>movie denies existence of god

>>82329344
name 1 (one) movie when this happens

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>Movie denies existence of pope

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bx27wa0SpN4

>>82329365
Fight Club

Franco said believing in God isn't a requirement anymore

>>82329461
No he didn't, retard.

>>82329486
http://www.catholic.org/news/hf/faith/story.php?id=51077

Get ready for me christcucks

>>82329344
>Characters in a movie deny the existence of a God.
>Same characters are irrefutable the result of a real world creator, thus proving their assertions spurious.

How meta.

>>82329554
Wtf I love the Pope now.

>movie denies existence of kek

Seriously, how the fuck did Francis become Pope? He's destroying the Catholic Church.

Not that I really give a shit, I'm Protestant, but honestly, why did the Catholic priests and cardinals make this man their leader? I used to think the whole "Pope is the Antichrist" thing was silly, but seeing this Pope, who says being atheist and getting abortions is a-ok in God's eyes, who kisses the feet of muslim refugees while they slaughter his fellow Catholics, I'm starting to think it makes sense.

>>82330038
>Seriously, how the fuck did Francis become Pope? He's destroying the Catholic Church.

Debatable, the its easy to blame the church, but its average Catholics that are dismantling the church. Many catholic's my age barely agree with the church on basic theology.

>why did the Catholic priests and cardinals make this man their leader
because they are attempting to reach out to people that have become apathetic to Catholicism. It's not a particularly effective strategy, as people want the Church to change to suit their lifestyle, instead of the other way around.

>>82329344
>implying this gay ass commie believes in god

>>82330038
For what logical reason should God give a single fuck whether people believe in him or not?

>>82330317
To glorify himself

>>82330446
How could such a vain creature tell who deserves paradise?

>>82330486
He created it so he gets to choose who can get it and who can't.

>>82330317
The existence of something would find its ultimate source in God, meaning its existence would necessarily require God's desire for its continuance.

>But we are the mere product of a system

Omniscience would ensure His awareness of any effects of said system's installation

>Fine, but the universe is to big for Him to actually care about something so small

Omnipotency prevents facilities like attention or concern from being exhausted. To make a claim that God cannot consider the minutia without tiring is denying omnipotency.

>>82330038

Honestly the pedophile priests have done more damage to the church's credibility than that dickhead ever has. Why they insist on protecting those people are beyond me.

>>82330486
>creature
He isn't though

Lol salty Merishart protestans. Why are you angry about everything?

>>82330038
So a Pope who is kind and including is bad? A Pope who cares for the poor and weak is bad?
Stop pretending that you arent a right wing war-hungry nut case hiding behind the Bible.

>>82330557
So what did Pope do that isnt in the scriputre?
Stop being an angry sack of shit.

Wouldn't it actually ensure that only good people go to Heaven if no one knew of God or the Bible, didn't do good out of fear but for the sake of doing good? Only the truly good-natured and righteous would get a pleasant surprise upon death.

>>82330486
>deserves
right, so despite being the ultimate creator of all things, their exists a moral system above God, which He is subject to?

> vain

vanity is a pointless concept. For one, God would, as infinite and all good, be deserving of endless praise, no amount of expression of this could ever be too much. It should, by rights, extend infinitely. Moreover, a true vanity would be the creation of nothing, but rather a satisfaction with Himself. The creation of lower things which participate, yes in glorifying him, but also joy, is hardly "vain" in a human sense.

>>82330665
A Pope who ignores the basic tenets of his own religion is bad. I don't give a shit about politics.

Pope Francis is an excellent leftist poltician but an awful Pope. Imagine if you made Marine Le Pen the Pope, that's basically the right wing equivalent. Great for extremist politics, awful for religion.

>>82329461
Francis isn't a real Pope.

He was voted in out for pressure from the international community and Obama using the IRS to defund Conservative organizations. By the laws of the Vatican, anyone placed in due to the influence of outside forces is not divinely chosen.

Benedict is still the real Pope.

>>82331043
read a history book you fucking retard and realize that all the popes in history have been political.

>>82330665
>So a Pope who is kind and including is bad?
If you deny me, I will deny you.
>A Pope who cares for the poor and weak is bad?
He who does not work does not eat.
>Stop pretending that you arent a right wing war-hungry nut case hiding behind the Bible.
Strawman.

>>82330707
Saying atheists go to heaven for example

>>82330038
The Catholic Church is losing membership like a plummeting rocket and Islam has absolutely BTFO it, they saw the current course wasn't working and elected a reformer

It's the same logic that had Gorbachev be the last leader of the USSR

>>82331121
>If you deny me, I will deny you.
in heaven you fuck.

>>82331092
>read a history book you fucking retard and realize that all the popes in history have been political.

1. I said he was chosen through political pressure.
2. Popes have been political after the fact.
3. Any chosen under such pressure were not Popes either.
4. Recommend me a book(s).
5. Ad hominems won't get you anywhere.

>>82330945
We may consider "God" worthy of praise, but someone or something "infinitely good" would not demand praise, he/she/it wouldn't even have any use for it. Sounds like something a child would do.

>>82331165
>in heaven you fuck.

What comes out of your mouth defiles you.

>>82331043
How is one "divinely chosen"?

>>82331189
God isn't forcing you to do anything.

>>82331178
>>82331227
You're a fucking retard who should kill himself.

>>82329344
The problem with this latino commie is that the God he's working for seems to be Allah.
Especially regarding the European affairs.

It's probably the usual commie hate for Europe because we managed to get rid of all the leftist Communist dictatorships.

>>82331248
Church clergy vote based on virtuosity.

In Francis case they voted based on what would appease the international community.

Francis was a Socialist in his youth in Argentina.

>>82331189
No, it doesn't. Goodness finds its ultimate source in God. Any temporal goodness we have in this life is thanks in part to God, and any true goodness and joy that can last infinitely would only be possible with God. After all, what could possible make eternity tolerable but a relationship with a truly infinite being, one who's mystery and essence saturates said infinity. Any joy we could perceive on this earth, extended into infinity, would eventually become so insipid or dull that it would, in fact, become hell.

You assertion of God as petulant is the result of an incorrect perspective. We CANNOT, in the long run, truely be happy without God, not because He will punish us if we don't, but because of the very nature of infinity, we cannot without Him. His instance on praise is to remind of us this simple truth, that if we cannot hope to find lasting joy without Him. It is an action to our benefit, not His. He is the only source, it is suicidal to believe their is one elsewhere.

>>82331267
God is just sitting on the cloudtop like a trickster imp, watching us stumble through a maze of his own creation, hoping in his infinitely good heart that you and I cave into blind submission.

>>82331284
You don't mean that.

Suicide is a sin.

>>82331036
>A Pope who ignores the basic tenets of his own religion is bad

And that literally never happened

>>82331325
>God is just sitting on the cloudtop like a trickster imp, watching us stumble through a maze of his own creation, hoping in his infinitely good heart that you and I cave into blind submission.

If you have a pet rat in a maze, you hope he finds the right way.

Your projection sounds a little more deep-seated.

How is your relationship with your father?

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>>82331267
If your god doesn't have any control over natural Forces, how is your god omnipotent?

>>82329344
>Pope denies catholic dogmas

>>82331410
I wouldn't put a rat in a maze for my amusement. And I'm not even infintely good, present, knowing or powerful.

If godhood was a democratic process, I'd do 100x better job at being the cosmic overlord.

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>>82331359
/pol/ is pathetic but nothing beats the guys who pretend to be catholic

>>82331490
>guy says things that aren't true
>point it out
>lol you are pathetic

Ok

>>82331410
If you put your young child in a maze and let him starve unless he finds his way, you get your child taken away and probably go to jail.

>>82331456
>If your god doesn't have any control over natural Forces, how is your god omnipotent?

He does, who said he didn't?

"Your God"

Tell me, what is your God? Nihilism, Hedonism, The State?

Everyone has a god.

>>82331456
Free will is a grace. God choosing to exert Will over us does not mean He isn't capable of doing so.

>>82331121
Proved my point. Thanks, you stupid biggit.

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>>82329344

>muh snake cult

The Vatican is shaped like a giant snake. Catholics are so ignorant, that they don't realize they are worshiping the Devil.

>>82331525
Free will doesn't negate natural forces.
We are bound by Human Condition and Natural Forces and if your god is omnipotent, then it was his will to imprison each of us into our own singular perspective.

>>82331510
>atheists can go to heaven
>says proselythism is a sin
>doesn't ignore basic tenets of catholicism
You know all that of course. You just can't own up to it

>>82331420
oh my god why isnt the pope racist like me

>>82331524
>what is your God? Nihilism, Hedonism, The State?
>Everyone has a god.
/pol/'s intellectuals everyone

>>82331525
How is free will even a thing in Abrahamic lore when the Boss already has seen the beginning and the end of everything before it happens?

Giving some slightly more evolved ape-like creature an illusion choice is all it is, if God already knows the outcome.

>>82331524
>who said he didn't?
>>82331267

Chance

>>82330038
because thats what jesus would do, not the people that wrote is meme book what he would actually do, real christianity or what it is suposed to be is closer to budism

>Still buying into antiquated mythologies

Step up your game

>>82331480
>I wouldn't put a rat in a maze for my amusement.

Projection, and incorrect. Virtue cannot be obtained without the freedom to choose it.

>And I'm not even infintely good, present, knowing or powerful.
>If godhood was a democratic process, I'd do 100x better job at being the cosmic overlord.

You admit to being immensely flawed yet you believe to do a better job than an omnipotent being?

Answer my question: How is your relationship with your father?

>>82331615
>>says proselythism is a sin

again, he never said that

>>82331693
>Virtue cannot be obtained without the freedom to choose it.
Jesus didn't choose to be Jesus.

>>82330038

After years of a literal Nazi being pope Francis is the first one that actually makes me lroud to live in a catholic place.

>>82331653
Ability is not action.

I have the ability kill my cat, but I don't.

>>82331733
It is on camera you dumb larper
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3AnX_GBWJw

>>82331762
Yeshua chose not to succumb to sin.

There's an entire section about it

>>82331693
Given what we can see of god's work so far, we can safely conclude he's either not omnipotent or not omnibenevolent. Random disasters, crop failures, genetic disease, parasites and viruses, suggest if god is all powerful he's akin to Jigsaw and this is all his sick game.

>>82331787
So you are saying your god isn't what imposes the natural forces and human condition?

>>82331596
Christianity must be the stupidest religion on the planet

>what? you pray to me in slightly different way than those other christian sects? SIN! HELL FOR YOU!!

either that ore their """""""God"""""" is a psychopath

>>82331828
There is a section about how he was born that way through divine rights that even kings could recognize, so it wasn't a choice, but a blessing.

>>82331828
Jesus is God made flesh. How could he succumb to anything? And even if he did, why would it matter? God, and thus by proxy the Son of God functions outside the ruleset imposed upon us lowly humans.

Did God lose all his godliness when he became flesh? Doesn't that completely wreck the idea of omnipotency?

>>82331838
>Given what we can see of god's work so far, we can safely conclude he's either not omnipotent or not omnibenevolent. Random disasters, crop failures, genetic disease, parasites and viruses, suggest if god is all powerful he's akin to Jigsaw and this is all his sick game.

So what's your solution?

God must Deus Ex Machina every bad event that happens because it hurts your feelings that tragedies happen?

Fucking Futurama solved your theology 101 question in a 39 minute episode.

You still haven't answered my question.

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>>82329344
>movie implies the existence of god

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>>82329344
This guy is a freemason jesuit NWO multiculturalist shill and also a member of rotary international which is a subset of zionist bolshevist freemasonry

>>82331852
Protestantism arose out of the decentralization of the state that the Catholic Church created.

It's the most anti-state religion.Theres a reason Socialists hate it.

>>82331612
Your oblique, but if you are questioning the problem of natural evil see the Beatitudes

>>82331646
Causality still resides within our actions. Knowledge of the result does not deprive us of that. If you are assuming preternatural knowledge as a roadblock, that is because you are conceiving God as merely immortal, not eternal. Existing surely outside of time, every point the in the material universe, from beginning to end, is at the same distance from Him, there is no before or after, His response to all of time takes place in an eternal, unchanging, instant. Our perception of Him reacting based on our actions is due to our inability to think in a truly eternal way.

>>82331950
>because it hurts your feelings that tragedies happen
You suck at this /pol/

Protip: Sidestepping errors in theology by being a smug asshole throwing unrelated buzzwords won't make anyone believe that you believe in god

>>82331950
>God must Deus Ex Machina every bad event that happens because it hurts your feelings that tragedies happen?
No that must be done by a being that can simultaneously satisfy the conditions of omnipotence and omnibenevolence.

>>82331843
Suffering is a necessary aspect our existence.

>B-but I don't want to suffer

Tough shit.

>>82331800
>never said it's a sin

Lol, thanks for playing I guess

>>82331993
>rotary international which is a subset of zionist bolshevist freemasonry

>>82331993
Cling to that shit for as long as you want, you'll all look like hawaiians in 1000 years.

>>82332031
>venom
>lol semantics
Really convincing 2bh

>>82331995
>Theres a reason Socialists hate it.
Socialism is generally against organised religion, not your special flavor of bullshit.

>>82332055
it's not semantics
also he was talking about the ecumenic path, the context is important

>>82331884
>>82331893
He was an avatar of God in the form of man to prove to humanity that it is completely capable of holding up to the laws they deem to be hard.

The Temptation in the desert is a display of resounding resolve in belief.

The problem here is you're trying to think of him as Superman rather than a flawed human emissary.

>>82331950
>God must Deus Ex Machina
Oh you mean the god in the machine? God must god in the machine? How do you idiots manage to become like this?

>>82331995
ah yes, it's not like there have been multiple protestant states or protestant sects sucking up to the state/king for protection

>>82332002
>Beatitudes
IE Don't worry everything will be fixed when you die, get back to work.

>>82329344
francis kinda denies it too,

>>82332088
>He was an avatar of God in the form of man
>to prove to humanity that it is completely capable of holding up to the laws they deem to be hard.
>The Temptation in the desert is a display of resounding resolve in belief.
>The problem here is you're trying to think of him as Superman rather than a flawed human emissary.
Everything about this is wrong

>>82332018
The problem here I you believe I'm trying to convince you.

If we turn this around to what it is Atheism can provide to the world, it becomes a lot more asinine.

>>82332030
Yes, due to a random environmental fluctuations and limited resources and it exists in antithesis to the possibility of an all powerful omnibenevolent creator being.

>>82332028
To satisfy the requirements of Omnipotence means creating every single possible equation ever to exist at the same time.

Therefore our mere existence as well as this conversation is part of that infinite equation.

Overencompassing Omnipotence.

Your ideal vision of God is already happening, you're just not part of that equation.

>>82332120
Was good enough for thousands of martyrs who died when the thought of ending a worldwide persecution was laughable. Oh, and for the actual people who knew Christ the best in life. Its funny how if all they were after was the establishment of a cult for their material benefit, they all, to the man (John possibly excepted) underwent martyrdom. Even the convening Paul, who apparently just invented Christianity as a religion out of his own mind, still managed to find a way of getting his head lopped of. Plenty of popes and bishops after as well.

>>82332097
Which is why it splintered even more.

>>82332088
>to prove to humanity that it is completely capable of holding up to the laws they deem to be hard.
As long as they are an avatar of God resulting from a miracle birth and many obviously manipulated circumstances.

>resolve in belief
He hallucinated his entire life and was detached from reality.

>Superman
So you are saying a god man isn't a superman?

>>82331893
>Did God lose all his godliness when he became flesh? Doesn't that completely wreck the idea of omnipotency?
Uh its called the Hypostatic Union.

>>82332236
You dropped omnibenevolence from the equation, it shouldn't just be able to satisfy my ideal of existence, it should be able to simultaneous satisfy everyone's ideal vision of existence.

>>82331189
Very reasonable statement to make, if we were talking about the concepts of vanity and jealosy etc in human terms.

When talking about God however it is much different. God himself is the law of the universe as well as the supreme being. He is so good it would actually be evil of God to not demand worship for himself.

God's 'selfishness' is one of his virtues, because without it mankind would be damned.

>>82332277

see >>82332297

Christ is a single person possessing two natures, one Divine and one human. His Divinity isn't watered down or muddled through its unison with the humane. He is both fully God and fully man. A perfect man, and likely preternaturally gifted, but not in this nature alone quasi divine.

>>82332277
>As long as they are an avatar of God resulting from a miracle birth and many obviously manipulated circumstances.

What part of the 10 commandments are impossible to follow?

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>mfw 90% of fucking Protestant, Baptist, and Evangelical cucks have no idea what happens when you die and instead choose to believe in heresies

>>82332243
It wasn't good enough to end worldwide persecutions, though, so it is laughable that an omnibenevolent being would allow all that insufferable sacrifice to be in vain.

>>82332348
>He is both fully God and fully man
This is widely, widely debated and not theological fact by any means

>>82332323
>it shouldn't just be able to satisfy my ideal of existence, it should be able to simultaneous satisfy everyone's ideal vision of existence.

That sounds like something an Omnipotent being can do.

>>82332348
see
>>82331762

>>82332384
It doesn't sound like something that is realistic, though.

>>82332088

>Jesus didn't fail the Temptation

Except he did. Not only that, he failed repeatedly.

>>82330317
>>82330446
>>82330486
So god is essentially a tripfagging moderator

>>82332158
>Yes, due to a random environmental fluctuations and limited resources and it exists in antithesis to the possibility of an all powerful omnibenevolent creator being.


How?

No seriously Mr. Science. How did pain receptors get created?

>>82332368
I was referring to the Roman (and other pagan) persecution of Christianity. IN other words, the notion that the early leaders of christianity were merely fleecing their followers which is essential the gist of this >>82332120 statement hardly rings rue when said leaders were generally the ones being matyred. Material joy is not enjoyed by the dead. Similarly with the apostles.

>so it is laughable that an omnibenevolent being would allow all that insufferable sacrifice to be in vain.

If you are the same anon who was discussing the beatitude you are contradicting yourself. God placing His emphasis on people reaching Heaven for infinite joy opposed to indulging the temporal desires of men on earth would the pain is worthwhile if it spreads this understanding to the people .The worldwide church built on the bodies of mayrters is testament to it not being a waste.

>>82332349
Honoring one omnipotent, omniscience, omnipresent, omnibenevolent god since its impossible to understand let alone honor the true nature of something that is a logical impossibility.

>>82332380
No it isn't. Not by any form of orthodox christainty, which was the dominate christian outlook for the majority of its lifespan. Moreover, the vast majority of protestant sects ascribe to it.

>>82332421
I don't think you understand how Omnipotence works.

>>82329917
Really spurred those neurons.

>>82332393
See what? A false assertion. The Incarnation and subsequent Passion was undeniably voluntary. How can you compel God to do something against His Will?

>>82332459
>Honoring one omnipotent, omniscience, omnipresent, omnibenevolent god since its impossible to understand let alone honor the true nature of something that is a logical impossibility.

If you can understand each one of those concepts, how is it impossible?

>>82332452
Through random fluctuations in an environment with limited resources like I said since it is very energy intensive to try to restore a limb.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_nervous_systems

>>82332609
If pain has a positive connotation, why would an omnibenevolent being be against it?

>>82332455
That might be true if people weren't still being martyred and persecuted, it is in vain because not much has changed about the human condition.

>>82332487
It doesn't work in reality, that is the problem with claiming it exists.

>>82332524
Those concepts don't reflect the reality of the natural universe and the human condition.

>>82332698
What part of "the poor will always be with you" didn't you get? The final eradication of all pain is God's role, not ours. We can help, but to assume we can create a world completely without pain is to usurp the action that only God can accomplish.

>>82332708
So a being that is capable of creating anything, is incapable of creating a reality where you can't understand what an omnipotent being is?

>>82332659
Its is only a positive that came about with a lot of trial and error given an overwhelmingly negative limited condition.

>>82332759
>Those concepts don't reflect the reality of the natural universe and the human condition.
>Universe

You're still thinking small.

I got excited when the Multiverse theory got more leverage.

>>82332767
Your god should have been able to accomplish that from the beginning because it isn't suppose to be limited to trial and error it is suppose to be all good all powerful and all knowing.

>>82332792
>trial and error

Don't use those words. According to you, nobody was trying to do anything.

>>82332768
It wouldn't be simultaneously omnibenevolent in that case because it would be withholding goodness.

Daily reminder:
Arguing with cultural christians is pointless.
They know christianity is wrong they just don't care

>>82332826
Even the cells and genes of lesser organisms were trying to avoid decay and maintain stability.

>>82332848
An omnipotent being is incapable of withholding goodness?

>>82332814
And how many score will rush headlong into damnation if He did? Poverty is considered not merely a virtue because God sympathizes with the pain of His creations, but because poverty sickness and pain force us to need Him. It is a death nail for pride, which is the ultimate sin. The poor are lucky because in life they learn this truth, and are forced to turn to God for aid, instead of merely choosing it idly. The real world is testament to this, the nations and people of the world who experience that most suffering are by far more concurred with God then the lucky who live lives of relative leisure and pleasure. The eradication of pride is more important to God then the eradication of earthy pain, because earthy pain is temporary, but pride is a mindset that can lead to eternal pain. The fact that human beings, in their foolishness, incline themselves to pride when fat, happy, and carefree is our fault not His.

>>82332908
Are you some kind of control freak, why is power the only part of the god equation you care about, like I said, an omnibenevolent being is incapable of allowing harm and ignorance.

>>82331420
You know that's literally what Jesus did right?

>>82332918
>the ultimate sin
Its not even a commandment in fact, by those laws, you are suppose to give pride to your parents.

You must not be this guy >>82331267 or you don't care to be consistent.

Haiti suffers more than most countries and they are full on voodoo priests for the most part.

>>82332944
Stop acting stupid.

You know exactly what Omnipotence means.

I never made any indication that it's the only part I care about, it's the only part you're choosing to deny.

>>82332997
To his followers.

>>82333011
>You must not be this guy >>82331267 or you don't care to be consistent.
I'm not
>Its not even a commandment in fact, by those laws, you are suppose to give pride to your parents.
Its literally the first one, Pride is placing yourself above God. Your needs, wants, and glory come first.
>you are suppose to give pride to your parents.
honor is not the same as the sin of pride.
>Haiti suffers more than most countries and they are full on voodoo priests for the most part.
Hilarious because they are nominally catholic. Talking more about atheism vs theism, the fragrant disbelief of God is surely worse then merely misunderstanding him, but whatever.

>>82330142
>It's not a particularly effective strategy, as people want the Church to change to suit their lifestyle, instead of the other way around.
It should be that way.

>>82333031
I keep denying that an omnipotent being can be responsible for this world while being simultaneously omnibenevolent, though.

>>82333011
>Haiti suffers more than most countries and they are full on voodoo priests for the most part.

We can thank Hillary for intercepting all that charity money.

>>82333086
I don't see how you get pride from the first commandment, its not about one's relationship with oneself its about other deities and idolatry.

>>82333219
>"You shall not have any Gods before me"

wtf do you think the ultimate Idolatry is, but saying you are God? Again, if you say that your only obligation is to your own desires or glory, you are saying you are God. You are directing the obligation you have to God to yourself. Its not that difficult of a concept to understand, and like one thats been outlined for centuries.

>>82329344
>movie denies the existence of humanity

>>82333290
If your god wasn't treating you like a little version of himself, why would all the commandments be directed at you?

>>82333596
What does this question even mean?

Maybe all religions try is to show us how we can be good people. Maybe believing in a magic sky man is not really needed to be compassionate or kind.

>>82333689
Value without an objective source is relative. No system would be any more good then another, thinking otherwise would be illusory. Your shitty materialism would be no more good then some bone throwing shaman. Biological altruism only extends to the point in which my reproductive potential isn't being compromised.

>>82333619
Your god obviously wants you to have pride in yourself because it is giving you rules by which to feel satisfaction in your behavior, it isn't setting up ecumenical and theological hierarchies like a constitution does with the lawmaking process, it is giving you individual tools to behave in a satisfactory manner.

>>82333751
>god
>an objective source

>>82333756
>Your god obviously wants you to have pride in yourself because it is giving you rules by which to feel satisfaction in your behavior,
Literally what you are trying to avoid. The concept of Spiritual Pride is what drove Christ to anger more often then not.

>>82333777
Do you mean
>the bible isn't objective

or

>By His nature as the author of good His Will wouldn't inherently be the source of morality.

The former is debatable the later is not. He is the objective.

>>82333779
No this person is avoiding pride.
>>82332918

>>82333825
Which god is, though?
Not to mention the biblical god is rather inconsistent with his rules and breaks them himself often enough.

>>82333849
Fuck off edgy athet sto di fuciinh nihilistic degenerate fuckwit

>>82333849
Are you alright?

>>82333847
What are you talking about. Feeling self-satified for your own morality is pride. Again, you are usurping God's role, in this case, as the author of goodness. To say that you can create goodness on your own, without God, the source of goodness, assistance, you are claiming to can conjure it up out of nothing, you claim divinity.

All good deeds are done in cooperation with God, you accomplish them from love, which is divinely inspired, and talents, which are given by God. You ought feel humble then, when doing something good, because you understand it is only though God's assistance that you are accomplishing these. To feel pride at what a good person you are is toxic.

>>82333982
Then there was no point in bringing up the Beatitudes as a relief for suffering because you will never feel satisfied as you are only set up to feel ashamed.

>>82334037
How? The beatitudes are a promise. You should feel comfort in trusting in them, but not a sense of pride at what a martyr you are. Alleviating hurt pride is hardly the same as alleviating hopelessness.

/tv/ - Theology

Don't stop, I'm enjoying it

>>82334086
They are a lie if you can never be satisfied, but your views on pride aren't even cannon you pulled it from the seven deadly sins anyway.

>>82334487
>They are a lie if you can never be satisfied
In what way? If you don't believe or trust God, obviously, but assuming the two how not?

>but your views on pride aren't even cannon you pulled it from the seven deadly sins anyway.

Do you, in complete honestly, believe that I alone came up with the notion that pride is the worst sin, or the one from which all others are derived? Its been Christian understanding for over a thousand years,

>>82334564
In the way that it is the ultimate sin.

No, I am saying it is non cannon and I explicitly gave you the source you got it from, but your declaration that it is the ultimate sin is not common.

>>82334676
From the catholic encyclopedia

"Pride is the excessive love of one's own excellence. It is ordinarily accounted one of the seven capital sins. St. Thomas, however, endorsing the appreciation of St. Gregory, considers it the QUEEN of all vices, and puts vainglory in its place as one of the deadly sins. In giving it this pre-eminence he takes it in a most formal and complete signification. He understands it to be that frame of mind in which a man, through the love of his own worth, aims to withdraw himself from subjection to Almighty God, and sets at naught the commands of superiors. It is a species of contempt of God and of those who bear his commission. Regarded in this way, it is of course mortal sin of a most heinous sort. Indeed St. Thomas rates it in this sense as one of the blackest of sins. By it the creature refuses to stay within his essential orbit; he turns his back upon God, not through weakness or ignorance, but solely because in his self-exaltation he is minded not to submit. His attitude has something Satanic in it, and is probably not often verified in human beings. "

and again

>" Now man was so appointed in the state of innocence, that there was no rebellion of the flesh against the spirit. Wherefore it was not possible for the first inordinateness in the human appetite to result from his coveting a sensible good, to which the concupiscence of the flesh tends against the order of reason. It remains therefore that the first inordinateness of the human appetite resulted from his coveting inordinately some spiritual good. Now he would not have coveted it inordinately, by desiring it according to his measure as established by the Divine rule. Hence it follows that man's first sin consisted in his coveting some spiritual good above his measure: and this pertains to pride. Therefore it is evident that man's first sin was pride."

>>82334822
So its okay to put St. Thomas's word above your god's as long as it isn't your own original thoughts?

>>82334945
You are debating semantics at this point. I've already addressed how pride is referenced within the 10 commandments. They're are scores of references to pride being not a great idea in the bible. Its literally been the consistent view, one held, by the way, not merely by orthodox christians but the vas majority of protestants as well, that pride is the initial cause of sin, that all sins find their source in this initial turning away from God, for centuries of christian thought. If you don't believe me fine, but it doesn't change the aforementioned.

>>82329917
>Characters in a movie deny the existence of a God.
>Said characters were only created in the first place because of studio meddling instead of being the director's original vision
So deep

>>82329344
Why is Jonathan Pryce dressed like a Pope?

>>82335071
No you are rewording the commandments to fit your agenda because of your pride.

>>82335193
Right.

>>82329344
That Argentinian marxist doesn't believe in any God anyway.