasy.

>>82674941
Found the gay white male.

>>82679790
Why are you comparing ancient christianity to modern islam?

>>82679979
>is a modern construction
What's your point though? This fanatsy of a show takes place in a modern timeline. So why bring up what these religions and people were like hundreds of years ago?

It's sad seeing most of the posts not discussing the show.

>>82680311
Probably nobody here has seeing it,me neither

>>82680185
>Name some pls.
read the books of moses you fucking moiron. judaism mandates stoning for homosexuality, bestiality, idolatry, violating the sabbath, witchcraft, insutling your parents etc...

it mandates death for incest, adultery, blasphemy, and apostasy among other things. oh and by the way the prescribed manner of execution for incest is to pour molten lead down someone's throat

>>82680114
>b-but a priest has some vague overseer power so it's über evil
Of all reasons to dislike this cucked regime, they have to pick the fact that's it's a "theocracy".

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>>82680185
>"Classical" has no footing in the modern world and would never rise to power like this
According to what? Your ass?

http://www.hoover.org/research/myth-progress

>hurr torture has no footing in the modern world and would never be reinstated ever again :^)

>>82678167
>right around the time the religious right in the USA was starting to actually have political influence

lol

>>82680017
>current events and cultural trends
What the fuck in this fictional tv show relates to current events or cultural trends, besides the overly feminist/SJW underlying themes? It goes far and beyond anything reasonable, and doesn't even try to place a human face on the antagonists. They are simply evil, a representation of the "right" which the crazy "left" seems to think encapsulates anyone who disagrees with their narrative. It's disgusting in how biased it is towards one narrative.

>>82680176
Or it could be a functional totalitarian state like it was in the past. Good job exposing your western brainwashing that has convinced you that liberal capitalist democracy is the only way to organize a state.

Not like your argument makes any fucking sense anyways. Because Islam has laws the religion is necessarily totalitarian? Do you think about these things before you post them?

>>82680464
It reads as gamergate coverage.
Remember when /v/edditors were organizing nilotic rites where they would rape and sacrifice proud gamergirlz journalists?

>>82680109
>man and woman come together
>have child
>man is naturally stronger than woman and more physically capable for hard labor
>man will fight and kill to protect what is his
>woman loves man and child and will do what she can to make sure both are well

It just so happens that those laws are built around this natural human concept. Our modern take on it is biased as we no longer depend on those ideals as much as we once did. A gun can as easily protect a person from someone stronger, and hard labor is all but replaced by efficiencies in machinery. But those laws have and will continue to change over time. They no longer are so heavily influenced by religious undertones and have far surpassed the roman law of old.

>>82680531
>Because Islam has laws
Yep, laws from God are uttely pleb and fit quite nicely in a religion that calls itself submission.

>the religion is necessarily totalitarian?
No, but the particular laws professed by Muhammad (and ancient Hebrews) are. Can you seriously compare the Codex of Justinian to the laws of Muhammad in this respect? The latter make the soviet union seem libertarian.

>>82678256
Meh, I'm pretty far right, but I'm not all that triggered. More or less, I'm amused by the whole thing where we live in a country ruled by lefty ideals and until recently, lefty politics, yet this show is supposedly all "timely" and "we's oppressed" and blah, blah, blah.

Yet, when niggerboo, er... I mean Obama... Was in office, I gave two fucks. Made no difference to me, because I knew that the fools who voted for him we're ruining their own lives too. And would learn. And learn they did.now the right is back in full force. And best of all, all the out of control ass pains and crying.

Stuff like this show are just examples of lefty cucks like yourself not being able to handle not being in control. Your undying need to be right, spread boogie man driven propaganda and deny anyone else the right to think any differently than you.

I hope you enjoy your TV show. Really. I'll enjoy being a white man in Trump's America. See you in 8 years.

>>82674908
why did you watch this? what about it appealed to you?

>>82680170
And? The point is, Islam is followed by the masses in the Middle East, versus Christianity in the West which is followed by an ever increasing minority in the West. The harsh life in the majority of areas where Islam is most prevelant is key to why it remains so. Religion keeps the masses from resorting to more barbaric tendencies in areas where life is more difficult.

>>82680075
>reddit
faggot

>>82680745
>No, but the particular laws professed by Muhammad (and ancient Hebrews) are
Once again this makes absolutely no sense as Islam invests the right to interpret law with the ulama, and puts the authority of consensus over the authority of the leader. It is literally the exact opposite of totalitarianism. Can you do at least a modicum of research into the topic before you start trying to bullshit your way through an argument

>>82680405
Torture never went anywhere you fucking uneducated moron. It never went away and reemerged. And Christianity has evolved to a very different religion in modern times. It wouldn't make sense for it to devolve back to its roots just to satisfy your victim complex.

>>82675687
>anonymouse image board
>we should use ids!

Fuck off newfag and never come back

>>82679329
t. muhammed al takbir bin jihadi

>>82680423

Evangelical christfags are the GOP's most loyal voting bloc. Of course the religious right still has influence in our government, though it's much more on a state level than federal.

>>82680862
>Torture never went anywhere you fucking uneducated moron
It was abolished by pretty much every major European state in the 18th century, but whatever.

>It wouldn't make sense for it to devolve back to its roots
Once again, based on what? You haven't made a credible argument for why this is the case; you just keep repeating yourself.

>>82679567
Wahabism was spread worldwide by the Saudis when the oil money started flooding in after the embargo changed the dynamics of OPEC. it wasnt spread by the CIA, it was spread by rich Saudis

>>82680360
>mandates stoning for homosexuality, bestiality, idolatry, violating the sabbath, witchcraft, insutling your parents etc.

Those are all pretty good reasons. I'm sure the view towards homosexuality has changed in modern times, just as it has with christianity. The rest of those are very good reasons to stone people.

But you can literally nitpick from any religious texts and find archaic mandates that no longer hold any meaning in modern interpretations. It doesn't mean anybody takes them seriously.

>>82680960
>it was spread by rich Saudis

Who were backed by the CIA.

>>82674941
>alt-left pussies cry about literally everything
Well, except Islam, which that show is totally about.

>>82680972
>The rest of those are very good reasons to stone people
Witchcraft is a good reason to stone people? Violating the sabbath? Are you doing the "pretending to be retarded" thing?

>>82680972
>It doesn't mean anybody takes them seriously.
Most people don't take that shit seriously in Islam either outside of poor, uneducated people in backwater Pakistani villages and literal terrorists. Most muslims couldn't give two shits about 99% of the Sharia, especially in Turkey, Indonesia, India etc... Same thing with Hindus in the cow belt who behead women for running away, but no one really seems to give a shit about violence in Hinduism funnily enough.

>>82680972
>It doesn't mean anybody takes them seriously.

The whole point of the book was "what would the world look like if they did?"

>>82680405
>reinstated
It wouldn't be. It may be present, but "reinstated" implies some kind of powerful institution madating it's lawfulness, which is a fucking joke. That would take brainwashing on mass to convince everyone not to riot in the streets.

But say the institutions in place come down, and anarchy ensues due to catastrophic events, than the broken systems may give rise to barbaric tendencies. But that would not resemble a civil society like this show details. It would be more like an apocalyptic, where small groups try to hold power over small areas, and not a centralized force holding power over large area.

>>82680859
The law is still there, and will never be "interpreted" in a non authoritarian way. Besides, the authority of consensus/leader is a technical question of constitutional law and has nothing to do with being totalitarian or not.

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>>82680972
>The rest of those are very good reasons to stone people.
Is this some /pol/ nonsense about degeneracy?

>>82681047
The CIA has done alot of damage but this is just tinfoil tier nonsense. When the Saudis began funding Whabist mosques around the world the CIA was still in bed with Iran and the Shah, by the time the US really jumped on the Saudi bandwagon it was already the early 1980s

>>82680551
This.

It feels like every crazy lefties fantasy come true. Not that they want this too become reality, but they want to believe the people who disagree with them are truely like this. It's self-gratification for the brainwashed left.

>>82681137
How the fuck can a tradition which vests authority in the Muslim community be totalitarian? You don't have any idea what you're talking about man, and you're making it more apparent with every post. Honestly if you're actually interested in the topic take a class or buy some books on the subject so you can argue an informed opinion instead of this stupid bullshit

>>82680862
>you fucking _______
Why do autists always feel the need to end sentences this way when they feel angry towards something?

>>82681137
specifically which part of islamic law is totalitarian?

>>82674908
>This is literally the premise of The handmaid's tale

The book was basically "V for Vendetta" without kung fu masked man. Same government trampling everyones rights and this is just from a womans perspective.

In V For vendetta women out after curfew could be raped to death by a pack of policemen. The handmaid's tale is far more gentle.

>>82681169
Islam apologists really have the worst conspiracy theories. The CIA has been entirely incompetent in the Middle East for decades.

>vests authority in the Muslim community be totalitarian?
Being totalitarian has nothing to do with being more or less centralized or democratic. If the muslim community decides to have anti-individualist orders (as they do, all the time) it is totalitarian. As good old Benito said of nothing outside the state, so it is in Islam, nothing beyond the ummah.

>>82681324
Meant for >>82681223

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>>82681324
>Being totalitarian has nothing to do with being more or less centralized
>Totalitarian: Relating to a system of government that is centralized and dictatorial

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>>82681324
>Being totalitarian has nothing to do with being more or less centralized or democratic
dude what

>>82681070
>Witchcraft
If it truely is witchcraft. It leaves quite a bit open for interpretation, but without further context, yes.

>violating the sabbath
If you choose to follow that religion, then why violate such an important part to it? Stoning may be a bit much, but might as well not follow said religion either if you can't adhere to such an important aspect.

>outside of poor, uneducated people in backwater Pakistani villages and literal terrorists
Why so upset about Pakistani villages? There are plenty of poor, uneducated people in all parts of the Middle East, and hence, plenty of people taking that shit seriously. Far more than there are poor white people takingn Christianity seriously or poor Jews (lol) taking Judaism seriously.

>>82681107
And the whole point to most of this arguement was it's all bs because it never would.

>>82681153
>Is this some /pol/ nonsense about degeneracy?
>bestiality isn't degenerate
Spotted the Furry.

>>82681383
>>82681449
If you want to make up your definitions, why not. But in the civilized world we see it as Mussolini's "All within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state."
Centralization has nothing to do with it in theory and a vague unconvincing correlation in history.

>>82681324
Ah yes all those totalitarian decentralized democracies that keep springing up everywhere

>>82678912
>nerds
>plural
It's the same butthurt gay nigger jew who's been posting that pic for months now. Probably one of the tripfags.

>>82681282
>government
Except it's not government in the handmaids tale, it's some cultish religious group. They make a point of saying it isn't the military or government. That just adds to the bs though, as there is no way a group would ever surpass the military.

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>>82681500
>If you want to make up your definitions
>Centralization has nothing to do with it
Who is the one making up definitions again?

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>>82681480
>If it truely is witchcraft.
has /pol/ gone too far?

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>>82681324
>Being totalitarian has nothing to do with being more or less centralized or democratic.

>>82679790
It's really simple Islam is simply 500 years younger than Christianity

>>82681500
>Centralization has nothing to do with it in theory
???? what the fuck

is this the first time you've ever argued yourself so far into a hole that you start coming out the other end? just pretend to be trolling and go away please

>>82681510
Many tribes of semi-primitive people had relatively democratic and decentralized administrations, and they virtually no place to an individual, up to not recognizing property.
Besides, the argument was about the essential relationship, so your post is not an argument.

>>82681590
Use authoritarian if you prefer, though the definition you bring up is far too restricted.
Wikipedia has "Totalitarianism is a political system in which the state recognizes no limits to its authority and strives to regulate every aspect of public and private life wherever feasible."
Reference to centralization is irrelevant here.

I am personally against slavery.

>>82681584

What? The whole premise is that a bunch of crazy religious fundamentalists blow up congress, blame it on terrorists, take over the government, and impose martial law.

islam is faggots. this show is for beta cucks.

>>82681584
>there is no way a group would ever surpass the military.

It's happened repeatedly throughout history. Probably the most recent western example would be the SS growing from street enforcers for a niche political party to a professional military force to rival the Wehrmacht. It's entirely possible the SS could have eclipsed or replaced the Heer following a Nazi victory, they were certainly being diverted the best recruits and equipment late in the war.

>>82678145
Y-yeah having sex on a regular basis is terrible guys. I-I hate it so much haha

>>82681717
>Use authoritarian if you prefer
If you prefer to move the goal posts you mean, considering they're not the same thing at all

>your post is not an argument
Christ dude, you're hardly even trying at this point. Just some advice, you need to have a minimum amount of knowledge on a topic to at least pretend that you know what you're talking about. You haven't even gotten to that point yet

>>82681674
The maori had no central authority and you'd be hard pressed not to call their society authoritarian to a high degree, up to not owning their land personally. The same can be said of many, many other cultures.
It's still not an argument though, and I shouldn't need to even point to counter-examples if you had any imagination and could see essential relations between concepts.

>>82680777
nice blog faggot

>>82681870
>If you prefer to move the goal posts you mean, considering they're not the same thing at all
See the definition I posted above.

>Christ dude, you're hardly even trying at this point. Just some advice, you need to have a minimum amount of knowledge on a topic to at least pretend that you know what you're talking about. You haven't even gotten to that point yet
That's right, shouldn't have to argue with people that can't distinguish a discussion about concepts and about pointing examples.

>>82681827
There is no way it would happen to the modern US military; no fucking way. No group can organize and get enough firepower to compete with them. The only way a group takes over is if they control said military or the military is out of service for some reason.

>>82681902
Each tribe had a chief. The Maori are a broader ethnic group, you might as well equate everyone in 1st century Europe as 'European' and claim they were a single but decentralised culture.

Just be a man for once in your life and admit you said something dumb without thinking it through and move on. This desperate attempt to justify the statement is just embarrassing.

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Muh glass ceiling!

I'm literally shaking now because I'm afraid that in Drumpf's nazi america THIS is going to happen to me I'm so scared I don't want to be a slave to men and have to wear what they want and have sex with them when they want that's so terrifying it's just the most terrifying thing ever.

What? You want to bring in more Muslims who will not assimilate and will spread Shariah law everywhere? OH PLEASE!!!!

>>82681968
Bullets and manpower doesn't grow on trees. The US military is powerful because it's backed by the US economy. US economy tanks, the US military goes to shit. If a group got powerful enough in the gubment to divert funds from the military to weaken it, same happens, military goes to shit.

Soldiers won't work for free.

>>82682013
>Each tribe had a chief.
And all out democracies have chiefs.
Totalitarianism refers to the status of the individual against society and his claims to independence from it. All forms of government can be totalitarian.

>>82682114
>All forms of government can be totalitarian doubling down on the stupidity i see. in for a penny in for a pound huh

>>82682114
Just stop.

>>82682102
I'm sure the author touches on this fact. The show sure doesn't. Just some rando cult group stepping in unopposed.

>>82682189
When Aristotle discussed the different types of constitution, he insisted that monarchies, aristocracies and democracies can all be tyrannical up to the destruction of freedom. Granted that the word "totalitarian" was not used at the time, but you could use it here.

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>>82682295
>but you could use it here
Actually you can't since tyranny and totalitarianism aren't the same thing; this seems to be a trend with you, just swapping words out whenever your argument gets blown out of the water

>I meant authoritarianism!
>I mean I meant tyranny!

>>82682216
>>82682295
>>82682353
I should add that speaking of totalitarian democracy is not reserved to Aristotle or his followers, the very expression totalitarian democracy is constantly used by people as different as Marxists like Carr or libertarians like de Jouvenel.

>>82678145
Sounds fine to be. Survival of the species trumps inconvenience.

>>82678409
Go suck a nigger dick

>>82682416
>Survival of the species
humans are in no way in danger of becoming extinct

>>82680114
This. Anyone who thinks the Iranian revolution wasn't a big improvement for Iran as whole is an idiot.

>>82682416
I don't see how restricting women capable of reproduction to a tiny minority of religious leaders is benefitial to the species.

It's not like they're using them as baby factories to manufacture a new generation, they're just hoarding them so they can produce one or two heirs when they want too, the rest of the time they're celibate.

Even ignoring the violation of personal liberty, it's an ultimately doomed system that only benefits the ruling caste for as long as it survives.

>>82678372
>Iran is US
>Muslims are Christians

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>>82682353
>totalitarianism just means non-democratic
>the absolute state of you

>>82682704
>Wat is speculative fiction

Does your autism get triggered by Children of Men too because Britain doesn't have city-sized deportation centres? Not everything has to be a documentary you fucking cock polisher.

>>82680114
>Iranian theocracy
Wouldn't even call it that desu. No one in Iran gives a fuck about Khamenei, he's a total joke. I guess because Islamic civil/criminal law is paramount it could constitute a theocracy, but as someone who lived there for ~20 years the idea that Iran is a particularly religious nation is just confounding

>>82682624
>violation of personal liberty
a meme. Don't care for it. People have pretty much demonstrated that they cannot nor should not handle unchecked personal freedom.

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>>82682384
OK, I guess I was the only one here that doesn't use democracy to mean liberal democracy.

>>82682842
or you're the only one who uses "totalitarian" not by the actual dictionary definition of the word, but to refer variously to authoritarianism or tyranny depending on how far up your own ass you are

>>82682760
To be fair, Children of men doesn't try to point in your face to any particular opposition.
It also came exactly at the time when all of the questionable shit that happened in Iraq started to surface.

>>82682758
this picture genuinely triggers the fuck out of me

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>>82682834
>Whenever I hear anyone arguing for slavery, I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally. - Gandhi

>>82679756
>Women were slaves during the middle ages.

I fucking hate pop history redditers

>>82679329
God I fucking hate you and your uninformed pseudo-intellectual opinions. Holy fuck you are dumb. First off, salafism originated hundreds of years ago, and was spread by the Saudi clan, who took over the majority of the Arabian peninsula in the early 20th century. And they've been the primary spreaders since then. Second, it's not like salafism is the mean IS Islam and all other sects of Islam are peaceful liberal religions. Every other sect of Islam believes in death for homosexuals, apostates, etc. Ever heard of the Iranian Islamic revolution? Do you think the CIA and Salafis were behind that?

>>82682959
Who says I haven't? Self imposition is possible.

>>82683021
>greentexting things that no one said
Who is from reddit again?

>>82682891
I'm using totalitarian as it was used by Amendola and Schmitt (and Mussolini).
I guess you could try to force some distinction, saying that totalitarians have a vision to enforce while authoritarians would merely control life in all aspects. On such a topic, this kind of arguing over words is very bizarre. Everyone uses terms like liberal with infinite semantic diversity. If it really comes down to authority on words, I trust Carr or Schmitt or others I have cited rather than the above google screencap (which doesn't give a definition compatible with the one from wikipedia, to show the clarity and rigidity of terms here). .

>>82683147
totalitarian to that anon just means non-democratic

>>82683024
>Every other sect of Islam believes in death for homosexuals
wut. don't be fucking ridiculous dude. the only thing that's clear in islam about homsexuality is that same-sex marriage is forbidden

>>82683189
>totalitarian to that anon just means non-democratic
Is this the infamous burger education or another sinister force?

>>82679874
KATHOLIKS OUT

>>82683024
Homosexuality was legal in the Ottoman Empire before it became legal in the British Empire.

But yeah Islam is so much more homophobic than Christianity.

>>82683229
The infamous samefag defending his retarded post for five hours instead

>>82683268
I'm still surprised there are people opposing democracy and totalitarianism, as if they were incompatible.

>>82674908
I was turned off by the premise and the hulu sign.

>>82679095
The set is garbage too. They use that fucking Instagram style filter for the show where everything in the background is faded.
I mean shit in the background that seems to be meant to be guard towers is clearly scaffolding with some tarps, also the frequency of recent model trucks and cars driving past in the background totally takes me out of the immersion.

Like I know it's meant to be the present day but I just saw that vehicle outside my house. Cmon.

I think it's pretty clear that the show was a rushed job.

>>82683024
Iran guy here, I've never met a muslim that gave a shit about apostates. Even the overly zealous fucknuts don't care

>>82683352
I was talking about you, retard. Especially considering your original argument was about centralization, not democracy. And your argument before that was about authoritativeness being inherent in Islamic law, which you never made a single legitimate point supporting. Off yourself buddy

>>82683257
To be honest it was legal in France and other countries long ago. Bongs have a problem with faggotry.

>>82683362
>the frequency of recent model trucks and cars driving past in the background totally takes me out of the immersion.
It's meant to take place in the present day

>>82674941
>>82675039
K Y S
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>>82682704

The Gilead society is supposed to more closely resemble the New England Puritans(obviously an even more extreme version) that helped found America, hence why the story takes place in Massachussets.

>>82683444
I know, it's still sloppy.

>>82682624
For the majority of human existence polygamy was the status quo.

The concept of monogamy is fairly new and became popular because it benefits capitalism and religion far more than any other form of population control.

>>82682758
Moot sure looks happy about his tendies

>>82683408
Other anon (or you?) became more insistent on democracy, but we can say the same in terms of centralization.

>And your argument before that was about authoritativeness being inherent in Islamic law,
The discussion drifted because of above fag, but on the main point, the law of Muhammad cannot be changed. With some "interpretation" you will tug more one way or the other, but you're still stuck with the laws of Muhammad. And yes, they are inherently authoritarian, as can be seen reading the Hadiths and the Sharia.

>>82675318
In the book a lot of people are effected by what is implied to either be radiation, or some other toxic substance. The whole point of the breeders in to ensure the species by screening people and using the unaffected people to make healthy babies for the future of the species. Other births fail.

Since people wouldn't do this on their own, and the population was shrinking at a worrying rate, certain steps were taken. People had no one to blame but themselves, they refused to do anything, so the only people that would stepped in, and guess what? They had some fucked up ideas, but they got shit done. Everyone else was willing to let the species die out instead of implement enforced breeding practices.

It's easy to judge the way these people enforce their laws, but when all the people mad at them force enforcing these laws are the people that were willing to let the human species die out, it's really hard to give a fuck.

>>82683589
>The concept of monogamy is fairly new and became popular because it benefits capitalism and religion far more than any other form of population control.
not true. Monogamy was popularized under feudalism, it beggining to unravel under capitalism. Monogamy is a characteristic of largely agrarian and settled societies, at least among commoners. Polygamy is more standard for nomads or warriors, in no small part due to the higher death rate among men leaves a larger population of women available.

>>82683516

What should they be driving, then? Random 90's shitboxes? Old crown vics?

>>82683637
>law of Muhammad cannot be changed
According to what? You seem to have a serious, serious misunderstanding of how much Islamic law is clearly articulated in the Qur'an. Basically nothing, outside of contracts, inheritance and marriage. Islamic law changes all the fucking time, and even if it didn't/hadn't that doesn't say anything about its mutability.

>as can be seen reading the Hadiths
The entire body of hadith is totalitarian? That is an utterly impossible argument to make, so I have no idea why you would even try. You're not providing any example of what you're saying, so I have a hard time believing that this isn't just something you heard someone say and never bothered to look further into it

>>82683724
nomads, warriors and nobles/royals. I suppose your willingness to admit that depends on your view of harems/concubines/like practices as polygamy though.

>>82683589
>For the majority of human existence polygamy was the status quo.
No, it was a minority of the rich. Many men had concubines, yes, but many wives and children means more knives at your throat for inheritance. The practice was never that popular outside of very wealthy families. Monogamy is older than polygamy, but you fags like to spin the opposite. Homosexuality wasn't popular in Greece either. It was spread from one area among the rich and people bitched about it then. You fags like to spin it that for some reason that every Greek dude like young boys.

>>82682760
>retarded equivalencies are okay bcuz muh fiction x)

>>82681383
>>82681449
>>82681631
Totalitarianism means a system that has TOTAL control over the lives of it's people. Get it? TOTALitarianism?

Oh and by the way a system does not require centralized control in order to completely control every aspect of your life.
You dumb smug faggots.

>>82684033
why aren't you freaking out about totalitarian capitalism then

>>82678167
fucking lol.

>>82683775
>how much Islamic law is clearly articulated in the Qur'an
The Qu'ran is not the only source here. Not even the main source. The saying of Muhammad are probably more important in this respect.

>The entire body of hadith is totalitarian?
Well, it has to be taken as a whole here. I admit I won't enter into all the bizarre teachings of Muhammad here. Perhaps you would be less triggered if I said that the Talmud is possibly even more authoritarian.

>>82675318
How horrible. Women should about every pregnancy!

>>82683863
Popularity is one thing to talk about, such things wax and wane based on all sorts of factors over the passage of time - but do not imply that monogamy was older. The reality is the oldest form likely in our earliest of early humans was no different than any alpha male gets all the females, hands off some to his main supporters, the rest of the clan gets the scrap girls, and the rest either die or or weasel their way in a girls panties on the side or rape them when no one is around to pass on their genetics. The ancestry of humanity is just wild animals like any other, their one saving grace is that they're pack hunting animals that combine their hunter with gatherer to widen their prospects.

>>82684100
Not the other anon but what did you mean by this?

>>82674908
A more accurate representation would be a dystopian future where there's an Islamic the l theocracy that controls women and forces them to carry to term but that would be offensive and bigoted so we'll make it about Christianity

>>82684033
> a system does not require centralized control in order to completely control every aspect of your life

But artificial system does. A focused attempt. The moment something can be traced back to a single point of original, it was central at a certain point. Spontaneous systems are very rare and deterministic. Blame biology, but we are what we are. Conscience is not ntarual, etcetera etcetera.

Totalitarianism is the political naming. Totalism the philosophical aspect.

>>82684265
Well Christianity was, and could still be, just as capable of such things, given the right circumstances. Remember, they were once very bit as bad as Muslims, but somewhere along the line they got neutered. The difference is mostly that Muslims never got neutered like Jews and Christians did, though it varies as some jews/christian in some parts of the world are less neutered.

>>82684100
>totalitarian capitalism
>the concept of owning property and buying and selling goods controls and restricts my dietary choices, my political opinions, and what clothes I am allowed to wear

If only all the idiot leftists in this world had only one neck.

>>82684200
This is speculative. The degree of pair bounding between mates, and the sincere degree of paternal involvement in raising offsprind(at least among some men) implies that monogamy might be not out of the possibility. Moreover, i can think of literally no primitive society in which a large percentage of males is completley denied access to women. The choice women, or multiple women, sure, but the stuff you see with lions and gorillas really has only been observed in animals.

>>82677913

>It's not critical opinion, it's alt rightist butthurt.

Sounds more like you're a cuck getting triggered over criticism and blaming an "alt right" boogeyman.

>>82684345
Why, because they got pissed at muslim raiders? The inquisition killed like 3000 people over the course of 300 years. Like ten a year. It was fucking negligible.

>>82677913

>'Wimmin shud know their place!!!1'

Can you catty, effeminate faggots every ACTUALLY attack your opponent and not a strawman you have constructed?

>>82684461
I don't think you goyim realize just how much more important and valuable the life of a single Jew is.

>>82684159
>The saying of Muhammad are probably more important in this respect.
Hadith are only used in this context to explicate the meaning of the Qur'an. The Qur'an is the ONLY source of divine law. All other aspects of sharia (reasoning, consensus and the sunnah) are subject to change because they have artificially constructed authoritativeness that is linked to the time period they are from. This is evidenced in how Islamic law today does not in any way resemble classical Islamic law despite with Islamists would lead you to believe.

Even then, the only reason Quranic law could not change is if you locate the authoritativeness of the text in Islamic historical tradition, which isn't necessary. It is a living revelation that is beyond time and space, and therefore (by some accounts) it is subject to changing with modern sensibilities.

And, even beyond that, there is another layer to the text, the true reality of God's will that supersedes the sharia. So there is an understanding that the sharia is not actually the highest level of morality

>The saying of Muhammad are probably more important in this respect.
No. The only reason hadith are so widely cited is because the Qur'an is not clear about pretty much anything, so jurists look to hadith. To say it is more important than the divine law of the revelation is absurd

>it has to be taken as a whole
You are talking about one of the oldest and most diverse juristic traditions being "taken as a whole". That makes no sense. Not all hadith are from Muhammad either, many refer to his companions or even the Rashidun

test

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>>82684345
>Well Christianity was, and could still be, just as capable of such things
It wasn't and never will be because the jews gave Christianity to the white people as means to pacify them. Its violence has always been in self defense.

>>82684856
Augustine disagrees.

Oh and most interpretations of jihad only allow it in self-defense as well, they just define "defense" very, very broadly.

>its unreasonable to expect women to have kids

>its unreasonable to expect women to behave like decent people

>its unreasonable to have expectations of women

>its unreasonable to do anything other than let women make all decisions regarding everything that might affect them even tangentially.

This is why we need white sharia.

Behead those who insult white sharia.

>>82684856
We still have Christian extremist terrorist groups.
The LRA makes ISIS look tame.

>>82685004
>The LRA makes ISIS look tame.

No one "makes IS look tame" you retard. Sure other people might be as bad, but no one is worse.

>>82679447
>Goldstein

Every time.

>>82675039

Reddit isn't welcome here either, so what are you up to?

>>82685070
I don't think IS is big on child sex slavery.
The LRA is.

>>82684990
What self-defense did Mohammed demonstrate when he went a killed and a conquered his way across the middle east raping his 9 year old wife?

>>82685153
Islam has been doing sex slavery longer than any religion on the planet.

>>82685171
That was an offensive jihad, which is now considered illegitimate by all Shiis and most Sunnis except for fringe groups like ISIS.

Bin Laden's jihad, for example, was considered to be a defense against the US and Israel. Iraqi jihad against ISIS is similarly defensive

>>82685207
Read the old testament some time

>>82685171
The same self-defense the Franks demonstrated when they hiked 2000 miles to invade the Levant. Also the same self-defense the US government demostrated when it invaded Vietnam. Defense is a protean concept

>>82684396
Primitive doesn't seem to mean to you what it means to most people. There are vast swathes of text books on the speculation, but most of it supported by pre-historic findings, remains, tools, it's how we identify the earliest pre-historical farms, and other aspects of pre-historic culture. Denial of the lowest males, who don't contribute enough, or don't support enough, leads to the two lowest forms of males. Three if you count those that never pass on their genetics. The rapist and the weasel, who get their genetics into females meant for males above them, with the best females given to the greatest contributors and supporters, and the first selection left to the alpha. This is very typical alpha pack behavior, and the only people that don't note it as the most likely early form of human breeding are those that deny we were ever primitive animals, usually the religious sort. And that's just the periods we can intuit from their remains, older still and you get into the periods where we aren't even that organized, in which we aren't finding places to settle, in which we're in full nomadic mode, as seen in the earliest findings both in europe and africa, suggesting huge large areas of nomadic travel with little stable settling. In these periods a non-monogamous lifestyle is even more likely still, and you noted. This is a period where we are barely even tool makers, unlike the prior mention, who make clothing and tools they keep for long periods, this nomadic period makes their tools on the fly, when they need them, instead of saving and decorating them. I make a sharp rock when I need a shark rock. Maybe a keep a sharp rock longer to kill someone with, but the most notable thing about this period is their stagnation and refusal to take the next step, this doesn't change until a period we find a drought, a lack of food, that causes a mass migration into europe leading to the alpha pack period.

>>82685297
Read Islam's history some time. Stop trying to argue with fiction.

>>82685171
Not exactly a lot of organized military forces in the desert bro. The early Muslims basically bulldozed a joke of a Sassanian army in Iraq/Iran, drove a few thousand Byzantines out of Egypt, and just waltzed on over to the Maghreb with zero resistance. I think they took Spain in literally a single battle against the Visigoths.

>>82685459
Yeah they just written down laws on how to handle your sex slaves for fun.
No historical relevance at all

>>82685459
Slavery in Islam is not the same thing as western slavery

>>82678722
Get this hot head OUT OF HERE!

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>>82674908
So we're supposed to believe this woman was able to lure a man away from his wife and has two men lusting after her at the risk of imprisonment and/or execution? Couldn't they have picked an attractive actress?

>>82685575
You're right western slaves survived slavery. Slavery in Islam castrated the men and married the children.

>>82682834
you have autism anon. im sorry

>>82678064

So, modern day Islamic countries?

>>82685617
Homosexual detected

>>82685671
>Slavery in Islam castrated the men and married the children
Eunuchs existed everywhere bud. Slaves in Islam could actually be extremely powerful; slaves of important families often ended up more wealthy, powerful and presitigous than "free" Muslims

>>82685795
She looks like the kind of woman a gay man would marry to pretend to be straight.

>>82685906
yeah I guess you would know all about that

>>82685947
Top bants my friend. You have wounded me deeply. You are an expert at this.

>>82677850
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>>82678755
>>82679785
Cuck

Although I'm a proud atheist, the fact that you justify this anti-American propaganda bullshit just shows how fucking imbecilic you people are when it comes to indoctrinating garbage like this.

-The Militia of the Truth Revolt

>>82685813
So could slaves in Rome. Rome also crucified slaves, and kept them in conditions and work regimes that would make southerners blush. Mobility does not forgive everything. Even the romans let most of them fuck.

>>82685992
>being this insecure

>>82680877
fuck you

IDs at least lets us know which people in these threads are just in here only for the purpose of saying unintellectual rubbish Let them hang! Har har har!

>>82686136
Ouchies! Please stop! I'm getting very depressed by your meanie words :'(

>>82676645
kill yourself

TRIPFAGS RAUS

>>82677913
>being this much of a cuck
Otherwise, it has been scientifically proven over and over again that women are ultimately insignificant in the functioning and the survival of the human race. They have a low IQ, they have weaker physical capabilities, they are nothing but parasites to the more evolved man. You are nothing but supporting a specimen worthy of being called nothing but garbage. Let me tell you this -- did any women contribute to anything that progressed society in the past millenia? Did any of them have any contributions in art? science? government? Name at least one.

That's right, no women ever contributed to anything the human race other than being a cumbersome heap of human garbage.

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>>82686266
>haha tripfagXD
Go back to your fucking safespace you inbred autist. What I am saying is all pure fact and evidence. Yet every single one of you degenerate bastards in this thread just complain "/POL/LMAO" or other shit like that. You're nothing to me. Don't talk to someone with a higher IQ than you, and someone successful than what you will ever be in your whole fucking lifetime, you pathetic pig.

>>82686367
>Did any of them have any contributions in art? science? government?
Have you?

>>82686367

They can have kids, raise them, and endeavor to be loving and supportive mothers and wives.

>>82674941
>>82675039
>>82675244
>>82675262
Daww are you sad that 4chan isn't a safe space for you? I'm so sorry!

>>82686367
>no women ever contributed to anything the human race
Except for giving birth to you?

>a cumbersome heap of human garbage
Oh I see your point :^)

>>82677913
REDDIT GET OUT

>>82686469
TRIP

FAGGOT

>>82686593
>no women ever contributed to anything the human race
It has been proven countless times that men can give birth. With the rise of robotic/artificially intelligence servants with the capability of pleasuring and being an accompaniment to men, it is becoming more apparent the true uselessness of women.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkcKaNqfykg
This, for example.

>>82686660
>>82686400
Fuck off with your petty insults.

>>82686492
Men can also raise kids, and much better too. Most children grow up as criminals and vicious rapists because of their nurturing being under such an incapable being. Mothers are truly useless and incapable of raising a child into one that can flourish withing society. Nothing but parasites.

>>82686925

Mothers are good for kids if the woman in question is properly raised, which most aren't these days. larping as men turns women into shit, but that doesn't mean women taught to be women cant do anything good.

>>82686867
>It has been proven countless times that men can give birth
It doesn't count if it's in The Sims :3

>>82685617
Wew lad. When I read the book I sure didn't imagine both Fred and Serena looking younger and more attractive than Offred.

>>82686925
>Men can also raise kids, and much better too.
It's pretty well documented that the nuclear family is the best structural unit in which to raise a child (in terms of physical/mental health and success)

>>82687705
Then why is there so much more anxiety and depression and such in the west, where the nuclear family is so traditional?

>>82687883
Because in third-world shitholes there's probably even more of this stuff, but psychiatry doesn't exist or most people can't afford it, that's why there are less mental health problems diagnosed.