Did the studios fuck this up or the writers?

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>>82443294
I'll actually go with the writers. Overall the movie wasn't as bad as most reviewers made it out to be, and the white-washing casting they all focused on was a complete non-issue. The production values were great overall, and it looked gorgeous, barring the god-awful wig on Johansen (a fuller bob-cut rather than the thin bedraggled looking thing).

It's just the writers dumbed it down a lot and tacked on that stupid tropey origins story to the Major's history and it dragged what was decent plot to the mud. Actually enjoyed the final fight too though it was missing the bit where the cannonfire wrecks the evolution/tree of life wall frieze.

>>82443698
i blame Rupert Sanders for fuck up. what i get from Scarlett try keep many of themes.

>>82443294
>Did the studios fuck this up or the writers?

Both

Why did they cast an aging ukranian woman as the major?

>>82443294
From what I read, the story was originally going to have themes much closer to the original, but they studio thought it would bore braindead audiences, so they had them change it.

>>82445038
in english, doc!

>>82443294
They cut some of the more higher brow scenes from the movie.

So if they'd already shot some more intellectually involved stuff it's safe to assume studio execs had already put their grubby shit-stained fingers into the mix and dumbed it down. Further evidence is that there was supposedly six or seven writers, in a row not at once.

>>82446060
>From what I read, the story was originally going to have themes much closer to the original, but they studio thought they would be sued for plagiarism by the makers of Blade Runner, so they had them change it.

ftfy

>>82443294
I think the movie is fine, but they succeeded in making it un-marketable to ANYONE.

The internet will get butt-hurt in a hurry, which totally nixed out the geekier crowd that could've rolled out for this. All it left was people who had name recognition with Scarlett. This could have dominated April with no similar block-bustery stuff to compete with. Remember Deadpool last year?

>>82446359
Not really, there's been "director's cut" rumors floating around, but I saw a test screening back in January, it was basically the same.

>>82446359
> more higher brow

This is how genre media nerds who think they're clever talk. jej

>>82446475
> All it left was people who had name recognition with Scarlett.

So you're saying that it lost the basement-dwelling orange-dicked permavirgins, and had only normal people watch movies to fall back on? I don't think that was the main issue.

>>82443698
>>82443294
I remember reading somewhere that test audiences didn't like an older version so it was touched up to please their type. Dunno how true that it

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>we will never get to see the brain network

>>82446535
With the box-office? Yes. Regular people who didn't know the property passed it hard as well, it had almost nothing but poor reviews that had to dance around white-washing issues, and displeased fans.

It was the weekend Boss Baby came out, if you can't lock in your audience, a family pleasing movie will absolutely bury you.

I guess it was writers overall and the fact that the test audience was too stupid so they decided to change / remove a lot of things
like >>82446662

Both. From what I see the story is bad in its origin. It's a deadly mistake to make identity of Major a priority. Another is Kuse relation to Major. The dialogs also sound bad.

The studio is also responsible for the quality of the writing. Then it is responsible for everything else

>>82443294
They've underestimated how much of former weeaboos, modern internet media "journalists" are. Those wannabe purists will trash any unfaithful american adaptations that doesn't compensate by being kino.

>>82446094
>what i get from Scarlett try keep many of themes.
what i mean is that from her interviews on the press tour she try keep many theme in the movie

>>82443294
>the writers?
The writers write what they're told. Then the producers butcher it some, then the director butchers it some more and then the studio butchers it again.

Yeah turning the Major into fucking Robocop is retarded but if you're told to write an android instead of a robot, you write a fucking android.

The people who fucked up were the ones who thought this needed to happen and the ones that bankrolled it and created one of the most unoriginal and derivative pieces of sci-fi in a genre itself that hasn't innovated in years. And that is no small feat.

>>82443294
jew writers cant into anime.

test audience

>>82443698
>the god-awful wig on Johansen

That is actually her real hair. That one of the reason it looks as awful as it does.

https://youtu.be/vs5_JQeJPbU?t=1m

>>82443294
the writers had no clue. the director also had no clue on what made gits good
at the end, test audiences killed it

>>82443294
Majority of people think anime is fucking stupid.

>>82449602
>>>82443698
>>the god-awful wig on Johansen
>That is actually her real hair. That one of the reason it looks as awful as it does.
>https://youtu.be/vs5_JQeJPbU?t=1m [Embed]

Johansen don't understand the Motoko hair cut
Punk hair cut, not a Emo hair cut

>>82443698
In a movie like this the writers have almost no power. They have to write what the studio and director want or get replaced.

>>82446473
What does Blade Runner have to do with anything?

>>82449770
And why would that majority be aware of Ghost in the Shell?

I thought it was was actually pretty decent, better than I expected.

>>82449540
japs can't into anime either because japanese cartoons are dogshit.

>>82443294
Studios. It's literally impossible to make a massive big budget movie and have the studio not fuck with it, because you're playing with their money and they're in it to turn a profit. By that same token, if a movie ends up being shit a studio will usually finish it and release it just to try and get some of the money back.

You can tell the studio was responsible just fron the casting. Big name stars get attached to big budget projects in the hopes it will bring in box office simply because an audience may want to see that celebrity and therefore trick people into seeing a movie. The actors also sometimes make demands along with the studio and the producers and the project may look nothing like the original idea.

There's a great documentary out there on the making of the 90's version of The Island of Dr Moreau. The studio ruined the film chasing big name stars. Val Kilmer even personally ruined the career of the original writer/director having him fired from his own film project and forced James Woods out. Marlon Brando hated Kilmer and thought he was a cunt and was also purposely trying to screw with the studio because he hated film studios. The studio though wss just trying to make their money back on what was becoming a bigger and bigger budget movie after someone stupidly decided they could get Marlon Brando to do the movie, and if they had him they needed more stars.

>>82451238
It's the best animation in the world.

>>82451316

The doc on the making of Island of Dr. Moreau. The Brando stories make it at least worthwhile. You also see how Hollywood really works.

https://youtu.be/x4xun1vi4C0

>>82450982
me too

>>82451238
triggered shlomi

>>82443294
everything was fucked up besides the visuals and batou surprisingly enough

>>82451328
Best animated on an average basis? sure. Everything else about it is dogshit, though.

Also you can thank the Koreans for the shows being well animated :^).

>>82451540
By animation I meant the medium, not just the animation itself. And it isn't shit even when compared to live action.

Only a little of the animation is outsourced to Korea, usually in-betweening. The vast majority of all production work occurs in Japan.

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>>82443698
>weebs unironically think trash cartoons like this are not only good, but the best medium out there

>>82451644
They aren't trash or cartoons, and in the realm of animation anime is the best. It also matches or exceeds live action in many respects.

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>>82451714

>>82451803
There was nothing "fedora" about what I said. Try again.

>>82451592
Lol, most anime has shittier writing, plot progression, story, and characters than the average western cartoon.

Keep deluding yourself. weeb. Just because it has better average animation doesn't mean it's better than everything else, let alone good.

>>82451714
Keep telling yourself that, weeaboo.

>>82451857
Your post embodied fedora m8

go wash your neckbeard

>>82451864
Very few American shows even have stories, almost all of them are episodic. Not only that, but they are almost entirely limited to comedies and almost entirely aimed at children.

>weeb
I'm not a weeb.

>Just because it has better average animation doesn't mean it's better than everything else, let alone good.
It is better than other animation in the world, and as I just said it matches or exceeds live action in many respects.

>>82451912
I'm not a weeaboo.

>>82451913
There was nothing "fedora" about what I said.

>>82443294

The studio thought Scarlet Johansson could carry an action film. They were wrong. She has no charisma and she doesn't really come across as a mega-babe any more either.

They abandoned too much of the philosophy from the original in favour of making it more focused on the Major with a new cliched boring backstory.

Lastly you can't really promote a scifi film on special effects any more. The trailers told you a lot about the settings, not a great deal about what the film was actually about. It needed to show off some neat creative action scenes to be a draw.

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>>82451976
>it matches or exceeds live action in many respects.

wew

>>82452024
It does. That's why I said it does. Live action television for example doesn't have the same level of visual quality and creativity, or the same quality of music, or the same amount of variety.

>>82452082
I could take a shit and film it and it would be more interesting than your standard chinese cartoon

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>>82451976

>>82452130
No.

>>82452133
Yes?

>>82452142
Explain what makes anime superior.

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>>82451976
Your right, but sadly the Japanese, Chinese and koreans have need to take a master class and look at the true kino of not just anime, but entertainment arts in general....

The masterpiece known as Rick and Morty.

From the beautifully simplicity of the artstyle (something eastern anime has yet to achieve), to the groundbreaking and truly thought provoking themes, to the multidimensional (quite literally) story arcs, it achieves what eastern anime....neigh.....the entertainment world has yet to; perfection.

>>82452209
Superior to what?

>>82452211
Yes? Is there something you want to say?

>>82451976
Anime is still shit, kid. sorry to tell you that.

>not a weeb
Yes you are.

>>82452282
That logically means everything is shit.

>Yes you are.
Prove it.

>>82452217
>Your right, but sadly the Japanese, Chinese and koreans have need to take a master class and look at the true kino of not just anime, but entertainment arts in general....

I don't know why you're acting like anyone but Japan makes anime when anime means Japanese cartoons.

>inb4 le koreans animate all anime

Fuck off.

>>82452241
Animu cartoons are garbage my man. Time to grow up.

>>82452282
And also, I'm older than you.

Should have got Guillermo Del Toro. That fat white mexican understands things like GitS. His direction, writing, and producing could have made it a decent movie.

I also would have used one of the side stories from the first manga, like Dumb Barter. Just don't bother the Major's origin or touch on the freshmen philosophy class story elements. Just show cyborg cops operating operationally against narcos. Make it goofy, violent, and lewd like Shirow. Leaving some Easter eggs of the Puppeteer scattered through the movie. So we can set up a plot for a sequel or two.

Find someone better than ScarJo. How the fuck does she keep getting these roles? All she ever does is be stoic and monotone. When the Major isn't like that at all until near the end of the Puppeteer story. Then she eventually lightens up again in later stories.

Less fighting action form the Major, and more hacking and cyber space diving. Her body is state of the art and super human, but in a world full of cyborgs, she isn't the fastest or strongest out there. She wins by being the smartest thing out there.

it was weeb animeshit. doomed from the start.

>>82452340
They aren't cartoons, and if they are garbage then it means everything is.

>>82452303
>That logically means everything is shit.
Maybe, but the best western cartoons are still miles and miles better than the best anime. Most tv shows being garbage isn't news, but anime takes the cake in that regard.

>>82452333
Wrong.

I'm sorry the vast superiority of western anime like Rick and Morty triggers you.

>>82452412
Anime 10% means japanese cartoons. time to stop being delusional, caleb.

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>>82452412
>cartoons aren't cartoons

Both but it also could have been a lot worse than it was.

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>>82452367
>fat white mexican

Del Toro hates white people though, men in particular

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>>82452435
>wrong

Also western anime doesn't exist.

>>82452465
100%*

>>82452419
No, anime is overwhelmingly and objectively better than American animation.

>Most tv shows being garbage isn't news, but anime takes the cake in that regard.
Anime has better visuals, better music, more variety, shorter lengths, more story-driven shows, and more artistic freedom, and lacks the limitations of live action television.

>>82452465
>>82452465
Anime and cartoons are different forms of animation.

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>>82452526

>>82452526
>western anime does not exist

Wrong. I'm sorry, again, that superior western anime has surpassed, by many times over, Japanese anime.

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>>82452412
>they aren't cartoons
whatever you say retard.

>>82452612
Anime belongs in the trash senpai.

You're getting BTFO and frankly it's getting a little embarrassing.

>>82452618
>>82452615
>Western Japanese Cartoons
No.

>>82452618
Anime is the best animation in the world.

>>82452636
Stating a fact does not make someone a retard.

>>82452675
Then logically everything belongs in the trash.

>You're getting BTFO
No, I'm winning. Why are you lying?

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>>82452419
>but the best western cartoons are still miles and miles better than the best anime

Just SHUT UP

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sF0QLtk3YH0

>>82452612
>Anime and cartoons are different forms of animation.
Anime is literally just Japanese Cartoons. Time to grow up son.

>>82452524
latin americans are trying to pull the same shit the jews do. where they are and aren't white when it suits them.

though not all latin americans are white.

>>82452754
Anime literally means animation, not cartoon.

I'm older than you.

>>82452728
>Anime is the best animation in the world.
Lol, Japs aren't even the best animators in asia. KYS weeb.

>>82452728
>Anime is the best animation in the world.

Wrong, that would be Rick and Morty, an anime that pushes beyond the current norm.

>>82452807
They are, and I'm not a weeb.

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>>82452728
>>82452807
it's true but not all of it obviously

>>82452798
>>82452798
>Anime literally means animation
Wrong. Anime means Japanese Cartoons. Every dictionary will support this and every single country on the globe has a different word for what they would call a "Cartoon".

>>82452904
Anime is short for animeeshon, which is the Japanese pronunciation/spelling of animation. Anime literally means animation. It has no relation to the word cartoon.

>>82452876
Out of date, does not account for the earth shattering masterpiece that is Rick and Morty.

Japs can't compete.

>>82452845
>They are, and I'm not a weeb.
I want you to prove both of those statements.

>>82452934
You need to prove that they aren't the best animators in Asia, and you need to prove that I am a weeb.

>>82443294
every one fucked this up, this movie was so fucking basic, like assassin's creed

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>>82452921
>It has no relation to the word cartoon.
That image you posted earlier in attempting to BTFO me proves otherwise.

Sorry faggot, anime = japanese cartoons.

>>82443294
It wasn't that good in the first place. They somehow made it worse.
Hollywood can't even make a good adaptation of chink children's cartoon, really makes you think.

>>82453107
That definition is incorrect. Cartoons and anime are separate forms of animation.

>>82452963
Chinks and Gooks are better than them.

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>>82453162
>That definition is incorrect.
So now it's incorrect when it no longer works in your favor? Okay buddy.

>>82453177
Why would they be?

>>82453215
It's incorrect because it's incorrect.

>>82453257
You're incorrect because you're incorrect. Anime is the worst media form and certainly the worst cartoon form.

>>82453392
It isn't the worst media form, and it can't be the worst cartoon form since it isn't even cartoons.

>>82453420
Animation is cartoons

Calm down.

>>82453257
All dictionaries support the claim that anime = japanese cartoon.

>>82453443
Cartoons are a subset of animation.

>>82453465
And all of those dictionaries are wrong.

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Since we have already seen how Scarlet bombed.

Rinko couldn't have been anyworse as the Major.

>>82453392
>and certainly the worst cartoon form.
Name a cartoon at the level of Tatami galaxy,Mushishi,Kino,Logh,Evangelion

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>>82453483
>dictionaries are wrong.

>>82453619
Yes, they are. Dictionaries are written by people and people have the capacity to be wrong. This is normally accepted as common sense, but when it comes to dictionaries everyone thinks there's no possible way they could ever have any errors in them. It's magical thinking.

>>82453657
>it's a weeaboo on 4chan claims all dictionaries are wrong because they insulted his cartoons episode

>>82453619
In this case is true. Like someone said before anime is a short for Animation, not cartoon. Idk why people are so triggered with it being called a cartoon tho. Both are animation.

>>82453730
I'm not a weeaboo and I'm not defending cartoons.

>>82453748
They are both animation but they are very different kinds of animation, and the reason why people are so insistent on calling anime cartoons is because they know it's insulting.

>>82446475
I actually really wanted to go see it but it was in and out of theaters so quickly in my area that I totally missed it.

>>82453523
Avatar the Last Airbender is better than all of those.

>>82453791
How is anime not a cartoon?

Why are you so triggered by a word not directed at you?

>>82452743
>literal ripoff of minority report

>>82453748
>In this case is true.
It's not. Anime is just the term japs use when they describe their moving picture cartoons.

Westerners don't make anime. sorry retard.

>>82453927
Kek, Avatar is basically Shonen shit. It's better that 90% of it but HxH and FMA are better.

>>82454059
Maybe if you're a retarded weeb plebaboo.

>>82453927
It isn't. You would know it if you actually watch one of those chinese cartoons mentioned before . ATLA is better than most of anime tho.

>>82453951
Cartoon:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnKfVLwAIvA

Anime:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CID-sYQNCew

I really cannot understand why so few people are capable of perceiving the difference.

>Why are you so triggered by a word not directed at you?
Why are you so triggered by anime?

>>82453986
Anime literally means animation and is commonly, but not always, used as such in Japan.

>>82454073
Make an argument of how Avatar is better.

>>82454133
That doesn't prove shit, fuck for brains.

Every single definition says that you're wrong. Posting two youtube videos of cartoons isn't going to change that.

>>82454133
>two cartoons
Is this supposed to change his point?

>>82453982
How? I remember them being very different.

>>82454192
>That doesn't prove shit, fuck for brains.
You are the fuck for brains if you can't immediately grasp that those two represent completely different kinds of animation.

>Every single definition says that you're wrong.
Those definitions are all wrong.

>Posting two youtube videos of cartoons
Except I didn't. I posted one cartoon and one anime. Did you even look at them?

>>82454214
See above.

>>82443294
The audience fucked up by having shit taste

>>82453982
It isn't, and by now it's completely meaningless to call things rip-offs.

Animation/cartoons from everywhere in the world are animation/cartoons. Except when they are from this one specific country, then its a different name because reasons. The idea that its a different genre because of the country of origin is fucking retarded (same with jrpgs). Is the Last Unicorn, Transformers The Movie or Animaniacs anime? They ware animated in Japan.

>>82454133
>Anime literally means animation and is commonly, but not always, used as such in Japan.
Animation and Cartoons are directly linked. Japan makes Anime and japs constantly call their moving picture cartoons anime.

America doesn't make Karikatur, rysunek, мyльтфильм, Dònghuà, or anime, they make Western Cartoons.

Keep trying, retard.

>>82451976
>it matches or exceeds live action in many respects.

Sure it does. Name a few animes currently airing that are as good as Billions, Fargo, Quarry, House of Cards, Orange is the New Black just to name a few half decent shows currently airing.

>>82454353
>JRPG
>Literal definition is a Japanese Role Playing Game
>Somehow someone from Germany can make a JRPG because your retard feelings say so

>>82454353
Cartoons are a subset of animation, and I never said cartoons cannot be made in Japan. They were made before the war. I also didn't say that anime is different just because it's made in Japan.

>Is the Last Unicorn, Transformers The Movie or Animaniacs anime? They ware animated in Japan.
Something American isn't anime because the animation production was contracted to a Japanese studio.

>>82454398
Anime, again, literally means animation. Many people use it that way in Japan.

>>82454411
I was talking about specific elements which I already gave examples of.

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>>82454398
>America doesn't make Karikatur, rysunek, мyльтфильм, Dònghuà, or anime, they make Western Cartoons.

The autism is getting out of hand

>>82454473
Don't you mean than animation is a subset of cartoons? you can make those japanese cartoons without animating them first.

>>82454411
impossible. this season is dog shit
The titans one has good direction and a great OST but the plot is shit.

>>82454435

The idea that the sole reason for something belonging to a specific genre is based on the country of origin is retarded. Dark Souls, Final Fantasy and Valkyria Chronicles have nothing in common gamepley wise but they are supposed to be the same genre because reasons? So are The Witcher games PRPGs now? Fuck off.

>>82454533
No, cartoons are a subset of animation.

>>82454542
>this season is dog shit
You people say this every season.

>>82454473
They constantly use that word to describe their Cartoons, unless you can actually prove otherwise because that it the same shit you've been saying non stop.

>>82454554
JRPG is a genre, it doesn't mean any RPG made in Japan.

>>82454569
They also use it to describe foreign animation.

>>82454554
>So are The Witcher games PRPGs now
Role Playing Game made by Slavs (Poles)? yes. Or are you going to start calling it an American RPG for reasons?

>>82454593
>JRPG is a genre, it doesn't mean any RPG made in Japan.

I agree thats what the definition should be, its often used as referring to the country of origin.

>>82454600

Im not going to start making up genres based only on the country a given piece of media originated from because its idiotic.

>>82454684
It's not a brand new Genre, it's just the country of origin. I don't know why you're getting so butthurt over this.

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>>82454565
>You people say this every season.
Well, Most of the time is true. Just like how there are a lot of comedy flicks,capeshit and horror flicks and a few decent movies in anime most is Moe shit with a few good things every season. This season only has Uchouten Kazoku and Shb
The last really good anime relased was Rakugo.

>>82454721

I just think its dumb.

>>82454411
The Tatami galaxy prequel/Au thing released last month. BD not out yet.

>>82454759
It has probably never been true.

>moeshit
There is no such thing.

>The last really good anime relased was Rakugo.
It's not good because it's good, it's good because it fits your pretentious, image-conscious Western normalfag template that you expect all anime to conform to.

>>82443294
Probably both. Writers wanting to inject their own take and Studio wanting to sanitize it to appeal to Mass audience.

Personally, it was enjoyable if you take it as it is. I had issues with the characters when comparing them to the anime, but if I reminded myself to just fuck off with the source material, then it was ok on its own.

Biggest gripe was how fucking stiff Scarlett looked in most scenes. Shes USED to action movies with all the avengers shit, how did she get away with standing there so weirdly stiff in so many scenes? Did nobody on set notice this?

>>82454853
>There is no such thing.
What?

>>82454853
Are you actually trying to tell him that moeshit doesn't exist?

>>82443294
Both. The writers decimated anything unique, or vaguely interesting from the real Ghost in the Shell setting. The directors should have just done a fucking 1:1 adaptation of the original movie lmao, but murricans are apparently too stupid.

>>82454853
>Moeshit doesn't exists
>Rakugo is pretentious
What?

>>82454902
>>82454908
>>82454945
Yes, there is no such thing as moeshit.

I never said Rakugo is pretentious.

>>82454554

Calling a group of games japanese RPGs is not to say that these things are like each other but rather that that they are different from western RPGs.

WRPG focus much more of letting you play a character. Even the really watered down examples like Mass Effect tend to have things like dialog trees that let you define who you are a character actually is. There is usually a non-linear structure, an open world and so on. basically, the idea is that you're a person in a world and you then interact with that world how you see fit. Historically they've tried to emulate pen and paper role playing games more than anything.

JRPGs on the other hand is largely only RPGs in the sense that your characters level up and you can choose which gear to use. Remove the level system from Final Fantasy and I doubt that anyone would consider any of those games RPGs.

>>82454974
>Yes, there is no such thing as moeshit.
Then, What are all those Anime of cute girls doing cute faces and cute sounds and nothing else?

>>82455068
Those don't exist either.

>>82455098
K-on? Most of Kyoani shit?

>>82454881
>Did nobody on set notice this?

Most likely nobody fucking cared enough to say anything about it. They just wanted the thing to be done so they could get paid.

Both
They would have been better off casting a Japanese or not using the Ghost in the Shell name.
The amount of negative pr before the movie was huge

>>82455156
K-On is a slice of life show about the members of a high school light music club and their daily lives, and covers the three years they spend in high school. It is not "cute girls doing cute faces and cute sounds and nothing else." Kyoani's other shows are also not like that, and they have not even so far made anything substantially similar to K-On.

>>82454411
Good anime doesn't continue incessently like murrican TV does. Asking for "currently" airing stuff, while mentioning long running shows yourself doesn't correlate.

Wonderful anime that started at the same time as the shows you mentioned ended conclusively, unlike Western shows that continue ad nauseum until they become bad.

Anime has works like "Now and Then, Here and There", Escaflowne, Legend of the Galactic Heroes, Evangelion, Ghost In the Shell, etc. None of these are perfect, but they excell in their respective genres better than any live action TV equivalent. Of course, this comes with pros and cons - LOTGH for example is written well, has greater scope than any western television show, and a cast of neigh a hundred of voiced characters. Yet it has the issues of anime regarding talking 2 frame heads, bad drawings, etc. The strength available to LOTGH came from the medium, alongside the downsides.

Anime is superior for genres that cannot be faithfully created in live action, consistently without an overwhelming budget. At the same time, because anime are smaller investments you do not have to homogenize the way Western Television is. There is more room for experimentation, shots that cannot work in live action, etc.

Arguments about superiority are fucking stupid because they ignore the strength of each medium, while simultaneously it relies on cherry picking.

>>82455344
Idk how that's supposed to prove that i'm wrong, Have you actually wasted time of your live with K-on?

Anime is a trash medium. Nothing is better than real humans acting. It's just that a bunch of millennials unfortunately grew up with this shit and they can't let go.

>>82455449
So you haven't even seen K-On? Figures. Very few people nowadays have seen it, and have no idea what it's even about.

Things happens in K-On. The main character joins the light music club, they raise money so she can buy a guitar, they practise, they study for tests, they play concerts, they go on trips, whatever. It isn't just the characters standing around making faces and noises.

The hysteria and myths surrounding K-On is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever seen.

>>82443294
Its a fucking anime. No one gives a shit about jap cartoons.

>>82455593
Then everything is a trash medium.

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>ignorant people talking about a medium too intelligent for them.

LOL at westerners.

>>82455714
>cartoons
>intelligent medium

you tried

>>82455755
Anime and cartoons are two separate things.

>>82455755
>*Japanese cartoons
Fixed that for you. Your medium of SpongeBob and Simpsons are not representative of really thing other than Western degeneracy.

>>82443294
They changed the entire premise and tone of the movie with that feel-good ending. It wasn't "Ghost in the Shell", it was another movie with similar characters.

I don't even care about the whitewashing. Fuck anyone that cares about that in anime, the characters look ambiguous as fuck anyway.

Turning the transhumanist story into a secret lab turning kids into robots completely changes everything it was about.

>>82455801
>>82455811
>jap cartoons

LEL

well, it was the studio that changed this scene to make the music extremely bland and shit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5amv-vqUFo

>>82455968
Anime and cartoons are two separate things.

>>82456059
>this is what weebs actually believe

>>82456091
It's a matter of fact, not a matter of belief, and I'm not a weeb. This is yet another thread where everyone claims I'm a weeb but nobody can prove it.

>>82453504
>not based traue

>>82443698
I agree with every point of this post.

>>82456157
you are a weeb with those terrible opinions. Anime is jap cartoons. They are not some different medium. Literally cartoons. Nothing more. Only a weeb would claim otherwise.

>>82456222
I'm not a weeb and you have no means of proving otherwise.

Anime and cartoons are two different and distinct forms of animation.

>>82449602
That haircut makes her look so fucking hot.

>>82456253
>Anime and cartoons are two different and distinct forms of animation.

still animation. Still a cartoon. Try again weeb. Anime are cartoons. Jap cartoons.

>>82443698
this.
Visually movie was great save for scarlett johanson not fitting the role at all.

What ruined it was characters not acting like believable humans instead like robots who were programmed to advance the plot and explain characters

>>82456349
Cartoons and anime are different subsets of animation, and I'm not a weeb and you have no means of proving otherwise.

>>82456372
>Cartoons and anime are different subsets of animation

LOL. Its all animation. Stop pretending jap cartoons are something deeper Weeb.

>>82456418
The fact that they're both animation does not mean they are the same kind of animation. You are even admitting they aren't the same thing by saying "stop pretending anime is something deeper." You know they aren't the same, you're just claiming they are because it's an easy, lazy attack to make against anime.

I'm not a weeb and you have no means of proving otherwise.

>>82456505
anime is just jap cartoons. They aren't any deeper than any other cartoons. One just happens to come from a different country. You are a weeb because you think anime is different. Its all animation. A poor medium to tell a story. Grow up.

>>82456581
>anime is just jap cartoons.
Anime and cartoons are different, separate things with practically nothing in common between them.

>They aren't any deeper than any other cartoons.
In other words you are claiming that Legend of Galactic Heroes for example has the same level of depth, as, say, Steamboat Willie?

>You are a weeb because you think anime is different.
It factually is different. Recognizing facts does not make anyone a weeb. You have no clue what weeb means.

>Its all animation.
Nobody claimed it isn't.

>A poor medium to tell a story.
It's perfectly fine for telling a story.

>Grow up.
I'm older than you.

>>82456729
>I'm older than you.
doubt it honey. you aren't just a weeb. You are also autistic. Anime = jap cartoons. Deal with it.

>>82456729
>Legend of Galactic Heroes

literally what weeb? its all cartoons.

>>82456815
>doubt it honey.
I am, you dumb slut.

>you aren't just a weeb. You are also autistic.
I'm neither and you have no evidence to the contrary.

>Anime = jap cartoons.
Anime and cartoons are different, separate things with practically nothing in common between them.

>>82456886
LoGH is adapted from a series of science fiction novels and depicts an interstellar war between two factions over the course of over a hundred episodes and several movies.

This is Steamboat Willie, in its entirety:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBgghnQF6E4

Anime and cartoons are different, separate things with practically nothing in common between them, and I'm not a weeb.

>>82456888
Im older.

I have your posts. Evidence enough.

Jap cartoons = anime. Both animated. Both low quality.

>>82456961
Not this guy, but LOTGH is an example of a work that would be impossible to adapt live action. You would require hundreds of actors with speaking roles, tons of sets, tons of CG, etc. The breadth of topics addressed in LOTGH wouldn't be allowed by a TV studio either.

>>82456961
sound like a weeb

>>82457024
I'm older than you.

"I have your posts" is not evidence.

Anime and cartoons are different, separate things with practically nothing in common between them, and anime is not low quality. Saying they are both animated is completely pointless since they are obviously both animated and nobody ever said they aren't.

>>82457052
I'm not a weeb and you can't prove otherwise.

Anti-weebs make SJWs seem sane by comparison.

>>82457024
And them jap cartoons are often superior mediums than live action :')

>>82455444
>Good anime doesn't continue incessently like murrican TV does

That's a really clever way of saying "this season is dogshit".

Also, you do realize that most of the time these shows only get a single season because they are short term financial failures for the studio making them, right? They aren't ending these shows because they are doing great and the artists have too much integrity.

>>82457056
no you aren't.

Your posts are great evidence. You think jap cartoons aren't cartoons. Pretty open and shut.

anime = jap cartoons

>>82457127
if you are a weeb. Shitty live action will always be better than the "best" cartoon trash.
>>82457127
jap cartoons are trash.

>>82457143
What he said has nothing to do with the current season.

>Also, you do realize that most of the time these shows only get a single season because they are short term financial failures for the studio making them, right?
There have been many, many anime that have been entirely intended from the start to only have a certain amount of episodes and nothing more. Production can also stop for reasons that have nothing to do with commercial failure.

>>82457147
Prove I'm not older than you.

>You think jap cartoons aren't cartoons.
I never said Japanese cartoons aren't cartoons, I said anime and cartoons are different things, which they are. This does not in any way prove I'm a weeb. You have no idea what a weeb is.

>anime = jap cartoons
Anime and cartoons are different, separate things with practically nothing in common between them.

>>82457201
Anime and cartoons are different, separate things with practically nothing in common between them. Anime is not trash and in many respects matches or exceeds live action.

>>82457334
Prove your opinions aren't shit. Oh wait, you think anime isn't cartoons. I win.

>>82457334
>What he said has nothing to do with the current season.

I asked him to name a good anime that is currently airing. He responded by stating good anime doesn't run forever. If that's not a statement on the current season of anime I don't know what is.

anime is influential tho and had lots of impact on Japanese cinema, especially sexuality oriented

>>82457334
>Anime is not trash and in many respects matches or exceeds live action.

BAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>82457408
It isn't cartoons. You lose.

>>82457410
There are good anime airing right now.

>>82457447
I already gave examples.

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>"the cartoon is good"

>>82457334
>Anime is not trash and in many respects matches or exceeds live action

my fucking sides

>>82457564
You are mentally ill.

>>82457565
Again, I already gave examples. If you don't like it then post counter-arguments.

>>82457334
>Anime is not trash and in many respects matches or exceeds live action

oh boy

>>82457582
>counter-arguments for a weeb that thinks anime isn't cartoons

>>82457595
Again, I already gave examples. If you don't like it then post counter-arguments.

>>82457632
I'm not a weeb and it is a fact that anime is not cartoons.

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>>82457564
>-b-but it influenced the matrix! it totally didn't steal from its own country!
Why are the children of anime from the west such children?

i've been rewatching naruto and I'm being 200% honest when I say that the story of the first part is genuinely well written, with subtle complexities that don't seem to be there at first glance.

>>82457478

>There are good anime airing right now.

Then why don't you name a few? Are you worried that someone might tell you that you have shit taste or something?

>>82457668
Why are you so mentally ill?

>>82457664
>im not a weeb

>anime is not cartoons

>>82457687
Kado, Attack on Titan, Re:Creators, Granblue Fantasy, Tsugumomo, Sakura Quest. At least those. I haven't gotten started with everything I plan to watch yet.

>>82457720
I'm not a weeb. Anime and cartoons are different, separate things with practically nothing in common between them.

>>82452367

God, finally someone talking sense.

>>82457418
Animation is the art of bringing life to inanimate shapes and figures on a page. Taken as the sum of their parts, none of the shapes that make up characters by Chuck Jones, or Osamu Tezuka, or John Kricfalusi seem like much, but put them through a few basic principles of animation and they seem more lively and empathetic than you or me.

The approach taken by the Ghost in the Shell movie kind of seems like the opposite. Realistic figures that could be called a human, are made to move and act flatly, awkwardly, in all the wrong places. A large chunk of the time they are rotoscoped, poorly. A direction which makes no sense in anime, a medium that can be exaggerated and stretched and symbolic and meaningless. Ghost in the Shell takes these figures and removes any character they might have, makes them less than human. Ghost in the Shell calls this realism.

Paired with this desire to be realistic is a desire to be "mature". The film's idea of maturity being tits, guns, and grimaces. The full extent of the protagonist's character, is that she is a grimacing girl with a gun, her tits out, and robotic powers, all of these are fully apparent on the cover box art. The city this takes place in, which could have been an imaginative, sprawling Cyperpunk dystopia, seems more like Cleveland, Ohio at it's most dreary and dilapidated.

The premise behind this story feels more like the opening text crawl to the Phantom Menace than anything else. We're given little reason to care why these characters are shooting at each other beyond some in universe jargon and tired, "intelligent" tropes of transhumanism and hollywood hacking we're just expected to go with. I don't mind a world full of terminology and vague plotlines, but here we just have what could be a fanfiction of a fanfiction of a reboot of a rip-off.

>>82457783
>I'm not a weeb. Anime and cartoons are different, separate things with practically nothing in common between them.

hi weeb

>>82452367
Pacific rim was shit though

>>82457829
I'm not a weeb. You have no means of proving otherwise.

>>82457831
shut your whore mouth.

>>82457858
your posts prove otherwise

>>82457875
Pacific rim was complete shit. Its when I realized only teenage weebs come to this board. Holy shit that movie that fucking terrible.

>>82457901
Quote those posts and explain how they prove I'm a weeb.

>>82457936
you think anime isn't a cartoon. Only a weeb would be on 4chan saying otherwise.

>>82457977
Anime and cartoons are different, separate things with practically nothing in common between them. Recognizing facts does not make someone a weeb. You have no idea what a weeb is.

>>82458023
And you are wrong

>>82443294
They tried to make a movie for normies, but they should have focused on reddit.

>>82450742
Well, that strategy obviously didn't work this time, unless the goal was too lose money, in which they did that very well.

>>82458023
>Anime and cartoons are different, separate things with practically nothing in common between them.

>>82458040
No, I am right and you are wrong.

Can we all agree that Darmody Kuze was the best part of the movie?

>>82458076
Sorry weeb.

>>82458075
Yes, that's what I said. What about it?

>>82452791
>though not all latin americans are white.
Fucking understatement of the year.

>>82458081
I would agree that Scarletts booty was the best part senpai

>>82458110
I'm not a weeb and you cannot prove otherwise.

>>82458112
>Anime and cartoons are different, separate things with practically nothing in common between them

>>82452876
lol, who is this weeb grandpa?

>>82458168
Again, yes. I said that. What about it? What is your point?

>>82458161
your posts prove otherwise

>>82458199
Quote those posts and explain how they prove I'm a weeb.

>>82458194
that your opinion is laughable

>>82458230
It isn't my opinion, it's fact.

>>82458223
>Anime and cartoons are different, separate things with practically nothing in common between them

Weeb.

Anything else?

>>82458260
>Anime and cartoons are different, separate things with practically nothing in common between them

>>82458267
I'm not a weeb and you can't prove otherwise.

>>82458296
Again, I said that. Again, what about it?

>>82458340
>Anime and cartoons are different, separate things with practically nothing in common between them

>>82458490
So you agree with me. Great. You can stop repeating yourself now.

>>82458513
>Anime and cartoons are different, separate things with practically nothing in common between them

>>82458555
So you agree with me. Great. You can stop repeating yourself now.

Why not both gif.

Both fucked up, the writing for the movie was so bad.

>>82458023
Japan disagrees with you.

>>82455642
This.

>>82458789
No it doesn't.

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>ctrl+f 'i'm not a weeb'
>1 out of 19

>>82458864
Stop accusing me of being one and I won't have to keep saying it.

>>82458851
Yes it does weeb.

>>82458943
It doesn't, and I'm not a weeb.

Aren't cartoons and anime just animation. Also either one can be shit but some can be good. I mean any type of anything can be shit

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>4chan is now full of normalfags who have never watched an anime in their life
What the fuck happened?

>>82459109
Different kinds of animation.

>>82459150
4chan's users and staff didn't have enough conviction to stop them. They're so ironic, apologetic and self-deprecating about watching anime that they can't defend it.

>>82459205
>Different kinds of animation.
No, you delusional faggot.

>>82458267
>Anime and cartoons are different, separate things with practically nothing in common between them
That is wrong, they're both animation, Drawings that mimic motion. An Apple and Orange aren't exactly the same thing but they're still fruit

>>82459150
Thinking jap cartoons are shit doesn't mean ou haven't watched them before.

>>82459225
Yes they are.

>>82459228
The fact that they are animation doesn't mean they're the same. There are countless different ways of doing animation.

>>82459282
If they are shit then it means everything is. Also they aren't cartoons.

>>82459298
All you've done ITT is bitch and moan whenever someone says that anime are just cartoons from japan. You screech about how it's not true, and say they're different without actually saying how they're different while the people shitting on you explain how they're the same.

Stop being retarded you retarded weeb,

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>>82451387

I'm watching it now. Brando. The madman. I love him.

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>>82459343
>it's a "delusional weeaboo thinks anime is the greatest visual medium ever created" episode

>>82459378
I already showed an example of how they're different, and people have not done anything to demonstrate that they're the same. It's not even possible to demonstrate that, since it isn't true.

I'm not retarded or a weeb.

>>82459205
>Different kinds of animation.
Avatar is based on anime

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>>82459440
>I'm not retarded

>>82459415
I'm not a weeaboo or delusional and I didn't say anything about anime being the greatest visual medium ever created.

>>82459465
What about it?

>>82459467
That's what I said.

>>82459465
Not him, but no it's not. Avatar would still exist even if Japan didn't. the only reason Avatar exists as the way it currently does it because of China. Everything in Avatar is based off Chinese mythology or Chinese martial Arts. Japan has nothing to do with it.

>>82459440
You showed a cartoon from 1935 and an anime from 2012, that shows bias on your part

>>82459513
Avatar was unquestionably inspired by anime. The details of it setting are a different matter.

>>82459553
Proof?

>>82459548
Where is the bias? It was a representative example of a cartoon.

>>82459575
Go to its Wikipedia article and CTRL+F anime. It's also obvious even just by looking at it.

>>82459635
>go to its wikipedia article

That isn't proof. I want you to prove that it is undeniably inspired or based off of anime.

>>82459687
Do you not understand how Wikipedia works or are you just looking for excuses to avoid having to admit that it was inspired by anime?

>>82459724
Wikipedia is a user submitted piece of shit website where anyone can go to the website and alter the articles. Someone going there and inputting the word "anime" into every other paragraph isn't proof that Avatar only exists because of Anime.

You shouldn't use that website as any kind of argumentative strength and instead should actually find a source from the shows creators saying that it's heavily inspired by anime instead of telling someone to go to wikipedia.

>>82459820
Wikipedia has these things called citations.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2007/09/06/interview-avatars-bryan-konietzko-and-michael-dante-dimartino

>What were your influences when coming up with this series?
>Mike and I were really interested in other epic "Legends & Lore" properties, like Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings, but we knew that we wanted to take a different approach to that type of genre. Our love for Japanese Anime, Hong Kong action & Kung Fu cinema, yoga, and Eastern philosophies led us to the initial inspiration for Avatar.
The character designs also look similar to anime, and the whole structure and style of the show is something that's common to anime but incredibly rare in American animation. Avatar's production started when America was at the peak of its anime boom.

>>82459635
It like showing a 1912 plane and comparing it to a 2012 Honda. Objectively, one is better than the other

>>82459986
There's also a reason why people constantly keep bringing up anime in the context of Avatar and even try to argue that it is anime.

>>82459994
Modern Mickey Mouse cartoons are worse than the old ones, so I was actually being generous by citing an old one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7O22GuSc58

>>82459986
Yeah, and in many cases they aren't always true. In this case: Plus, in that article you posted

"Our love for Japanese Anime, Hong Kong action & Kung Fu cinema, yoga, and Eastern philosophies led us to the initial inspiration for Avatar."

So it's inspired by the east in general and not just anime, like you've been saying throughout the entire thread. Nice going retard.

There's even a youtube video of the shows creators talking about how the biggest inspiration for Avatar, at it's core, and externally, is Chinese Philosophy, Chinese Mythology, and Chinese Martial Arts.

I still don't see how you can look at all this stuff, even the article that you posted, and say that Avatar is so heavily inspired by anime that it only exists because of anime.

>>82460139
They mention anime, and Avatar is an animated series, and you can tell even by just looking at it that's inspired by anime.

You just don't want to admit that something American was inspired by something Japanese.

>There's even a youtube video of the shows creators talking about how the biggest inspiration for Avatar, at it's core, and externally, is Chinese Philosophy, Chinese Mythology, and Chinese Martial Arts.
That's the setting. I am not talking about the setting. The setting doesn't matter. Even anime has settings anywhere from 19th century Paris to the far future.

>>82460227
>They mention anime, and Avatar is an animated series,
So? By your logic every western animated production is a japanese cartoon. They also mention china and general eastern philosophies. What's your point?

>You just don't want to admit that something American was inspired by something Japanese.
Why would I do that? By your logic I would be denying that it was inspired by China as well, but that's the exact opposite of the case.

>you can tell even by just looking at it that's inspired by anime
Maybe if you're a delusional weeb. Just because it's hand drawn doesn't mean that it only exists because of Japan.

>>82453927
I tried, I really did.

>>82460440
They said they were inspired by anime. They made an animated series that very obviously looks like it was inspired by anime, and is highly atypical or even unique in American animation.

>Why would I do that?
Japanophobia and/or jealousy.

>Maybe if you're a delusional weeb.
I'm not a weeb, and everyone thinks it was inspired by anime because it very clearly was. And again, some people even try to argue that Avatar is anime.

>Just because it's hand drawn doesn't mean that it only exists because of Japan.
Nobody argued at any point that it must exist because of Japan because it's hand-drawn. Hand-drawn animation goes back to the early 20th century. It was inspired by anime because it obviously looks like it was inspired by anime and because the creators said they were inspired by anime.

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>white haolewood whitewashing asian roles despite being financially and politically a bad decision

why is hollywood so racist to asians

>>82460690
>goku
>asian

What?

>>82460690
Hollywood is run by Jews.

>>82460602
>some people even try to argue that Avatar is anime.
Because those people are retarded.

>>82459440
>I'm not retarded

Then why have you spent hours defending anime on 4chan?

>>82460807
I didn't say they are right.

>>82460824
Why have you spent hours attacking it? Why is it that every single time the guilty person is the one defending anime, never the ones attacking it?

>>82460875
This entire argument started because one person said anime was garbage and you got butthurt, it then spiraled from there into you saying stupid shit like jap cartoons are not cartoons or saying that moeshit doesn't exist.

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>>82443698
good post

>>82460926
>This entire argument started because one person said anime was garbage
Exactly. I didn't start it.

>saying stupid shit like jap cartoons are not cartoons
I never said that. I said that anime and cartoons are not the same thing. And they are not. This also started because someone claimed they are the same thing.

>moeshit doesn't exist
It doesn't.

>>82460994
>I never said that.
Yes you did. anime is just capanese cartoons.

>It doesn't.
Yes it does.

>>82461028
No, I didn't. Obviously Japanese cartoons are cartoons. What I said was that anime and cartoons are not the same thing, because they aren't.

>Yes it does.
It doesn't. There is no such thing. One guy here already tried proving it, and of course he failed.

>>82460875

Same reason the person who keeps insisting that 9/11 was an inside job is the retard while the person who explains why that isn't the case isn't.

>>82461058
you got BTFO weeb. Give it up.

>>82461090
What does that have to do with anything?

>>82461104
I never got BTFO, I have consistently been winning. I am not a weeb.

Is it always the same weeabo that keeps defend anime in these threads. It always seems to boil down to the same arguments.

>>82461191
I'm not a weeaboo, and it boils down to the same arguments because people keep constantly saying the same things.

>>82461127
>weeb is still here pretending that anime isn't jap cartoons

>>82461254
I'm not a weeb and they are not the same thing.

anime is shit. only weirdo losers actually care to watch it. Its not high art. Its not even good art. its shit tier cartoons that losers use to jack off because the thought of a real woman scares them.

>>82461268
You are weeb and they are the same thing. You also have autism.

>>82461309
>anime is shit.
Then so is everything else.

>only weirdo losers actually care to watch it.
Just about everyone in Japan watches anime. They don't all watch the same anime, but they watch it.

>Its not high art.
Then neither is anything else.

>Its not even good art.
Then neither is anything else.

>its shit tier cartoons
Cartoons and anime are two different things.

>losers use to jack off because the thought of a real woman scares them
Projection.

>>82461352
I'm not a weeb, they aren't the same thing, and I'm not autistic.

Anime is shit. look at this autistic weeb still defend it.

>>82461417
>Anime is shit.
Then so is everything else.

>look at this autistic weeb still defend it.
I'm not autistic or a weeb, and you're still here attacking it.

>>82461438
Your opinion is shit weeb.

>>82461471
It did not present opinions, and I'm not a weeb.

>>82461484
you are a weeb. anime is shit. anime is jap cartoons. everything you like is terrible and you have no taste.

>>82461572
>you are a weeb.
No I'm not.

>anime is shit.
Then so is everything else.

>anime is jap cartoons.
Anime and cartoons are different forms of animation.

>everything you like is terrible and you have no taste.
Projection.

>>82461598
jap cartoons are shit

>>82461641
Name some Japanese cartoons you've watched.

>>82461417
Indeed, mango is leagues ahead

>>82461674
A very large portion of anime is adapted from manga, and original anime usually get manga versions. People only claim manga is better because they think that somehow that makes them more elite, as if manga was underground or something.

>>82452024
With regards to Ghost in the Shell, it's what American directors said themselves. It's what inspired the Wachowskis in making the Matrix, which forever changed how action was shot in the west.

Shame we abandoned longer takes for jump cuts and still focus on action stars who can't do action so we use choppy editing to cover for their inability to do the one fucking thing they were hired for.

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>>82449540

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While they could definitely have dumbed it down a bit less, I feel it was a decent midpoint between pleasing the hardcore anime fans and the mainstream audience just going for an action movie.
It would never please both.

Also the huge hate train and the """whitewashing""" probably had something to do with the low box office

>>82452524
Is there anyone in (((Hollywood))) not a raging SJW?