>host british tv show >get arrested

>>82476401
Blasphemy isn't illegal you moron

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it doesn't matter

the fryman is a fucking pervert

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>>82476454
Simply not true, anon. This is not the face of a pervert.

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>Suddenly he literally becomes his character from V for Vendetta
Thats some legitimateley disturbing shit
Someone needs to remind the UK that 1984 was a warning, not a fucking instruction manual.

>>82476442
try it in saudia arabia and see what happens kek

>>82476401
>police investigate a complain
>arrested
Way to go bongistannis. Remember to pay the fee for your cuck tax.

>>82476442
It is in Ireland.

While being interviewed on The Meaning of Life TV programme, Fry was asked what he would say to God if he had a chance.

“How dare you create a world in which there is such misery,” Fry replied. “It’s not our fault? It’s not right. It’s utterly, utterly evil. Why should I respect a capricious, mean-minded, stupid god who creates a world which is so full of injustice and pain?”

Fry said if he met the Greek gods he would accept them quicker because, “they didn’t present themselves as being all seeing, all wise, all beneficent”.

“Because the god who created this universe, if it was created by God, is quite clearly a maniac, an utter maniac, totally selfish. We have to spend our lives on our knees thanking him. What kind of god would do that?”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-suvkwNYSQo

He literally has done nothing wrong. He was answering a hypothetical question.

>>82476442
49 Countries according to blah blah.
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/stephen-frys-comments-on-god-could-lead-to-criminal-sanctions-against-him-in-many-countries-10018658.html

>>82476511
>go to a country with blasphemy laws
>commit blasphemy
>act surprised when the police investigate

I thought he was supposed to be this great intellectual

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>>82476492
thats the funny part

i felt like orwell and huxley did more harm then good by writing the blue prints of our destruction

>>82476530
He was answering a hypothetical question. >>82476511

1 (one) Irish guy complained and the police followed it up. It's nothing.

So did he badmouth Jews or Muslims?

>saying naughty things is blasphemous
>buttfucking men and letting members of a hostile religion in the country to rape your wommyns is not
Get your shit together, yurocuckeans

>>82476587
Neither.

>>82476511
>God sucks because bad things happen

I thought Fry was supposed to be smart.

>>82476511
He acts like he isn't the problem.

>>82476567
As long as there is a market place of ideas, sanity eventually prevails.

I fucking hope this sodomite cunt goes to jail for blasphemy.

>>82476602
Then the gods of the British were not blasphemed.

>>82476612
So he's the problem because he said something...
Said something...

>>82476511
>God doesn't exist because life is hard.

(((Atheist))) """""logic""""" everyone.

>>82476658
>hard.
Cruel.

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>>82476628
Literally the opposite is true. A lack of respect for religion is a sign of social decline.

>>82476511
kek what a retard

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Stephen Fry is a child-sex criminal on the scale of Jimmy Saville, probably a lot worse.
Right now he is the untouchable doyen of british entertainment. We will not likely find out the extent of his crimes until after he has died.

>>82476628
no you must acknowledge the absurdity of everything

>>82476631
Sharia law when?

>>82476559
>>82476611
He isn't smart, he's a posh nonce who recited facts spoken into his earpiece on a panel show.

Plenty of skeletons in his closet, probably wont come out until he dies like with Saville.

>>82476681
Horseshit, atheism leads to religion anyway, so what's your fuckin boggle?

>>82476681
Source on pic?

>>82476698
Okay, so attack him on that, and not because he made fun of your sky wizard you warrior for social justice.

>>82476511
He's right.

>>82476656
He's a sinner and a particularly bad type of sinner, a sodomite and an atheist. He's made the world a much worse place with what little power he's had. He's a hypocrite and frankly an idiot for thinking he's in a position to presume to judge God. Yes, he is the problem. He's Satan. So are you.

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>>82476442

>>82476732
>sky wizard
Ow the edge!
That guy aint not afraid of no phony G-ds!

>>82476498
>doesn't know the difference between Ireland and the UK

Lol pleb

>>82476757
You're a naughty troll.

>>82476732
SJW's attack religion all the time, you dumb faggot.

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>>82476698
Dunno what you mean lad

>>82476401
>ireland
>first world

>>82476731
"The Fate of EMpires" by John Glubb.

>>82476761
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4bQL-AfW3Y

I absolutely love this shit

>>82476781
I'm a dedicated Christian. Calling you out on your shit is no trolling. Repent or fuck off.

>>82476656
Imagine if Stephen Fry went on national TV every evening and called your mother a stupid whore cunt who chokes on nigger cum. Every evening. And then makes a career and writes tons of crappy books by calling your mother a dumb retarded slut for money. Would it not rustle your jimmies?

the guy who complained is a sjw anti christian leftie who is deliberately trting to drum up hatred against christians so he uses their own crazy rules against them

>>82476814
Oh so you're just an idiot then?
Not for being Christian but for not understanding the value of freedom of speech.

>>82476782
>literal call to arms for social justice
>b-but im not a social justice warrior
Eat a dick you sensitive little faggot. You are what you hate.

>>82476511
Stephen Fry married a 18 year old twink wo looks like a younger version of himself. Who is he to call anyone egotistical?

>>82476848
>social justice

You don't actually know what this means do you? Blasphemy laws predate all forms of cultural marxism. It's about preserving tradition and proper respect. You lolbertarian cunts are part of the reason society is rotting.

>>82476841
>Imagine if Stephen Fry went on national TV every evening and called your mother a stupid whore cunt who chokes on nigger cum.
He would not get a national platform to do that.
And that's also defamation of a REAL person.

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>>82476856
>wo looks like a younger version of himself

Fuck off. Mr Fry Jnr. is swagtastic

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>>82476814
You can say that, but Christ knows what's in your heart.

>>82476847
I'm referring to his entire moral character in response to the argument he presented and made no comment on the blasphemy investigation because I don't care what happens to him and nothing will until he goes to Hell when he dies. By the way my pastor was thrown in prison for delivering a sermon against sodomy. Some free speech people like you have given us here, hypocrite.

>>82476848
Pro-tip, it wasn't until the jews and cultural marcists began subverting society that blasphemy laws were overturned.

>>82476884
>muh buzzwords
Why would anyone take anything you say seriously?

>>82476481
how do i get a twink bf as a 60 year old man

>>82476884
"Blasphemy" laws are only used to protect Muslims and Jews and Hindus now. Christians are fair game.

>>82476923
Your Pastor should be able to blast sodomy up the ass from the pulpit if he wants. Cuts both ways.

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>>82476924
>cultural marcists

>>82476906
Literally no u: the response.

>>82476611
argue against that position, if you even know what it's called

>>82476963
No it doesn't. The Establishment hates Christianity and wants to destroy it. It passes laws against Christians and selectively enforces laws any way it can to hurt Christians. There is no free speech. Never has been. "Free speech" means being able to say anything you want against Christ but Christians being silenced. Go bake a cake.

>>82477058
>The Establishment hates Christianity and wants to destroy it.
With freedom of speech both ways it will still die anyways. It will just become another Jewish sub-cult.

>>82476988
>>82476511
>not believing in God because of the """"""Problem"""""" of Evil

>>82477106
Christianity is thriving. Atheism is dying. Stop appealing to discredited triumphalism like that has any bearing whatsoever on the truthvalue under discussion. Fucking THINK.

>>82477130
Well progress is tied to pragmatic truths.
Do you want progress or medieval-ism?
Your choice buddy.
And its all linked to freedom of speech.

>>82477165
"progress" is a myth.

>>82477189
Also the Middle Ages were a time of unprecedented advancements in technology and science and art. Things only picked up from there because they laid the groundwork. Stop swallowing propaganda and thinking its history.

>>82477189
You're communicating in realtime with someone halfway across the earth.
>"progress" is a myth.

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>>82476732
>sky wizard
Hello reddo

>>82477130
>atheism is dying
Nice try fag, atheism is larger than ever before. A hundred years ago you couldn't even say you don't belong to a church.

>>82476951
By being very rich.

>>82477228
And this technology will be wiped off the face of the earth when 10 billion Muslim Afticans swarm out of Africa in the next 100 years and there was no one to stop them because all of our babies got their brains sucked out by high tech gee wiz vacuum cleaners down at the abortion clinic. So much for progress. It's almost like there are metrics besides gadgetry you can measure the worth of societies by.

>>82476704
>skeletons in closet
Details please or are you just shitposting?

>>82476658
>(((Atheist))) """""logic""""" everyone.
You forgot to put the word "everyone" in stupid, superfluous punctuation. You could use curvy brackets/braces. Like this:

(((Atheist))) """""logic""""" {{{{{{{everyone.}}}}}}}

>>82477243
Same can be said for Scientology. Look at demographics. Amish and Mormons are growing exponentially. Atheists don't breed and what babies you do have you kill and mass media is dying so you don't have a captive audience to poison the well against Christianity anymore and you're importing millions of highly fertile Muslims and Roman Catholics and China is being baptized. So much for an atheist planet!

>>82476401
We've truly come full circle. Thank you, regressive left.

>>82476401
Is England's government controlled by religion?

>Karl Stefanovic in $6 million divorce settlement with ex-wife Cassandra Thorburn, reports

JUST

>>82477373
>Official title:
>Her Majesty Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, and of Her other Realms and Territories Queen, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith

Yes, technically

>>82477120
>bad things happen because the devil did it and God can't stop him

>>82476511
>stephen fry is THIS much of a philosophical pleb

>>82476770
>>82477241
It always hilarious to me how 4chan somehow aquired the mindset of crotchety old christian conservatives.

>>82477415
Your theological insights are astounding. You know that God does stop the devil, right? And He's only holding off out of mercy because stepping in will literally be the apocalypse, right? Have you even read the Bible? Have you ever even met a Christian?

>>82477453
It's the weirdest fucking thing. You'd think this place would be the exact opposite but apparently a lot of the people here are southern grandpas.

>>82477490
4chan is full of edgy contrarians. The rise of atheism has made us all pious

>>82477423
All modern """""intellectuals"""""" are positivist cucks who never picked a book on theology in their lives. In their mind, it's Aristotle-[HOLE LEFT BY EVIL CHURCH DARK AGES]-Descartes

https://qz.com/960303/bill-nye-on-philosophy-the-science-guy-says-he-has-changed-his-mind/

>>82477475
>god does stop the devil

Is that why children still get terminal diseases?

>>82476511
>pederast
>likes Greek gods

can't make this shit up

>>82476401
https://youtu.be/-suvkwNYSQo

>I don't like your God's morality, that's the reason I don't believe in it, I'm not atheist by using plain old logic

To me he seems more bitter about judaism/islam/christianity, than being a honest and real atheist.

Still not a reason to sue him for that. EU courts should punish Ireland for such crap.

>>82477415
Where is it written that God has to stop evil? He's not your fucking servant, you are his. Read Old Testament, God's not your buddy, you'd be lucky if doesn't salt pillar your ass out of sheer boredom

>>82477520
If God took away terminal disease, you'd just complain about the next worst thing. Maybe he does step in and you just don't know it.

>>82477589
>If God took away terminal disease, you'd just complain about the next worst thing

This guy gets it. Humans are just inherently shit creatures

>getting arrested for BLASPHEMY

literally lmao'ing at europe right now

>>82477607
>Haha stupid yuros amirite
>gets fired for microoffending a tranny
Thank you for being our shining example, Murika

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>>82477577
>Good goy. Keep that slave mentality and spread your butt's cheeks to God's chosen people when they exploit you.

>>82477589
so that means god is good because he stops things that are worse than terminal disease, but still lets children die of cancer?

>>82477377
J
U
S
T

>>82476511
>WAAHHH WHY DOES GOD GIVE HUMANS FREE WILL? HE'S SUCH A MEANIE, HE SHOULD INTERVENE WHEN IT SUITS ME AND STOP THINGS I CONSIDER BAD.

>>82477653
So do judens want to destroy christianity, or use it as enslavement device? Get your paranoid conspiracies in line, /pol/

>>82476893
They have anal sex.

>>82476481
The boy is legal. It's no different than old men and young women unless you're a homophobe.

>>82477690
This. I really don't understand how fucking dumb you have to be to not grasp this basic philosophical tenet.

>>82477735
Regularly, I imagine. They're married and homosexual

>>82477690
>>82477782
>babies are born with genetic deformities that kill them within months
>this is somehow justified because humans have free will
cool christian "philosophy"

>>82476511
>Why should I respect a capricious, mean-minded, stupid god who creates a world which is so full of injustice and pain?
Did this faggot degenerate never hear of original sin?

>>82477669
No, it means that argument is silly.

>>82477813
Stop fucking your sister
>babies
>mattering

>>82477813
Your point? Should God magically intervene and alter physical laws of the Universe that result in genetic deformities because some babby was born mangled?

>>82476401
old fag deserves it for being a pedophile

>hur durr god is bad lol
>totally not just taking this stance so i can pretend morals are subjective and fuck this guy 50 years younger than me

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If you act like a Muslim, they win.

>>82477707
>you're from /pol/ so you don't deviate from what most retarded burgers believe in there

You have to go back.

>>82477647
Better than to get arrested for offending someone else's imaginary friend.

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>>82477453
>>82477490
Nice samefagging
Who needs that phony gods blessing when you are enlightened by your own intelligence right?
You really wonder why atheists are mocked here?

>>82476856
he doesnt claim to be all good and all powerful

>>82477558
>To me he seems more bitter about judaism/islam/christianity, than being a honest and real atheist.
Of course he's bitter against them since they all condemn faggots and he's one of the biggest ones out there.

>>82476442
it was really ireland's 2009 defend islam cuck law, but they used it for christianity in this case

>>82476401
>Interviewed on TV show screened in Ireland, Fry asked ‘Why should I respect a mean-minded, stupid god who creates a world so full of injustice and pain?’

CHRISTKEKS

B T F O

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F

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>>82476559
>>82476704

t. retards who violate laws on a daily basis on purpose never mind all the ones they don't know about

>>82476681
>Don't believe in fairy tales
>Our civilization is doomed
Makes sense

>>82478029
Yes he does. All leftists do.

>>82479071
"And you!" fallacy. Forget how to spell the French.

imagine the massive shitstorm if he talked about islam kek

>>82476401
is Stephen Fry even proper gay?

he's said he doesn't do butt stuff

>>82477453
It happened when all the reddit fedora atheist shit started really taking off, 4chan is a contrarian website above all else and once it became popular to be an edgy atheist everyone decided they were hardcore Christians for life. People forget that this site used to be a caricature of the enlightened by my own intellect type fedora atheists.

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>>82476481
>>82476698
>>82476789

>>82477876
If he doesn't intervene then literally what is the point of him "existing".

>>82476401
He did an interview in Ireland (Catholic state).

Idiot.

>people think the "investigation" is anything other than a technicality that one guy will be assigned to over a silly law.

The result will be "No further action will be taken against Mr.Fry"

>>82480113
When you do something right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all

>>82477589
If god is omnipotent and wants the best for us he could just go down the list of complaints until we are all blissful.

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>>82476492

the people who say this tag line are people who have never read 1984

>>82477829
God knows everything.
That means he knew the original sin would happen even before he created the first humans.
Because he's omnipotent he couldve just prevented it.
It's his fault.

>>82480184
it's funny because the original is some /pol/ faggot with milo heads coming out of his face

>>82480142
No you need to suffer. Don't worry though, if you get cancer or something that's just part of God's great plan :)

>>82480004
i dont think its just mindless contrarians.
seeing outside people beating your dead horses years later is polarizing as fuck.

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>>82480218

well thats like saying you know if you program something its going to get a bug but since you know it will have a bug you should have prevented it

>>82480248
Its not, that would be a parody

>>82480325
>well thats like saying you know if you program something its going to get a bug but since you know it will have a bug you should have prevented it
Only applies if i knew what bug would happen and how to prevent it.
Since god is all powerful he could.
A human programer cant because they are flawed.

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>>82476481
>27 yo

>>82476698
>Right now he is the untouchable doyen of british entertainment.

You mean like Rolf Harris?

>>82480325
>write program
>know this program is going to have x bug in it
>distribute it anyway
>people complain about the bug
>tell them its not my fault even though i knew the bug was going to happen and i could have prevented it ever happening

>>82480351

If he was all powerful he knew from the begging it was part of the creation and knew he would have to

I don't see what you think the flaw is

you don't bake a cake all at once, once its out the oven you know you will want to decorate it or add a topping later

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>>82480413
>it's not a bug, it's a feature.

>>82476511
*BURRRP* g-gods not real morty

>>82480415
So you're saying he wanted the original to occur?

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>>82480299
>mfw i maintain a fairly popular piece of software and i pulled this shit and now the bug is now one of the more popular "features" of the program

>>82480383
Rolf was never untouchable

>>82480500
meant for
>>82480443

Why is 4chan so conservative? I feel like people here are contrarian towards the majority of other people their age just because they think they are annoying. But the thing is, most of what you are seeing on the internet is showing the worst in liberalism.

>>82480458

no I am saying it was part of his plan

he made humans knowing they would eventually sin, since they would have freewill

the humans are made however but since he had the foresight he knew he would also need to help them grow


you are suggesting he should never have given humans free will because he could see the future outcome and shouldn't of helped them develop mentally and instead should have just created a new race of non-free will humans like puppets

>>82480537
It's just contrarianism. This site had a noticeable slant towards the left during the Bush years (although not very pronounced as politics in general was not really a popular topic of discussion outside of mocking Bill O'Reilly or Bush). There was a very clear general support of Obama in the runup to the 2008 elections, though.

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>>82480537

looks like you could say....you have done the maths

*tips*

QI is anti christian though.

It even stooped to using false theorys from the zeitgeist movie.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSm7YPMQOSo

>>82480563
Then why did he make us so incredibly flawed?
Just for shits and giggles?

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>Christians being butthurt that their cult is becoming more and more irelevant

I'm so glad nobody gives a shit about the church in bongistan, churches are shutting down left right and centre

>>82476841
So god is your mother?

>>82480650
He didn't make us flawed, we are flawed because we can choose

>>82480650

>freewill is a flaw

get out of here commie

>>82480680
>inb4 predictable copy+paste joke about le mosques or something islam related

>>82480691
So its a choice to be born disabled?

>>82480739
It's a choice not to use eugenics to design ideal babies

>>82477607
>some atheist guy in Ireland nit picks through the constitution/laws and finds some century old bullshit about blasphemy
>he hates christians and wants to see everyone hate christains too
>he logs a complaint with the police demanding they follow the law
>they ask him what law has been broken / who is offended
>he says he is not offended but the law is rediculous so he wants to see it enacted and the police not to turn a blind eye
>police have to officially log his complaint
>nobody is arrested or will be

>>82480563
If God didn't want a puppet race, why does anyone who doesn't unquestioningly believe his existence and follow his rules go to hell? It seems pretty clear what he wants.

>>82480759
What about all the people born before prenatal diagnosis?

>>82480759
>cant tell if the kid is going to be born disabled until it's already been conceived
>can't babbort babby because it's against g-d's wishes
??

>>82480732
Fun fact: Bongistani Muslims have the same issue as Christians, each generation has a steep drop in mosque attendance. Only 1st gen migrants maintain the same level as in their native countries.

It's why the more radical ones send their kids off to stay with relatives in Pakistan to stop them being corrupted by filthy western secularism.

>>82480805
They share in the Kingdom of Heaven having died without sin

>>82480829
What about original sin?
Is that not relevant in those cases?

>>82480739
Why would being physically or mentally disabled be a flaw to God? He's exclusively interested in the human soul, and no one gets born with a disabled soul.

>>82480843
Jesus' sacrifice redeemed humanity, we no longerrisk Hell simply for Eve's sin

Law is only applicable under the dominion of God.

>>82480868
What about all those before jesus?
>>82480852
If nobody has a disabled soul, why do some people deserve hell?

>>82480868
>Eve's sin

Adam ate the apple as well.

>>82480897
>What about all those before jesus?

They languished in purgatory because of the sin of their mother. When Jesus died, though it's routinely ommitted nowadays, it's written tht he descended into Hell, and brought salvation to those who were lost as he then ascended into Heaven.

>>82480911
At the urging of Eve

>>82480897
Because the choices they made in life seperate them from God.

God doesn't condemn you to hell, you segregate yourself from him through your actions which eventually leaves you unable to connect with him, leading to suffering.

No one is born that way.

>>82480938
Adam was older, he should have known better than to listen to ribgirl.

>offend God
>He calls the cops on you

Gee, a little thin-skinned there

>>82480944
He's not able to connect to you if you were naughty?
Seems kinda weak for an omnipotent being.
>>82480938
So they just deserved to suffer a little before they were saved?

Why did god even have to go through all the chartade with jesus to absolve the sin?
If he is the one sending people to heaven and hell he doesnt need to absolve anything, he is the one who decides.

>>82481048
He doesn't decide, that's the point. We decide for ourselves through our actions in this life

>>82480142
Then you can't be absolved of your suffering and you would have no free-will. What you're asking for is infinite pleasure and infinite goodness, which are for you in heaven, you must atone for sin.

>>82480793

you put your self in hell for being a dick, not because you didn't follow the guide on not being a dick

>>82481068
But he made the rules.
He then created the humans, knowing that most of them would fail.
Eternal suffering on one hand, no free will on the other.
I know what i'd choose.
>>82481073
>you must atone for sin.
Why? God already knows if you deserve heaven or hell, why do you need to prove it with an action?

>>82480982
more like
>don't read and memorise some elliot rodgers-tier manifesto god left behind
>succumb to humanly desires
>make mistakes every now and then
>still live an ultimately good life and leave a positive impact on the world
>sentenced to the most unimaginable pain for eternity because you didn't use your free will to do what you were told

lol merciful god right guys? if you're going to be christian, bite the bullet and be a catholic. at least they acknowledge how much of a bitch he can be

>>82481108

listen you are trying to argue about something you don't know much about and keep going back to the same argument without fully understanding what was said

you seem to have trouble with the concept "freewill" and "foresight"

>>82481108

you argument is why didn't he make it perfect in one go

when its part of the process

>>82481153
You missed a step

>admit your failings to god and sincerely seek his unlimited mercy
>be forgiven
>be welcomed to eternal paradise in Heaven

>>82477690
You people must be trolling or religious people are even dumber than I thought. Call me a fedora or whatever you want to dismiss me, but if you can't see how the argument that an 'all benevolent' being created a universe with shitty things happening in it, is contradictory to it being an all benevolent being, and not see how that is valid criticism then you cannot think critically and you should fuck off back to school.

>>82479521
He did though, he was criticizing all abrahamic beliefs

>>82481220
>admit your failings to god and sincerely seek his unlimited mercy
How would you get to that step if your free will has lead you not to believe in god?

>tfw christfags are now the underage edgelords

>>82481108
I don't know why you have the impression that God is simply benevolent towards mankind. Or that goodness can only be measured in how much suffering there is. God simply is and his will is the universe, we cannot possibly hope to understand it.

As for your argument of no suffering being better than free-will. Please read some entry-level philosophy, this is literally tackled in The fucking Matrix of all things. That should be enough for your pleb little brain to handle.

>>82476401
Going to appeal to his Wilde complex biggly. Depraved adaption of Ballad of Reading Gaol incoming.

>>82481220
that's that works bud. but let me try again:
>grow up in buddhist country
>live life as a monk spreading kindness and donating your time to help the needy all over the country
>sentenced to hell for eternity to be subjected to the worst sensations beyond human comprehension because you picked the wrong one

A gay jewish atheist in an Islamic country?
Still not asking for it

>>82480415
>commiting blasphemy while defending God
?????

>>82481279

Christianity is what you say goes apparently

do people switch of when talking to you?

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thank god we live in AMERICA and don't have to put up with stupid shit like this, right?

right?

>>82481279
If Buddha's so great, get him to save your soul

>>82481279
Buddhism isn't incompatible with Christianity, the difference is that Buddhism is more about your relationship to nature whereas Christianity is about the self and a relationship with God. Buddha isn't a saviour, he doesn't absolve suffering that can only be done through Christ.

>>82481324
>Christianity is what you say goes apparently

El oh el. I know you're being facetious but that's pretty much the point. And yeah most people actively ignore me, I'm a social failure.

>>82476559
He is a stupid person's idea of a smart person

Just stop believing in god. It makes no difference to your life. It not hard.

>>82480142

That's not what's best for us.

Look you don't have to be Christian or religious if you don't want to, honest, but the faith is internally consistent. It's completely ignorant to the purpose of religion when people argue that any point of meaningful theological meditation is some blown-out loophole that ruins the whole thing. You dot have to like the faith, but it adds up at the very least.

>>82481448
> He says as he leads a completely unfulfilled and unhappy existence with no inherent value

>>82477307
what do you think "nonce" means?

>>82481448
Why shouldn't I believe in God, though?

>>82481356
What the fuck is wrong with you, America. Why are you mutilating dicks?

>>82481507
Waste of time.

>>82481520
She was in prison not because she didn't want her son to be cut, but because she initially agreed to it but then changed her mind and disappeared with the kid for like a week without talking the matter over with her husband like a sane person. Granted they're both retarded for agreeing to do it in the first place.

>>82481468
>assuming things this hard
Man, not everyone experiences life like you. Relax and let others do their thing. You're being the religious version of the fedora tipper right now.

>>82481567
It's my time, I do what I want with it.

>>82480793

Hell is a state of being without God, for a soul to deny God is the very nature of suffering. One severs their self from God's love by denying it's existence, and so the soul suffers not to feel it, in its state of denial.

Please drop your erroneous notion of God as a power hungry human egomaniac. We are talking about the eternal creator beyond all things, here. Please stop confusing God for your local pastor or angry father. Look into the concept for yourself, not for others.

>>82481599
Fair.

>>82476735
thanks alt-right
>>82480218
>Because he's omnipotent he couldve just prevented it.
well humans should have obeyed the command god gave them

really you're asking god to protect humans from themselves

>>82481448

Whatever do you mean, my faith in God has brought me great success and happiness. I couldn't do what I do without it.

>>82481582
That kid is going to grow up with issues

>>82481620
I'm glad that your tiny atheist brain undestood that. Don't reply to me ever again.

>>82480828
i thought second generation muslims were more radical than their parents? i read that shit somewhere

>>82481628
Thats like giving a child razorblades to play with and saying it has the free will not to hurt itself.

>>82481608
>Hell is a state of being without God, for a soul to deny God is the very nature of suffering. One severs their self from God's love by denying it's existence, and so the soul suffers not to feel it, in its state of denial.


But why would god design reality to work like this? He made the rules, he could just snap his fingers and your soul would be just as happy without him as with him.

>>82481279

Whoever said that you go to Hell just for being a Buddhist? Buddhism doesn't in any way call for false worship.

>>82481686
That's if you're pessimistic, the point is that human beings are capable of both good AND evil. It comes down to a choice, one that God has provided.

>>82480537
>Why is 4chan so conservative?
because liberal positions are a slippery slope towards total degeneracy as the last few years of sjw nonsense have shown
>>82481686
so you're saying humans are as stupid as children?

and no it's more like saying "hey timmy you can do anything except play with those razorblades" and then timmy plays with the razor blades

timmy's a little shit in that scenario
>>82481736
i highly doubt you know what you're talking about

>>82481769
Why do you doubt that exactly?

>>82481723
you definitely go to hell for being a practicing buddhist

>>82481769
>so you're saying humans are as stupid as children?
Compared to an omniscient omnipotent being yes.
>timmy's a little shit in that scenario
No he's not, he has a curious nature.

>>82480944
>you segregate yourself from him through your actions which eventually leaves you unable to connect with him, leading to suffering.

doesnt the bible say that people who dont know that jesus is lord will go to hell even if theyve lived a righteous life?

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>meanwhile in america

>>82481812
if you are this guy:
>>82481723
>Whoever said that you go to Hell just for being a Buddhist?
then you know nothing about church doctrine
>>82481822
>Compared to an omniscient omnipotent being yes.
sounds like you want that omniscient omnipotent being to be your bitch

god isn't your bitch
>No he's not, he has a curious nature.
if your creator and lord tells you not to do this one thing and enjoy your perfect life in paradise, then you don't fucking do that shit

>>82481867
I'm not.

>>82481670
>Complains about brain size.
>Actually believes in a space wizard.

>>82481867
>enjoy your perfect life in paradise
But he has never shown me evidence for that perfect life.
He hasnt even shown me evidence for his excistence.

>>82481892
>But he has never shown me evidence for that perfect life.
dude we're talking about adam and eve
>He hasnt even shown me evidence for his excistence.
god is not your bitch, you are perfectly free to be a little shit and burn in heel for all eternity

>>82481915
That doesnt sound very benevolent to me.

Apparently Fry doesn't do or get bum fucking. I'm as straight as the next man, but why have that twink as a husband and not fuck him up the arse? I mean literally what's the point.

no trolling meant but I find it crazy that educated people from the first world can still pick a religion and think that they're going to go to some sort of paradise after their death by following some arbitrary rules written in a constantly updated manual.

>>82481976
well obviously you're too stupid to understand god's plan
>>82481988
wait the twink is the top?

>>82481976
Because he's not benevolent. Stop trying to constrain God to your simplistic idea of morality.

>>82481696

>why did God design reality the way he did?
There's no reasoning about God, God is the highest reason and is not beholden to any reason below. All reason was created by Him, how could we even ask 'why' if He had not created this?

To me though ultimately that question belongs to God, it is our nature in life to reconcile the difference between our transient ego and eternal truth. But enough with the God talk, the fact is you know that you have a universal obligation towards a real truth that you can detect, and you know that your ego can cause great disloyalty to that truth. It's a context for personal growth and authenticity. The universe exists as it does, it abides by rules, and we as a part of the universe can thrive within it by being wise to those rules and cooperating with them as individuals.

>>82481678
Some are, but that's a minority of the wider group and the radicals actually tend to be less active religiously, despite using religion to justify their supremacist political beliefs.

Same way /pol/ doesn't go to church, but still yells DEUS VULT and calls anyone without 'traditional Christian values' a degenerate.

>>82481821
>>82481867

Which church? Not even the Catholics believe this.

>>82481996

You have a very mundane and cursory relationship with religion, then.

It's some real Jewish trickery to rob Europe of its religions, replace them with Semitic one and brainwash the people to think that it is integral to their culture and their society can't function without it.

Islam spread by the sword, but European (and by extension American) Christians really have no fucking excuse for being such cucks.

>>82481976
>Only my definition of benevolence is valid, not some supreme being

Yeah, and a five year old who's parent says no to candy for every meal doesn't think they're benevolent either, yet will probably thank them years later when they grow up without being severely obese and missing all their teeth.

This is where a lot of 'rationalists' fall down; they can't accept the idea that their current understanding of the universe is limited, and certainly can't accept there's hard limits of what they could ever understand.

>>82482120
Pagan religions were shit-tier. They got swept away in the bulk of Europe long before Islam was even a thing.

>>82482126
So he cant do whats best for us without making us suffer and question him?
Doesnt sound very omnipotent to me.
And if he is so beyond comprehension how do you even know he wants us to believe in him and worship him?
He could just be fucking with us and reward the most cruel and least religious people.

>>82482157
Semitic religion in this context means Christianity.

>>82482079
if you are legitimately interested in learning more about christianity i'm sure there are plenty of subreddits able to offer their support.

this thread is for shitposting not spoon-feeding

>>82481996
that's because you don't know anything about religion
>>82482079
> To die in mortal sin without repenting and accepting God's merciful love means remaining separated from him for ever by our own free choice.
from the catechism

if you don't believe in god then you can't accept his love
>>82482201
>christianity is reddit
what

>>82481915
>you are perfectly free to be a little shit and burn in heel for all eternity

why would a perfect, loving god need to create a hell and send souls there for eternity for a finite amount of sin?

>>82482165

>He could just be fucking with us and reward the most cruel and least religious people
They were called the Isrealites, anon. You're actually pretty in tune with the Old Testament conversation, you might get a lot out of a read.

>>82482102
I mean, it's a historical fact that religions come and go with civilizations, there were mayan god(s), there were african gods, there were greek gods, etc etc. Now we have settled with a few major ones but even then there are still a variety of sub religion in the worlds. How can anyone be so self centered as to think that all the other religions were actually misunderstandings, false beliefs, but their own is the real thing ? How do you decide which one you have to follow out of muslim, judaism, catholicism and buddhism ? I don't know man, I understand why people need to believe but I'll never understand how they can keep believing in the current world

>>82481988

anal sex isn't particularly pleasant without a bit of practice. It's not like with a porn star where they can fit half an arm up their pooper. Dude might have just put his dick in a really dirty mudhole or he got stretched by some guys monster meat. That shit can scar you for life.

>>82482157
If they were shit tier, why are a significant amount of their practices were adopted by Christianity?

Of course they couldn't just convert Yuros directly to the desert Jew form of Christianity. Had to ease it in by appropriating a lot of the Pagan stuff that was already known and loved.

>>82482228
I'll be honest, this is my main problem with christianity. Is there a single crime that's worth eternal punishment?

>>82481881
What the fuck did I tell you?

>>82482228
>>82482266
>why would a perfect, loving god need to create a hell
it's not difficult for god to create anything
>and send souls there for eternity for a finite amount of sin
>Is there a single crime that's worth eternal punishment?
to be fair, is there anything you can do that is worth eternal bliss? god doesn't half-ass things

>>82482216
real christians don't participate in nonsensical partisan politics

>>82482303
Sorry for intruding your safe space.

>>82482216
>>82482201

>CCC 1033 We cannot be united with God unless we freely choose to love him. But we cannot love God if we sin gravely against him, against our neighbor or against ourselves: "He who does not love remains in death. Anyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him."612 Our Lord warns us that we shall be separated from him if we fail to meet the serious needs of the poor and the little ones who are his brethren.613 To die in mortal sin without repenting and accepting God's merciful love means remaining separated from him for ever by our own free choice. This state of definitive self-exclusion from communion with God and the blessed is called "hell."

Nothing about Buddhism calls for a disbelief in greater forces or doubt of singular divinity. Vatican II also directly says that the Catholic Church is certainly not the only way to heaven.

I've got a question for your christ types. Its been really bothering me. I have homosexual tendencies, but I have never once acted on them. Am I fucked? Is it the simply desire that is sinful or does one actually have to get involved in the down and dirty of things?

>>82482352
>Sorry for intruding your safe space.

It's the other way around. Only atheists complain about "shitstians invading muh internet".

Now behave.

>>82482355
i have been in buddhist temples before and the respect paid to buddha is certainly blasphemous/idolatry

>>82482304
>and send souls there for eternity for a finite amount of sin
Its a pretty damning condemnation when the creation (us) has a better sense of justice than the creator.
Let me write it bluntly: The Christian God is an idiot.

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>>82476401
'about time.

>>82482244

Every religion is 'on to something', they aren't wholesale false, many simply consider Christianity the best path.

>>82480325
>well thats like saying you know if you program something its going to get a bug but since you know it will have a bug you should have prevented it


Do you happen to work for Bethesda or Bioware by any chance?

>>82482412

Is Mary an idol? Also I'm down with Buddhist iconoclasm.

>>82482126

but if the child doesnt listen to his parents and eats candy, his parents arent going to torture him FOREVER for it.

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>>82482325
that's nice
>>82482355
>Nothing about Buddhism calls for a disbelief in greater forces or doubt of singular divinity.
i know that buddhists believe in a pantheon of gods
>Vatican II also directly says that the Catholic Church is certainly not the only way to heaven.
but it does say that you must believe in God
>>82482405
>Is it the simply desire that is sinful or does one actually have to get involved in the down and dirty of things?
if you repent then it's fine
>>82482417
>Let me write it bluntly: The Christian God is an idiot.
pic related buddy

if you were really smart then you wouldn't have committed original sin, would you?
>>82480325
>>82482461
this is a poor analogy because people are not programs, they have free will

>>82482405
Not a christfag but I've acted on my bi-curiosity once. Hated it and regretted it afterwards. Had no tendencies since. If you can flush it out of your system without acting on it then do that. Otherwise the only way to get rid of those feelings is to try it.

>>82482469
mary is the holy mother, in terms of power levels it goes:

holy trinity > mary > saints > pope > everyone else

>>82482432
>Every religion is 'on to something', they aren't wholesale false
oh yeah ? even scientology ? even space noodles & meatballs ? your statement is pulled right out of your ass, you have no idea what all these other religions are about and there is at least 3/4 of the world population that disagree about Christianity being the best path

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>>82482504

>>82482470
and if the child listens to his parents he isn't going to be rewarded FOREVER for it

the stakes in general are higher with god, you get the chance for eternal bliss and eternal suffering

>>82482259
>appropriating

/pol/ is such a fucking horseshoe of tumblr these days it's not funny.

>>82482405
You goin to hell boi, better start stretching so you can handle that fiery hot demon dick.

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>>82482417
>Let me write it bluntly: The Christian God is an idiot.
Edge of The Thread Award goes to

>>82476401
Who do we kill or frame for pedophilia now to ensure this never happens in the USA?

>>82482545
>even scientology
Initial 'wins' in auditing and the entry level exercises are pretty interesting.

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>>82482576

>>82482504
>>82482576
really sliced him in half with your razor sharp wit there
anon BTFO and will never ever recover

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>>82482567

Welp, guess the only way is to find a big black cock to ride and maybe pick myself up one of these.

>>82482470
>his parents arent going to torture him FOREVER for it.

No but he'll suffer from his obesity and shitty teeth, the consequences of his actions, which his parents tried, out of love for him, to help him avoid, but he used his free will to ignore them. Same for God and Hell.

Hell isn't a place of punishment God sends you too for ignoring him, it's just the consequence of your actions.

>>82482610
>>82482548
Oh shit he brought 9gag pictures, Christianity is over!

>>82477735
unironically I know that they don't
I only know it because fry was talking to some african cunt and when he asked why gayness was wrong the black guy said "bepnis in butehole is bad kk::D:D:D:D:D:D" and then fry said he only does oral
I remember because he looked especially greasy and unpleasant in that program

>>82476492
>Someone needs to remind the UK
>UK

This is IRELAND, they are an actual country you know

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>>82477755
Don't suffer faggots. Kill them. If you can't kill them, steal their belongings and beat them.

>>82476813
I haven't laughed like that in years. The first clip with the table is genius.

>>82477377
Wonder if he's still going to virtue signal after this.

>>82482548
>i will kill myself
the romans and jews sacrificed jesus dumbass

if you believe that god is responsible for everything then you're a nihilist
>>82482513
you'd better repent and mean it deep down buddy, reading your post it doesn't seem like you really regret your sin

>>82482545

Religion is an attempt to interface with your own spirit. No, filing for a tax break doesn't automatically make you a true and faithful religion, but even when being done as a total sarcastic con there will be some philosophy involved. I didn't say every religion was correct, I said every religion is 'on to something'. There's clearly such a massive overlap in beliefs across each religion (even though skeptics can't help but only notice the differences) that it's actually impossible to say that Catholicism is entirely right and every other religion is entirely wrong.

I also never once implied Christianity was a universally accepted religion because it clearly is not.

>>82482625
>it's just the consequence of your actions.
But god made the rules, so he is responsible.

>>82482636
>>82482636
Ireland is an island you stupid fuck. The Republic of Ireland is a country. Fucking Norther Ireland isn't even part of the Republic of Ireland.

>>82476813
christ arabs are the scourge of the planet

>>82482675
>you'd better repent and mean it deep down buddy, reading your post it doesn't seem like you really regret your sin
I don't believe in sin so i don't have to repent. Its now nothing more than an experience that I cringe to from time to time.

>>82482684

How is a lawmaker responsible for the behavior of people who break their laws?

>>82482734
If you get rid of all laws, there wouldn't be any crime.

>>82482734
That analogy would only make sense if lawmakers were the creators of crime (the acts not the definition).
And then yeah, they're at fault.

>>82482405

like an evil dictator the god of the bible condemns thought crimes.

>>82482707
Right because when people say America they really mean the combined continents of North and South America.

Learn colloquialisms you mongoloid.

>>82482799
>gets called out for faggotry
>gets butthurt

Irish anon here, this is an absolute nothin story being brought up by some farmer in a rural area. It's no different to bringing up really old laws still in existence in other countries and states such as reporting someone for not firing their flare fun every 1 km of driving in America.

>>82482675
>the romans and jews sacrificed jesus dumbass
So you mean all the supposed 'inspired prophesy' in the OT about his being a lamb for the slaughter was garbage after all? I agree that is absolutely true.

>>82482417
>Let me write it bluntly: The Christian God is an idiot.

or maybe if god exists he is a demon who enjoys cruelty.

>tfw religion is slowly but surely dying
Fucking finally, no more crusades, no more priests raping kids, no more inquisitions, no more terrorism. The west will be the first to be free of this cancer, and when the muslims even think of trying some shit, we'll wipe them off the face of this planet, and the world will finally know peace

>>82482244
>How do you decide which one you have to follow out of muslim, judaism, catholicism and buddhism ?
buddhism is a bit of a different beast. it's more like new age "meditate and see for yourself" type of thing, not "there's this god and you have to believe in him"

otherwise, people are mostly retarded, easily influenced (see this site) and usually conform for the sake of conforming

>>82482682
>There's clearly such a massive overlap in beliefs across each religion (even though skeptics can't help but only notice the differences) that it's actually impossible to say that Catholicism is entirely right and every other religion is entirely wrong
the point is that if it isn't entirely right, then it is wrong. It doesn't have to be entirely wrong to be wrong. Why consider yourself religious if your religion is wrong ? Why follow all these rules if some of them are wrong ? Why follow any rules if you have any idea which one is right and which one is wrong ? how do you have any idea which one is potentially more right and which one potentially more wrong ? If there is a god, a single one, and he wants you to follow certain rules in order to prove your faith, why doesn't he communicate these rules to the world ? Let's take islam, it is forbidden to eat pork or drink wine, and they're very serious about that taboo. Meanwhile, the rest of the world eat it without even thinking about it and are basically doomed to an eternity of damnation.

It's ridiculous really, if you want to defend the concept of faith you can but not within the frame of adherence to existing religions.

>>82482856
>So you mean all the supposed 'inspired prophesy' in the OT about his being a lamb for the slaughter
the jews and romans slaughtered him, god fattened him up
>>82482861
ow the edge
>>82482874
> religion is slowly but surely dying
no it isn't, the west is dying and islam is expanding

>>82482861

Oh we're getting into some Gnostic demiurge stuff. This I can get behind.

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>>82482851
>reporting someone for not firing their flare fun every 1 km of driving in America.

Actually, you only need to honk. It is only in some states like Pennsylvania and it is only because of farm animals in the road, which doesn't really happen anymore since fencing is a thing now.

>>82482897
>god fattened him up
Well isn't he also part of the Godhood?
So he fattened himself for the slaughter.
Tada :)

>>82482874
Ah yes and all the good things religion has done for society? Helping the impoverished in Ireland when no one else would? Sending troops to fight for Ireland's independence? Setting the values and morality of society including massively supporting mental health as well as building beautiful architecture and creating a sense of community and educating poor children's when no one else would but yes fuck le religion because the sky fairy isn't real.

Christianity is the ultimage method of living a fulfilling life. It may not be written by a God but it is the collective wisdom of humanity's passed through the ages.

>>82481988

in ancient greece penetration between men was a no no, it was considered deviant, frottage, manual and oral stimulation, that's where it's at guy

civilized people have known that for thousands of years

>>82482851
Tennessee and Mississippi both have laws that require female drivers to have a male flagger walking front of the vehicle.

>>82482952
>it is the collective wisdom of humanity's passed through the ages.

That's it? That's all humanity could come up with? fucking lol

>>82482528
>in terms of power levels it goes:

more like retard levels. do everything the nigger feet kissing pope says guys.

>>82482952
>Christianity is the ultimage method of living a fulfilling life.
It really is, I'm going to rape and murder as many little girls as possible, then before I die I'll sincerely apologize to Jesus and go to Heaven! Now that's a fair and just religion right there

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>>82482953

Yea I mean who wants a poop dick? Rather just rub cocks with a nice QT trap.

>>82480060

lol

>>82482551
>you get the chance for eternal bliss and eternal suffering

if you love someone, how can you send them to hell? god loves everyone, right?

>>82483046
>I'll sincerely apologize to Jesus and go to Heaven!
You'll probably just have to also pay a fine, but then you'll be good to go through the pearly gates.

>>82483101
>if you love someone, how can you send them to hell
i guess you've never loved anyone have you anon

>>82483046
>hen before I die I'll sincerely apologize to Jesus
if you accept the teachings of christ you will find it very hard to sincerely believe you are worthy of heaven

So I want to become religious, which religion is the right one?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_deities
Please tell me which one is and give me a valid reason, I don't want to fuck this up

>>82482625
>Hell isn't a place of punishment God sends you too for ignoring him, it's just the consequence of your actions.

what about the people who live life without ever hearing about christ? they go to hell even if theyve been good all their life. its just not fair and a perfect, all knowing, all powerful, loving god would not do this.

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Is this a roleplaying thread?

Why has no one posted the copy pasta yet?

>>82483184
>if you accept the teachings of christ you will find it very hard to sincerely believe you are worthy of heaven
You're one step away from being a Sadducee.
God is sharpening a lightning bolt.
Be careful.

>>82482645

this guy preaching islam lel

Imagine being a fucking retard like Mother Teresa or something, waiting all your life to go to some magical place and then you die and it's nothingness itself. Well at least she didn't find out but it'd be great if consciouness lasted for a bit longer and made you realize you lived all your stupid life waiting for something that doesn't exist

>>82483295
that's not just islam.

>>82483323
She's a Saint now right?

Worked out for her I guess

>>82482874
Religion is growing in the US and africa

Even in places like the uk Mormanism and catholicism are growing

>>82483268
the sadducees had a point
>being on the side of the pharisees
>>82483323
>Imagine being a fucking retard like Mother Teresa or something, waiting all your life to go to some magical place and then you die and it's nothingness itself.
>imagine being nothingness itself
atheist brainlets everyone

>>82482684
God gave you free will, you're responsible for your actions.

>>82483238
>people who live life without ever hearing about christ?

All people hear Christ, even if they've never heard of the Bible.

>a perfect, all knowing, all powerful, loving god would not do this.

Says you. So toddlers throw temper-tantrums saying their parents don't love them whenever they don't get their way.

>>82482778

Would that be best for everyone, to remove all notion of law so as not to offend offenders?

>>82482782
Reject the idea if you'd like, but a humans choices are their own, though it is God who grants people free will.

>>82483442
Without laws crimes still exist.
But if god changed the rules suddenly the problem has a solution.

>>82483323

Haha what an idiot, she fed nations and spread her vision of acting good will through massive humanitarian efforts, all as an agent of a non-physical spirit which she is now existentially and actually tied to, even long after her death.

>>82483413
>atheist brainlets everyone
Oh really? Jews believed in a resurrection.
In other words if you're dead you're dead.
Daniel 12:13, But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt REST, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.

>>82483499

We do have a solution, be true to God. This isn't some cheap trick to make life as easy as possible for humans, you know. It's an ideology that motivates people to be responsible to the universe.

>>82483599
you can't be nothingless dumbass, if you're nothing then you're not you

>>82483661

But nothingness exists, and nothingness is it's self. Can nothingness be?

>>82483661
If you're dead you're what is referred to as a cadaver. You are no longer there. You have no consciousness and can perform no work: From dust to dust.
And that is why Jesus referred to Lazarus as sleeping dumbass.
Modern Christian theology is inherited from the Greeks.

>>82483716
thanks plato
>>82483727
>If you're dead you're what is referred to as a cadaver. You are no longer there.
if you're no longer there then you can't be a cadaver can you?
>And that is why Jesus referred to Lazarus as sleeping dumbass.
no the point was that he wasn't dead he was sleeping, he wasn't resurrected at all it just looked like a resurrection
>Modern Christian theology is inherited from the Greeks.
t. pharisee