Let's be honest. The Matrix sequels are pretty damn good.

1 > 3 > 2

>>82622281

I remember being super hyped for the premiere back in 2003 and once I saw it, I was actually kinda dissappointed.

Then I watched animatrix, read up on the wiki and I was blown away.

The Matrix is shit and has always been. Take off your castration goggles, faggot.

First movie was good because it blended a new aesthetic (that would be endlessly copied), solid action sequences, and beginner-level existentialism. It didn't need strong characterization because it did everything else right, the characters could be simple and one-note.

Getting around "who are these people and why should I care" is impressive to do once, but you can't really expect to get away with it three times in a row. That is why the second Star Wars movie spent so much time focusing on the characters and their relationships.

The Matrix sequels have a lot of cool things in them, but they don't mesh well into a cohesive movie that most people can feel involved in. A bunch of interesting scenes strung together is no more a good movie than a neat pile of quality building materials is a mansion.

To make the sequels work you'd either have to greatly expand upon Neo and Trinity's characters in Reloaded or they would have needed to have been better characterized in the first movie. Oddly enough Morpheus being more-or-less one note seems to still work.

>>82622487
>new aesthetic
>copying degenerate animu and cyberpunk novels = new aesthetic

You've heard it here first.

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>>82622281
>The Matrix sequels are pretty damn good.

>>82622552
Closest film equivalent that predates is Blade Runner, and that handled the action sequences like a more traditional Harrison Ford movie.

>>82622552
no one gives a shit about jap cartoons and edgy hipster trends

>>82622552
It had not been done in cinema yet, so yes, it was a new aesthetic, faggotron

>>82622281
agreed, but they bit off more than they could chew

>>82622281
They were alright, not as good as the first

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The program and the program with the program and the program program written for the program sometimes programs program ergo program

>>82622281
Reloaded is Kino
Revolutions is okay but could have been better. Gloria Foster is sorely missed as The Oracle in that movie, her replacement had negative charisma.

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I just love you too damn much

>>82622740
It was damn good though.

>>82622626
Nothing has at all come out in all that time that is even close to its awesomeness. Even Revolutions kicked ass. It's overall a great film. Loved the third more than the first, but not as much as the second.

>>82622281
Reloaded was good but Revolutions dropped the ball.

The sequels weren't that great, but when you compare them to more recent sequels....they seem like fucking gold.

Compare the Matrix 2 and 3 to Iron Man 2 and 3, or Thor 2 and 3. Or, God forbid, the last 3 Transformers or Fast/Furious movies. The Matrix sequels were not great, but they were ok movies. Reloaded was 7/10, Revolutions 6/10.

>>82623198
If you think about Revolutions being a 2 hour ending to Reloaded...and there is a whole actual third movie to finish up the story....Revolutions dropping the ball makes more sense.

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what pissed me off is we didn't get to see these overpowered af dudes fight the agents

they were basically god level. not even neo could beat them.

>>82623511
>make invincible as fuck villains
>dispose of them in an unresolved fashion

What a joke.

>>82623511
I agree with you.

People speculate that they were representative of early agent programs, but were scrapped for breaking the laws of The Matrix and ruining the system put in place by the machines.

Can you imagine the Twins fighting Smiths?

That'd be dope.

I watched all three movies in a row once and was completely satisfied the entire experience

I think the time gap between the first and the second is why so many people hated the second, because it explored deeper themes than the first

The third one is the one where things go off the rails but even then I still enjoyed it for what it was and for showing us the Machine City

>>82623540
Yeah they did them no justice to be completely honest.

>>82623548
" The Twins are two of the Merovingian's henchmen in The Matrix film trilogy, originating from the machines' second attempt at creating a viable matrix. "

You're probably right. Agents from matrix 2.0. So overpowered.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NONAOaZQqn4

Gets arm shredded with gun rounds, then just regenerates.

>>82623692
I watched all three not that long ago and I was struggling to understand what the takeaway message is from the entire trilogy. "Shit gets crazy and repeats in gigantic loops" the sci-fi movie series?

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Who was in the wrong here?

I enjoyed the fight in the park against all the doubles

>>82622453
>castration goggles
...

>>82623850
I agree. People always knock it by saying it looked bad, but I think the sheer scale of the whole thing was really awesome.

>>82623818
Robots are less than animals and I could probably do that to a dog if it was bothering me enough

>>82623876
It really only looks bad on TVs...it didnt look nearly as bad in the theater. A lot of it is CGI and TVs are much less forgiving about that

>>82623818
Remember that the entire Animatrix is told by a program within the Matrix. She is only saying what the machines want her to say. So the entire Animatrix is a heavily biased, ant-human version of what really happened.

IMO, humanity escaped earth, moved out to the Moon and Mars, and Dark Storm was meant to contain the machines. The machines failed to understand this, because "Dark Storm" clearly disables machines past a certain height (remember how Neo's ship shut down in Revolutions and no Sentinels followed them when they went high up).

>>82623818
Why are they destroying a perfectly functioning sexdoll?

>>82623908
Too bad I was like 5 or 6 when it came out. Even to this day I remember my dad being incredibly excited for it. Showing me ads for it in the Newspaper and shit.

Thanks for bringing that up I think I am going to swing by his place to watch the first one again.

>>82623936
This is a good point. There is the short story about the human bred by the machines to fight the weird Alien force that threatens earth. Humanity probably completed space travel by this time if we had high speed floating cars...

>>82623818
Humans.
Because the whole thing was set off by ONE robot deciding to murder its owners or something, right?

Its a fault in human software that we assign inappropriate priority to extremely small risks. In this somewhat plausible scenario, humans attempt to decommission all robots in response to a single rampage.

In the process of inappropriately responding to this extremely small threat, humans ignored the massive existential threat of robots organizing in response to their impending extermination.

From that point forward, events were set along a fairly inevitable course.

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>>82622281
The third was trash but the second one was great if you saw it in theatres. It's just one of those films like Jackass, Borat or 300 which you had to experience in the moment to truly appreciate. The action didn't really age well but at the time those fight scenes were god tier. I remember the whole theatre being insanely hyped (granted it was a black theatre) during that bit where Neo is fighting the massive group of Agent Smiths. Plus Enter the Matrix on PS2 (which came out like a week later) was pure single player kino. All in all it was a great time if you were a fan of the franchise.

>>82623936
>the entire Animatrix
Only the historical portions.

>>82622552
fuck off weeab

>>82624096
>dude it's just one XDDD

Neo's whole choice is to basically sacrifice humanity because he wants Trinity to stay alive. It's a trolley problem and they ruin the whole series by shoehorning christian mythology into it so that he saves Zion. The series should have ended with Zion getting eradicated and Neo being assimilated while Trinity watches his body explode in the real world.

Also it really felt like the only reason they brought Smith back for 2 and 3 was because he was one of the best villains of all time (and he was). He doesn't really serve any purpose in the sequels other than to look cool.

>>82623936
Incorrect. The Last Renaissance is narrated by Zion's Library Archive computer. You're literally making shit up to suit your own wannabe interpretation.

>>82624180
>Missing the ENTIRE point
Embarrassing.

>>82623692
the one thing i don't understand is how neo could kill a sentinel without being in the matrix

is there an explanation for that?

>>82624288
wi-fi faggot

>>82624233
Oh, Zion's library computer....

Remind me, who created Zion? Who allows Zion to exist? Who knows exactly where Zion is, how it develops, and has destroyed it 6 times in the timeline of the movies?

>>82624288
It has to do with him being blinded by a person possessed by Smith. The whole point of the character Bane being possessed by Smith was to demonstrate that the code in the Matrix could manifest something in the real world.

>>82624288
They're not outside of the matrix. They still inside another larger matrix. That's my theory anyway. Some will say wi-fi. Some will say because Neo can still interact with the matrix outside of it. No one really knows. The Wachowskis are fucking hacks.

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>>82624288
>how neo could kill a sentinel without being in the matrix

>thinking Neo ever left The Matrix

I've got news for you

>>82622558
"Good" means "worth a rewatch". They aren't, as are all DCU films and most Marvel ones.

>>82624389
>DUDE MATRIX WITHIN MATRIX LMAO

Back.

>>82624389
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Well that explains everything

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>>82624369
Calm down. Stop trying to invent shit to suit your personal psychological need to project your white power struggle onto a movie made by transgender jews. The Second Renaissance isn't some secret robotjew plot, it is what it is, the history of the war between the humans and robots as told by Zion historians programmed into a school child's computer. Its literally the foundation story for the entire point of the movie...that the robots and humans are basically both guilty of mistreating each other and not so different after all. The machines representing humanity's children, "imbued with the spirit of man", literal line from the animatrix, which is why they are both as cruel as humans and some of them as moral. All of this is literally the moral of the entire fucking movie franchise but I guess it went over your head and now you're trying to validate your ignorant made up interpretation using mental gymnastics.

>>82622359

But reloaded has the smith scene

>>82622281
>Matrix 1
Pretty good overall.
>Matrix 2
Stupid but amazing action sequences.
>Matrix 3
Just stupid.

>>82622281
I've only seen the first matrix movie and it was great. Should I watch the sequels as well or would I just be wasting my time, /tv/?

>>82622281
yup

the wachowski sisters were ahead of their time

>>82623175
>Even Revolutions kicked ass. It's overall a great film. Loved the third more than the first, but not as much as the second.

What's life like as a retard?

smith sent a copy to the real world
neo left a copy of himself in the machine mainframe


Maggie: [Refering to Neo] This is what keeps bothering me.
Trinity: What?
Maggie: His neural patterns don't read like someone who is in a coma. The strange thing is I see these patterns all the time.
Trinity: Where?
Maggie: On someone jacked in.

>>82624805
>white power

I'm half black, you fucking retard.

>Its literally the foundation story for the entire point of the movie...

It's literally the story told to the audience by the newest version of Zion's computer,
which we know for a fact is the product of the machines.

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>>82624805
>Stop trying to invent shit to suit your personal psychological need
>you are a white supremacist racist because you disagree with me about the lore of this autistic action movie

>>82623936
>>82624233
Last Flight of the Osiris leads directly into Enter the Matrix which is happening simultaneously with Reloaded.

>>82625452
This isn't up for discussion. You're literally arguing that the writers and directors got their own story wrong and you know better and because you want it to be something else with human's living on the moon and robots representing pure evil to validate your personal fantasy and retard view since simple parts of the story went over your head. Just admit you were stupid and thought the gold hippie program was some evil Matrix program and not you're desperately trying to save face by making desperate arguments.

The whole fucking point of the movies, not some complex secret, is how man and machine are the same, they're both good and evil and everything in between. The whole point of Neo, this sort of man with a machine mind is to serve as the bridge between the two worlds and broker the peace. It's not a mysterious movie, with moon humans and robot jew trickery. The Last Renaissance wasn't some trick propaganda, humans were dicks to machines, machines were dicks back.

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>>82622281

They have some pretty damn good SCENES.

They are bad movies. Pale shadows of the original. So much cringe dialogue (particularly in Revolutions) it spawned memes.

I can't enjoy the Matrix sequels specifically because I loved the original movie so much, and they were dog shit by comparison. I suppose on their own they could be seen as "decent" flicks, nothing more. There's no fucking depth to them. Fucking trash tier hack sellout garbage produced by a floundering shitty studio with only 1 profitable IP.

Could have been so great.

>>82624219
And that's why you're not in Hollywood making movies. Your ideas are shit.

>>82623818
>>82623936
Is the animatrix worth checking out? just found out it existed.

>>82628008

Yes

first was a masterpeice, the next two were abominations that weren't needed since the first ended perfectly.

if you've never seen any of them then by all means watch all three, but you'll understand exactly what i mean when you do.

>>82627884
This.
They are kind of like a porn star who has had plenty of plastic surgery. On their own, all her bits look pretyt nice, but put them all together and it just doesn't work.

>>82628008
its better than the trilogy.

>>82628055

Good analogy. Checked

>>82627884
It fucking turned into Dragon Ball Z with robots. Neo was Goku, all fucking powerful and shit. All the other characters were the other useless ass Z-Fighters like Krillin, Yamcha and Piccolo. They knew how to fight, but were utterly outclassed by Neo and the agents and just ended up being weak, useless addons that got in the way.

And I don't use DBZ loosely here, that last fucking fight scene between Neo and Smith was pretty much a live action DBZ.

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>>82628232

Pretty much.

Bringing back Smith was a mistake.

>oops I'm not actually dead
>forgot to empty the recycle bin lol

It was like they flat admitted they couldn't write a new compelling villain.

What was happening to all the people in the Matrix while Neo and Smith were DBZ fighting? Were they all just Smith speccies, or were they huddling in basements covered in debris and broken glass wondering what the fuck was going on in the CBD? It doesn't matter, does it. They didn't even start to address "saving" anybody, at best they just preserved the status quo. Pretty CG sunset, Smith dead, Neo dead, Trinity dead, Zion a mud festival. What a fucking mess.

Not one fight scene on par with pic related.

I could go on and on about how much and why I hate these movies but I prefer to pretend they don't exist.

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>>82622281
Really?

>>82625084
stop there anon, trust me

>>82622281
I always said they were good. I didn't like the focus on CGI humans, but I enjoyed the fuck out of all three and legitimately think 3 is better than 2.

>>82628008
definitely, I'm not even into animu and I think its great

Is the whole movie a battle between determinism / free will?

When Neo breaks Agent Smith, ''because I choose too'' = Free will winning?

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>>82622281
No they're not, they have some great scenes but overall they're horrible

Stupid fucking cave rave party, dumb as shit

The ongoing rambling which doesn't make any sense by old geezers
No it's not deep or smart like the first movie, it went over its head and rambled on like a crazy person

That absolutely depressing ending

Horrible CGI at times

The only thing that was great was the chase scene and 2-3 Neo fights and even that has its flaws

>>82622281
Reloaded was better than the original. Revolutions was mediocre.

>>82622552
Fuck off weeb, nobody cares what you have to say.

>>82631716
Mediocre perhaps but absolutely necessary.

>>82624385
haha wifi? Really???

I've always taken away that we are the masters of our own worlds and our wills bend the universe around us. Kind of like that magic rock that gives you powers but later you discover the magic rock was just a rock and it was inside of you all along.

The matrix carries heavily on many religious ideals so I chalked up his abilities outside as he simply willed it to be so therefor it was. Its not a very logical explanation but I dont think the movies are supposed to be entirely logical as its science and religion blended together in one.

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>>82622281
I agree.

>pic related

>>82623511
I know some schizophrenic dude who thinks he played one of these guys, looks nothing like them. Fucking scary how convinced he is.

>>82622281
>The Matrix sequels are pretty damn good.
They have a lot of good things but they're just a mess as a whole. The battle on the docks of zion is one of the coolest sci fi action set pieces ever put on film.

>>82622281

They were decent.

Something to keep in mind is that the Matrix sequels were one of those first attempts at: "Hey let's make a couple of movies at the same time to save on production costs since we already know we're making 2/3/4 of these things, etc..." Similar to the Lord of the Rings films. However unlike the Lord of the Rings films they didn't shoot off of a great adapted story, they shot off of the "oh shit that made more money than we thought" notes scribbled down by two geeky as fuck trannies.

The matrix sequels get points for not playing it safe at all with the story. They could have made a very generic set of sequels that were just the first movie but biggerer, but they didn't. Instead they made the second movie almost a deconstruction of the first with the most confusing/bad blatant exposition dump in any movie in history with the architect just explaining shit in a bad set. The matrix Revolutions because it was part of this "dude we'll just make one movie and chop it in half!" mindlset is almost all 3rd act and as a result has pacing issues, narrative issues, character issues, but does feature one of the craziest action sequences to ever come out of a big blockbuster film in which a hundred or so Jamaicans in power armor mechs fight a quarter of a million horrifying squid robots in an underground complex while some more Jamaicans in an old battered futuristic hovercraft run around doing the most video-gamey shit ever put on screen. Oh and let's not forget the Neo-Smith fight that was equally insane (interpret insane as you will).

The matrix sequels have a lot going for them, but being "good movies" isn't one of those things.

All you have to do is take out most of the real world shit. 90% of real world screentime is garbage.

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>>82623511
>basically god level
>are killed/defeated in a simple car explosion, despite healing and phasing abilities

Would have been cool to see Neo fight them though, they might have provided some amount of challenge for him. Give Morpheus and Trinity the "vampiric henchman" sword fight instead.

>>82624177
>>82633175
>implying any weeb would call anime degenerate
At some point, you really have to wonder if this place has gone too far down the rabbit hole of retardation.

>>82622552
>caring about weebshit

>>82623272
Iron Man 3 was great, though.

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>>82628008
Hell yeah it is, it also has one of the best battles with a god-tier soundtrack i've ever seen

>>82624375
Neo wasn't blinded then yet.
Though I do agree that the reason Neo could stop the Sentinel was because as the One he could shape the code of the Matrix, and the machines by proxy, even outside the Matrix.

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>>82636376
Was too young (10 or 11) when I first saw Animatrix desu senpai.
The shot of the screaming mech pilot getting his limbs ripped off sorta fucked me up emotionally for a bit

Why didn't Neo ever give himself the power to shoot Kamehamehas? Fucking idiot, I would've done that and inst-winned every fight.....

>>82624219
>He doesn't really serve any purpose in the sequels other than to look cool
The movies
Your head

>>82622281

2 is half as good as 1

and 3 is half as good as 2

>>82636509
Far as I could tell Neo couldn't choose or give himself powers, the Matrix included a defined set of abilities for The One.

>>82624288
Neo was a machine. That's what they meant with the one being born within the matrix. Once he realizes this he can interact with the machines and if he wants, stop them.
Remember that scene when Morpheus says to Neo he has never used his eyes? Making Neo blind in the third film makes him use his machine eyes for the first time. It's like poetry.
That's why Neo did not die when Smith killed him in the first film, he rebooted. That's when he started to realize his nature.

>>82628619
>Were they all just Smith speccies
Yes.
The whole point of the last fight was that the machines' way to control their human batteries was being taken over by what was basically a virus, constantly replicating itself into other programs inside the Matrix, threatening the machines' very existence and means to control the humans.

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>>82623511
>tfw these guys are real in doggo form

>>82636581
so 3 is 1/3 as good as 1?

>>82636879
Anon.

>>82636879
>american education

>>82636612
Except all captive humans were born in the matrix
It was just a metaphor

>>82622281
>/tv/ now defends the Star Wars shitquels and the Matrix sequels.

>>82623818
> I'm human
The robot obviously

>>82628008
It is bretty gud. I like the one where the nigger runs so fast that those white boy machines can't keep him down and he exits the matrix for a minute.

>>82637017
>anon still can't let go that the prequels weren't what he wanted them to be
I can't wait for you to say something about the overuse of CGI with examples that were in fact actual sets.

>>82624096
If robots are capable of organizing in response then they should be terminated ASAP.

>>82637108
>haha hes so stupid for wanting good movies haha george lucas isn't there to entertain haha the plebeian haha

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>>82637108

>>82623745
>You're probably right. Agents from matrix 2.0. So overpowered.
well newer agents literally can't die (without neo hack), they can respawn infinitely.

ghosts are just hard to kill. they would probably die with a head shot in non-ghost form

>>82622552
>copying degenerate animu
Are you implying Ghost in a Cunt isn't a complete ripoff of Blade Runner? wew mate
It's not copying anime because it's copying Blade Runner at its core.

>it's okay when gooks are "inspired"
>it's not okay when we "steal"
SJW. Not even once.

>>82637637
Literally what I meant by
>I can't wait for you to say something about the overuse of CGI with examples that were in fact actual sets.

>>82636612
Yes, Neo is a machine, a machine in human flesh. It's not a dissemination of a code pack he's carrying, HE IS THE CODE. He's literally a Bane/Smith Hybrid. He doesn't realize this of course but he is literally the Source in human form.

>>82636679
It was poetic that Smith who saw humanity as a virus became a virus. But here's the thing, Smith becoming a virus was not a potential inherit in Agent Programs. Which means it was a power that was, for lack of a better word, inherit in NEO.

>>82637889
>Are you implying Ghost in a Cunt isn't a complete ripoff of Blade Runner?
It isn't.
You'd probably know this if you'd actually seen either.
>hurr durr both deal with themes of what it means to be a human, what a ripoff

>>82637920
that image is clearly all CGI, yo.

Either way that's clearly not the complaint of the 50s earth diner.

>>82638000
>that image is clearly all CGI, yo.
It actually isn't.
Elements of it are, but the diner itself was an actual set.
>50s earth diner
Makes about as much sense as the Mos Eisley cantina.

>>82637991
>It isn't.
wew lad

>>82638116
Nice argument.
Pretty much the only thing Ghost in the Shell and Blade Runner have in common is that they feature androids.
Even the purpose of the androids and how they're made is different.
Two things can exist in the same (sub)genre without being ripoffs of each other, anon.

>>82622453
Spotted the 13 year old

>>82636496
everyone ive talked to about it that saw it at that age has that scene burned in their memory

>>82638064
The inside of the diner was an actual set. They didn't build an entire 50s earth diner inside a giant metal lozenge. The outside shot is entirely CGI.

And, anyway, that's not the issue. The issue is the 50s earth diner. And, no, the alien bar on an alien planet filled with aliens and alien architecture does not make just as much sense as a 50s earth diner with earth architecture on an alien planet, run by an alien.

I really hate that 30 minute fight between Mr Anderson and Agent Smith in the park after visiting the oracle.

>>82624933
This.

>>82623511
>not even neo could beat them.
Morpheus could resist fighting agains them at the same time.
Trinity hits them several times.

Neo couldn't beat them? What is your logic?

>>82634268
What does them being trannies have to do with anything?

>>82637920
Does it matter if it looks like shit regardless?

>>82624106
>spent MANY hours in the office where guards just keep spawning outside and running in if you stay
>doing mad kung fu and fighting all da niggas
>slowmo back kicks and 360s and backflips running on all walls and doing everything that was doable
awesome game