ITT: Films people dont seem to get

You literally were conned by Travis if you think that, or you're a psycho as well. Travis went out of his way to put himself near terrible people. He took routes other cabbies wouldn't despite opening the film complaining about the people that live on those routes. He sets himself up to be proven right about his negative outlook on the world

>city devoid of morals
How does a guy that wants to assassinate a senator to get back at a jilted lover the moral person in this film? What more do you need to see to show that he's crazy?

>>82358585
Shut up, retard.

It was the fucking Searchers.

>>82358585
He deserved the loli

I used to have this poster. Pretty dope but it makes you look mad gay when girls are around

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>>82358585
He's using the wrong hand. See he is left eye dominant, so he needs to train to shoot with his left hand, even if his right arm is his strong arm. This is one of my favorite movies probably ever, but that picture triggers me, as well as when he does it in the movie.

t. /k/ faggot

Travis is the type of guy who would complain about SJWs, but browses tumblr all day.

>>82358718
Palentine was a false signal of hope that promised change but would never act. Whether he was disillusioned or not, he thought he was doing good. When he ralked to Palentine he could tell he was a phoney just like everyone else. All Travis wanted was love and Betsy also did but couldn't handle giving the same love back to Travis. Travis helped a random hooker get back to a healthy life. He did much more than others could ever say.

>>82358718
This

>>82358585
It's not black and white, it's just a perfect storm of circumstances that turn Travis into what he is, including deteriorating mental health (which is also from a number of different factors)

>complains about people not getting the movie
>doesn't get the movie

>>82358951
Travis never changed throughout the film. He only decided to do something about it when Betsy left him.

>>82358874
Is this true? I've never used a gun but I assume you could just tilt your head like Travis is doing in the poster so it's lined up. Having to use your off-hand or eye seems too big a hindrance.

>>82358585
if you didnt try so hard to relate Travis's struggle to your own, and end up idealizing him on the way you might've actually got the film
>>82358905
so /pol/?

>>82359004
I know he didn't, I'm not talking about over the course of the movie, I'm talking about over the course of his life

>>82359027
What is the film about then instead of making baseless assumptions about me?

>>82358908
>Whether he was disillusioned or not, he thought he was doing good
Everybody thinks what they are doing is good, otherwise they wouldn't do it. What kind of dumb fucking justification is this? Is Jeffrey Dahmer a good guy because he thought he was "doing good"?

>When he ralked to Palentine he could tell he was a phoney just like everyone else.
Because the guy was being fake-nice to some cab driver? I recall Palentine being more puzzled and put on the spot than rude to Travis. Killing Palentine would accomplish nothing, if he wants to change things he could have gotten involved in local politics or community organizations.

>Travis helped a random hooker get back to a healthy life.
To fuel his hero complex and create an excuse for "justified" violence.

>He did much more than others could ever say.
He could have taken a normal 9-5 job and done charity work in his spare time. Instead he put himself with the scum of the city then complains how scummy they are, isolated himself in order to cry about being lonely, and all the while bought guns and planned assassinations.

>>82359023
Yes it's true. In basic training they will make you learn to use the arm that compliments your dominant shooting eye, even if you've never used that arm for anything in your life. You'll never properly use a rifle sight trying to cock your head sideways. You can wing it with a pistol, but it will never be nearly as proficient has proper shooting posture. I know it's just a technical error because Deniro had probably never really messed with firearms before

>>82359099
>Everybody thinks what they are doing is good, otherwise they wouldn't do it

Not him, but that isn't true. Most people think they're doing the right thing, but there are people out there who know they're evil and in the wrong

>>82358874
>he does it in the movie
Really, when?

>>82359099
This is a very narrow look into his life and you are trying to distance yourself from Travis instead of trying to relate to him like everyone should try to do with everyone. Your claims are opinions on how a person should act based on your point of view so you are being hypocritical when you say Travis is doing so too.

>takes his date to a porno
Travis is borderline retarded.

>>82359216
More like self destructive

>>82359157
At the shooting range and I wanna say when he's sitting in his apartment finger fucking one and pointing at the TV. Pretty sure you can catch him do it at the end as well. There's nothing inaccurate about it or anything, just a small error on Deniros part. Some people shoot like that until they're corrected otherwise

>>82358718
this right here

travis made his own problems and used them to justify a false sense of righteousness over others, he failed to connect with people and blamed it on society

>>82359248
Fuck. I hope I won't notice that next time i watch it.

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Do you guys think Travis actually served in the Marines?

I think he did but I could see why people would think he's lying

>>82359183
Oh I relate to Travis a lot. The sadness and self destructive mental behavior is very accurate, and even if you don't know that first hand Scorsese/DeNiro/Schrader makes him so incredibly sympathetic. That's what makes the movie so fantastic, you feel like you really understand this very atypical character

That said Travis is not a good person. You really have to jump through hoops to say that or take his POV in the film at face value

>>82359254
How is it all his fault he couldnt make a connection with Betsy? She wasnt happy with Albert Brooks but chose him over Travis because Travis was socially inept due to a lack of social life. She realized how great he was when she attempted to talk to Travis at the end but Travis decided to ghost her which was petty on his part.

>>82359312
It's not a big deal man only for gun autist. It might make you question his military background a bit tho, maybe he was just a super POG. Or maybe stolen valor? I dunno fuck now I'm going down the rabbit hole. Either way it's still TOP KINO

>>82359324
I'm pretty sure Paul Schrader says it's true.

>>82359324
When I first saw the movies I was under some impression he was lying since his war time was never brought up.

>>82359334
The end is all in his head lad

>>82358718
>>82358736
>>82358951
>>82359027
Am I on facebook right now?

>>82359324
I want to say yes but I feel like his sort of stand offish or complete lack of knowledge of firearms, means he had no experience unless he was some sort of rear D desk jockey or something. He would have still had some basic experience with an M14 or M16 at least, possibly a .45

>>82359329
I never said he was a "good" person just that he's not a complete psycho like people like to think.

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>>82359324
>>82359342
Also it's confirmed in the movie but whether or not you believe it depends on if you think the ending is real.

>>82359334
He's dead broham. The end is fabricated. TOP TIER KINO

>>82359371
Proof? Not being a dick I just want your logic behind that claim.

>>82359101
how do you know which is the dominant eye

>>82359374
There's no denying that New York City in the 70's was filled with the scum and filth Bickle describes, but to act like Travis was some faultless saint/hero with perfect mental health is just beyond ludicrous

>>82359371
This is up for interpretation and I don't think even Scorsese knows the answer.

>>82359430
Different anon here, but watch how the camera pans out from his body after he does the shooting. It's symbolic of his consciousness leaving his physical body. All hearsay, take it or leave it

>>82359397
He is though. Lots of people feel isolated and in a bad place without crafting violent fantasies and then jumping at he chance to act them out

>>82359461
Name one fault.

>>82359403
i can't read shit

>>82359430
That's just how I interpreted it

There's rarely a "right" answer when it comes to interpreting art though, different people take different things away from the same piece of art

>>82359505
He's self destructive and self loathing

>>82359334
it wasn't necessarily his fault as to why he couldn't make a connection, it's how he deals with the rejection that cements his character. he's bitter and only sees what he wants to see, if I recall he says something to the effect of "I thought you were different than them" when confronting her after she rejects him

travis sees himself in a bubble that can do no wrong, he can't empathize with other people because he sees himself as something different

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>>82359452
Use your pointer finger and thumb on both fingers and make a square box you can look through, like a camera or picture frame. Now point it at an object in your room with both eyes open. Now close one eye and see if you can still see that object? Whichever eye you can still see the object in the little finger box you've made, will be your dominant shooting eye. Once you start shooting for many years you will use both eyes anyway, but you'll always lean on the dominant one for proper sight alignment, especially for rifles

>>82359484
He didnt want to be just a Taxi Driver like the old man said he should so he became something else. Not saying he was justified but implying that he was insane is kind of a stretch.

>>82358585

>show movie to two friends
>both of them rate them 0/10

I don't get it, i love taxi driver, i love how it shows the american hero myth and how it touch loneliness

>>82359511
>Travis Bickle, 26, has been a truck(?) driver for the last few months since he came to New York upon leaving the Service where he fought in a special forced unit in Viet Nam, it was learned from the president of the taxi garage where Bickle worked out of...

>>82359065
>baseless assumptions about me
>baseless
They're obviously based on your post and their own experience of the movie

>>82359513
>>82359476

I dont know man it seem like it would fit well if he lived.

>>82358585
He isn`t insane. Just extremely lonely.

people that think Travis is a role model should be put on a watch list

>>82359452
Cross your hands over one another but leave a small-ish hole for you to look through in the centre. Find something small to focus on (like the centre of a clock) and look at it through the hole in your hands while having your arms extended. Slowly bring your hands back to your face and the hole should come towards your dominant eye. Someone call out my b.s. if this is wrong

>>82359626
You claimed I idealized him. I never said such a thing.

>>82359574
My dominant eye according to your method is my right eye, however I have imperfect vision in it whereas my left eye vision is perfect. Should I still use my right eye even though it will be blurry?

>>82359547
Objective self-assessment and destruction of the false self is the highest aspiration of man. Try again.

>wants the rain to wash the streets clean
>jerks off in a porn theater

>>82359611
>it was learned from the president of the taxi garage where Bickle worked out of
So we still don't even know if he was really in the service.

>>82359703

>he doesn't realize that this is the motto of the movie

>>82359703
That's one of the points of the movie. He doesn't realize how close he is to the "scum".

>>82359706
Oh shit I forgot about this, you're right. I guess that piece of evidence can be struck off.

>>82359600
Insane as in mentally unwell, yes. See here >>82359562, he has no sense of empathy, doesn't understand social discourse, delusions of grandeur, no self awareness, persecution fantasies, etc. All signs of one or more personality disorders or worse

>>82359741
>>82359733
I believe he thinks everyone is wathcing these movies for entertainment which would justify his view of people as scum and why he took Betsy there.

>>82359680
yes. If you were to shoot a rifle on your right shoulder you couldn't get a decent sight alignment

I like the fact that it's 40 years later and people are still debating whether or not bickle was a good guy

fuck taxi driver is great

>>82359777
Why did he go to watch a porno on his own then?

>>82358585
>clearly delusional at the end where he gets a happy ending rather than dying or being put in jail for murder

>>82359777
Nah, he'd gone by himself before.

>>82359216
If girls don't like porn, why are they in them?

>>82359784
...with your left eye. If you were to try to shoot it with your left shoulder, you couldn't get a proper sight picture with your right eye, your right eye is the one you should be using to align your sight picture to be true

>>82359821
Only thing he saw that was playing. Been out of society so long he thought it was a normal theater

>>82359676
I'm a different poster. Just saying what they obviously based their assumptions off of

>>82358585
That film is about loneliness, nothing beyond that is a main theme. Said by Scorsese himself

Is Falling Down pretty much a remake?

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The opening scene is the best scene in the movie

>how's your driving record
>it's clean, like my conscience

>>82359674
He's a strong male role model who sticks to his ideas. That's admirable. In some cultures he'd be worshipped.

>>82359790
I think the problem is that most people can't understand the difference between understanding somebody, and maybe even feel a bit of sympathy towards him, and actually agreeing with him and thinking he's a good guy.
Someone else brought up Jeffrey Dahmer here. If you read his bio, you can see he was a poor motherfucker that had a very shitty life. That doesn't make him any less of a piece of shit at the end.

>>82359858
I hope you're just trolling, or too stubborn to admit you're wrong.

>>82359906
I like to think the ending is real, because there's fucktards like this guy out there that would make such an ending real.

>>82359956
I'm speculating faggot. You just want to be right so you trap yourself in a bubble of ignorance.

>>82360046
So you're just talking bullshit. I'm talking about what actually happens in the movie.

>>82360097
No you are speculating just like me

>>82359923
but I think it's still subtle enough to make the average movie goer think that travis was a misunderstood hero, it's hard to tell and can be argued, he's obviously deranged but in the end his insanity resulted in a "positive" action

it can be interpreted a million different ways and I think that's the most important aspects of a film

>>82359982
What's your major malfunction? Mohawks are cool, drugging little girls isn't.

>>82360111
*one of the (most important)

Actual film discussion and not just memes. Is /tv/ saved?

>>82360111
Yeah, it's obviously not a preachy movie that presents things in black and white terms, but as you can see in this thread, the people that think (or at least, like to say) that Travis was actually a good guy are either morons or do all sorts of mental gymnastics to make the film fit their own preconceived ideas.
Like this guy >>82359858

>>82360107
No, I am saying what happens in the movie. He goes to a porno, and he stays there to watch the movie. In no point he acts like he was uncomfortable, or that it wasn't what he expected to see there. He just stays there and watches the movie, surrounded by all the "scum" he hates so much.

>>82360179
have you seen the catalog?
capeshit, politics and racebaiting.

There's only 25 posters here.

>>82360184
4chan of all places is naturally going to be filled with travis sympathizers

sometimes movies can hit too close to home

>>82360233
He covers his eyes dude

>>82360120
I never said the guys he killed are good guys.
I like the ending because it shows how a sociopath, violent guy can become a hero to the public eye, simply by killing the right person.

>>82360242
>25 daring young anons
>who dared to stand in solidarity against a sea of shitposting
>when capeshit filled the seas
>THIS SUMMER

>>82360272
Holy shit, I seriously hope you're trolling.

>>82360120
wtf I love Travis Bickle now!

>>82360293
and it's even more ironic because the very same day he was planning to murder the "wrong" person but chickened out

such a good fucking movie

>>82358585
If 99.999% of society is insane degenerate scum, and you're the only sane one, maybe you're actually the insane one after all. Or, maybe everyone is controlled by the Jewish cultural marxist NWO subversion agenda and you're the only one with a high quality water filter.

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>>82360305

>>82360179
Being serious is pretty cringey. It's better to be ironic and not care about anything (saying what you really think), that way your feelings don't get hurt when someone calls you out.
Anyway, you can only have the same old tired "discussions" about these ancient movies, if you tried this with a movie made after 2010 it'd 404 two hours later with one post.

>>82358585
>Everyone seems to think Travis is insane rather than just reacting to a society filled with scum.

Doesn't mean he isn't insane. Not that I think there's much wrong with purging degenerates, but old boy was off his rocker.

>>82360354
Travis definitely OD'd on redpills

>>82360346
Exactly, but as you can see, some people here can't really deal with subtlety and irony.

>>82358585
He went nuts because the world broke him. He wanted compensation for getting fucked over so much in the form of fame more than he wanted to fix society. You can see it when he tries to kill the politician. He didn't care whether about being infamous for killing the politician or famous for saving the kid. what took priority is what would give him more attention.

>>82360360
meh this is my first time discussing this movie, it's pretty interesting to hear what other people took away from it

>>82360293
This is a weird case where a movie was allowed to have a little complexity AND be popular with the masses. Multiple reasons for actions, multiple interpretations

>>82358874
>not being perfectly proficient with both hands and eyes

Anything else is absolute pleb

>>82359603
To be fair, when I first saw it I didn't like it much.

Rewatched it and really enjoyed it.

>>82358718
This is literally what you do when you're a lonely outcast.
Just like me searching /v/ and /pol/ for the next thing to be angry about.

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>>82360459
Oh you should definitely use both eyes, but using ONLY his left eye and favoring his right arm is wrong. He has to cock his head a bit and isn't properly aligned behind the sights

I'm of the opinion that travis was ultimately a positive force albeit mentally unstable. Regardless of how much of a creep he was his actions and his story were likely a positive force on the city as a whole for years to come

the end justified the mean

>>82360599
I know what you're saying.

I'm left eye right hand dominant, and as such I've learned to shoot perfectly with both hands, I'll fuck around crossing hands and eyes sometimes for the hell of it though.

>>82359574
Can you train your non dominnt eye to be dominant?

>>82360902
That is above my pay grade but I'm gonna go ahead and say probably not.

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>hits on attractive woman with success
>talks to strangers openly fairly regularly
>holds down a job
>is attractive

Was he really /ourguy/?

>>82358585
The only person who missed the point of the movie is you. Travis was the same scum he was always complaing about

>>82358585
HOLY FUCK this movie was boring. Why is / tv/ always wrong

>>82359906

Ironically he is already admired, in America you have a strong culture of hero's, like the western ones, who are exactly like travis, just that you don't see that part of their lives, you only see the showdown where the hero kills the villain

>>82358585
travis went insane because he didn't get a blow jay from betsy

this is obvious

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>>82361506

>/pol/ tries to analyze a movie
I bet youre one of these idiots who believes that sopranos is "red pilled" and thinks Tony is supposed to be a good guy

>>82358718
so... he saw what people avoided? reality and his truth?

>>82358585

its both really. People think hes an awsome edgy antihero because he kills the pimps, but before that he was about to kill the mayor who is made out to be this great guy who is in fact going to clean up the town.

Hes just a psycho who wants to kill and be famous for it and the idea that hes this crusader is bullshit since he was going to kill the one guy who was going to clean the city up.

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>>82358585
>a city that is void of personality
Now that's an interesting take, care to elaborate?

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Travis is a self loathing sociopath. He has violent racist and misogynistic thoguhts, but hes repulsed by them and so he takes out on the precieved "filth". Hence the scene in pic related. Martin Scorseses charcter represented Travis's inner most thoughts

>>82358874
clueless LARPing faggot

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>>82361619
>projection

>>82363781
Wrong. Scorsese represents the viewer's inner most thoughts. But you're repulsed by them. So you take it out on anyone you can get away with calling a racist/misogynist/nawzi. It was you all along francis.

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>>82359906
>worshipped
As what though?

>>82358585
So who was he talking to?

>>82364145
>/pol/ gets triggered that someone used the m and r words
Whoops, did i invade your safespace?

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Taxi Driver has always made me legitimately uncomfortable.

As much as I enjoy the film, I don't know that I necessarily like watching it, if that makes sense.

>>82358585
That girl was ugly as fuck, why did Travis go insane and risk his life just to save her?

>>82360179
4chan is not the ideal version of your identity, anonymous.

>>82364744
I watched it when i blasted out of my mind on edibles during a low point in my life. I felt like i related way too much to Travis and saw how my future could potentially be just like his life. It forced me to turn my whole life around

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Why didnt you save her, /Travis/?

>>82364744
It's one of those movies where you see the worst parts of yourself in the character.

>>82361387
He inspired me to be more confident and to not be afraid to hit on girls.

>>82364145
Why does Scorsese go out of his way to insult niggers in 80% of his films?

The fact that this was a self-insert aside, why does he keep doing it?

>>82366005
Where were the black jabs in Shutter Island, Hugo or Silence?

>>82366160
They did not exist and this opinion is not incompatible with the post you responded to. In the future, please don't respond to precision-crafted posts with careless comments as you have done here. Really, I'm embarrassed for you.

>>82360482
Same
Now my fav kino

>>82359858
Nigga NY is literally made of movie theaters.

>>82366262
But what constitutes an insult?

>>82366835
Are you the poster of >>82366160 or a separate individual?

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>>82366894
A little of both.

>>82366005
To be fair the actor supposed to be playing this guy got sick so Marty filled in for him

What I always remember about Travis' unraveling is his long overnight shifts and his terrible diet. I worked overnights for a few years and it really does start fucking with your entire psyche. I felt like this was part of why he was becoming more and more isolated and despondent.

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>>82358585
>Travis

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>>82365927

>>82358585
I make it a goal not to end up like Travis Bickle.

That means staying open and staying connected to people.

Don't become overly cynical or hateful or alone or self-destructive.

I've never felt so close to a movie character before seeing this kino
Any similar movies?

>>82370663

Fight Club

>>82370188
Don't worry, white taxi drivers don't exist anymore.

I think the message was more that their are people in society that are hated so much more then murderous psychos that murderous psychos can be venerated as heros for killing them. If he was so concerned about the well being of a child prostitute why didn't he even try going to the authorities? Oh yeah because he wanted to shoot some people again, his motivations were entirely selfish no matter what pretense he might put on but society didn't care because he only killed people they viewed as bad.

>>82359099
>Is Jeffrey Dahmer a good guy because he thought he was "doing good"?

Jeffrey Dahmer didn't think he was doing good and viewed what he was doing as an uncontrollable compulsion, he was extremely regretflu about what he'd done after he got caught. That's a really bad example to use, and even with other serial killers they don't typically care whether what they're doing is right or wrong, because y'know psychopaths. Why not go with good ol' uncle Adolph instead? He though he was saving the world from Judeo-Bolshevism when he gassed all those people, he thought he was a great guy.

>>82360955
>Above my pay grade
I fucking love /k/ when they come to other boards, always the best shit to say even when they're not trying to be funny.

AND HE DOES IT FOR A FEE

>>82360670
Why? Because he rescued one child prostitute?

>>82361792
Relative to the other mobsters (with the possible exception of Bobby) he was a good guy. He didn't want to raise his son to be a mafioso like his father did with him, he actually tried to break the chain rather then continue it even though that meant fundamentally admitting that what he was doing was wrong, something that he didn't want to face. To just say "Tony bad man do bad things" shows such a horrifically simplistic understanding of the show.

>>82371558
>Relative to the other mobsters (with the possible exception of Bobby) he was a good guy
Either this is a bait or you are fucking dense. At the beginning of 5th season Tony became biggest piece of shit among his crew. Even Ralph wasn't that bad. And in the second part of 6th season he got even worse.

>>82366160
>in 80% of his films
Why are people on this board so fucking retarded? It's not a matter of your opinions it's the fact that many of you don't seem to actually read the posts you're responding to, or don't comprehend them in the least. The guy gave himself a very obvious out for the exact objection you raised but you raised it anyway, why?

Btw

>Shutter Island
>2010

>Hugo
>2011, also a childrens movie

>Silence
>2016

Yes I'm sure there wouldn't be any issues with someone putting in out of place insults against black people in modern films, your examples are very selective.

>>82371672
Explain your reasoning, he showed far more regret about the things they did then any of the others.

>Even Ralph wasn't that bad.
Oh the guy who murdered a pregnant women because she got pissed at him about not wanting to support his own child? What a paragon of moral virtue. Or the guy who encourages a kid to leave medicine and become an idiot gangster, even giving him an illegal gun and then acts all innocent when he winds up getting killed. He was the anti-Tony.

>>82371751
Im not gonna go into details since i watched it long time ago, but for example he killed his "nephew" out of fear of him flipping up, then trying to reason his death to himself and others with this baby seat shit. I think killing one of the closest people to you in cold blood just cause you afraid they gonna rat you eventually is far more vile then killing a person in a heat of the argument, while you are on coke.

>>82370663
King of Comedy

>>82371900
You're just assuming that the fear for the baby was some cop out and not a genuine reason. Christopher was a threat to everyone around him because of what a fuck up he was, both to Tony and to his own kid, and he just didn't seem to care. Even if he didn't flip on tony he was just going to get someone else hurt, it was simply a matter of time with somebody like that as the car seat in the accident showed. Maybe you don't agree with him carrying out a little one man eugenics program but to act like he was motivated solely be self-interest just isn't backed up by what we see, if his concern over the baby is so feigned why did he bother looking at the car seat at the accident like that? There wasn't anyone else watching, who was he trying to fool then?

> I think killing one of the closest people to you in cold blood just cause you afraid they gonna rat you eventually is far more vile then killing a person in a heat of the argument, while you are on coke.
Use all the excuses you want Ralphie had exactly zero excuse for what he did, zero, the guy was a fucking psychopath. He wasn't even trying to protect himself like Tony, just impulsively reacting to a perceived slight. That he gets so coked up that it compromises his reasoning to that degree and just doesn't care just makes it worse, not better.

Also what about the shit with Jackie Junior, Tony actively tried to drive both his own son and his best friend's son away from the mob life, even though he otherwise found it so difficult to even imply that what he did was wrong which such actions obviously did, while ralphie tried to draw in this poor vulnerable young man who'd lost his father and desperately needed a father figure to give him direction and directed him right to his own death. Maybe if Tony had filled that role rather then Ralphie he wouldn't have gotten shot and made something of himself, you still going to tell me Ralphie was the good guy?

>>82372154
> if his concern over the baby is so feigned why did he bother looking at the car seat at the accident like that? There wasn't anyone else watching, who was he trying to fool then?
He was trying to fool himself, because he thinks he is a good person. Tony always trying to justify all the shit he is doing for himself.
As for Ralphie, he didn't give a shit about Jackie, and why would he? Jackie wasn't his son. But Ralph really cared for his own son.