>anarcho-capitalism doesn't wo-

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>literal fantasy world

>>82310919
but they have a king

>>82310919
The Shire had an elected mayor as well as government services though.

>>82310919
>anarcho-capitalism
oxymoron.

>>82311049

you're a fucking retard

>>82310919
>I've never read the books but feel like /pol/posting

But what was the shire's tax policy?

>>82311078

>no state to impose contract law
>possible to work

hey look guys, it's retarded

>>82310919

explain like I'm 10

>>82310919
You still need someone to enforce contracts. I'd be ok with a government whose only role is to enforce contracts.

The shire was also ruled by an aristocratic, capitalist elite. merry, pippen, and frodo were all members of the ruling families; the brandybucks and tooks. Merry even became ruler of the shire for a long time i think. The brandybucks and tooks also basically had a monopoly of all commerce and government in the shire.

>>82311812
Merry took over as master of Buckland and Sam was elected mayor of the Shire. But yeah, pretty much.

Literally read the prologue of LotR and get proven wrong.

>>82311923
The master of buckland basically is the ruler of the shire. And the Brandybucks and Tooks, and to a lesser extend the Baggins, basically were all the same family by the time of lotr.

>>82311996
Don't forget that Pippin was made Thain as well.

>>82311657
There's still sort of a "state" that enforces the contract laws, instead it's a company that you voluntary chose to be a client of.The big difference is you can live on a plot of land and choose which "state" you want to belong to out of the available ones in your neighborhood.

>>82310919
except it totally failed by the end of the third book

>>82311812
Sam is like the only named important character who is not from a noble and rich family

>>82311661
people won't do business with someone who has a reputation for not honouring their contacts.

>>82311996
>who is the Mayor of Michael Delving?

>>82310919
>>82310951
thread over

>>82310919
>gets overrun by barbarians that aren't anarcho-capitalists.

>>82311996
The Thain was the leader of the Shire. I think Buckland was meant to be something like a different County. Though the Tooks and Brandybucks seem so interbred I doubt it really mattered.

Only cuz Hobbits are genetically engineered beings predisposed to friendly cooperation.

Politics are an expression of group behaviour

>>82311006
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>>82311015
The mayor and shiriffs didn't even do anything tho. Literally just honorary positions.

What's the difference between Anarchism and Anarcho-Capitalism?

>>82312190
>totally failed by the 3rd book
>That was sarumans fault
>He brought in outside help to intentionally fuck it up
>Shire existed in peace for thousands of years
>It took a powerful wizard with an army to destabilize it

>>82313860
I dont know why I used so many meme arrows

>>82313710
Nothing. Capitalism happens naturally

>>82310919
Anything can work as long as there aren't too many people involved. More people means more differences and conflict between one another.

>>82313925
>Capitalism happens naturally

Ever opened a history book?

>>82310919
AYO HOL UP

SO YOU BE SAYIN

WE WUZ HOBBITS N SHEIT?

>>82313860
>>Shire existed in peace for thousands of years

Not really....the shire lived in relative peace for around the time of the hobbit and lotr, but it had it's fair share of warfare.

People are so fucking attached to meaningless labels like "anarcho-".

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>>82312093
>state company buys up all the land
>charges you rent (tax) to live on it
>sets laws on its land
>wtf

anarcho crapitalism is a joke

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>>82310951
FPBP

>>82313026

The tooks and Brandybucks were basically the same family at the time of lotr, and all the important members even lived in the same house, brandy hall, including merry and pippin.

Frodo even lived in brandy hall for a long time, and buckland for most of his childhood. This is why it was kind of a shock that Bilbo took Frodo in, because even though they had the same name, they were actually very distantly related. If you look at all the family trees, both merry and pippin were more closely related to Bilbo. Lobelia baggins, briefly appearing in the movies, was Bilbo's closest relative and was considered his next of kin, so it was really a shocker that Bilbo made Frodo his heir. This is why she was so pissy with him. Many hobbits in the shire actually disliked Frodo because of this, and because of the fact that they considered to be basically a brandybuck from buckland rather than a shire hobbit.

Just shitting out my lotr knowledge for no reason other than I'm fucked up on sleeping medication.

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>"My political opinions lean more and more to Anarchy (philosophically understood, meaning the abolition of control not whiskered men with bombs) — or to ‘unconstitutional’ Monarchy. I would arrest anybody who uses the word State (in any sense other than the inaminate real of England and its inhabitants, a thing that has neither power, rights nor mind); and after a chance of recantation, execute them if they remained obstinate!"

Edgy as fuck. Tolkien would probably post Pinochet and "physical removal" memes on /pol/

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>>82314279
>tooks and Brandybucks were basically the same family at the time of lotr, and all the important members even lived in the same house, brandy hall, including merry and pippin

They weren't that united. The Tooks still lived in Tuckborough while the Brandybucks lived pretty much at the opposite end of the Shire. But Hobbits seem to be pretty pro-cousin marriage anyway and Brandybucks and Tooks being the the rich aristocracy they probably intermarry more than most.

Ancap autism only works among peaceful tribal people. It will never work among """civilized""" people who only dream of materialism and wealth, i.e. 95% of all Americans and 99% of ancapfags

>>82311006
Anarcho-monarchism.

>>82315096
>anarchy
>monarchy
Literal opposites.

>>82310919
they have an army of genetic superior man of the north secretly protrecting them and rich people rule over poor people.
i dont know thats anarcho capitalism.
the more you know

>>82310951
kek

>>82311049
>no leaders lol
>oh wait the arms dealers have all the money and hired guns
>welp I guess we have leaders now

you're a delusional fucking moron no better than a filthy communist

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>>82310951

>>82315096

>american education

>>82315160
Not necessarily, as long as the monarch doesn't have the apparatus to enforce his will. There have been examples of anarchies developing within the legal framework of monarchies, such as medieval Frisia and Iceland, and some peasant areas of the Holy Roman Empire such as Dithmarschen.

The difference between these and the Shire, is that without someone to resolve disputes, these tended to degenerate into blood feuds until everyone was tired and someone invited a monarch so they could stop killing each other.

>>82315160
>Grant me a king whose chief interest in life is stamps, railways, or race-horses; and who has the power to sack his Vizier (or whatever you dare call him) if he does not like the cut of his trousers. And so on down the line. But, of course, the fatal weakness of all that—after all only the fatal weakness of all good natural things in a bad corrupt unnatural world—is that it works and has only worked when all the world is messing along in the same good old inefficient human way . . . . There is only one bright spot and that is the growing habit of disgruntled men of dynamiting factories and power-stations; I hope that, encouraged now as ‘patriotism’, may remain a habit! But it won’t do any good, if it is not universal.
That's the continuation of this >>82314952


I assume Tolkein's somewhat confusing political views come from a dislike of governments, a fondness for innocent Merry old England, and pure English patriotism

>>82310919
>>82310951
fucking destroyed

>>82310919
>anarcho-capitalism
>no toll on bridge

>>82310951
literally blown the fuck out

>>82311657
Thats where the baggins money came from (before biblo's adventure). Bungo was a money lender, as well as a notary/officiant/mediator of contracts drawn up between two parties.

>>82314016
>but it had it's fair share of warfare.
No it didn't. One particularly cold winter had the rivers freeze and a tiny invasion of goblins happened, and they got their shit pushed in by bullroarer took.
Otherwise all they had to deal with were an occasional wolf.
Tom Bombadil acted as a guardian in the old forest, the elves kept the land safe as it was on the road to the grey havens, and gandalf kept an eye out.
Prior to that the kingdom of arnor protected it and trouble never found the shire.

>>82315834
Literally replying to yourself.

>>82315012
>But Hobbits seem to be pretty pro-cousin marriage
They loved genealogy, and its a small rural area. You probably had to go out of your way to find someone who wasn't related to you in some way.

>>82310919
>>82310951
Put me in the screecap

>>82315902
What's the source for that?

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>Nationalist Capitalism doesn't wor-

As long as Galadriel riverdances everything will work

>>82311657
there doesn't need to be a state in order for me to work on your farm, there doesn't even need to be a contract.

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Is this a joke? The shire was totally an agrarian pre-capitalistic society.

>>82316334
The hobbit. Its literally one sentence in the first chapter introducing Bilbo. Really easy to miss.

>>82311006
No, the Shire only has a mayor.

Why didn't they just let the orcs peacefully assimilate into human and elf society? Seems a bit racist to just proclaim an entire group of people 'evil' like that.

>>82313113
exactly. import some orcs (or hell, even just some greedy humans or dwarves) and watch them fuck everything up.

if OP is sincerely using the Shire as an example of a flourishing anarcho-capatlist society, he is also advocating for a white ethnostate

>>82317959
The shire was founded as a hobbit colony in land granted to them by the king of Arnor.
Even though the throne had been empty for half an age they still recognized that they were merely a fiefdom.
Aragorn officially granted them autonomy.

>>82310919

The Shire is anarcho-communist. Get fucked.

Porkies like the Brandybucks and Meridicks and Bagginses need to be HANGED.

>>82318105
>Seems a bit racist to just proclaim an entire group of people 'evil' like that.
Unless its a race of people created by satan by corrupting and twisting living beings.

>>82312190

Sam is the HERO OF THE PEOPLE.

>>82310919
If it works then where are they now?

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>>82310951

>>82310919
>not seeing that the Shire is closer to the political ideology of Subsidiarity, a Catholic focused Third Way between Socialism and Capitalism, that Tolkein - being a Catholic - liked
>not understanding that the Shire works becasue the Hobbits are what humans would be if we were truly acting in a Christ like manner
/tv/ is so fucking pleb sometimes.

>>82317880
Lol why lie? Anyway, Bilbo's father was wealthy because he married a prominent Brandybuck.

>>82318399
Sorry, he married a Took.

>>82310951
Damn boi

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