Stephen Fry investigated by police for alleged blasphemy

nonce

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>>82521736

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He certainly knows a lot about boning children

>>82521736
wtf I love Stephen fry now

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>>82521736
>tfw his character in V For Vendetta was killed for heresy

>2017
>English people still exist
>gay people still exist
>atheists still exist

Why is there no cure for these problems

>>82521736
>spends his entire adult life fucking boys up the arse and doing coke
>get depressed
>wtf this is all God's fault I bet he isn't even real

Fucking nonce.

>>82521965
Pretty sure his point was that God doesn't exist because if he did he'd be a sadistic fuck and so it's good he doesn't exist.

>>82521845
>tfw his Character in V For Vendetta owns a Quran because it has "beautiful" images and "moving" poetry

>>82522031
I saw an interview once were he said he was open to the idea of the Greek Gods, sort of capricious self interested deities, but rejected the idea of an all loving one because of all the suffering in the world.

Everything Fry said was right

Defend the atrocities in the world God-Fags

>>82522170
World is hell.

>>82522170
Satan done them

God just does the nice things

>>82522123
Sounds about right. No reason to think higher plane beings wouldn't be far beyond our reasoning, understanding and morality. They would have about as much love for us as we would for microbes.

>>82521736
>Fry said if he met the Greek gods he would accept them quicker
Guess rapes fine then

>>82522031

Degenerates like Fry love to point the finger at God for being evil or sadistic for allowing evil things to happen. However they neglect to acknowledge that they themselves take great pleasure in doing evil things on a daily basis, and if God were to continuously step in and prevent them from doing their favourite evil things they'd hate Him all the more for it. The problem is not that God doesn't prevent evil from happening, the problem is mankind takes pleasure in doing evil and has no desire to stop.

>/tv/ does philosophy the thread
So much cringe, stick to your bane posting and BLACKED threads, faggots

Just as an FYI, one person filed a complaint under the blasphemy law, and has gone on record as saying he doesn't care about blasphemy. This is an attempt to call attention to an archaic and, quite frankly, embarrassing law that's left over from when the Catholic Church ran this country.

Other shitholes with similar laws often point to Ireland to defend their law, saying that if a developed country still has it, then it's not a bad law. Which is why we're pressing to get rid of it.

Ireland has undergone a bit of a social revolution as of late, we're pushing for complete separation of church and state because fuck the Church.

>>82522220

Well we all know Fry is into loving boys

So no wonder he loves the Greek Gods, they invented gayness

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>>82521736
>tfw he's literally become his character in V for Vendetta

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>>82522170
I'll sum it up as much as I can because I am lazy.
The world isn't God. Therefore the world can't be perfect and devoid of suffering. Heaven is being in the presence of God exactly because that is the only place of eternal and perfect bliss. Since the fall from grace, due to sin, we cannot find ourselves in the presence of God, because sin cannot exist in the presence of God, and having original sin + our own sins would result in us being destroyed. Btw that's pretty much what hell is, clashing of your sinful soul with the gaze of God, that ultimately brings you far from him for eternity. The sacrifice of Christ has exactly the amending and possibility of reaching heaven as goal. Through Christ, which is perfect man and perfect God, we are purified. The link to eternal bliss is reconstructed. That is why a Christian is "the body of Christ", and why the Church is also called the "bride of Christ", to signify the spiritual union with Christ, and therefore the union with perfection and eternal bliss with the abandonment of destructive sin. That also ties in with the mistery of the Eucharist, with which we re-enact on earth what happens in heaven, and at the same time we experience it already spiritually while one earth. The mass is nothing but the closest you can get to heaven on earth, and is a representation of what happens there.
This is as short as I could make it, too lazy to write further. Point is: Fry's an ignorant degenerate that likes the sound of his own voice but has literally nothing worthwile or meaningful to say. Peace.

>is into Greek gods
Fucking rich irony

>>82522213
>Sounds about right. No reason to think higher plane beings wouldn't be far beyond our reasoning, understanding and morality.

Except that Greek or Roman gods were easy to understand and reason with. They had human desires, they had human emotions, they just acted like immortal or superhuman people. Greek or Roman gods were easy to relate to because they're all based off human archetypes.

> They would have about as much love for us as we would for microbes.

Again, you're humanising God here. "Humans don't care about lesser beings, therefor God doesn't care about lesser beings." Gods being selfish, capricious or uncaring brings them down to our level because we as humans are all of those things. A God that cares unconditionally is beyond our understanding precisely because as humans we are not naturally capable of that kind of love.

>>82522235
So god alows us to be evil so we like him more? That's not the god I was taught about the one I know wouldnt ( or maybe couldn't) care at all about how we view him. You do it right or you get gamorrahed and sodomized

>>82522235
>The problem is not that God doesn't prevent evil from happening, the problem is mankind takes pleasure in doing evil and has no desire to stop.

Exactly, and the sheer quantity of bullshit spoken by secularists to try to avoid this plain and obvious truth is hilarious.

>>82522370

>So god alows us to be evil so we like him more?

wut.

No, I'm just pointing out that people like Stephen Fry do not consider the consequences of a God that always steps in to prevent evil. If suffering stopped Stephen Fry would not magically start loving God, because God would now be preventing Fry from doing all the evil things he loves to do.

>>82522265
No u

>>82522274
I agree. Time for Sharia!

>blasphemy
>illegal

This is the world we live in now. this is the world of our own creation. We are all Evil Gods for making this possible. It's not even a state/ruler being an ass, it's our own fault.

>>82522274
Yeah, actually using these laws that nobody knows and uses is to right way to go in making them change these laws that are never used irl and that most judge would laugh out of court if it wasn't for the publicity that the people trying to get these laws repel by actually using them bring with them.

>>82521965
>>82521756
>>82521796
christianity is the religion of noncehood

>UK marrige age for females was 12 years old before 1929

Christcucks will defend this

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_Marriage_Act_1929

>>82522170
in the context of eternal life and happiness, worldy suffering is equivalent to "it was just a prank bro"

>>82522580
What does the marriage age have to do with religion?

>>82522522
muslim groups were threatening to invoke it during the charlie hebdo thing so it's better to be rid of it

Tbh the God he speaks about is in a generalised fashion so it applies equally to Allah as to Yahweh, this is literal hatespeech, he has offended the muslim faith and must be punishedn

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>blasphemy forbidden under law
what the hell

if I met God I'd ask him which movie was better, Rogue One or The Force Awakens.

>>82522659
Could ask the BBC to let him do a documentary on the history of Arab world. The ten minutes of film they get before the inevitable will be very educational.

>gay pedo communist's schizo ramblings
Sorry, unable to give a fuck.

>>82522675
Ireland is still cucked by the catholic church

As such they let them influence their laws

>>82521736
This is actually atheist attention-seeking. Someone in Ireland trying to make a big song-and-dance about their blasphemy law.

>>82522690
He'll love it, considering the Arab penchant for fucking little boys.

>>82522743
I'm still waiting to see any basis for this accusation.

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>>82522675
>>82522725
It's a holdover from a bygone era. It's mandated to exist by the constitution, which can only be amended by referendum. As referenda are expensive they just pushed through a law that they don't bother to enforce. The whole point of this is that they somebody is using it to show how ridiculous it is to have in $CURRENT_YEAR in hopes of getting a referendum. Durka durka countries have been citing Ireland's blasphemy law as an excuse to have their own, real blasphemy laws.

Haha Anglo pedo contrarian btfo

Sasanach tears

>>82522764
Fry's 27year old husband not only LOOKS like a child but he USED TO BE ONE 20 years ago

Fry is a dirty fucking nonce, the evidence is plain to see

>>82522764

Look up the term "bacha bazi".

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>>82521736
Give me some FRY kino /tv/. I like what he said about god.

>>82522725

Actually its a cock up from one man

The guy who brought in the law, brought it in because he didnt want people to have a referendum on it

>>82522861
blackadder

>>82522824
Not about the Arabic world you dipshit, everyone knows that, I mean about Fry.

>>82522812
Oh right.

>>82522928

Pretty sure its Persian.

>>82522265
What did he mean by this?

How do Irish laws have any bearing on an English bender?

>>82522928
It was Afghan I think, so Pashtun.

>>82523019
Meant for. >>82522982

>>82522265
>>>/reddit/

if your feeling are upset fuck off

>>82523007
Because he said it in Ireland, on Irish TV

>>82521736
>Police
>blasphemy
Get it together, britain.

>>82523007
questions are a burden and answers a prison for oneself, anon. it should be "how do Irish laws and their bearing on an English bender have any relevance to adult men on /tv/"

>obviously a Jimmy Saville-tier super pedo
>gets investigated for dissing God instead

Sounds like Catholicuckism

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>>82523007
because of the EU their laws are basically the same, thankfully Brexit and based trump are changing this

>Tfw

>>82523069

>why is this piece of television news on a television board!

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Wow.

So Ireland sucks.

>2009 law
>mfw

>>82523068
>Get it together, britain.
Finally the world is coming around to Ireland being re-annexed by the Crown.

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>>82523050
>if your feeling are upset

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>>82523090
God damn you're a fucking mess.

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>>82522675

>make fun of judaism
>lose job

>make fun of islam
>lose life

>make fun of christianity
>???

This is the exact type of shit that Fry will get off on

Wouldnt be surprised if he reported himself

>>82521736

It was strange to find out fry has a literal child's concept of god and religion. God is evil? He created your perception of evil. The world is awful? A drop in the ocean compared to eternity in heaven.

Not even religious myself but wtf he's meant to be a smarty pants.

>>82523487
>It was strange to find out fry has a literal child's concept of god and religion

Whats childish about it?

He is basically saying why would you respect something that causes so much misery

>>82523086
Again, what is the basis for this persistent accusation against Fry?

>>82523195
>make fun of christianity
>get canonized by reddit plebs

>>82523644
>t. child

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>>82522725
>abiding by your traditions is cucked

Catholicism has always been hand-in-hand with Irish culture. Blasphemy laws are necessary to help preserve Catholicism here because more young people are being edgy katana wielding atheists. Being a secular nation would be much worse

>>82524135
>Catholicism has always been hand-in-hand with Irish culture.
That would be the ancient Gaelic culture that you guys have all but given up on in favour of the whole bastardised thing the rest of the Anglosphere also has?

>>82524076

Answer please

>>82521871
>mfw irish subhumans are going to be wiped out

the """irish""" are subhuman nigger spawn that have been cucked by the UK for centuries and will soon gravel to the BIG ENGLISH COCK

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>>82523487
so a being made a miserable place full of evil and wrongness, then makes creatures who he forces to worship him and grovel at his feet. He then makes a even more horrible place, where his creations will go if they don't worship him.
But that's all fine, because it's just a drop in the ocean compared to heaven.

christian apologists are 10 time worse than actual christians.

>>82523644

The question of suffering is something which has been asked and answered for literally thousands of years. Stephen Fry likes to specifically attack the God of The Bible and claims that suffering either disproves God's existence or proves that God is not good. However the Bible itself addresses suffering within the Christian context... but of course Stephen Fry isn't interested, he just wants to look like the smarty pants who pokes a finger at God.

Rejecting the existence of God does nothing to address the fact that humans suffer.

>>82522322
You reply to the right post?

>>82524356
>BIG ENGLISH COCK

BIG MUZZIE COCK more like

>>82524303
>only culture you can have is ancient

No, Irish culture existed through the Middle Ages and exists now in the Modern Age too. In fact, Britain's crusade against Irish culture only really began in the middle of the 1600's which is in the Modern Age.

The only thing we have in common with the Anglosphere is that we speak English. Other than that, we're Celtic and not Anglo, Catholic and not Protestant and have a unique culture which can be seen in Irish trad music, Gaelic sports, Irish pubs, etc. American culture has had an impact here yes but it has in any other developed nation too

>>82524135
>Catholicism has always been hand-in-hand with Irish culture.

but that's wrong

it's always been a foriegn influence mostly brought in by Norman (English) colonizers, it's how they pacified Irish kings who were predominently pagan up until the 1100's.

>>82524135

>make religious law so that tradition is maintained.

Yep, that's a brit. It's why mohammedians love it there.

>>82524490
Were kicking them out unlike you celtniggers


TAKE THE BIG ENGLISH COCK

>>82524448
>but muh ancient fanfic said so

>>82521871
We're not allowed to kill them.

>>82524553
>predominently pagan up until the 1100's.
Do you have a source for that? Gaelic Ireland was noted for its monastic tradition so that seems pretty questionable.

>>82524417
>so a being made a miserable place full of evil and wrongness

Nope, everything was made awesome.

> then makes creatures who he forces to worship him and grovel at his feet.

Nope, mankind was made with the choice to follow God (live in perfect harmony, peace, happiness etc.) or to reject God (chaos, enmity with God, suffering etc.).

Mankind made a choice and continues to make that same choice day in, day out. We're all suffering because mankind continues to reject God, and mankind continues to reject God because mankind loves to do evil and doesn't want to stop.

>>82524135
The biggest mistake Irish people made was making Catholicism more central to their identity than Gaelic culture. Especially when the church as an institution was such a pro-Anglicising influence in the 19th century.

>>82524716
>Nope, everything was made awesome.

so you are a creationist who denies evolution and science? Because I highly doubt our cavemen ancestors had such a swell life either.

>>82524574

Kek

You're getting enriched son, its too late for your "empire"

>>82522452
You're just circling around his argument.
Stop posting.

>>82524716
Seems awfully unfair to fuck over every single person on the planet because of what "mankind" does or doesn't do. It should be fairly easy for an all-powerful god to judge each case individually, so why do christians who DON'T reject god and DON'T enjoy doing evil get to live in perfect peace, happiness and harmony? all they have going for them since the beginning of their religion is pretending when they die they'll have it better.

>>82522274

Seems irrelevant now since Canada, Progressive Heaven, has introduced blasphemy laws now.

So they can just point to them.

>>82524716
>be born
>die because the doctor dropped you off accidentally
>you're now in limbo for all eternity because some guys were cunts

>>82522675

It's not uncommon. Variations of it exist in France (only applies to judaism). They have it in Canada. Australia has variations of it. U.K. probably does too.

Most people don't realize how "restrictive" speech laws are outside of the U.S.

>>82524985
>be born
>be born with brain problems that make you a low functioning sociopath with no impulse control
>stab a fucker to death for no reason
>go to hell because god made you wrong

>>82524985
>be conceived
>1/3rd of fertilized eggs miscarry, often without the mother even knowing
>join 1/3rd of all souls ever made in limbo because god decided that's a good use of his time

>>82524985
Jesus said young ones go to heaven.

>>82524624
no but clearly we must have a cure for these problems at this point.

>>82522170
one of the opening concepts of the bible is being thrown from eden to earth, a choice we human made, where disease and illnesses live (hell). we choose to go to earth which contains hell's diseases

if god stepped out and saved people it would all be pointless you retards

anyway, the guy who logged the police complaint is a sjw, anti christian, leftie liberal who is trying to troll atheists, he is atheist himself.

>>82522235
>it's not god's fault, it's ours!

Spoken like a true sheep.

>>82525481
How the fuck did I make a choice when I wasn't even born?

>>82525481
>he is atheist himself

Fake news

>Stephen Fry investigated by police for alleged blasphemy
did i miss something here? i'd get slander as much of a joke as it would sound but you cant investigate people for blasphemy.

Atheists who don't know an ounce of theology are willingly ignorant. They deny themselves knowledge of a subject to reaffirm their narrow-minded beliefs, simple as that.

>>82521736
lel, fedoras btfo

>>82522351
We as humans are capable of unconditional love, naturally, the problem is that other humans teach us not to be that way with utter selfishness.

>>82522274
>Under Ireland’s Defamation Act 2009 a person who publishes or utters blasphemous material “shall be guilty of an offence”.
>Under Ireland’s Defamation Act 2009

>archaic and, quite frankly, embarrassing law that's left over from when the Catholic Church ran this country.

>>82522571
You're right, retarded laws should exist because most people don't know about them. What a fucking spectacular point if view you have.

>>82521736
>Utterly wrecks their backwards ass superstitions
>F-fine him for hurting our fee-fees
Yeah OP, Atheists really BTFO.

>Having a fucking law against blasphemy in 2017
>It's eight years old

kek wtf is this, makes Iran look moderate

When will 4chan stop pretending that religion is cool again? The fedora meme is ancient now.

>>82525572
human beings have free will

you are entitled to do as you wish, think as you wish and speak as you wish, do not blame God for your actions,

>>82525855

Go to bed Stephen

>>82525865
>When will 4chan stop pretending that religion is cool again? The fedora meme is ancient now.

It's amazing what bullying can do to insecure men.

>>82525637
Not him
but it's because Adam and eve made the choice to eat the fruit of the tree of knowledge, so god cursed all of us because they made a choice, it's all Eve's and by extension Adams fault, according to him but by the same criteria God is even more at fault.

Finished my first cycle at 1200mg test E a week.

What next?

I was thinking a moderate dose of tren just plus a base dose of test. Like 200 test 350 tren.

>>82525953
lmao
>do not punish him for his fathers sins"
>Begin to punish all humans for their fathers sins

actual LMAO

>>82521796
>christfags mad at prominent atheist promptly project their rampant pedophilia in their religion into him

Wow what a twist

>>82525953
>Know the future
>Know man is going to do it
>Set him up so he can do it
>"Well you made your bed, you lie in it"

Aw come on God, cut it out

>>82521736
>God
>not a trickster
You got to admit, his sense of humor is brilliant even though it's a little dark.
>kills children without remorse and expects that their parents still believe he is good
>you can kill someone but it's all ok when you truly repent before you die
>you can cure cancer, save billions of people and solve world hunger but if you don't believe in god he'll punish you for all eternity

>>82525865
It's happening for the same reason the 'Such and such is Reddit' spam meme.

When these post-ironic flat earthers get banned/ downvoted/ laughed at on other websites, where do you think they go?

>>82522190
>literally outlines and commands people to perform atrocities in the Bible such as genocide, mass murder, sacking cities, sexual slavery, and economic slavery
>only does the good things

Kekerooni

>>82525838
It's a law that was implemented because the 1936 constitution mandated it. It was just a matter of "this is cheaper than having a referendum to amend the constitution".

>>82522235
What does fry do on a daily basis that is evil?

>>82521736

> Blasphemy is still considered a criminal offense

Fucking why? That's islam levels of retarded.

>“I’d say ‘Bone cancer in children, what’s that about?’ How dare you create a world in which there is such misery that is not our fault,” Fry replied. “It’s not right. It’s utterly, utterly evil. Why should I respect a capricious, mean-minded, stupid god who creates a world which is so full of injustice and pain?”

Except God didn't create bone cancer, bone cancer would be the result of the world he created. Besides, it's naive to think that God would create a world without any negativities.

>>82525365
yes, there must be a solution that presents itself at some point. some kind of final solution for these pesky problems.

>>82526112
>Fucking why? That's islam levels of retarded

Because a little societal oppression keeps things ship shape, don't you know.

>>82526153
Its ideological cancer. Not ship shape.

>>82521736
>gets bullied gay in school
>still butthurt even into his 40s
MUH
*sucks a dick*
INTELLECTUAL
*molests a little boy*
SUPERIORITY

>fry literally destroys the idea of god so much christcucks try to get him arrested
Laughable

>>82526153

Being fined for up to 25,000 bucks for insulting some people's opinions IS retarded.

>>82526118
If God is all powerful then he wouldn't he be perfectly capable of creating a perfect world. Actually, why didn't God just obliterate Adam and Eve after they fucked up, delete the tree of knowledge and start fresh?

>bawww suffering in this life

intellectually weak. The same way it is not evil to make a child with an injection for a second before rewarding them by going to disneyland, so to is it not evil to make humans suffer for a mere 100 years in comparison to an eternity of whatever you deserve.

Steven fry needs to do better.
Not very intellectual at all

>>82526118
>it's naive to think that God would create a world without any negativities
Why? Wouldn't an all-good God want to make a univers free of natural evil?

>>82526224
Yes, how dare he express frustration with with a point of view he frequently encounters. Only fucking nerds talk about that shit. You're not a fucking nerd, are you?

>>82525953
>Uuuh so someone else did some shitty shit so you have to suffer
Wow thanks g*d :)

FOR FUCK SAKE. NOBODY GAVE A SHIT IN IRELAND, BUT A GUY WANTED TO SHOW HOW RETARDED THE LAW WAS BY COMPLAINING WITH THE INTENT OF GETTING THE LAW BANISHED OVER HOW RETARDED IT IS.

INSTEAD IT CAUSED FRY TO GET INVESTIGATED WITH A POTENTIAL 25,000 EURO FINE.

THAT'S IT.

>>82526342
Holy shit, fucking raped him with knowledge

>>82521871
whats up muhammad

>>82526118
God of Classicial Theism is literally the following

Omnipotent (all powerful)
Omniscience (all knowing)
Omnipresent (all places)
Omnibenevolent (all good)

If God is 'all good' then why does Evil exist? Why did God create creatures that eat out humans eyes and lay eggs in there?

This doesn't mean God doesn't exist, it just means God isn't part of any religion of Earth as the existence of evil disproves this.

>>82526118
>Besides, it's naive to think that God would create a world without any negativities.
Why?
If God is all-good and we're created to resemble him where does evil come from?
If God is truly the genesis of the world and of the human race, and he's a completely benign entity, in which point of the process of creation does evil begin to exist?

I'm legitimately asking, I don't know about religion, is evil something that originated inside us? Satan?

Fry is a degenerate

and its nice to see atheist get locked up

>>82526426
Republic of Ireland couldn't arrest him if they wanted to.

>>82526426
He won't get locked up, read the fucking article. The punishment is 25,000 euro fine. And secondly, Fry is in UK now, Ireland have no legal jurisdiction to arrest him in a different country.

>>82526399
>I personally get to define what all good is

This entire line of thinking has always been the dumbest crock of shit. It's useless in determining the existence of the Christian god, and I say this as someone who believes in the big bang.

>>82524716
You know Genesis didn't really happen right?

>>82526034
That is an actual photo of him with his boyfriend........

>>82526454
the UK would arrest him in a heartbeat if ireland, or any irish police requested it. if a police warrant or any paperwork got logged in ireland, the english police would immediately be knocking on frys door. anything else is retarded

>>82526484
But he's not.
You don't need to define evil at all, as long as it exists in any shape or form under any moral prism it's enough to support that contradiction.
The most elegant way is to use the definition of evil according to Christianity, why does sin exist? If God is all-powerful and all-loving there's no point to it.
>sin exists to prove ourselves worthy of heaven
If he's all-knowing he should know whether someone is worthy or not.
>sin exists because Satan and/or ourselves bringing in
If he's all-powerful he should be able to erase the concept of sin all-together.

>>82521736
Operation yewtree 2 when?

>>82521871
im waiting for us to be nuked

like seriously we still pay for a tv licence just bomb us and get it over with.

>>82521965
top kek i hate this fucker hes had it better than most but still bitches.

>>82526503
You know the best evidence against atheism is atheists?

Blasphemy is the least of his crimes.
This paedophile will be exposed, but probably only after his death.

>>82526597
Humans had choice. If they didn't have choice, they would be soulless robots. Although, you're probably on r9k all the time so you'd probably prefer a world as soulless as you are.

>>82524135
>a Semetic religion is hand-in-hand with Celtic culture
Amazing how people can think this way after only a couple thousand years.

>>82526697
If we have choice and for that reason we have to suffer to prove ourselves that means God is not all powerful and omniscient.

>>82526597
>The most elegant way is to use the definition of evil according to Christianity, why does sin exist? If God is all-powerful and all-loving there's no point to it.

God frequently gets angry in the bible, I'd say any sort of logic goes out the window once you acknowledge this. Why would he get angry from his own creation? His actions can be explained away by mysterious ways that are too complex for man to understand. That's why the line of reasoning doesn't function without fault.

>>82522235
>>82522416
Why would God design us to enjoy evil more than good? Why would he give us a predilection for evil?

>>82526757
He was bored

If Ireland was uncucked Fry would be fucking beheaded for saying that shit. Really pissed off at all the atheists trying to undermine Christianity in the Western World.

>>82526789
Meant for

>>82526776

>>82522235
>they themselves take great pleasure in doing evil things on a daily basis

What the fuck evil things does fry do on a daily basis. Act like a dick on tv? Is that really how low the threshold for evil is?

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>you can get a legal fine for offending theists
Makes me wonder why people stopped posting pic related.

>>82526757
Then what difference is there between God and a classic Greek god like Zeus?
I don't really care that he's a temperamental cunt, I just think pretending he's infinitely powerful, omniscient and benign leaves too many polt holes.

Just say he's not omniscient and that's it.

>>82521736
he's right but the way he said it was fedora-tier

>>82526821
He fucks his boyfriend that, despite being over 20 years old, looks like an underage twink on a daily basis.

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>2017
>people still trying to talk to theists on 4chan
Why bother? These people proved to be obsessively autistic a long time ago.

>>82526829
>Christianity
Fuck off Varg, you want us to return to pagan bullshit?

>>82526792
Your superstitions are retarded anon.

If 'the West was uncucked' you'd be in an insane asylum getting the help you need.

>>82522630
Christfags love explain that the advancements and achievements and laws and morals of the western world only exist because of religion, but now when someone points out one of those laws that you don't agree with you distance yourself from it?

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>>82524135
Paganism has always been hand-in-hand with Irish culture. Brehonic laws are necessary to help preserve Gaelic culture here because more young people are being edgy crucifix wielding Jews. Being a Christian nation would be much worse

>>82526856
So?

>>82526792
If you were a real Catholic you'd turn the other cheek.
Beheadings make Christ cry.

>>82526890
>if you don't like the jew religions, want to bring back paganism
What's it like being you?

>>82526830
>Then what difference is there between God and a classic Greek god like Zeus?

I do in fact think the difference between the two is smaller than the line of reasoning implies.

>I don't really care that he's a temperamental cunt, I just think pretending he's infinitely powerful, omniscient and benign leaves too many polt holes.

I'm going out on a limb here, but I can't recall exactly where it says the Holy Spirit is all good. I can recall only the all powerful part. God gets jealous in the Bible, and to me, jealousy isn't all good. If it does say that, then yes, he is not omnipotent. But does him not being omnipotent equal him not existing?

>>82526931
That's degenerate.

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>see all this shit about fry being a child rapist
>google it
>his boyfriend is 27

I'm not any less confused than I was a few minutes ago. Someone please explain how this mitigates the fact he's being investigated for blasphemy under an anti-blasphemy law from 2009 in a supposedly """first-world""" country.

>>82526988
Oh okay.

>>82526776

We were not designed to enjoy one way over another, we were simply given the free will to make a choice and given accountability for the choices we make.

>Deuteronomy 30:19
>"I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:"

Make the choice, accept the consequences.

>>82526990
They probably have the ugliest sex. I bet it's fucking vulgar and shocking.

But yeah it's fucked up about the whole God thing and the blasphemy laws.

>>82526990

Because read the thread, its a law that was passed by one minister who didnt want it to go to a referendum

He came out today with some shite saying "I made the law difficult to understand so no-one would be prosecuted"

>>82526990
Americans misheard 13 as 30.

>>82527031
He designed our nature, though. Or at the very least he made us in his image. Would you agree that Humanity has a particular predilection for evil?

Since God is the highest good, He would not allow any evil to exist in His works, unless His omnipotence and goodness were such as to bring good even out of evil." This is part of the infinite goodness of God, that He should allow evil to exist, and out of it produce good.

>>82527101
Four times already in the thread

>>82527031
What's the point of giving us free will if there's only one correct choice?

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>>82527086
>he made us in his image.
>tfw God also has a chubby 4 incher

>>82527124
what

>>82527137
>What's the point of giving us free will if there's only one correct choice?

For his amusement

>>82522416
What about the evil that happens in the world not caused by humans. Like babies with cancer. Or that fly example Fry gave. Which is why he gave those examples. A lot of evil exists in the world because of humans and a lot despite them. Even if one evil thing has happened to humans that is not because of our free will then it makes god evil for creating it.

>>82526653
?

>>82521736
That's a stupid law.

Also most Christian camps aside from the retard in this thread would say something along the lines of suffering being an opportunity to build a stronger relationship with God and that whole heaven deal being a greater reward than any earthly suffering will bring.

But I kind of agree with Fry on this one, at least in regards to suffering. Why create a world, give no evidence as to your involvement (at least for the past 2k years), have it full of chaos and suffering, then punish people who -- understandably -- believe you're either not there or don't care because of it?

With Universe as a Simulation theory, I'm starting to think the Gnostics had it right and creation is a product of the Demiurge.

>>82526551
His boyfriend is in his 20's, I'm not sure if you're a pedo trying to equate a man in a voluntary sexual relationship to a child who has no idea what is happening or if you're just retarded, but either way you are wrong.

>>82527086
Not him, but not specifically. People do evil because it makes their bodies feel better, ie instant gratification. That's how it's been since the first sin in Genesis.

God doesn't stop us from doing evil because he likes us having our free will and he's big on second chances. You have literally infinite second chances to turn away from sin and go back to him up until the moment you die.

Though once you're dead and standing before him for judgement, it's too late. Evil gets their punishment, and far worse than any sort of punishment they've handed out to anyone else.

>>82527212
>and he's big on second chances.
Sounds like a cuck

>people so stuck on human concepts of good and evil which are rooted entirely in human survival and socialization
The storm isn't evil for flowing over a township or through a verdant wood, the fire isn't evil for cooking a forest animal alive, the cancer isn't evil for growing in your brain, it is just performing its function within the precepts of the system set out. Not all things must be given intentionality, least of all a deity. If God is All Things, if He created All Things, then a part of God is what humanity pointlessly labels "evil" or "bad," but our narrow self-interested perspective of morality cannot possibly contain the myriad systems that keep this universe spinning into entropy.

God is no more sadistic than the proverbial chaos theory butterfly.

>>82526975
>jealousy

The problem is that the Bible, particularly the King James uses out-dated language and fails to accurately translate words of phrases from Hebrew into English. The same English word gets used for positive and negative things and you have to read carefully to figure out which is applicable. When God is described as jealous in the Bible it would be more accurate to say he is zealous, God is extremely passionate and protective of things which belong to Him. That last part is incredibly important, God's jealousy or zealotry is for things which BELONG TO HIM. So when used in the context of worship and idolatry, God is a jealous God because worship and praise belong to Him exclusively on account of Him being the one and only creator of all things.

>>82527253
That butterfly killed Jews though

>>82527266
They deserved it

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What's the deal with AIDS babies?

>>82527137
Because if you had no free will you truly would be a mindless automaton that is forced to worship, and your worship would be meaningless specifically because it's forced.

>>82527244
Christianity is literally the cuck religion
>put the other cheek
>be a good boy and let people fuck you for as long as you're alive
>you'll get eternal heaven afterwards I swear :^)

It's the biggest Jewish control plot in the history of mankind, only now that it's losing its grip on the population they have to resort to the other end of the spectrum.

>>82527244
I mean, when you're an immortal omniscient being beyond human comprehension that created literally everything, you have enough room to give plenty of leeway to people.

Especially when the alternative is throwing them into Hell to be separated from you until the world ends, and then being tossed into a lake of fire for all eternity afterwards.

>>82521736
>Utter maniac

That's Bong for "absolute madman" right?

>>82527212
I mean, in a generalized and platitudinous way, sure that could be true. But in the experience of reality, in the day to day and particular of human life, there are countless people whose chances to "turn to god" are near-on zero. Children born to non-Judeo-Christian cultures, children only that very day reaching the arbitrary age of accountability being snuffed out in any one of a billion possible deaths, people whose experience of Holy Mother Church poison them to the experience of the divine. The reality is always far more complex than the quick and dirty answers proffered by rabbis and preachers when they care not to simply say "I do not know, I cannot know, my mind is not God's."

>>82526108
>What does fry do on a daily basis that is evil?
Probably Sodomy with his "boyfriend" that he's old enough to be his fucking grandfather for.

>>82527312
But to me why does it matter?
I'd rather be a mindless automaton that gets to live well and go to heaven than to have free will that ultimately only serves to give me a chance to damn myself to Hell for eternity.

What you're saying is that free will is not given to us for our own sake, but for his, he creates a world with plenty of answers but there's only one correct one, and if you happen to pick the wrong one (sometimes not even out of evil, maybe you've never heard of Christ in your life) you'll be damned eternally, he only gives us free will because he wants us to pick him despite having no reason to do so, and if we don't then we get fucked.

>>82527173
God's a cunt then.

>>82527212
>Though once you're dead and standing before him for judgement, it's too late.
Yeah because when your dead the snake oil salesmen don't get their 'charity'.

>>82527212
I'm so glad I wasn't raised with religion in my life, you sound like a fucking lunatic.

>>82527503
It's okay anon.

Their 'Free Will' excuse doesn't exist either.

if an omnipotent sadist did exist, wouldn't it make more sense to play ball with him rather than undergo a literally infinite amount of suffering just for the brief pleasure of telling someone off?

>>82527685
sounds like cuck talk to me, boy

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>>82527314
>The Jews were the ones that killed Jesus and the major antagonists of the New Testament, the Pharisees, went on to form modern Rabbinical Judaism.
>Jesus was born and raised in "Galilee of the Gentiles" and almost certainly spoke Greek
>The whole New Testament speaks of the "Jews" (who have no genetic relation to the modern people which your types seem so concerned about when calling Jesus a "kike") as worshipping in the Synagogue of Satan and going to burn in hellfire for all of eternity, and that Jews will be worshipers of the anti-Christ in the end times.

Congratulations atheism, you're now the dumbest religion on the planet.

Ireland has blasphemy laws? Its like you faggots predicted becoming a turk caliphate

>>82527720
Yes, good Goy, keep praising Jesus.
Don't forget to kiss more refugees feet.

>>82527652
You're right, I should stop blaming myself for anything bad that happens and do what you do and start blaming something I don't believe even exists for everything wrong that happens in my life. That sounds far more reasonable.

>>82527137
What's the point in making sentient lifeforms without free will period? He's God; it's not like he needs a robotic workforce. If anything, the Big Guy probably did it because he's lonely.

>>82527720
>Trump is Christian
>literally does the bidding of Jews
really made my kippah tickle

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>live in Ireland
>tfw I'm literally surrounded by idiots
>tfw I'm living in a country run by a government full of idiots that make literal Muslim-tier laws
Someone please get me out of here. I can't stand it any longer.

>>82527494
>being angry about sodomy in the year of our lord 2017
>consensual sex between adults

I said evil anon, what's he doing that is evil. If you're going to respond like you're a triggered Victorian prude, you could have just said the claim was bullshit right off the bat and saved everyone some time.

>>82527720
Atheism isn't a religion.

We're not down on your level, superstition pedlar.

>>82527503

The question is, as a mindless automaton are you even capable of "living well" or enjoying anything?

I would argue that free will is given to us specifically so we can appreciate who God is and what He has done for us. God shares Himself with us for our benefit, not for His. If we did not have the ability to reject God, then He would not be sharing he'd be forcing.

>>82521736
Irish person here

The irony was that a lefty party forced this bullshit through a few years ago with the intention of stopping islampphobia (around the time of those cartoons)

Top kek that it's being used to defend Christianity

>>82527833
shouldn't you be studying for your junior cert?

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A reminder that anyone can know God and be saved, and that even hardcore atheists have no excuse.

Romans 1:18-23
>For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

Hebrews 11:1
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

Romans 8:24
>For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?

Matthew 7:7-11
>Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened. Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone? Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent? If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?

John 14:1-3
>Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

>>82527870
>The question is, as a mindless automaton are you even capable of "living well" or enjoying anything?

Yes because that's what we actually are. There are no 'gods', and there is no 'free will'.

>>82527876
If that's true it's worth a fucking mega-kek.

>>82527399
Second this, cousins are part of a christian relief org that goes to impoverished foreign countries and will bring food/supplies to share with the people But only if they accept christianity. Pretty fuckedup for people to do that in and act like they are closer to god for doing so.

>>82527870
>The question is, as a mindless automaton are you even capable of "living well" or enjoying anything?
Why not? In Heaven you spend an eternity and joy and at that point there's no more choices, you've accepted God fully.

I just don't think there's that much difference between forcing himself into us and giving us a test in which there's only one correct answer and the rest will condemn us to Hell, in this context, "free will" means "you can fuck yourself over if you pick the wrong thing".

There's no point to free will when you only have one objectively correct decision to make, at that point, he's only giving us that for his own ego, because he wants us to choose him despite him not giving any signal or clue, and the ones that miss can go get fucked.

>>82527862
>God's law doesn't conform to my postmodern, atheistic view of morality
>Therefore it's incorrect

So scientific. So smart.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ICTsqE4Fjs

>>82527876
that isn't what happened

>>82521736
>Just fry my shit up
You know fry means "free" in old English right? I hope he goes to Irish prison and is killed by Catholics/Protestants in prison. I can't stand that smug paedophile.

>>82526027
>>82526042
>>82526355
You all miss the point, we are all Adam and Eve. You are punished for your own sins, Adam and Eve's is just symbolic of the inevitability of imperfect humans sinning.

And regarding giving humans the chance of fucking up, that's kinda the point.

IT'S THE LAND O' THE FREE

>>82527944
>there is no 'free will'.

This shit again lmao

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>>82528038
So what your really mean is pic related

>>82527870
What then of the mentally ill, the men and women handicapped from birth with the inability to choose or think or express themselves or understand standard avenues of human communication? Are they damned? Are they born soulless?

Or are answers designed for the broadest understanding with no concern for the particularities of human reality simply incapable of adequately dealing with the problems faced by the created?

>dude human consciousness somehow exists on a higher plane than the rest of our deterministic universe lmao

>>82527866
>Atheism isn't a religion.

I don't have a reaction image appropriate enough for this, so I'll just give you a (You) and leave it at that.

>>82527389
Bongs use the term absolute madman, friend. It's always struck me as far more of a Britishism than an Americanism.

>durr i prefer to believe in a world where this shit happens for no reason and there is no hope for it to be made right eventually.

nice logic there fedora tippers.

>>82528038
>they have no concept what sin is
>accidentally sin
>all mankind gets punished

Seems fair

>>82528146
>the only way christcucks can attack atheism is by proclaiming it's the same as the thing they're defending
Can't make this shit up.

>>82527720
That's funny, I bet according to kike religion you are the one going to burn in hellfire for believing in false God

>>82528141
>>dude human consciousness somehow exists on a higher plane than the rest of our deterministic universe lmao

Do you also argue with clouds for having "wrong"? Do you criticize a rock tumbling down a hill for doing so "falsely"? If human beings are determined by causality and we have no fundamental difference than a highly complex series of dominoes all falling down in order, then it's literally insane to make any argument ever, as if determinism is true then it's no more logical to argue with a meat robot than it is to argue with a leaf flowing down a river.

Meanwhile, Christianity actually has the answer to these things.

Genesis 2:7
>And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

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>>82522235
>thats retarded

>>82528233
>atheism is not a religion

That's why they want the goverment to build atheist monuments and donate to organizations where they collectively don't believe in god.

>>82528310
That's not an answer, that's something written in an old book.
What exactly is the scale you're using to consider something an "answer"? Something that's written in a book? Something written in a really old book? Something written in a book written by someone affirming it's the law of God?
Because that's not good enough to me.

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>Lol I'll create life but if they don't worship me I'll send them to a place where They'll be tortured for all eternity :^)

In what way is God not a tyrant? In what way is he not petty as fuck? He doesn't NEED my worship, yet if I don't provide it I have to suffer endlessly?

>>82528337
I've never met or heard of an atheist who wanted to build a monument to atheism, nor who wants money donated to organisations purely because they don't believe in God.

>>82528146
is bald a hair color?

>>82528337
Nah. I can't remember asking for any of that. >>82528233
Can you anon?

>>82528337
Even if that was true (you're probably taking some nutjob organization as a representative of world atheism), that's not enough to say something is a religion.
The word you're looking for is lobby.

>>82528310
What do you think consciousness actually is? Do you think that the human "soul", whatever that is, somehow gives you the ability to make decisions outside of the fabric of causality? If you consider your consciousness anything more than an illusion created as the byproduct of chemical reactions then you're giving yourself and the rest of the human race too much credit.

>>82522235
this tbqhfam

>>82528034
Yes it is, Labour forced it through during the last government

>>82528310
You know the word "soul" is just literally "air" or "breath," right? It does not imply anything other than "breath of the almighty."

>>82522265
>t. buttblasted fedora

>>82526906
I wonder what the religion the legislator who introduced that law subscribed to?

>>82528386
There you go arguing again. Hey maybe after you get done here you can debate metaphysics with a banana, or try and convince a calculator that it's actions are "bad".

It's all determined bro!

>>82522276
mind. blown.

>>82528439
>I personally didn't see it, so it didn't happen.

>That's why countries like China don't exist.

>“I’d say ‘Bone cancer in children, what’s that about?’ How dare you create a world in which there is such misery that is not our fault,” Fry replied. “It’s not right. It’s utterly, utterly evil. Why should I respect a capricious, mean-minded, stupid god who creates a world which is so full of injustice and pain?”

>Fry said if he met the Greek gods he would accept them quicker because, “they didn’t present themselves as being all seeing, all wise, all beneficent”.

>“Because the god who created this universe, if it was created by God, is quite clearly a maniac, an utter maniac, totally selfish. We have to spend our lives on our knees thanking him. What kind of god would do that?”

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>>82528493
If you understand what determinism is and still don't believe in it then you are literally and unironically mentally retarded.

>>82528470
>I'm an atheist who has nothing but contempt for your beliefs and choose to live a life of mindless hedonism
>Now let me tell you what the bible actually means

Every time.

>>82528493
I'm not the anon you replied, I don't think the universe is deterministic actually.
The deterministic grade of events depends on the scale of them, on a macroscopic scale things are deterministically driven by the laws of physics, but on the quantum scale everything points to otherwise.
Since our consciousness is more than likely driven by processes in our brain operating on a quantum level it's probable that our actions and thought processes aren't truly deterministic.
Call that "free will" if you want.

>>82528439
http://newsfeed.time.com/2013/06/28/unveiling-americas-first-public-monument-to-atheism/

https://firstchurchofatheism.com/

Don't forget to donate ;)

>>82528125
>What then of the mentally ill, the men and women handicapped from birth with the inability to choose or think or express themselves or understand standard avenues of human communication? Are they damned? Are they born soulless?

I can't say for certain, but personally I like to believe those literally incapable of making that choice basically get a free ticket, since they aren't capable of choosing to sin.

>>82528449
What is experiencing the illusion?

>>82528555
>thinking I'm an atheist for no reason whatsoever
Nigger, suck my scholarly dick.

>>82528310
>If human beings are determined by causality and we have no fundamental difference than a highly complex series of dominoes all falling down in order.
Correct.
>then it's literally insane to make any argument ever, as if determinism is true then it's no more logical to argue with a meat robot than it is to argue with a leaf flowing down a river.
How? That doesn't follow on at all. Argument is causality.

>>82528458
This act predates the last government.

>>82528194
>Be told don't do thing
>Do thing
>Get punished

Wow, who woulda guessed.

>>82528543
Chinks are pretty cool if you don't count boiling dogs
Where do they fall in the God's plan by the way? What about Native Americans and pacific islanders?

>>82525783
not if you're on /tv/ you're not.

>>82528125
>What then of the mentally ill, the men and women handicapped from birth with the inability to choose or think or express themselves or understand standard avenues of human communication? Are they damned? Are they born soulless?

They will be judged by the truth that was revealed to them. What is the extent of that truth and how was it revealed? I don't know, but I trust that all will have been given a choice and none will stand before God in ignorance.

>>82528591
So god cripples some people, but it's okay because they get to go to heaven anyway and be retarded up there?

Isn't it just straight up objectively better to not be braindead? You can still go to heaven, AND you won't be retarded.

>>82524448
>However the Bible itself addresses suffering within the Christian context
"I am constantly testing you" is a pretty weak argument, especially considering he made us flawed
that's like cutting someone's leg off, then demanding they run a race

why put a magic intelligence fruit in the middle of the garden of eden if you never intended for anyone to eat it? why create the devil if all he is going to do is undermine you at every turn and ensure that 90% of your creations fail to meet your expectations?
why go into hiding soon after jesus was born? in the old testament you couldn't so much as sneeze without God announcing himself through a flaming bush then demanding you kill your only son as a prank
so why in the 21st century are we allowed to call God a faggot and have nothing happen to us? it just lends credence to the idea that he doesn't exist

>>82521871
>not loving bacon
>not loving endless free porn via the internet
>not loving free speech rights

Nah, these things irk me so, freedom ain't as good as the restrictions religion puts on me. Much better to be bound by archaic notions of belief, much better to bind yourself to shit someone made up to explain shit.

>God is evil for giving us life and allowing us to live
>Death is evil

Brits were a mistake.

How's Stephen Fry, a man who literally owns African slave boys call anyone else evil?

>>82526050
>>kills children without remorse and expects that their parents still believe he is good
citation needed, who says god kills kids?

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>>82521871
>tfw gay english atheist

>>82528689
You seem to think the disabilities will carry over to heaven.

They don't. God basically makes new immortal bodies for everyone.

>4chan is becoming a conservative religious board to be contrarian
Epic stuff guys.

Anyways I'm fairly certain the person who filed the complaint did so to expose what a fucking stupid thing a blasphemy law is.

>>82528543
>I come up with a contrived nutty example that I'm sure will have happened sometime because I know nutty people exist because I am a nutty person
>Therefore you're all nutty too
t. Nutty the nut.

>>82528598
Nothing is experiencing it, like I said it's an illusion. Your "experience" of experiencing it is part of the illusion.

>>82528747
Moses?

>>82526112
except there are no islamic laws of blasphemy you fucking idiot.

>>82528753
No, you actually get your original body back and then its souped up. I may be mixing that up with Judgment Day though.

>>82528751
It's ok. You are a frogposter, you'll die alone eventually.

>>82528776
>believing the bible

idiot detected.

>>82528780
Is this bait? There absolutely are. Saudi Arabia is a particularly nasty example.

>>82528799
I'd have to find the exact scripture when I have more time.

Either way, any problems and disabilities your old body suffered no longer apply in Heaven.

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>>82528552
>If you understand what determinism is and still don't believe in it then you are literally and unironically mentally retarded.


So logical. So smart.

I'd love to see you running around (probably out of breath) chasing a domino's set while yelling at it to change it's path.

To note I'm being harsh against you atheists because I want you to be saved. I used to be a hardcore atheist myself.

2 Peter 3:3-7
>Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

>>82521845
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>>82528753
So then I can spend 50 years raising a downie, die, and then meet up with a completely different person in heaven because he's magically been given back the ability to think?

Seems like a shitty deal.

>>82528747
Job. Moses. Sodom and Gomorrah. Jericho.

>>82524417

The point being that you'll go to a better place than this, where there's none of that.

This place is a test to Christians.

The, "why is God evil" is inherently a juvenile or ignorant concept by Christianity itself.

I'm an atheist, and even I know this.

>>82528690
>especially considering he made us flawed

Uh, what? No, Allah (Subhana wa ta'ala) made mankind as his best creation, this is testified in all Abrahamic scriptures, be it the gospel, torah or psalms.

>>82522675
it'll soon be in america too, kafir

>>82528854
Obviously I can't speak of what exactly will happen in Heaven. Haven't been there you know.

All I'm sure of is the whole disability thing won't be there.

>>82528194
It isn't fair. Why would you think it's fair? Is the godless universe "fair"?

>>82528830
>Saudi Arabia follows islam to the letter apparently
>islam forbids alcohol and gambling, somthing that is plentyful in saudi arabia

congrats on being a retard anon.

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>>82528753
But if you're no longer mentally retarded, then surely

1. You'd no longer be you, you'd be someone else
2. You'd be capable of choosing sin, and would therefore no longer qualify for the free ticket
3. Surely the best way to be would be to be a spastic so that way you're guaranteed heaven.

Basically you're saying that life is a random lottery and some people just get a free pass.

Hell, babies can't make the choice between good and evil when they're in the womb, so surely abortion is just guaranteeing a place in Gods loving embrace for all eternity for your kids?

>>82522675

Canada just passed one, no?

>>82522322
How has this post, The only intelligent one in the thread so far, not received any replies?

>>82528843
>To note I'm being harsh against you atheists because I want you to be saved.
Don't worry bro I'll fuck whores and kill hobos for all my life and i'll repent on my deathbed.
See you in heaven.

>>82528760
They also decided they wanted us to be right wing capitalists, racist, sexist, and generally classist for some reason.

Despite the fact their favourite website is classless anonymous with little interference from Mods, the only hint at hierarchy.

>>82528864
>its another bibletard thinks this is an actual argument episode

top kek

>>82528912

And they put people that say shit about Muhammad openly in jail or execute them

>>82524417
>>82528867
Does Christianity even use that example of Hell anymore? Hell has always been a pretty malleable concept designed to spook people into giving money but I feel like the last few popes have eased off the gas on that shit, with Hell being "the absence of God's love".

Frankly the idea of Hell is my biggest issue with Christianity. It doesn't make sense for a loving god to punish people for eternity.

>>82528004
>extreme "feminists" say all men rape, and encompass everything under the RAPE banner
>this means even looking at clothed tits makes you a rapist
>therefore I am evil for being a man

That's how you sound. If you say everything is evil, or everything is rape, then nothing is. Sodomy may be a bad thing in christian religions, but that doesn't make it an automatically evil act. Where do you draw the line? Is a surgeon fixing a bad anal fissure going to hell because he put his hands in your ass region?

What's even worse is half the shit religiousfags say is bad, isn't. I was raised catholic, and was Jehovah's Witness a couple years after that. I read, heard, and practiced this religion shit. Once you add logic though it starts to fall apart. And here comes these contrarian neo-conservatives, parroting shit they heard in passing. Fuck you teens.

>>82528912
>plentiful
for tourists lmao. Not locals. There's a whole set of laws that don't apply to whitey, because it's also what makes them richer.

>>82528868
so why aren't we naturally perfect? or are you just saying that god is really shit at making things?

can we please put all this religion/athiests disagreement aside and at least agree that stephen fry is an annoying pompous git?

>>82528912
Wow religious people are hypocrites, who would have thought. That also has nothing to do with them having blasphemy laws, which they do.

Congrats on defending Saudi Arabia though, that's pretty edgy.

>>82528922
The thread has been arguing about that bullshit, there's no need to quote it.

>>82528780
holy fucking shit you're a mongoloid

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>>82522322
>being a Catholic in the year of our Lord 2017

>>82528958
>It doesn't make sense for a loving god to punish people for eternity.

He's only loving if you follow him.

If you don't, he's very hateful. Hence, hell.

(It's obviously a form of control through fear to get people to behave themselves. Nowadays, we have prison, which can be hell depending on where you live.)

>>82528916
>1. You'd no longer be you, you'd be someone else
Debateable. Not something I'll argue specifically one way or another since, as I mentioned before, how exactly it'll work is something I'm not in the know about.

>2. You'd be capable of choosing sin, and would therefore no longer qualify for the free ticket
Arguably true..but you'll be before God for judgement by then, and you're already past the point where said ticket being revoked would matter by that time.

>3. Surely the best way to be would be to be a spastic so that way you're guaranteed heaven.
I'm not sure what exactly you mean by this.

>>82529006
Why do you guys hate him so?
I think he's okay, he got me into Wagner.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWLp7lBomW8

>>82528956
again that doesnt disprove my argument.
just because saudi does it doesnt mean its in the holy book. dont forget saudi makes a lot of money off religious tourism, they have to keep up appearences. also
>they execute people for blasphemy alone
citation needed. also calm down bro.

>>82528934
Nerds, geeks, weaboos, animu/mangafags, gays, weirdos, autists, and just plain outcasts come to 4chan. Who would think they'd be conservative or even want to put restrictions on others? I blame plebbitors thinking all 4chan is /b/, and the dumbass teenage contrarians and newfags who follow suit.

>>82528909
The real 'godless universe' has no objective moral values no.

>>82528912
Saudi Arabia institutes some of the sharia and yes, they are not an Islamic State by any means but Alcohol and gambling are forbidden in the KSA. The punishment for it however is not by sharia, nor are the judges following Islam.

That being said, Blasphemy (Abandoning or changing the religion) is subject to punishment and the punished have 3 choices in an Islamic State: To leave the Islamic State, to repent their actions or if they do neither to be executed.

>>82528780
HAHAHAHAHAHAH
Okay faggot, make a cartoon about mohammed in a paper, even in countries where there AREN'T blasphemy laws the punishment is STILL death.
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

HOW CAN ANY ONE PERSON BE SO FUCKING IGNORANT

>>82529089
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blasphemy_law_in_Saudi_Arabia

Please kill yourself, shitposter.

>>82528971
>its a strawman episode

good golly i love those.

>>82528996
yes, exactly, thanks for proving my point!

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>>82528899
Why? What's your basis for that? Because it sounds nice and comforting? Because surely God wouldn't allow you to be disabled? Do you have any basis for believing this beyond "it sounds about right?"

If you have a severely mentally disabled kid, and then they die and you go up to heaven and they're there, but not severely mentally disabled, then that's not your kid. That's someone else.

What about disabilities in the form of deformities? Would downs syndrome people still look like they have downs? If so, why wouldn't midgets still look like midgets or people with severe spinal problems not still have fucked up backs?

Actually sit down and think about it. Question it, don't just say "ah because God" as a hand wave. Think about it.

>>82521736
The UK actually has blasphemy laws? top fucking kek. How fucking sad.

>>82529154

kys

>>82529050
What I mean is, if we all want to get into heaven for all eternity, surely we'd want to be severely retarded because that gets you a free ticket, and according to you, we'd get fixed up anyway.

>>82529174
ireland isn't the UK

>>82529220
Well anon you don't really get to pick mental retardation when you're born that's not really how it works.

>>82529220
Sounds like you're on your way to heaven, anon.