How good is The Young Kino

very

>>82558205
The most dreadfully boring tv series I've ever seen and I've seen The Secret Life of an American Teenager.

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>>82558247

Why would you call something Kino if you've never seen it? Are you retarded?

>>82558304
>WAH I'M AN ATHEIST POPE
>WAH I'M GOING TO PRAY TO GOD TO KILL SOMEONE
>WAH I DON'T NEED ANY HELP
>WAH I NEED MY MENTOR'S HELP

It was truly awful. No interesting characters. Wait, scratch that. The guy that gets send to America is the only remotely interesting character. You're a pleb for liking this show. Next to Rome, The Sopranos and The Wire, this show will go down as one of HBO's worst.

>>82558371
>>WAH I'M AN ATHEIST POPE

Stopped reading there. If you did watch it you didn't even understand it on a most basic level.

>>82558406
He admits to the confidant that he's an atheist and when the confidant freaks out he says he was only joking.

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>>82558346

I'm up to episode 8 your eminence

>>82558505
>He admits to the confidant that he's an atheist

no he doesn't. Stop making shit up and watch the show again

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>>82558247

this show was goat

my favorite show after Hannibal fite me

>>82558205
im on episode 3, downloaded it like a day ago.

so far its really good. im expecting more each episode but i feel like i might get a dud episode soon.

>>82558867
it was in the first episode

>>82558957
the ending of episode 4 is beautiful

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>>82558247

>>82558975
second one
but immediately after we see him pray for forgiveness to god especially for saying he doesn't believe in him
he is clearly going through a crisis of faith, that's one of the plot points

>>82558205
i literally cried when he made a speech in africa

Great, fuck knows why we're getting a second season though.

>>82558304
Describe the plot

I really enjoy watching Jude Law act

Am I a homo?

>>82558247
typical yank

>>82558205
It's second all time only to the Sopranos

>>82559471
Yes

>>82559408
>spoon-feed me

>>82559584
Oh well. Gonna go see Guy Ritchie's King Arthur flick and jerk off in the cinema I guess.

>I prayed so hard I nearly shit my pants
Why does Jude Law slip into his English accent so hard on that line? Really ruins my immersion.

>>82558371
>this show will go down as one of HBO's worst.
well good thing it's a SKY show then

>>82559900
It's actually a triumvirate between HBO, SKY and Canal+ headed by Sorrentino.
Yanks like to pass of everything as theirs though.

>>82558371
>>82558505
>>82558975
>"atheist"
It's about his conflict of fate you fucking mongoloid

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>>82558371
Voiello is sometimes see describing the plot to the handicapped kid.
This kid represents the American public and this is of course a metaphor showing how all Americans are retards that need the plot to be spoon fed to them by a narrator

>>82560039
truly kino

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>>82558687
the next ep will make or break your opinion on the show

>>82558205
Best show of the decade hands down

>>82560039
holy kek

>>82560039
10/10

Not even American. I hated this fucking show. Watched all ten episodes because I watched five already and was too invested in it but I should have dropped it and moved on. The pope actually kills a nun in Africa instead of excommunicating her, letting the authorities deal with her etc. Why doesn't he do this to the pedophiles in the church instead?

>>82558304
is he letting out some holy incense?

>>82559408

An American cardinal who is relatively young for the position gets elected Pope, and proceeds to go through a crisis of faith as he comes to terms with his own personal failings and the corruption that infests his beloved Church.

He overcomes his base, mortal instinct to hide from suffering behind zealotry and coldness, growing to truly appreciate the oft-overlooked 7 Heavenly Virtues of the Christian faith and finally fulfilling all the requirements for beatification as a Saint

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>>82560039
pahaha

>>82558205
Great if you're Jude Law and everybody's praising you for your performance. Personally I think it's just fucking weird.

Just finished marathoning the whole thing
Should have got 13 eps desu

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>>82560018
>fate

>you fucking mongoloid

You know Leftovers or Americans or whatever piece of shit you're currently watching? Now imagine if it was actually good. The Young Pope is even better than that

>>82560208
we don't know what he prayed for in that scene - they played music over the monologue - you should direct your anger at God, instead

>>82560239
how are you enjoying 13 reasons why?

>>82558205
>>82558241
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>>82560254
Pope Francis would never say that.

>>82560288
>You know Leftovers or Americans or whatever piece of shit you're currently watching? Now imagine if it was actually good. The Young Pope is even better than that

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>>82560327
God loves but we can't understand how

>>82560327

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>>82560313
I'm not. Do you really take me for one of those harelips who follows a series just so they can bitch about it on /tv/?

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>>82560039
Holly Jej.
Americans in suicide squad.

>>82560288
>comparing Leftovers to The Young Redditor

>>82560327
>>82560367
Can you stop you fucking pleb?

>>82560409
I was only one of them
>>82560373
Not an answer
>>82560372
What did the baby pile mean? What was the significance of nothing really happening in the last couple episodes?

>>82560400
redditors don't even like the young pope, it's too complex for them; hence why the dedicated sub is tiny. The Leftovers on the other hand is reddit bait.

>>82560456
How was it too complex?

>>82560444

It wasn't meant as an answer, you dick-hungry faglord

The Young Pope?

More like The Young Dopes who watch this stupid show

>>82560223
So THAT'S how he got superpowers

>>82560327
whatever you want it to be?

he was actually God at then at the end it all came tumbling down tumbling down tumbling down

>>82560444
the pile of babies was a metaphor for the all the orphans and the young pope crawling out from them is his starting point

>>82560444
>What did the baby pile mean?
Innocence, the state of willing childhood the priests stay in according to Lenny. It also has significance because of the paedophile plot

>What was the significance of nothing really happening in the last couple episodes?
That you need to pay more attention or stick to Game of Thrones

>>82558205
>Kino
fuck off back to where you came from

>>82560472
see >>82560039

>The Young Pope received positive reviews in the UK, Ireland, and Italy. Jude Law's performance has garnered praise by Jasper Rees of The Daily Telegraph, while the Italian weekly Catholic magazine Famiglia Cristiana objected to "caricature-like characters created to appeal to an American audience".
>On U.S. review aggregator Metacritic, it has a rating of 69, indicating "generally favorable reviews."

>>82560223
But he's still a zealot and he's still hiding at the end. Just now his inner circle starts talking about how magic he is.

Is it NOT about a Pope? Is the whole thing a metaphor for catholics or what in the fuck happened? The corrupt dudes are still pretty much around it's not like we're seen him purging shit. They barely even touch kid diddling.

He acts like a radical zealot, hides out for awhile, has some family issues, then everyone talks about how he's magic.

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>>82560580
>>On U.S. review aggregator Metacritic, it has a rating of 69
>Luke Cage has a 79%
Can someone just nuke that memecountry please? Thanks in advance

>>82560580
How does this explain how it was too complex?

I thought it was too vague and self-important and meandering and crammed with probably a bunch of shit that you have to be a catholicfag to know what they're alluding to.

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>>82560456

Indeed, Although it doesn't help HBO bought up all the related subs & set them to private. Nobody talks about it on Reddit because the sub is hard to find.

It's like /r/youngpopefire or something isn't it?

>>82560528
So is that the subtext? That it's actually about God? That Jude Law is God? What does his orphanage brother represent? What about his orphanage momsister? What about the italian guy?

>>82560597
Well he did do magic

>>82560707
He's the vicar of christ and a saint

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>>82560707
no it's whatever you want it to be - i have my own interpretation, doesn't mean it's right or wrong, it's just how I see it - you can have one too!

>>82560725
Did he? And even if he did, what was the fucking point? It's made clear throughout the series that he's pretty much scared away everyone from the church. What's the point of being magic on a sinking ship?

Is that the point?

How much of the literal plotlines where there because of their subtextual metaphors? Was everything in the show supposed to be read as having underlying thematic meaning? Because I just wasn't grasping what the message was the whole fucking time, and then it just kind of ended.

What is the significance of his priestbrother banging whoars and getting killed by gangsters?

What is the significance of his momsister, and other than as a growing up thing was there more meaning to her leaving?

Like there's so much meandering boring normal life personal drama shit and then everything else is some goddamn metaphor.

>>82558247
fucking hated that show so much holy shit

thanks for reminding me

>>82558505
His misunderstood in this scene.
He meant that he doesn't trust in God's plan, but he KNOWS God exists.

>>82560873
>Was everything in the show supposed to be read as having underlying thematic meaning?
Yes

>>82560707
No the subtext is the relationship of the faithful with God and His infinite silence. This relationship parallels with the relationship of Lenny with his parents, also infinitely silent but infinitely present. Also with his first girlfriend, who he kept writing letters. "Absence is presence", that's the subtext. He builds his papal policy around this concept and then starts the reevaluate his position after the things he goes through in the show, learning to deal with loneliness and lack of closure, especially with God. He had the love of God with him all along even if He wasn't present. Same thing can't be said about his parents though

As he finds God's love he starts to come to terms with the fact that he may be a saint too

Stopped watching when he promotes degeneracy to an audience even though it was a dream and smokes like a chimney

What about his tax policies?

>>82560873
90's born queer kill yourself

>>82560873
>what was the fucking point?
To trigger redditors like you exposing them to true art

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A lot of people who talk about this show seem to not really understand Catholicism.

I went to a catholic school but don't fully understand all of it. It'd be interesting to talk to a priest (who likes film/television) about the show for what they think

I'm an athiest now but Catholic is a kino religion , aesthetically that is.

>>82560824
But it's never even made clear if he believes in God again at the end. He's basically a sociopath. Is the whole show about narcissism? Is that the point of having him basically scare everyone away from him while surrounding him with enablers that call him magic?

>>82560832
>no it's whatever you want it to be
That works when it still feels like the creator was making a point. 2001 or The Shining are open to interpretation but everything in them is presented from a confident, focused voice. Magic Pope Show didn't have that to me.
>you can have one too!
but my interpretation is that they made an annoyingly vague vanity show for an actor to try to win an award and never bothered finishing the fucking story, hoping people would just say "it's open to interpretation."

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>>82560039
Nice

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>>82560991
Have you seen Sorrentino's other stuff? His body of work gives an insight into how he presents stuff on screen, it might help with interpretations.

You can say that it's annoying and that the magic pope show didn't seem like it was open to interpretation - that's literally you're interpretation. You're perfectly right to go with auteur theory here if you want. I feel like the show uses the idea of faith as a metaphoric bedrock, and because faith in and of itself is an interpretation, the show can be as well.


But yknow whatever - I'm not good at the kino

>>82560991
I think you are the worst pleb I've seen in this god forsaken board

>>82560208

>He didn't basically send Cardinal Dussolier to his death by the Cartel leader

Yeah ok

The threads have been ruined ever since the Americans had a chance to watch this kino. They're truly the plebs of /tv/

>>82560646

>too vague and self-important and meandering and crammed with probably a bunch of shit that you have to be a catholicfag to know what they're alluding to

This is exactly the response that producers are alluding to when they say, "It is too complex for American viewers". In the rest of the world, you don't actually have to be a Catholic to know a few things about Catholicism, for example, and you don't watch a character go through the arc of a Greek tragedy and scratch your head while saying, "Yeah but why didn't anything happen? Who was the bad guy? Did he die?".

>>82560991
stop posting you fucking idiot

>>82558205
part of the holy trinity of kino-this, sopranos, and wire

>>82561084
he tells him not to go you retard

>>82560917
then what was the whole gestalt?
>>82560925
so how much of the show relied on knowing all the catholic fan canon?

And I can definitely appreciate that there was a recurring "absence" motif, the biggest imo that you didn't mention was his refusal to be a public figure etc.
>He had the love of God with him all along even if He wasn't present.
So basically he's an atheist saint? When did he convert back to believing after he was established in the first half as not really believing?
>>82560948
Born in 87. Not an argument faggot.
>>82560957
>redditors
You're a cringey nigger that's going to die alone and bitter if I see you irl I'm going to garrotte you with razer wire and face fuck your neck hole and my cum is going to shoot out of your mouth you bug fucking faggot. Then I'm going to stomp on your face until it concaves and throw your fat body into the sea.

>>82560991
>Is the whole show about narcissism? Is that the point of having him basically scare everyone away from him while surrounding him with enablers that call him magic?
Do you just ask the first thing it comes through your head? Just throwing random shit to pretend the show doesn't make sense instead of you being almost clinically retarded and cannot deal with a show that doesn't spoonfeds you every single plot point despite having clear character arcs and great themes to guide you through it?

>>82561218
You're dumb and fat

>>82558205

Shit was pretentious as fuck. One of the only shows I dropped so fast.

I can get why /tv/ would like it.

>>82561153
>wire
fuck off nigger

>>82561269
Another amerifat

>>82561283

Not American, nice try.

Tell me, /tv/, Lazio or Napoli?

>>82561283
HURR DURR IF YOU DON'T LIKE THIS SHOW YOU MUST BE AMERICAN

Australian here. The Young Pope is pleb-tier.

>>82561218
fucking hell anon, how can you be so retarded at your age?

>>82561300
Another fat in any case

>>82561308
>implying theres a difference

>>82561308
>Australian

Even worse.

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>>82561269
shoo shoo amerikanec

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>>82561303

Neither

>>82561308

I'm Australian and this guy is lying, nobody here is this much of a pleb and can still afford internet capable of transmitting text.

>>82561218
cringe

>>82561218
>so how much of the show relied on knowing all the catholic fan canon?
Nothing, God is definitely silent in all religions. Catholics just write Encyclicals about it
>So basically he's an atheist saint?
At first. God gives you and not asks in return, not even faith in the case of Lenny. Lenny says that he doesn't believe in Him but that he's not talking about His existence, which he knows for sure to be real, but His ability to be a good force in the world basically. He's knows God is real but he's still angry about his parents leaving him alone. In the end he understands a little more and becomes a little more worthy of the almost one-sided love God has for him

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>>82561303
Roma

>>82561080
>I'M SO SMART I GET THE SHOW SO MUCH I UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING ABOUT IT TO SUCH AN EXTENT THAT WHEN A PERSON ASKS REASONABLE QUESTIONS ABOUT IT I TALK SHIT AND WHINE ABOUT HOW THEY'RE QUESTIONING ME BECAUSE I'M ACTUALLY TOO THICK TO HAVE AN ANSWER AND I'VE JUST BEEN PRETENDING TO "GET IT" BECAUSE IT MAKES ME FEEL SMART.
>>82561079
>Have you seen Sorrentino's other stuff?
Nope. Is it all catholicfag shit?
>You can say that it's annoying and that the magic pope show didn't seem like it was open to interpretation - that's literally you're interpretation.
Of course it's open to interpretation. My interpretation isn't that it's uninterpretable, my criticism is that there was clearly an author's intent but I think it was muddied and the story wasn't satisfactorily resolved. The back half of the episodes kind of grinded the narrative to a halt and then the show was over.
>>82561147
kys dipshit.

>>82561308
>The Young Pope is pleb-tier.
It truly is but not in the way to think it is

>>82561218

>30 years old
>knows nothing about the religion that shaped the western world
>depends on exposition to determine meaning in film
>threatens anonymous strangers on the internet, telling himself he's being ironic when he's really just stroking his tiny e-peen to keep from crying

Don't be like anon here.

>>82561441
Here you go

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKUKWTkf5vs

Remember that scene where at the end they had to explain to the americans what Greenland was? That dancing was kino/3.14

https://youtu.be/isgydm69YLE

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Her dancing at the end is bliss.

I'm kind of mixed on it.

I really enjoyed the characters, even though I disagree with their ideology in a number of places, I can understand why they are this way and they become really sympathetic interesting by the end.

Then there's, "I'm sexy and I know it."

>>82561528
>>82561529
HIVE MIND

>>82561529
A E S T H E T I K I N O

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNlfy82h81Y

What is more beautiful, my love? Love lost or love found? Don't laugh at me, my love. I know it, I'm awkward and naive when it comes to love, and I ask questions straight out of a pop song. This doubt overwhelms me and undermines me, my love. To find... .or to lose? All around me, people don't stop yearning. Did they lose or did they find? I can't say. An orphan has no way of knowing. An orphan lacks a first love. The love for his mama and papa. That's the source of his awkwardness, his naiveté. You said to me, on that deserted beach in California, "you can touch my legs." But I didn't do it. There, my love, is love lost. That's why I've never stopped wondering, since that day: where have you been? Where you are now?
And you, shining gleam of my misspent youth, did you lose or did you find? I don't know. And I will never know. I can't even remember your name, my love. And I don't have the answer. But this is how I like to imagine it, the answer. In the end, my love, we have no choice. We have to find.

>>82561125
>This is exactly the response that producers are alluding to when they say, "It is too complex for American viewers".
when you can't handle criticism for your vagua directionless plot blame the audience got it.
> In the rest of the world, you don't actually have to be a Catholic to know a few things about Catholicism
I'm not American and I understand the basics of Catholicism. I've been to the Vatican. I've seen a Pope. I'm well travelled. Sorry if I don't know OT-VIII level deep lore that apparently explains how a do-nothing show is secretly deep
>and you don't watch a character go through the arc of a Greek tragedy and scratch your head while saying, "Yeah but why didn't anything happen?
BECAUSE THINGS HAPPEN IN GREEK TRAGEDY. NOBODY STABBED THEIR FUCKING EYES OUT WITH CLOTHING ACCESSORIES IN THE NEW POPE.

The soundtrack is god tier, truly blessed.

>prays to save some random woman
>prays to get rid of a nun
>prays to make a woman get pregnant
>prays to get elected
>doesn't pray to save Spencer's, his father figure, life

Why was Lenny such an asshole

>>82561550
>Then there's, "I'm sexy and I know it."
Which is a touch of absolute genius. They throw you this montage about the vanity and shallowness of the Pope, dressing up while listening that shit, and immediatly after they show you giving a speech about shutting the church to the masses and going back to the middle ages with a dreary, somber music in the background.

Juxtaposition is the name of the game

>>82561616

>I'm not American and I understand the basics of Catholicism

Clearly not, you insecure little babyman

It's ok, not everyone can have good taste, it would defeat the point

>>82561687
What's the purpose in undermining the Pope so much?

Every other episode he does something silly or vain, and acts smug about it, or indignant at his failure.

>>82561666
He, like most men, secretly resented his 'father'.

>>82561616
But we already gave you the themes and subtexts, a lot of stuff happens, the characters change, the Church change. Fuck some characters die, others get exiled. What do you want? Explosions or dragons or Iron Man fighting a robot or something? If you still think this is a "do-nothing" show then you're deliberately obtuse or just too pleb for this

>>82561728
Almost like hes human and all humans are imperfect sinners

>>82558371
Bait

>>82561550
vanity is a major part of the Church since public image is important in world spanning religious institutions and an interesting paradox in Christianity which portrays it as a sin.

>>82561819
He has literal God powers to smite people and heal the sick.

>>82561728
He's arrogant. He thinks by shutting the doors of the church people would love God the same way he loves his parents, who also ghosted him when he was a kid. He thinks he's going to save the church by doing this and you need to look the faces of the cardinals and listen to the music and the general athmosphere of the scene to know he's fucking it up, although he's too proud to realize it

>>82561238
>Do you just ask the first thing it comes through your head?
Sure. Do you find yourself unwilling to use critical thinking strategies a lot? I thought the show was open to interpretation. If no interpretation is wrong than I interpret the show to be about delusional narcissistic self-importance, which may explain why the people that like it do.
>spoonfeds
lol I'm explicitly asking for all you based know-everything anons to spoonfeed it, and you've clearly demonstrated that you can't. Which is why you're flailing around and attacking me instead of actually demonstrating that you know anything at all.
>>82561249
I weigh 150 and I've taken 4 clinical IQ tests, one of which was a little higher than my current weigh.
>>82561309
Said the person that can't actually explain what the show is about.
>ANYONE THAT ASKS QUESTIONS IS DUMB ASKING QUESTIONS IS FOR IDIOTS I JUST CONFIDENTLY MAKE THINGS UP AND NEVER LOOK BACK.
>>82561379
can't explain shit.
>>82561388
>Nothing, God is definitely silent in all religions.
So it's about how to be religious when the thing you believe in doesn't exist. Got it.
>God gives you and not asks in return
Other than that you're born cursed and you have to pledge your soul to him and give money to his enforcers and you're told that doing the things you're biologically hardwired to do is evil.
>In the end he understands a little more and becomes a little more worthy of the almost one-sided love God has for him
But he's still sent everyone else fleeing from the church. He's still a hardline dickhead that doesn't make public appearances at the end, good for him that he feels a little bit more worthy but he's the fucking Pope. He's the shephard and he's abandoned his sheep. It's a show about a Young Pope, and he acts like a shitty Pope the entire show, but oh he feels better about himself and like one person heard his nice speech at the end.

>>82561728
How was he undermined? I didn't feel it at all. Lenny is a saint and as such not really a human being, through the course of the season he learned to understand and love humans more. I didn't feel at all that silly stuff undermined him, it's just who he was, the good with the bad.
>>82561666
Spencer was saved on his deathbed, he wanted peace/to accept god/whatever he needed he didn't need to live more to get that.

>>82558371
>WAH I'M AN ATHEIST POPE

He isn't though as he explained later on.

You know that the show is good when character's statement needs a nuanced explanation in order to make people understand it, most of the schlock has only a surface level of "muh revenge" characters that never even considered to truly understand themselves and what guides them. Lenny on the other hand through self-inquiry understood that just saying "i believe" is superficial and irresponsible. The world is filled with superficial stuff as it is.
>>82561910

He changed through the season though, it's beneficial to look at lenny as a man with a very rough and flawed plan who occasionally gets lucky but in any case does what he thinks is right at the moment even if his thoughts end up being shit.

>>82561866
No, God has those powers. He loves Lenny so much that He answers his prayers, even though Lenny is a sinner that even doubts His existence. (Hint: Lenny is a metaphor for all people)

>>82561477
>edgy faggot teenager
>can't explain what the show is about
>attacks the person question it
>tells himself the person referencing American Psycho as a goof at a redditor is serious

>Don't be like anon here.
I could never be like you. You're retarded.

>>82558205
Bad.

>>82561916
Go tip your fedora elsewhere

>>82560702
You can buy reddits?

>>82561916
>So it's about how to be religious when the thing you believe in doesn't exist. Got it.
Doesn't answer. Obviously if you can't even read, TYP is a little bit above your level
>But he's still sent everyone else fleeing from the church. He's still a hardline dickhead that doesn't make public appearances at the end, good for him that he feels a little bit more worthy but he's the fucking Pope. He's the shephard and he's abandoned his sheep. It's a show about a Young Pope, and he acts like a shitty Pope the entire show, but oh he feels better about himself and like one person heard his nice speech at the end.
He literally gives a speech in front in plain daylight in the last episode. He literally says he's changing his ideas about homosexuals. He says he's softening all the ideas he lays out in the speech before the cardinals. He knows he's done all those things you say but by the end he has changed. For good. And that's why he's worthy. After changing. I hope you get it now anon because I feel like I'm talking to a fucking child. It's character development, also the world has grown fond of him by then because of the love letter. Fuck sake mate just watch the fucking show

>>82562091
>in front of the masses*

>>82561708
>still not making any attempt to explain what the show is about
I thought it was visually pretty good and a lot of the dialogue was funny and well written. I'm asking what the fucking point was and the only thing you can muster is to impotently talk shit.
>>82561811
>What do you want?
A meaningful ending. His policies that led the one wannabe-priest to kill himself are still happening at the end. He's still basically killing the Catholic church at the end by radicalizing it and scaring away all the fairweather catholics. Everything that he does is terrible for his followers, and he's still doing all that shit at the end. Oh but thank God the closing arc of the show is about his lackeys deciding he's a Saint.

And like, that whole plot with the dickhead holding the love letters for years depended entirely on his character not having bothered to fucking read them. That's just stupid.
>If you still think this is a "do-nothing" show then you're deliberately obtuse or just too pleb for this
Gotta do something for 10 hours.

>>82561910
but there's already a lot of evidence to suggest that he alone understands the key to the church's revival. He has better perception than the cardinals and is very emphatic.

>>82562191
>A meaningful ending
Well then you're going to love The Young Pope (2016) then

>>82558205
Rips off mad men

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>all the plebs in this thread

>>82558205
>How good is The Young Kino
top tier

Which young would you pope?

by young I mean milf

>>82561368
fuck off cunt and go to bed

>>82558949
Agreed. Both shows have an aesthetic that I have never seen topped. I'm not sure if I can describe it without sounding completely pretentious, but it's like every shot (in both shows) could be a painting.

I was thinking of watching it but it's pretty much 50:50 ITT on whether it's good or bad so I won't.

>>82558949
>>82562488
Is Hannibal really that good? I watched a few episodes (I think I dropped it when they find some serial killer who makes angels with the flesh of his victims, I think it was) and it seemed too procedural for me but I love The Young Kino and I'm digging American Gods too

>>82562091
>Doesn't answer.
Doesn't answer. Doesn't exist. Same diff.

Fair enough point about the end I misremembered there being people there if there where.
>It's character development, also the world has grown fond of him by then because of the love letter.
Yeah because that's plausible. Dude made one public appearance using a wrestlemania voice, flipped out and hasn't been seen since while he takes the church policies back a few centuries and scares away everyone away but oh he wrote some letters at some point that makes up for him being a lunatic.

And again, the New York Bishop having never bothered to read the letters was just stupid writing. The entire letters subplot was fucking poorly executed.
>Fuck sake mate just watch the fucking show
I did. It looked great and had well written dialogue but the overall experience was a fucking chore.

But there is one thing I may have totally misinterpreted, which is that I thought it was a one-off mini-series. Now I just looked and AV club is calling it season 1. The primary frustration I had, other than most of the creative choices the writers made out the gate, was that it was an unsatisfying conclusion to the story. So egg on my face if it goes 5 seasons and blows minds. As a standalone story I don't think it was worth the time.

>>82562029
kys. heaven awaits.

>>82562404
business milf like most french women has some crazy foot game.

>>82562509
It is a character drama where most of plot revolves around character interactions with one another, with themselves and the contemporary world around them with Catholic imagery.

>>82562537
>Is Hannibal really that good?
yeah breddy good. Gets less procedural once it gets going and niggas keep getting put in the crazy jail and shit. Plus it has such a distinct aesthetic that is weirdly comfy and unsettling at the same time.

>>82562191
>His policies that led the one wannabe-priest to kill himself are still happening at the end. He's still basically killing the Catholic church at the end by radicalizing it and scaring away all the fairweather catholics. Everything that he does is terrible for his followers, and he's still doing all that shit at the end.
But the discussion about the future of Catholic Church and wheter it should head in conswrvative or liberal direction is literally happening in real life in Europe right now, the show just explored the concept. Maybe you dont have the cultural code to get that theme since youre American and dont have much connection to Church

>>82562546
It's time to stop posting son

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>>82562537
Hannibal is fantastic. For the first two seasons NBC insisted it was a CRIMINAL OF THE WEEK show, and the way they do that is fantastic. The season 2 finale was the best kino I've ever seen. Season 3 itself is a massive wanky experimental piece of art and I love it. Get through the first season and by half way through s2 they drop killer of the week and you get the awesome Mason Verger plot.

pic related

>>82562032

Apparently since all the related subs are set to private. I read a while back HBO took them over so it wouldn't get spoiled because of the delay between European & American viewers

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>>82562844
>TRAN SUB STAN TI AAAAATION

>>82562723
lol after I'm done posting and resolve 2 of the primary issues I had "it's time to stop posting"
>Maybe you dont have the cultural code to get that theme since youre American
lol le cultured eurofag. Probably been to more of Europe than you have dipshit.

And did you actually think pointing out that there's a real world issue connected to that plot issue is some deep "cultural" understanding? Of course the debate over the direction of the church is happening irl, dipshit. What isn't happening is a pope trying to make the church go back to the 1400's.
> and dont have much connection to Church
You could have just said that you self important cultist. Sorry I was raised by secular doctors that didn't indoctrinate me with a bunch of old memes.

>>82562712
meant for
>>82562893

>>82562811
>is your social worker inside that horse?

>>82562546
>Yeah because that's plausible.

it is. It happened in my country

>>82562546
>And again, the New York Bishop having never bothered to read the letters was just stupid writing.

But he did read them. just not all of them. He assumed that what he read would continue in the others.

>>82562917
Do you understand what "exploring the concept" means, or do burgers really take everything literally?

>>82562952
What did? You had a crazy Pope that pissed everyone off but then a bitter Bishop gave some notes he read to a journalist without reading them and then everyone read them and they liked the Pope after that? That happened in your country?

>>82563007
No, we had a politician who everybody hated (cheated on his wife, embezzled...), but then after the elections that he lost he retired and wrote a letter to all the people. It was from the heart and his popularity rose again.

>>82563007
Is this satire or are you that retarded?

>>82562917
You really think that ban on abortion and gay priests is some medieval stance? Holy fuck pal, those are literally from XXth century, along with masses in latin. Lenny wasnt as radical as you think

>>82562997
>Do you understand what "exploring the concept" means
My question, at the onset, was WHAT WAS THE POINT BEING MADE? ALL THE CONCEPTUAL EXPLORING, BUT TO WHAT END?

Nobody is impressed by your ability to notice when something is "exploring" an obvious concept. That's something you self-important tryhard teenagers are struggling to handle here apparently.
>or do burgers really take everything literally?
The entire thread has been me asking people to explain what they thought was the underlying meaning of the subtext. And primarily what I've gotten is dipshit children evidencing their inability to answer while telling themselves how special they are. Like what you're doing.

I get it. You're not that smart but you want to be. Nothing wrong with being a zero-sum tryhard. Who knows. Maybe you can fake it til you make it.

>>82562993
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>>82563073
I don't care about how relatively conservative you think his shit was, it was established over and over in the narrative of the show that what he was doing was insanely conservative by the other characters standards, and it was severely hurting the Church and having observable negative impacts on characters in the story.

I'm not the one that said he was reviving centuries old shit, the show said that.

ITT: One autist, post after post, proving to be deeply stupid, unable to grasp the most simple aspects or symbols, and questioning things that for brained people are understood and grasped without any difficulty

Many such cases on /tv/

>>82563275
Most of the things Pius brings back were standard Catholic practice prior to the 1950s.

>>82563275
>severely hurting the Church
It wasnt. Not everyone thinks Church should be inclusive, some think it should be for the most devoted, like Lenny. People leaving church only strengten it in their opinion, because those who leave are of weak faith. Its a matter or opinion and your own relation to the Church

>>82563321
ITT: A bunch of catholicfag autists that can't articulate actual answers to basic devil's advocate questions about their fan fiction trash other than impotent ad hominems and self-aggrandizing.

I bet your brain is so big bro.

>>82563433
What questions? Write them again and I'll answer them for ya sug

>>82563433
One doesn't need to be catholic to not be a retard like you.

>>82563200
It was meant to show how much of the influence on church pope has. Sorentino said that before Francis was pope, he wanted to write Lenny as extremely liberal pope, to show contrast with real one. The show does not give you answers, because there are no objectively true ones, nor does it show ceeators point of view on the matter. It makes you ask to question of what Church and its relation oto faithful is and should be yourself. You were not raised catholic so the question is meaningless to you, thats the cultural code I was talking about

>>82563321
>55 posters

what

I watched all the way up to his speech before the cardinals. It just felt like it was a good place to stop and I wasn't interested in finding out what happens next.

Jude Law was great, I'm just not as interested in Catholic political drama as I thought. Maybe I burned myself out by watching Silence around the same time.

>>82560039
Brutal. Will americucks ever recover?

>>82563680
Good point. I also watched them near each other and felt it was too much cath-related media.

btw, The Young Pope > Silence

>>82563492
>>82563492
nah I already bowed out a while ago. Don't really give a shit. Show was self-important cult propaganda and iamverysmart b8 clearly and I've been "shitting" for way too long at this point.
>>82563504
T. Catholicfag
>>82563511
This is a fair enough answer. the show is vague and pointless and ultimately underwhelming because catholicism is. Nevermind I take it all back the show is genius.

Shitposting aside I thought the show was ok. Most of the plot threads had frustrating aspects. From my godless heathen production industry and screenwriting pov it came off as superficial and self-important. And every catholic I know recommended it so I fully get that there's a "cultural code" I'm not getting but you're a delusional faggot if you think that has anything to do with Americans. Have you even been to America? We're brimming with christfags and their propaganda fiction about how to have faith in something that "doesn't answer back."

>>82563055
>No, we had a politician who everybody hated (cheated on his wife, embezzled...), but then after the elections that he lost he retired and wrote a letter to all the people. It was from the heart and his popularity rose again.
weak minded people falling for a stupid campaign by a spin doctor

>>82563870
>Show was self-important cult propaganda

what? Just how did you come to that conclusion?

>>82563870
you could have just said that you were bias going in and there was nothing that would have changed your mind that this show was good.

>>82563433
>only Catholics can enjoy this show

You've outted yourself as a pleb

>>82559031
kek

>>82563433
Just not be stupid and you'll enjoy it just fine

>>82564169
But I wasn't biased going in I don't have really anything against religion or religious people. Just being a dick for shitposting porpoises.

But when the thematic subtext of the story depends on you being religious or having been religious to appreciate, you should probably have a more meaningful or interesting surface plot as well.

I wasn't biased going in but I'll totally admit that I was close as fuck to dropping the shit after his first speech and reveal that he's an insane fundamentalist. Having the end hint at him being willing to soften his stance after everyone sucks his dick about how much of a saint he is wasn't enough for me to make up for the frustration of watching some radical autistic asshole that doesn't even have faith make everyone miserable.

If they made a spin-off called The Young Imam that followed the exact same narrative plot and was shot by the exact same crew but about muslims none of you "cultured" european fucks would be unironically memeing about how great it is.

>>82564812
>If they made a spin-off called The Young Imam that followed the exact same narrative plot and was shot by the exact same crew but about muslims none of you "cultured" european fucks would be unironically memeing about how great it is.
This is nonsense in so many levels.
But whatever, I won't try explaining again, you proved you don't get a lot of things, not only this show

>>82563433
actually I can almost guarantee most catholics would absolutely despise this show.

>>82560039
This post is why Europe will ALWAYS be greater than America

>>82564812
>But I wasn't biased going in I don't have really anything against religion or religious people. Just being a dick for shitposting porpoises.

Well from what I assume were your posts it came across like you already made up your mind before going in. When the show was airing in Europe we had quite a few shitposters that claimed were atheists and only came into the thread to shitpost

>>82564812
>some radical autistic asshole

lol if you think he's radical.

>>82564812
>If they made a spin-off called The Young Imam that followed the exact same narrative plot and was shot by the exact same crew but about muslims none of you "cultured" european fucks would be unironically memeing about how great it is.

Because Islam is a part of Europe, but Christianity is not right?

>>82565105
>Because Islam is a part of Europe, but Christianity is not right?
What? Are you retarded? You eurofags like it because it's your majority religion.
>>82565062
I do and he was and that was the entire point of the first half of the narrative. You apparently being an extremist faggot doesn't change that.
>>82565016
>Well from what I assume were your posts it came across like you already made up your mind before going in.
Yeah, on this thread I made up my mind I would farm some (you)s. I actually did pick up some interesting things to think about buried under all the autistic screeching.

And I went into The New Pope actually pretty excited about it, based on the recommendation of my (happens to be Catholic) friend. I liked the visuals, I liked how they established him in the scene where the cooks made him everything and he was an abrasive dick. I even appreciated the feint they did where they show him daydreaming about being super liberal then pull the rug out when he actually does give his back2fundamentals speech. But then it was a lot of episodes where they talk about how much of a dick he is and he wanders around smoking and being weird and a few things happen that make him soften up a little and then everyone dies or leaves and they call him a saint and he gives an optimi

>>82564975
you don't know many catholics

>>82564936
>This is nonsense in so many levels.
Yeah totally nonsense. Brown dude crawls out of a pile of brown babies. Youngest Imam ever will he lead his followers into the future? Oop, nope, he's preaching antiquated fundamentalism shit and being an abrasive dick and wandering around smoking cigarettes and being weird. Same same but muslim.

>>82565421
I like it because I grew up with it. I live 5 minutes away from a church and a cemetery. I live in that part of the town where the majority is either old or young. There's no in between. So growing up I spent quite some time being taught about religion. + I agree with a lot of this popes points, and I don't like the current real life pope

>>82565421
Imams aren't like popes. Remember, there is only 1 pope to over a billion catholics.

>>82565421
>I do and he was and that was the entire point of the first half of the narrative. You apparently being an extremist faggot doesn't change that.

He would have been radical if he would have said he wanted to kill all gays. He just wanted to ban them from the church. Nothing wrong with that. If you think that's radical they what would you say about my country who banned gays from adopting children and marrying eachother

>>82560039
I'm an American but even I admit the American critical response to the show was fucking retarded
>Hurr Wut? It's not House of Cards with crosses? I don't like it
>Hurr Wut? It sometimes portrays Catholicism and conservative theology in a positive light? I don't like it

I just DL first season.
Was kinda on the fence but I always see here huge praise, I honestly can't see a life of one pope as something remotely dramatic, and I live 2 hours drive from Vatican.
And even now i feel kinda mneh(literally saw only scene where he crawls under the babies)watch but HBO + Jude Law will help me power through my suspicion.
What episode is THE one that hooks you into story?
I'm capable to endure 2-3 episodes if slowburner or great payoff.
What worries me ,its not Downtown Abbey type,because I can't stand those types of shows.

>>82562835
Who knew these companies even gave a shit about Reddit

>>82565944
episode 10 did it for me

>>82565944
*
Fuck , did I had to proofread my post first.
Short version
>is .it like downtown abbey?
>what ep hooks you?

>>82565759
No shit Imams aren't like Popes but since Islam doesn't have a single figurehead you get my fucking point. If you made a show about the most powerful imam or cleric in the world called The Young Imam and at the end of the first episode he's preaching fundamental radical shit you'd have fucking D R O P P E D that shit immediately.
>>82565760
>He would have been radical if he would have said he wanted to kill all gays
A: You're arguing semantics.
B: The word you're thinking of is extremist.
C: I'm not sure how you arguing about the pope's relative radicality is an argument.

Regardless of your understanding of words he was acting radically by the standards of the narrative. The entire point was that he was taking the church down a radically conservative path.
>If you think that's radical they what would you say about my country who banned gays from adopting children and marrying eachother
I'm sorry you live in a conservative religious nanny state anon but I fail to see what you being disadvantaged and stupid has to do with anything.

And I'd say you're acting willingly stupid but I don't think that's the case unfortunately. His fundamentalism was established by the speech in the first episode, that they included the gay priest rule was an example of the effect he was causing. Did they not have good subtitles in your backwoods gook country or do you have a problem comprehending how words work?

>>82566017
You trolling?
Can you mention one show that's most like TYP?

ABSOLUTE
KINO

only plebeians disagree

This show was great, anyone who says otherwise is a troll

>>82566075
>I'm sorry you live in a conservative religious nanny state

Slovenia is a liberal shithole anon. We are the Sweden of the Eastern Europe

>>82559471

jude law is fantastic. v underrated

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>>82566213
>We are the Sweden of the Eastern Europe
Being the shiniest piece of shit in the trash pile isn't that impressive tbphwyf

>>82566324
unlike you we are white...

>>82558205
IM BEING ARCH the show

.....a shit.

>>82560640
It's not our fault, it's the leftist media. They will unanimously praise anything showing blacks in a positive light (e.g., Get Out and Hamilton).

>>82566343
lol
>it's a euronigger says he's whiter than a blonde german WASP webisode.

Bet you haven't even had any skin cancer cut off yet you brown trashperson.

>>82566089
>You trolling?
yes, I liked the cinematography from the start.
I started liking the story from ep.3 onward when he bests Voiello, the secretary of state, and declares his intentions to be conservatively aligned.
My favourite was ep.8 when he visits Africa

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>>82566075

>>82566425
Get Out was really good and Hamilton was amazing though.

Only faggots that don't like it are triggered sjw-right cucks.

>>82558205
Arguably the best TV series made in the last decade.

>>82560208
He didn't kill her, he asked God to deal with her like she deserved.

>board is filled with capeshit threads
>same board didn't like the best TV show of the year and probably the best since Mad Men ended
Really makes me think

>>82558205
*tip fedora*
m'ladies

fedora+plebbit/10

>>82560288
I'd add Better Call Saul and Fargo to that piece of shit list too. Young Pope was an oasis in this desert of "prestige" television.

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>>82566502
>it's a anon pretends he's white when in reality he's a mexican

>>82560039
BRAVISSIMO SORRENTINO

>>82567301
At least include the quoted post

>>82567506
nah

>>82566075
>by the speech in the first episode
the made up speech in his dream?

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>>82567301
For one thing it's cute that you don't understand that 90% of /tv/ anons are white males.

Also cute that hoping I'm not a white person was the only comeback you can think of to defend the mountain of shit country you slithered out of.

Also cute how you just copied the greentext bit I did because you're THAT uncreative.

You are of a dirty mud people of little significance. Your country's largest export is dead eyed prostitutes that do butt stuff. You can watch our entertainment. You can meme on our korean lacrosse image boards. You can speak our fucking language.

But you'll never be white.

>>82568349
lol

>>82560400
>>82560288
The Young Pope and The Leftovers are equally good.

>>82560456
I honestly don't get how someone can like The Young Pope and not like The Leftovers or vice versa when both shows are maximum spiritual kino.

>>82569040
>>82569227
The Young Pope is everything that The Leftovers wants to be. The Leftovers is vapid nonsense.

>>82560991
>american interpretation of the show

>>82561122
>we will never experience the glory of 2016 TYP threads again.

>>82568349
t. Juanito Hernandez Jones

I still can't get over the number of idiot American critics who thought the whole with was a Trump allegory.

>/tv/ hates TYP now

what the fuck

>>82569905
The majority like it

>>82569905
Idiot fedora Americans don't like it, and they're quite vociferous about it for obvious reasons. Unfortunately it does mean we can't return to the glory days of TYP threads.

>>82561269
>pretentious

I have never seen something as earnest, sincere and unpretentious as this show. Fuck off.

>>82566075
>No shit Imams aren't like Popes but since Islam doesn't have a single figurehead you get my fucking point. If you made a show about the most powerful imam or cleric in the world called The Young Imam and at the end of the first episode he's preaching fundamental radical shit you'd have fucking D R O P P E D that shit immediately
But there is nothing remotely comparable to the pope in other religions. Islam used to have caliphs, and sorta has one now but probably not for long. As for fundamental radical shit, lmao. There is no need to make a thought experiment about a radical imam because the vast majority of them are already radical. I think a lot of the idea of this show is ponder how much a single man's character can shape the church. The pope is simply a tier above any other religious authority figure in this respect.

>>82566324
>sweden of Eastern Europe
>assuming this was meant as praise
I know the insult is so overused as to be meaningless, but you should seriously go back to fucking reddit, nigger

>>82570284
>But there is nothing remotely comparable to the pope in other religions.

What about the Dalai Lama in Buddhism or the Japanese Emperor in Shintoism?

>Islam used to have caliphs, and sorta has one now but probably not for long.

And even then it's not quite the same, since ISIS only makes up a tiny percentage of the world's Muslims. They're like evil Mormons.

>>82569905
>some faggot or troll makes a post
>some faggots or trolls shit on a good show
>/tv/ is one person and that person changed their mind

damn this show was good. maybe i should rewatch it.

>>82570375
>dalai lama to buddhism
He is the Tibbetan equivalent of the Iranian ayatollah. A national post with some cultural significance in a very loose religion, not real executive power in the biggest organized religion around
>Japanese emperor
Japanese nation and religion are so closely intertwined you can't view them as separate. Not to mention the order of magnitude difference in scale and locality.
>ISIS tiny percentage
Yes, hence why I said "kinda"
>only ISIS are radicals
The vast majority of muslims would be considered radical by the yardstick used in the west. Well, the old one before it got buried by politics.

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>>82561916
>I weigh 150 and I've taken 4 clinical IQ tests, one of which was a little higher than my current weigh

Holy fucking shit dude and you say you're 30 years old while posting this /r/cringe material?

Why are people claiming it was incredibly complicated or that it relied on previous knowledge of Catholic teachings to be understandable?

For me it was quite the opposite really. The creators' understanding of the papal infallibility was incredibly wrong, simplified pop-version of it. The Church social teaching was again reduced to just getting involved in people's sex life, while in reality it's so much richer. I'd love the pope to restate the older Catholic teachings on how charging interest is a sin, how capitalism isn't the prescribed Catholic economical model, and how liberal democracy isn't the preferred form of government. For instance in his conversation with the Italian prime minister.

That said, the show itself was 10/10.

>>82563680
>Catholic political drama

When will this meme die? Are americans this stupid?

>>82570375
>>82570583
>Japanese emperor
Actually, I gave it a bit more thought and I now think that this could make a quite comparable show. "The Young Emperor" coming to power, finding his nation in a slow state of social and moral decay, deciding to take up powers long thought given up and evoking laws deemed obsolete in order to try and reach some sort of salvation. The best part is, it has sorta happened with the Meiji restoration. Though since I am not a weeb I really don't know how much of that was Meiji's doing, and how much was just the machinations of the Japanese powers-that-be trying to adjust to a newly industrial world

>>82558205
He fuckoing Looks like Sam neilson, he's got the balding head too

Eh eheh

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>>82570594
I'm glad someone appreciated that.

also back to redddit uuuu

>>82565944
>What episode is THE one that hooks you into story?
It's not that kind of show. The hook is the writing, acting, themes, visuals, music, etc

>>82566892
Same board talks shit about The Leftovers :(

>>82558205
>watch the second ep
Holy shit. Is Lenny a Lawfag?

>>82569409
This is objectively 100% wrong.

>>82570968
>>82571014
This board loves the Leftovers, and hates The Young Pope. That's all you need to know.

>>82571055
That is wrong too. And both are excellent shows. You can't talk shit about something you haven't seen so fuck off.

>>82571106
The Leftovers is pretentious shit from the writer of Prometheus that has absolutely nothing unique to say about existentialism or spirituality and presents its pseudo-profundity in the most portentous irritating way imaginable.

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>tfw actually thought the show was pretty good but am addicted to (you)s

>>82571246
It's not pretentious and I guess you haven't seen anything past season one so I won't take your opinion on what it has to offer on spirituality seriously. Arguably it deals way more on spirituality than TYP.

>>82571246
Also, citing the creator's past bad MOVIE work as argument for it being bad is retarded as fuck.

literally perfect

>>82571458
I'd love to hear your argument how an empty exercise in nihilism from the writer of Lost "deals way more on spirituality than TYP," but I don't think you could begin to formulate one.

>>82560988

>A lot of people who talk about this show seem to not really understand Catholicism

The "Young Catholic Generation" reviews pretty much spend all their time bitching about how the show doesn't perfectly represent catholic dogma and how they are triggered by the characters having flaws like real human beings.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toIveGPzL3s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0akdjG-cgB0

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This show has a lot of frames that would work perfectly as wallpapers.

Does anyone have some?

>>82571784
It's not nihilism (at least not only that) and I won't because you wouldn't understand it since you haven't actually seen the show and there's no point in discussing it seriously with someone who thinks "b-but muh Lindelof" equals serious criticism. Just stop calling shit something you don't know anything about.

>>82572077
That's a great argument. I loved the part where you assumed I haven't watched any of the show and also where the series based off a book that was a metaphor for the reaction to 9/11 isn't an exploration of nihilism.

>>82572258
I assume you don't watch the show since you have no idea what you're talking about and you wouldn't be saying such stupid things about it. And just because season one was adapted from the book doesn't mean the entire show shares its purpose, obviously.

>>82571784
>some characters are nihilistic so the show is nihilistic

lel

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>>82560039
americircumcised butthurt incoming

>>82572386
>exercise in nihilism

>>82561916
>4 clinical IQ tests

Please find somebody who cares, or go jerk yourself off in /gif/

>>82574162
>being this jelly

REEE

stop making fun of americans

its not my fault my country is 300 million people big of course theres going to be a lot of retards.

TYP is the first good television since mad men

>>82560105
what? If you watched all the way to episode 8 and don't already at least like the show what is going to change?

>>82561153
>the wire
does not belong anywhere near the other two.

Its the rick and morty of the mid 2000's

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What did they mean by this?

>>82574837
bet you were born in the mid 2000s you contrarian faggot

>>82575176
>contrarian
what a pathetic defense lol.

since you have no argument I have won the debate. The wire is confirmed shit

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>>82575368
>since you have no argument I have won the debate
lol there's no winners here m8

and you never made an argument.

was I right though? Bet I was you mewling tryhard.

>>82575519
I'm sorry sir but the debate is over.

Me:1
You:0

The wire is confirmed garbage.

>>82574724
>not The Leftovers

>>82571784
stop trying so hard