Couple questions about The Thing. How exactly does the thing

>>82376173
The exact details of the process are unknown.

>>82376173
I imagined that it broke down its victims and added them to its own biomass, splitting off in order to hunt for more mass to consume

>>82376295
this warrants a 3 movie prequel

>>82376398
Splitting off as in now there are two things? So one thing looks like the person they just absorbed and the other thing looks like...?

>>82376173
>How exactly does the thing "work"?
>Does it absorb a human and take their form?
yeah
>Does it kill a human and hide the body and take their form?
no
>Does it infect a human and with or without the human knowing their cells slowly turn them into a thing and they don't know until the thing part of them decides to "activate"?
yes minus the activate part
>Who is in control once a human has been infected?
the thing? they aren't a hivemind as far as we know, although in the book theyre psychic or something

People who have been infected aren't aware of that fact. The Thing doesn't need to absorb anything, it just needs to get its cells into the organism it wants to assimilate.

>>82376173
It assimilates itself. We don't know what the original thing is, could just be a single cell or a microbe.
Assimilation could be painless or it could be the worst thing in the world as everything in your body except your consciousness is taken over by the thing.

If the thing got loose it would assimilate everything in the universe until there is only the thing.

>>82376538
>Does it infect a human and with or without the human knowing their cells slowly turn them into a thing and they don't know until the thing part of them decides to "activate"?

We never saw this. It is speculated by the characters, but waht we see contradict it. We see Things creating NEW bodies inside themselves after eating the old ones. We see the same between a cell and a Thing cell. It's unknown if that process would work on a cellular level for the purpose of turning a complete human into a Thing from the inside out. My guess is that it would, but by crating another body inside the old one that would break out of the original body when mature enough.

>>82376835
Why did Fuchs burn himself then? He knew he was infected and began to turn

Does the Thing somehow absorb a person's memories when it assimilates them? How is it able to mimic them so faithfully otherwise.

>>82376835
>My guess is that it would, but by crating another body inside the old one that would break out of the original body when mature enough.
pls leave your shitty vore fetish out of this.

>>82376983
Assimilation of brain matter keeps synapses intact I guess

>>82376906
We don't know if Fuch ever burns himself. That was just MacReady's assumption

They should make a movie where scientists try to find the Thing's homeworld and meet the species and find out why they visited us.

>>82377053
Wouldn't assimilating a brain so perfectly to mimic them also give the Thing sapience? Wouldn't become aware of the immorality of it's behaviour?

>>82377218
lol no

>>82377218
Who says it isn't already sapient? Once it has enough biomass anyway. And why would it care about morality, morality is about whats good for society.

I just watched both films for the first time, and the first one was genuinely great. Just a classic high atmosphere horror film with an intriguingly mysterious science fiction element.

The second one wasn't terrible, but it lost out on the atmosphere which was the main drawcard of the first, as well as replacing the genuinely unnerving puppets with CGI. Going on the alien ship also undid most of the mystery, though I read that it was going to be very different in the original cut.

>>82377282
Well if it gains an organism's memories, especially a human's, than it would also become sensitive to the human experience and concepts like pain and empathy.

Is every single thing cell its own thing? Because during the bloodtest scene when MacReady drops the blood we see it moving on its own on the floor, slithering around and such. So if a thing realized its being killed, could it just release a body part half the size of a pinky toe to slither around and keep infecting hosts?

>>82377323
It becomes aware of them and even uses them to its advantage such as when using distrust in the group to single out victims, but that doesn't mean that it becomes sensitive to them.

>>82377333
>could it just release a body part half the size of a pinky toe to slither around and keep infecting hosts?

Doesn't it try to do that when it detaches the head of one of the men it infects which turns into that weird spider thing.

>>82377218
The Thing is above even that. You think you know sapience? It has absorb countless brains more advance than that. He is the sapience

>>82377369
Yeah that's why I think its a huge fuckup when MacReady throws dynamite on the burning Palmer-thing. The blast just spreads hundreds if not thousands of tiny things.

>>82377376
It is our universe. Our true goal. It was wrong for MacReady to try and kill it.

Can Thing'd people recognize other Things?

For example two guys get Thing'd. Would guy A recognize guy B as a Thing, or vice versa, despite them both having been assimilated?

Let's say there's 10 people. Person 11 is a thing and joins the group. P11 infects P4. P4 infects P6. P11 infects P9.

Do all the infected know of each other? Can they stick together in order to influence group decisions or is each infected/thing just fighting for themself?

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>>82377531
Holy shit are you me? Are we things?

>>82377505
Yes, presumably. It seems like the Thing has some kind of hive mind or psychic connection which works at a cellular level.

>>82377505
In the novel they say that anything thats not a majority turns into some form of autonomous state, so thing A seeing thing B would be same as looking into a mirror

The thing's cells replicate host cells; though, in the simulation they fucked up because it showed the thing cell destroying every cell it replicates 1:1, i.e. if there are 10 cells, the thing will replicate the first cell and destroy it, then replicate another cell and destroy it, etc. etc. and it leaves just one cell left.

When a person has become infected, they'll eventually lose control of their system -- it's not clear if a person is aware of such a change.

And, either could be a thing at the end but I really dislike people "analyzing" the movie poorly to reach their "Childs is a thing" conclusion.

>>82377476
No lamb offer it's neck to lion. The Thing got cocky and went full final boss, and got rekt as a result. Then again it probably just wanted to go to sleep until the next encounter

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>>82376173
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBgXsXk1ccg

Why does the thing violently assimilate people? Why not intfect them via food or drink and slowly take over their body?
Along that some line, could a person be half-Thing ie only a portion of their cells are Thing cells while the rest are their own naturally formed cells?

>>82377531
>>82377505
>>82377553
>>82377553
They act as one, they would combine like oil in water

>>82377673
That would immediately destroy the cover of every single host.

>>82377628
I think they did both? The Doc got the stealth assimilation, didn't he?

>>82377697
did I said they'd do it inmediately?
the things is only one
doesn't matter if he's in a thousand different bodies
it's just one concious that wants to infect and merge with everything

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You hype?

>>82376835
>We never saw this.
>>82377148
>We don't know
Who's we ?

>>82377780
You said like oil in water. Oil doesn't wait.

Can the Thing assimilate plantlife? I know the Thing in the original film was some kinda plant monster, but I dunno if that is canon with Carpenter's film.

>>82377195
I get it. That's funny.

Nigger

What did The Thing mean when it said "It's clobbering time!"?

>>82377628
>Why does the thing violently assimilate people?
Because he got reduced to a brute dumb being, with countless of entire civilizations of knowledge lost, so he had to act in primal manner

>>82377809
Time, time doesn't wait

>>82376173
It's literally a sentient cell that can replicate itself at extremely fast rates under the right environment that also tries to stay alive by any means necessary. Replication occurs when it's inside an organic host, changing it in many ways it wants to at the time.

>>82377995
>Replication occurs when it's inside an organic host, changing it in many ways it wants to at the time.
so if the ship would've crashed on the amazon would we've had some kaiju movie or what?

Does any of that matter?

>>82378030
Does any movie matter?

>>82378025
It only seems to turn into a big monster when threatened. It prefers to be sneaky when assimilating organisms. Maybe under certain conditions it would turn into a huge monster.
It would be much more dangerous had it crashed landed in the ocean imo

>>82378030
does your life matter?

>>82378103
why didn't any hollywood jew made a sequel with this premise? is it because they already did Evolutrion with that giant thing at the end?

>>82378191
Plenty of reasons. The movie was a financial failure on its release, and it's not something as recognized as Alien or other similar horror/monster scifi. Because of how contained the first film was, it also doesn't really lend itself well to sequels. The remake (even if it included the practical effects) was heavily uninspired and treaded the same ground of the first film without adding anything new or interesting. The Thing was as much about the atmosphere and emotional drama of its characters as it was about the creature horror, which is something the remake completely misses.

How many people forgot this movie had a prequel released not too long ago?

>>82378401
It isn't forgotten so much as ignored

>>82377295
you watched the second and third remakes.

>>82377218
The brain is left running mostly as it was until The Thing takes max control and somehow changes into a monster form. At that point it becomes a fairly senseless monster.

>>82378703
It is you that is a senseless monster, the Thing is the true existence and we should all assimilate to things. So that it is only Thing.

>>82378844
t. Seele

>>82377811
it isnt canon

>>82376173
If I remember well the book explains how The Thing does it.

>>82379191
they also explain his tax policy, the book is so much better

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>>82376674
>People who have been infected aren't aware of that fact

Totally unaware, just like those dogs were totally unaware

>>82377415
What else was he supposed to do?

>>82379479
Keep using the flamethrower?

>>82377783
Is this some kickstarter garbage?

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>>82378900
(((Seele)))

Things don't recognize other Things, pay attention next time

>>82377218
isnt it sapient? in the book (i think it was), the thing communicates with the others telepathically and is confused by why they want to kill it

man the thing 2011 had some of the weirdest horrifying deaths.
imagine being that chick, your entire body turns into a thing and you just get slung back, experiencing everything, possibly in pain and in horror and confusion while your body acts on its own and kills others.

Same thing with the fusion thing that attaches his face to the other. jeesus

>>82376421
easy, Sony.

inb4 that edgy short story is brought up as evidence

>muh rape it into them

>>82379718
>studios will never have the balls to do a sex scene/thing assimilation

I'm torn between whether it should be the standard vagina dentata or more like a tentacle urethral insertion

>>82379805
>urethral insertion
this is the most horrifying thing in existence
can't believe some fags do it

>>82379805
The Thing would gets straight to the point if they had already gone somewhere secluded to root.
You think the alien cares about human sex? It's only goal is to reproduce its own way, and sex isn't necessary

>>82380197
Have you no imagination

>sleeping thing/woman
>guy walks in
>rape scene
>thing reacts

similar to how the thing reacted during the defibrillator scene

>>82379805
>he hasn't seen Species

>>82380360
The thing imitates, the infected person is no more once it takes over.
In this case, the thing would only imitate until it was only him/her and the girl/guy in a nice quiet place to fuck.

>scenario 1
Thing person attacks human person and puts tentacles inside them and pumps thing cells into them. Human person becomes assimilated after a while.

>scenario 2
Thing person attacks human person and completely devours/absorbs them and from then on can take the form of that person.

Which scneario describes how it works? And if it's scenario 1, how fast does it work? Does the human know it's being assimilated after the attack? Does the human not remember the attack? Is the human immediately a thing?

>>82380671
fuck that was another giger monster
fucking cgi ruined it

>>82380676
>>82380360
Shit, misunderstood what you said. Yeah that'd be a pretty cool scene actually.

Direct that shit

>>82380695
It's scenario 2

>>82380955
But then how are there more than one thing in the movie?

>>82378900
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwxCJ4kUDks

>>82381032
the thing can split apart on a cellular level, did you watch the movie?

>>82381113
If the thing absorbed A and the group kills A-thing how can there be more things?

Things in movies that should not exaclty be explained:
1) how the force works (midochlorians)
2) backgroundstory of aliens
3) how the thing works

Just don't. It will make everything worse.

The Thing is a shape shifting organism, but it must come into contact with its host in order to begin the process of analyzing and copying its cellular structure. To do this, the cells begin digesting and replicating the host, eventually taking over the entire body. The Thing will also only assimilate freshly killed or still living prey; any organism that has been dead for an extended period of time will be ignored by it. This may be due to it being largely ineffective to more intelligent prey if it mimicked a member of their society that was known to have been killed. Alternatively, it may rely on the blood stream to rapidly assimilate prey. Copper was killed by the Norris-Thing biting off both his hands, and so presumably was exposed to Thing infection yet his corpse showed no signs of "reviving" as an imitation (post-mortem blood test was negative). Presumably he bled out so quickly that the infection had no time to spread before his biomass was rendered useless by death.

After The Thing has assimilated a creature it is capable of imitating them exactly with all memories, characteristics, and habits. Even defects like Norris' weak heart are replicated. When a part of The Thing becomes cut in two, both of those pieces become their own creatures and operate separately. For example, when the Norris-Thing's head grows legs and attempts to escape. The replication varies depending on the occurrences at hand and whether or not the attacking Thing is smaller or is injured. If the assaulting Thing in question is injured in any way, much smaller than the prey or under pressure, it will usually just add the bio mass to itself and either mimic the prey or add the mass to its original frame to increase its size and strength to counteract any threats within the area. If however the Thing successfully assaults the prey in a safe location, it will just feed on the prey and make a copy of the victim then revert back to its cover before searching for another victim to assimilate.

>>82381220
m8 what are you on about?

>>82379754
>inb4 that edgy short story is brought up as evidence
Too late
>>82377885

>>82379535
No, just a new board game that was announced.

>>82381444
You said it's scenario 2 which means it's one thing that simply absorbs people into it. So if they kill that one thing how can there be more?

>>82381263
How do we stop Ridley Scott?

>>82381589
because at the start of the film there's already multiple Things

>the dog
>the two faced corpse

>>82381572
>>82377783
Is this official or just some kind of fan project?

>>82376421
I for one am glad based John Carpenter never jumped into the prequel train

>>82381738
So it completely absorbs an organism and then splits into two?

>>82381823
Official.

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>mfw whole thread is people who don't fucking get it
The point is: none of the answers to those questions matter
Knowing more about the thing makes it way less scary

>>82381596
Just ignore him
Only Alien and Aliens are real films in the series
The rest is shitty fan fiction

>>82381853
Yep, you see it attempt this with the spiderhead scene, it distracts the lads with the spectacle of the big stomach thing while the head tries to get away

>>82381953
>REEEE NO SPECULATION OR DISCUSSION ALLOWED

>>82382165
>REEE I DON'T UNDERSTAND SOMEONE EXPLAIN THE MOVIE

>>82381982
but Aliens is literally Cameron's shitty fanfiction

>>82377218
Nigga it came to earth on a fucking space ship and was about to build a new one, it was always sapient.

It just doesn't value human life, especially not over its own.

>>82381953
>>mfw whole thread is people who don't fucking get it
>The point is: none of the answers to those questions matter

*tips fedora*
*nods respectfully towards your direction*

>>82382138
But you can't deduce from that that this is its modus operandi. At this moment it was surrounded by people and shocked with the defibrilator. To me it seemed like the head thing was like an ejector seat rather than just how the thing does its stuff. I think other than that we never see it split apart like that.

While the thing was a dog it infected somebody right? Later it was locked up with the other dogs and obviously still there and still a thing but that person was also a thing. I always imagined dog-thing just licked the guys face/mouth in order to get thing cells into him.

>>82382165
No one's telling you that you can't keep arguing about the Thing's tax policy, you dumb faggot. You're just undermining the point of the film, the terrifying uncertainty, if you do.

>>82382363
>the point of the film, the terrifying uncertainty

Is that why there's a scene with a computer display giving us insight into how The Thing works and exactly how long it would take to assimilate Earth? Wow, the theme of uncertainty really runs on many levels

Why did the thing fake a heart attack?

>>82381982
Aliens is a cheap looking action flick that turns an unstoppable lone wolf predator into cannon fodder mook led by a literal big bad. Fuck off.

>>82382507
Insurance money.

Maybe The Thing is not some evil alien. But the very answer to life.

Think about it. It can duplicate living tissue.

Cum

Cum

Cum

>>82379431
There is a transition when the thing finally assimilates the host. Norris collapsed and died during the assimilation process. When the thing gained full control, it was on the table with the doctor working on it, so it went all out to defend itself.

>>82378103
If it had landed anywhere with wildlife or a large human population, it would have been impossible to stop.

>>82383439
that picture of bennings and what you see with the dogs is the assimilation. It's violent and the victim is aware of whats happening.

Are you saying that happened to Norris and then he just got up and was like "that was odd" then went off on his way until he had the heart attack at which point the "real" assimilation kicks in?

>>82383684
There are different types of assimilation. What you see in the pictures is violent assimilation by an already complete organism, where they kill and absorb the victim as quickly as possible. Norris was infected by a tiny amount, like a disease. He remained Norris until enough of his body had been assimilated to make the whole thing stop working until the rest was assimilated too.

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>>82384042
>There are different types of assimilation

Any evidence of all that?

>>82384836
The movie? It was stated explicitly that a small particle of the thing could assimilate another organism. Did you seriously interpret the Norris scene as a thing faking a heart attack?

>>82385308
It's speculated, not confirmed, and is probably wrong.
Remember that they only come up with preparing their own meals about 2/3rds of the way in; if the Thing could have infected them that way, it had absolutely no reason not to.

>>82376173
Child's is the Thing. Look at how he's changed from a blue suit to a white one at the end. He also doesn't breathe as hard as Mac ready does. There's no fog coming from his breath.

>>82376173
All of this is open to interpretation, which is what makes it so good.

>>82385710
Not if it breaks its own rules.

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>>82376173

This is a good philosophical and scientific question. This >>82376295 is also the best post. That said, I will try to explain a bit.

The fundamental unit of the Thing organism is the cell, specifically the Thing-cell. In both 1982 and 2011, it is clearly established twice over that once a single Thing cell is introduced into a non-thing biological organism, then the cell proceeds to "take-over" victim cells, and continue the process until it becomes the entire organism. In practice (as in a Thing attack) this can take place in a matter of minutes, but it only takes one single cell to start the process going, so it is reasonable to suppose that in such minute cases, the process might take far longer and would not "look" like the other violent thing-attacks seen in the films.

Roughly speaking, there is a zero-sum/conservation of biomass. If there's too much excess biomass which would arouse suspicion, then the thing is obliged to hide it somehow. This is why the huge biomass at the end of 1982 stays in the basement areas.

Complete Thing organisms MAY have telepathy, becuase the original short story. This angle isn't really explored in the films however.

The organism being imitated is itself killed outright, once the Thing's mechanism is complete in an individual case. This is not something which is categorically made perfectly clear in any of the movies, but the preponderance of plot and other evidence bears the conclusion out. Still, it is fun, for the fear-factor, to play with the idea that "you are still there, somehow, but the Thing is "driving" and you are powerless to resist", Being-John-Malkovich-style, or similar. One of the better things in the 2011 prequel is the horrified look on Juliette-Thing's face as she(it) transforms, which plays to this alternate theory. Remember that these imitations are /so perfect/ that they even cause us to doubt whether the human is still essentially "in-there" somewhere. In truth, they aren't though.

>>82385641

Yes there is so fog coming from Child's breath you absolute rancid faggot. You're just memeing a shitty meme that everyone hates that fucking meme because you haven't watched the got-damn scene you're memeing. Childs' breath is fucking visible and serious anons know this.

Besides, the point is meaningless because Bennings-Thing's breath is clearly visible during his transformation.

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Can we stop talking about fan-fictions and reddit-tier theories for once, and start talking about arguably the g.o.a.t. sound effects from this film for once?

>>82385355
It's speculation, but it fits the available evidence better than any other explanation that's been offered.

>>82386128
>Besides, the point is meaningless because Bennings-Thing's breath is clearly visible during his transformation.
This fact makes me amazed that the visible breath theory stayed around for so long.

It's one thing to not notice a fairly obscure point, but Bennings is quite blatantly breathing out, in the middle of a shot no less, to the point where you have to be actively trying in order to not notice it.
The entire point of that scene was that the Thing, upon being rumbled, wanted to scare the shit out of them to stoke paranoia.

>>82376735
>it would assimilate everything in the universe until there is only the thing.
So, Kurt Russel is in another movie now with the same premise?

>>82386806
>Dance off, thing, you and me

The thing is a formless parasitic organism.

When it replaces someone, it is essentially a form of reproduction; the new "thing" it creates is a unique being just like you and me. It is not a hivemind

For the thing to reproduce it needs an extreme surpluss of organic material; enough to support an entire second organism on top of itself. As a result when the thing is ready to reproduce it will gorge on food, storing excess material inside where it goes unseen, and when ready finds a host victim.

When the thing catches a host, it fuses with him at 1-2 points, where it will transfer organic matter to the victim during the reproductive process. As the thing needs to replace the entire hosts biomass, this process is likely to take upwards of 1-2 hours for a human victim.

The exact details of the reproductive process are unknown, but a likely theory is that the host victim is completely broken down into a flesh mass during the initial seeding, possibly due to excess biomaterial that will later be moved to the interior of the body as a form is taken.

When the seeding process is complete the parent thing detaches from the host and leaves it to incubate. DNA from the host is stored and used to replicate the host organism at time of absorption.

so the recent prequel thing assimilation is total garbage right? where it was hiding underneath the trailer and had the copy of the person inside it when they dissected it.

i still liked it though, especially for MEW

>>82386029

The thing cant consume an organism with an individual cell, because there isnt sufficient biomass to fuel the entire process. A large number of cells can do it over a long period, but not a small handful, and the fastest method is still the absorption method

>>82386946
well that is very close to what found in the dog autopsy

>>82376421
I liked the prequel just hatted the special effects they shoulda used fucking practical effects.

>>82386946

I didnt watch the prequel, but i do know that blair was infected by the dog corpse during the dissection, he had life cellular material that he looked at under the microscope. He frekaed out and broke everything when he realized he was already doomed.

>>82386128
Kek. Re-watched the scene to try and prove you wrong, but you're right. There is fog coming from his breath, just a little.

What about Childs changing cloths though?

>>82386695
this

>>82387173

You get points for actually re-watching, realizing that you're cornered, and admitting that you are wrong. Well met.

Childs' outfit change is very strong, and /real/ evidence that he's a thing, yep.

>>82387108
haven't seen carpenter one in years but i'm guessin thats why he got locked in the shed from acting out?
interesting.
guessing the thing finally assimilated when he was locked up and it was building a ship

>>82386029
>One of the better things in the 2011 prequel is the horrified look on Juliette-Thing's face as she(it) transforms, which plays to this alternate theory. Remember that these imitations are /so perfect/ that they even cause us to doubt whether the human is still essentially "in-there" somewhere. In truth, they aren't though.

Your statements are contradictory. Was she still in there or not?

>>82387317
So what was Macready supposed to do in that case? Just freeze to death and let Childs Thing hibernate? Did he have some way of stopping it from hibernating?

>>82387317
>>82387173
It could go either way, since that's not the type of mistake The Thing tended to make.
If it was getting sloppy, it may as well have just gone for Mac as soon as it could, rather than going through the formality of sharing a drink.

>>82387572
Didn't Mac, Garry, and Nauls fill a bunch of bottles with gasoline when they were blowing up the base?

I think Mac still had one at the end, and if you look closely, Childs shows up just before Mac takes a sip. Mac never drank from it, but Childs did.

>>82387108
>blair was infected by the dog corpse
blair was infected by chewing the pencil

>>82376173
How did the doctor who got his arms bitten off die? Blood loss? Shock? Did someone kill him? Couldn't the Thing spread to him like it started doing to Windows?

>>82387871
>Blood loss? Shock?
probably a combination of the two.

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>>82377626
wew.
>The Thing on the ceiling like a spider

>>82387686
That really hinges on The Thing not being able to smell it.
Personally, I think it all depends on the unanswerable question of if The Thing would get sloppy at the end.
If it would, Childs was the Thing, but if it wouldn't, the little giveaways would ironically be evidence of his humanity.

>>82377801
The audience.

The Thing > Alien

You all know it to be true.

>>82377053
>Assimilation of brain matter keeps synapses intact I guess
This bugged me in the prequel. It implied the Thing could speak coherently but not remember which side of its face had the earring.

When do you die once infected? When does your mind cease being itself?

>>82376173
The short story by the name of "The Things" provides an interesting perspective - it suggests that it takes you over while you're alive.

>>82388295
Official or fanmade?

>>82387096
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBzpT7VmSaU

the crew actually intended to make the film filled with practical effects just like the original

they showed that version to the studio execs who hated it and mandated the switch to CGI with barely any time before release.

that's why the 2011 Thing is filled with CGI. Fucking faceless execs.

(it's still a decent film and it has MEW so it has that going for it)

>>82385308
The whole point of the novels was that the thing copies the individual accurately to a fault.
In the novel the thing itself comes up with the blood test because that's what the infected character would have done.

So yes, the thing copied the faulty heart deliberately.

>>82388343
Fanmade, produced by an legitmate author however.

>>82388185
I rewatch the Thing more than Alien, for one.

>>82388185
The Thing is more fun but Alien is the overall better movie.

>>82388185
Alien makes me uncomfortable to watch, mostly because of the chestburster.

The Thing makes me more uneasy though It's great at building paranoia, which I feel sticks with me more than the stuff in Alien does (except the chestburster again).

The character interactions are better in The Thing as well, but I like the ones in Alien more despite that.

>>82388677
I like the characters in Alien more than those in The Thing. despite the better character interactions in The Thing, is what I meant to say.

>>82388677
Greimasian semantic rectangle

>>82381294
Underrated

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>>82381294

Good Answer.

>>82381953
WRONG

the movie gets more terrifying as the plot progresses. The more we learn about it (it can flawlessly mimic, turn any part of it's body into a tool/weapon, be cut apart and still survive, can infect you with just one cell, etc.) the scarier the monster becomes. If it was just a mass that killed from the shadows and was never fully seen on camera it would be way less scary. Less is not always more.

>>82388264

Imagine if you are you, but your cells have a mind of their own, and influence your thoughts, and if they feel threatened you get ripped apart

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>>82387096
>I liked the prequel
You should. It's almost an exact copy of the first one.

>>82376173
It has death touch.

>>82389102
man, the scariest part about that is the humanity in her face. The way it's torso keeps eating you can't tell if she's actually there or if it's just The Thing looking at you. Shame it's messy CGI.

>>82376533
The Thing is a shapeshifter, it can look like anything it wants to. So both things can look like people, or one can and the other becomes a dog or something, or both become dogs or monsters.

>>82377628
In the original novella, the thing infects the milk supplies. Anyone who drinks it becomes a thing. The only survivors are people who drink their coffee black.

>>82378025

More like the entire biomass of Earth would have been assimilated in a matter of days.

>>82381294
I dont think the Thing Infects people just merely by touching them, because then there'd be no movie

It takes something as violent as the attack
on Windows to get the transformation going at least

>>82378025
>>82389455
or we get that crappy comicbook

>>82389532
We don't talk about those

>>82376173
it's a movie you goddamn retarded manchild.
you're probably the kind of autistic faggot who has emotional debates about warp-cores.

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>>82389619
at least we got this spread out of one of them

>>82389648
>Discussion about films is not allowed on the television board

Wew lad.

>>82389648
>not wanting to discuss one of the greatest kinos of all time
Are you sure you're not the autistic one, anon?

what if all life on Earth is already the Thing, but just forgot? we all have junk dna and thats the Thing sleeping. the "prime" Thing knows its sentient cells and when its introduced to current earth cells it just reminds them that they "alive". thing cell signaling other cells to wake up at chemical speeds is as fast as the conversions were shown. cell invasion and conversion would take a lot of time/energy

>>82389508
Didn't they say a single thing cell can take over an entire organism given enough time?

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>>82389648

>>82389744
It's a speculation to ramp up the paranoia.
Given that the thing didn't sit back and wait, it's probable that it's not an accurate one.

>>82389732
there is a difference between discussing things clearly intended by normal functioning people (dialog, plot, atmosphere, composition) and the inner workings of a fictional world that no sane person would work out in detail - because they are irrelevant unless you are obsessed with *pointless* details aka autistic.

>>82389508
So, what? Can our immune systems stave off small scale infection? It's shown to work on the cellular level. If it's only a minor infection are the Thing cells effectively benign? Like do they just assault and replicate our cells then just carry on like the originals without initiating a full hostile takeover?

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>>82389821

>>82389821
(you)

>>82378191
Because The Thing would win. There's no arguing that. And you'd have to make the movie absurdly dumb to justify any other conclusion. And it would cost a fortune.

The Antarctic setting is integral to making the premise work.

>>82389870
hell if I know
either the thing is just not smart enough to realize it can infect slowly, or it needs to be violent about it to replace a person all at once

>>82389924
I still like the idea of doing it on a submarine

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The Thing replaces the hosts cells.

It can infect them with a single cell, and wait hours until it spreads and converts the host.

Or it can tangle or "eat" a host, touching as much of its body with the hosts, increasing the infection speed.

Slow assimilation can be noticable by the host, but only as feeling "unwell".

At what point the host loses its own conciounsness is unknown.

My headcanon is that the hosts mind is always intact, but their body is completely out of their control and alien. More scary that way.

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>>82389985
Or a space station.

>>82389951
>>82390028
I kind of wish the infectious end of the Thing's ability list was tamed a bit. I know it goes against the concept of it being more a force of nature but it would really soothe my autism a great deal if it just calmed the fuck down a little.

>>82390143
>>82390028
I always thought that THEORETICALLY a single cell could take over an organism, but that the immune system would fight it so a single thing cell would get fucked right away. That's why in my head canon the thing has to get a bunch of cells into the host to make sure the assimilation process can be sustained and completed.

>>82390218
Wouldn't it just assimilate immune cells?

>>82390478

Its like aids, a single cell wont give you hiv.

>>82390028
I read a spinoff story once, I think it was called "The Things".

In it, the Thing basically didn't comprehend what a brain was. It was thinking in terms of itself, where every piece is sentient and together they're more than the sum of their parts. So when it infected a human, its first thought was "where the fuck is the other person that I'm merging with, why is this flesh empty" because it expect another "soul" in the cells. It actually took it a long time to consume the brain, and even when it had taken most of the brain, the Thing basically left it alone until it wanted to Assume Direct Control.

So yeah, comes close to fitting your headcanon. The person was in there, but foggily, not fully aware of their state. Childs actually stayed conscious enough to realize he was infected and communicate with the Thing a bit, although he just basically cursed at it and then died before it could respond.

If the Thing could have split off into tiny parts and infected everyone and escaped, it would have. It was smart enough to build a rocket ship, it would have figured it out if it could instantly win.

So we have to conclude that wasn't a viable strategy. My guess is that it's vulnerable to the environment when broken off too small. It was able to stay frozen as a big chunk for hundreds of years, but maybe if it split into little bits, those would actually just die to the cold.

>>82389870

Thing cells work like any other parasitic cell. they can't break the skin barrier. The immune system will fight it, which is why people with a minor thing infection feel sick.

The question is if the thing can survive the immune response like HIV, or if it requires an infection significant enough to outpace our immune system.

The latter solves a lot of questions, and blair still gets infected from the dissection and thing cellular research he did.

>>82390608
It has to be more like cancer given that cells self replicate. Eventually you should wind up with a cluster of Thing cells, even from one, if your immune system can't do anything about it.

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>>82390795
Why does everyone forget that the Thing WAS building a spaceship?

>>82390993
It was likely the only type of transportation it knew could get it to the mainland and knew how to fly.

>>82390993
Always hated that part. What would it even have used as a power source?

>>82391177
Snow.

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>>82390993
In the prequel they built a glorious pilot for the spaceship, but test audiences were confused as to why later things didn't look like the pilot - they didn't understand that the implication was that the pilot was just another being that got thing'd.

>>82391177
The bbc of Naul and Childs

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>>82391282
>t test audiences were confused as to why later things didn't look like the pilot - they didn't understand that the implication was that the pilot was just another being that got thing'd.
where do they get these morons?

>>82391177
dead dogs

>>82391282
>>82391368
I have, too, this general question. How are the test audiences formed? Random people, diversified sample, target demographics sample?
They fucked up many movies in the past.
How the fuck all of this work?

>>82391368
Focus groups made up of ordinary people
https://youtu.be/Id9GW02srX4?t=18m32s

>>82391282
test audiences ruining everything as always. I guess theres no hope any studio will start IQ screening their test audiences. Most movie goers are subhuman after all, gotta get that retard money flowing in.

>>82376173
All those super virus (the thing, protomolecule, helix, alien black goo) work on the asumption of quatum mechanics computing.

>>82391282
The way you worded it sounds so fucking wrong, most likely what happens in these scenarios is execs send their kids to watch the early shit and they dont understand wtf is going on and they just change it, cuz why complicate things

>>82391368
test audiences, man

like, just recently, I think it was on joe rogan where some chick talked about how she got feedback on a comedy, where in one of the scenes where some chick was obviously masturbating in front of a computer, huge parts of the test audience has no idea that's what the character was doing because she "wasn't in the bathtub" or "hadn't lit candles" or tons of other absurdly retarded things that they personally did when they flicked the bean. there are some frighteningly stupid people out there, anon, and they directly influence how movies turn out through shit like this

though not like /tv/ is free of them either...

>>82391501
>“The Pilot was the Thing perfectly replicating the species of aliens that built the saucer. It was replaced after a screening that apparently confused viewers as to what the Pilot was. It was felt that, since the audience had only been shown iterations of the Thing that were asymmetrical, split open and grisly, to present a creature that looked like it evolved through normal biology was a violation of what had been seen in the 2011 film as well as the John Carpenter film. It was then decided that the Thing in the climax needed to be more ‘Thing-like’. We designed the Sander-Thing as a maquette that was scanned and animated.”
https://monsterlegacy.net/2013/03/03/the-thing-pilot-alien-creature-deleted-fired/

>>82391557
So when we die we'll get to see all the movies from the alternate universes that didn't trust test audiences right?

>>82378030
You can concern yourself with things that don't ultimately matter or you can stop eating, lay down on your floor, and stare at the ceiling until you starve to death.
Take your pick

>>82391557
>make a Thing Prequel
>Prequel to an incredibly niche cult film that took decades before it got the accolades it truly deserved
>specifically designed to cash in on nostalgia for The Thing, be it fan or someone who's heard of it
>use test audiences who have no prior engagement with the film whatsoever
WHAT WERE THEY THINKING?!

>>82380360
mfw some kid on the internet has better ideas for a movie than hollywood

>>82391822

It's almost as if the creatives, responsible for the creative vision, had little to no input on the money/marketing side of things.

>>82391968
That fails to explain the depth of their incompetence when you realise the marketing was directed at entirely the wrong area.
It's one thing to fuck up by poorly pandering to the demographic, but quite another to not even pander to a demographic that will ever watch it.

What really interests me is the computer simulation/microscopic footage Blair was working on

The thing cell mimics the cell it absorbed and replaced. ON MICROSCOPIC LEVEL
It must be some amoeba cell

Another thing always amuses me. If every part of my body has its will and would run away from fire, wouldn't I break apart in front of fire since every part of me wants to run away?

>>82377628
It may have tried in the movie, but the doc suggested everyone only eat canned food so it wouldn't happen.

Just rewatched the Palmer-Thing transformation and realised that the blood sample was never dealt with. What if that's what got Childs while Blair-Thing was busy with Mac and co.

>>82394727
There was stray contamination everywhere. Anything could have gotten Childs.

>>82389319
Thats whats scary about The Flood from Halo.

>>82377505

Only if they take communion with each other.

http://clarkesworldmagazine.com/watts_01_10/

>>82377626

I just noticed something. Whose head is the spider thing's when the head is still on the body that burst open?

>>82396244

Sorry, not the spider head but the head that pops out of the chest. Who's head is that when the body still has its own head?

I always assumed that it varied depending on what its tactic became, switching from just copying the body (like the Ron Howard looking dude) and slowly taking over the body without the host suspecting at all until the Thing wanted to come out (like the guy on the couch when they did the blood test).

Another thing always amuses me. If every part of my body has its will and would run away from fire, wouldn't I break apart in front of fire since every part of me wants to run away?

>>82376173
did you guys know that some people got together to make a dub on the comics. they are almost like audio dramas which are cool.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-86OqvaZ_88

>>82389508
You'd be wrong, the first human gets infected by the thing/dog licking him

>>82396542
>it got into the water
Welp. We're fucked.

>>82390834

Because he sticks a full viral load in his mouth. And he's old.

>>82396787

There's no proof of that

>>82396787

even if true that's saliva transfer

>>82396320

it's a distraction head. the thing built a 2nd head inside to distract the humans so it could pop the real one off and escape.

>>82396980
>It's Antarctica
>late into the lonely cold night
>a man walks into the dog cage, and takes out his favorite fuck-buddy dog to fuck him
>gets really fucked up
>the man is McReady

Thread may be dead but I wanted to share something nonetheless.

Now, as we know, the 'The Thing' franchise is pretty dead as of yet but I had an idea for a screenplay for a new film in the same universe, called "Things" or "The Things", and the catch is this time there are 2 (TWO) Things on the loose, doubling the stakes.

What do you guys think?

>>82396787
This theory never held water. There are too many instances of confirmed Thing-people contacting others who are later verified human for this to work.

Based on evidence and the fact that the computer simulation is a sketchy (at best) representation of what was in the actual book and script (and that the what the script says fits what else is observed about the virulent nature of the thing) it's best to assume casual contact and possibly even minor infection can be fended off by the body.

Every instance of the thing infecting someone in the movie can be explained through macroscopic, violent transfer of fluids and other matter. Infection is most probably a red herring meant to drive tension and audience confusion.

>>82377628

it does, notice that the thing only hulks out when its life is threatened.

>>82397180
sounds awful

>>82377323
it would know what is "moral" from a human perspective but those valuations dont apply to the thing as it is not of this planet and doesnt really need anything else the way humans depend on other species.

>>82396787

If infection could occur through a saliva transfer to unbroken skin, the Thing wouldn't need the violent assimilation that it uses. It could transfer a drop of saliva to every human and never risk itself. Therefore this theory doesn't hold water.

>>82397232
Do you want instead a remake with all CGI?

>macready was a thing
>the person who outed him was also a thing
>by the end of the film everyone is a thing
>everyone thinks that the things all get along like a hivemind
>they actually can't tell who is what any clearer than the humans can
>they also fucking hate each other
>the movie was actually a battle of dominance among the things on the arctic base

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>>82396542
here is another one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jq7vXRcBXI0

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>>82397392

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CXmej7I1NA

and another one

>>82390834
>>82390858

I like the references to HIV and cancer because it relates to the computer simulation that was shown.

Actually, even HIV has a 'critical mass' of cells before it can spread. very small exposure to HIV will not self-sustain. this depends on the strain of HIV, because they each target different markers on the immune cells. each type of leukocyte or whatever has different concentrations of markers. Some can't support certain strains of HIV.

The cancer analogy -- how to detect which cells are cancerous? The definition of cancer is more linear than binary, so trying to figure who was infected is more akin to trying to figure out whether someone had more affinity towards the thing form. I'm talking a bit out my ass here but anti-cancer drugs target i.e. hair follicles too, so I'm trying to figure out what that means, assuming the analogy holds. The HIV analogy makes a lot more sense to me.

>>82388264
I think it depends on how you view life.

If you are simply a result of your neurological pathways, you're alive until those are destroyed.
If there's a soul or spirit, then you're dead once you're completely infected during a 'stealth' infection as it has completely taken over your body.

>>82378103
I always understood it as not being very good at shapeshifitng. Either it subtly takes the 'pure' form of someone without a fight or if it has to violently infect something it requires time to perfect the mutation. But, if the need arises, it can mutate into other forms that are simple, disgusting, and obvious.
Remember the guy with the hands and that horrible scream? It didn't have time to perfect the form and was caught. But when they discover who is infected with the blood test, it sprouts ugly legs from the head and tries to escape.

>>82394727
Wasn't it whoever took out the generator the one who got Childs? I remember the tracking shot that introduced the idea that Childs was infected started on the door he was guarding and lead to the staircase that went to the generator.

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>>82392126
>If every part of my body has its will and would run away from fire, wouldn't I break apart in front of fire since every part of me wants to run away?

I'm on to you.

>>82397308
Yeah but if they are all the things why would they hate each other

>>82392126
>break apart in front of fire since every part of me wants to run away?
That's exactly what happened when Norris' body caught fire

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>>82397830
best one and most recent one. the actors for Macready and Agaptio are excellent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuTgq6VbCwg

>>82392126
>The thing cell mimics the cell it absorbed and replaced. ON MICROSCOPIC LEVEL
>It must be some amoeba cell

Why would you need to make a cell look like another cell? Only humans have microscope to check cells and not even humans check cells all the time

>>82398470
>>82392126
The real question is what would happen if I stick a hot needle into your arm

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do you like Rob Ager content on The Thing?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EW0ygt4DGQ&spfreload=5

>>82376173
>How exactly does the thing "work"?
How exactly does a head grow spider legs from the eye sockets whenever it feels like to?

How exactly does a drop of blood move itself away from a hot needle?

>>82376173
idk if anyones answered this yet but childs is the thing at the end. the filmmakers put a subtle glimmer in the eye of everyone human in the film. macready has a glimmer at the end. childs doesnt. google it its pretty great commentary. ending is better making up you own mind about it tho

Where does the thing get the energy required to suddenly produce huge appendages and form mutation? For example, you see the head detach and sprout legs and eyestalks. Where did the energy to do that come from? The amount required would be absurdly huge and it doesnt have any sort of breathing or circulation mechanisms to even sustain itself, let alone multiply itself

>>82387173
Childs is the thing. The bottle mac gives him was one of the Molotov cocktails they made to destroy the base. He drank gasoline like it was nothing. That's why Mac laughs after he drinks it. It was a test to see if he was a thing.

All of the above.

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>>82399551

you are incorrect

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dP74Ic1k_bk

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>>82387173

proof is here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30OW_EUX33I

>>82398378
Like flesh, they assimilate racism.

>>82399187
There's tons of energy in the human body, we're just not very good at accessing it quickly. The Thing is probably able to metabolize any of its tissues very quickly to mutate when needed. It wouldn't last long having just done that, but just being able to escape then and there might allow it to find something to eat and recuperate.

>>82388363
There's actually a film, that was kickstarted by the company that did all the practical effects for The Thing remake and just used them in their own movie instead after they were told it'd be just a bunch of cgi.

>>82385641
watch this, he explains why the breath theory is wrong
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30OW_EUX33I

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>>82400196

already posted>>82400078

don't listen to him has been assimilate.

>Brainlets
do you even remember the computer with the bad graphics explaining how it assimilated

>>82400272
No, explain it to me

>>82400078
Rob Ager is the last real nigga

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>>82400518
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SppG-I_Dhxw

>>82400258
This looks so gay

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5lQ9DCXIbs

>>82396244
>>82396320
>>82397091
Yeah. The head that pops off is Norris's but I'm pretty sure the head that bursts from the thing's chest is an imitation of Dr Copper's

>>82380955
Then why do they torch Windows?

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>>82400628
How the fuck is this Copper?

>>82400272
Why would the thing cell needs to look like human cell?

How does the thing blood drop move itself away from needle?

>>82400673
Oh yeah, shit you're right.

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>>82400590

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgRWMbGSUec

>>82400628
so the thing-guy builds the next guy he plans to replace inside his body?

That's cooler than Alien life cycle
Shame nobody followed up on this

>>82400748
He's put out a few The Thing videos lately. Unfortunately he's locked his 55 minute MacRready character analysis behind his paywall.

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>>82376173
>WE WUZ THINGS

>>82400772
I think they sort of did in the prequel
https://youtu.be/UQnmVWYRDUM?t=1m33s

Frozen MEW pussy.

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>>82400844
>not "THANGZ"

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>>82400842
I remember watching it and really liked it.

also his idea for a second film
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HIgZ8kGUT8

>>82400969
>I remember watching it and really liked it.

You bought it? Upload that shit.

>>82400990
guy has to eat and besides none of his vids are that much anyway.

I also have the judge Dredd and the Prodigy analysis.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFauBXQkoT4

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>>82386827

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Why was there no thing in a hoodie?

Fucking lying posters

>>82401210
A long time ago all I thought of the "Thing" was from the poster.

I assumed it was in the snow, of course, but I always imagined the "Thing" was just a spirit or creature that lived inside a body in a parka, that the 'man' in the poster WAS the "Thing". Like some kind of Body Snatchers scenario but in the Arctic/Antarctic.

It wasn't until way later I learned this wasn't the case. Still haven't seen the movie either.

>>82400924
Well now that you remind me that the dog thing autopsy said it too.

But to think that Norris grew the next guy's head inside him is just weird.

>>82400969
>>82401096
Bit shit to be honest

>>82376173
How it takes form isn't exactly important, that's what makes it scarier

There is a critically acclaimed short story called The Things which tells the story of The Thing from its POV as a sympathetic character.

>>82401517
http://clarkesworldmagazine.com/watts_01_10/

>>82398494
>Meanwhile thousands of other pieces blown from the sub managed to infect an equal number of fish and other marine life and all of humanity is still fucked.

>>82401517
>>82401883
>ywn write a Hugo-winning story written from CIA's perspective

>>82376173
Eye Gleam

>>82401955
Kek
>"What's happening here? I'm supposed to be in charge."

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What do you think happened to him?

I think "Blair" took him.

>>82402112
Self immolation

>>82402165
you sure? pretty sure he'd have screamed wildly, most of his corpse would remain, not to mention the sheer effort of it.

>>82377218

It is sapient, however it wouldn't find anything wrong with what it's doing, its assimilation is how it both eats and reproduces, two of the most fundamental biological imperatives.

>>82380695

Either, once you come into contact with it, either by being devoured or infected, you're fucked.

>>82381953

Wow, got any other first year observations for us?

>>82402112
>>82402165
I think he got jumped, tried to defend himself but ended up setting himself on fire.

>>82377505
What is a Thing tried to thing another Thing. Would it apologize?