>CapeKino doesn't exi...

>>82253939
/DChad/ general

Get itn

Typical hollywood whitewashing

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Yeah this thread is pretty much shit

>>82254075
*le reddit maymay*

>>82254041
>>82253939
literally nobody cares.


And i really mean LITERALLY NOBODY cares anon

DC is so dead is not even funny.

>>82254818
Wow what video game is this

>>82254874
Oscar Superiority 3

The single most Capekino screen if the screen in the bane movie where batman literally flys a bomb out into the ocean because its just like the old movies/comics however its presented in a way that it fits and doesnt come of as a gimmick

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>>82253939
I know why americucks so vitriolic about this movie....coz Zack is a christian scientist

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>>82254874
Lego Batman

>>82254818
>>82254874
Every time that webm is posted, the very next reply to it is "Wow what video game is this"

Definitely shills.

>"It's too dangerous to just assume this alien demigod will stay good forever, someone has to do something to stop it!"
>"Wait, it has a mother, likes said mother and our mothers have the same first name? This changes everything"
What did Batman mean by this?

>>82253939
>Kino
Yeah, it's time to let this shit go.

>>82254041

literally kino

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>>82254983
No shit, here have some OC

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>>82254983
It's a meme anon. Are you new?

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WTF is fgoing on with thuis faggggot board i cant post a new thread

>>82254041
this movie almost had more depth than naruto

>>82254991
Superman was painted as a god.
Batman thought he was just an alien that could take over the world.
Superman could never just admit he grew up here on Earth this whole time with his corn chucking parents because someone might hurt them.
When Batman finally finds out this information he is surprised. As he would be.

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i want to seen this movie one more times

>>82255302
He is still a powerful alien that could destroy cities. Nothing changed.

i wonder when this DC delusion will end

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>>82254168
>those eyes
Spooky

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>>82255394
watch the movie before u ride the hate-wagon ameriturd

>>82253939
It's funny to me how all WB had to do to make the DCCU a money printing machine was put their animated universe people in charge from the beginning.

Instead they chose Zack Snyder and David S Goyer. And things went as they will with such people in charge of creative process.

>>82255529
David Goyer must be everyones coke dealer at WB to be getting all these gigs. He sucks

>>82255360
Man what if Batman had Supermans powers, he would totally fuck up every one of Superman's enemies since he actually knows how to fight unlike Superman.

>>82254958

I've just realised that the angle of this makes no goddamn sense. Batman is standing somewhere to Doomsday's left, aiming in the wrong direction.

>>82255529
>Feed me the same regurgitated shit senpai

The simple mind of a shill

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>>82254954
I really am curious about his personal beliefs. There are hints of Gnosticism in his choices of themes.

>>82254041
damn...

>>82255163
Just make sure you reply to it yourself. That seems to "authenticate" it.

>>82254075
This image just kills every thread. It's amazing how fast kino posting got phased out.

>>82256070
that shit 404ing

>>82255825
I love this whole veteran Batman/neophyte Superman thing. Right now, Clark's raw strength, speed, and power, but close to zero finesse. I'm interested if that will change as he becomes more experienced.

>>82256118
Try to quick-reply it. If anyone else replies first, it 404s, or at least that's the way I understand it.

>>82256107
>kills every thread
>this thread got 35 more replies after it was posted
Also this >>82255015

>>82254585
You cared enough to comment. Fuckin loser

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>implying something has kino-level substance because REFERENCE TO A COMIC / CARTOON I KNOW

VERY COOL XD

>>82253939
>>82254041
im crying now

>>82254041
What did superman coming back to life mean?

>>82256107
Gotta stay ahead of the redditors.

>>82256226
If I could have more Batman Daredevil Frank Miller references and less whatever it is that Star Wars does by ripping off previous Star Wars movies that'd be great

>>82254041
>we will never have this level of artistic ambition in a big budget movie ever again because of ADHD plebs and corrupt critics
JDIMSA

>>82256224
>getting triggered
t. actual loser

>>82255768
Goyer doesn't suck. At worse, he's uneven. He's the same guy who gave us Blade, Dark City, Batman Begins, and The Dark Knight. Just because you don't personally like MoS or BvS doesn't make him suck. In fact, there's a very real possibility that you're just a fanboy.

Food for thought.

>>82256348
>He's the same guy who gave us Blade, Dark City, Batman Begins, and The Dark Knight

Yeah, Blade was a really stupid movie that was fine and enjoyable because Wesley Snipes was in it. The Batman movies were good entirely because of Jonathon and Christopher Nolan. It's easy to see what happens when Goyer gets substantial creative control over anything and compare with when he's just subject to other writers being voices of reason. The dude should never be let near a script.

>>82256269
The hope still lives.

On a deeper level, though, it's going to be interesting to see the route he takes to sidestep godhood. Worship doesn't affect Superman, but that won't be true of the people seeking to use him as a pawn.

I think the problem with the current DC movies is that it's an alternate take on these characters when people want the classic characters. It might have worked if we'd just finished years of a DC cinematic universe with all the classic heroes and wanted something different, but we hadn't. I mean, I look at some of the complaints that these films get and a lot of them are things like "Batman wouldn't act that way" or "Superman wouldn't act that way" when people need to realize that this is a different take on fictional characters.

However, I think if you can accept the current DC cinematic universe for what it is rather than what you may have expected or wanted, I think you'll find that these movies are actually really quite good. Otherwise, if this still isn't something you want, if you want something more lighthearted, there's always the Marvel movies, you can always watch those movies and there's really nothing wrong with that.

>>82256381
You capeshit fags are the worst holy shit
>Birth of a new hope
>Oh and that other hope still lives
It was literally the most cliche way to show there's a sequel coming.

>>82256301

I don't even think critics are corrupt. I think it's that we live in a time were critics are mostly Gen X ADHD plebs.

>>82256411
Alternate take really isn't the issue. Nolan gave an alternate take and they'll probably be remembered as the best of the genre and they basically restarted cinematic capeshit after it had sort of stalled outside of X-Men.

The problem is that their alternate take is fucking incompetent.

>>82256374
Nolan co-wrote MoS with him, too. If you don't like his take on Superman,that's fine. I do, and I'm not alone. They've managed to incorporate more concretely some of the themes that have always hovered around Superman, and to reinvigorate some that had fallen by the wayside.

>>82256448
You're too cynical to be any older than 25.

>>82256482
>The problem is that their alternate take is fucking incompetent.
How so?

>>82254818

haha oh fuck, i honestly forgot how bad this was

>>82256494
Writer credit is virtually meaningless. Nolan also got producer credit but the two were only in as vague attachments to MoS. Hence why even though it's the strongest of the DCCU easily it's still a bad narrative.

>>82256521
What are you doing next Tuesday? I'll start writing up the pastebin now and hopefully I can bring everything together by then.

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>>82253939
What did they mean by this?

>>82256658
>it's still a bad narrative.

What a fucking copout criticism. You're a bad narrative.

>>82254991
>>82255302
literally havent watched it but batman assumed he was some immortal demigod alien that just arrived on earth and started "helping" people to its own gain. finding out that he had a mother means he LIVED as a human and grew up here AS a human regardless of his current powers. it shows his humanity.

>>82253939
COLONIZED

>>82255465

When they get a couple hits. This board is simply contrarian to the max so we'll be forced to hate it then

>>82256685
Sorry but that's a valid criticism actually. If a movie has a bad narrative then it's valid to criticize it on those grounds. There's also bad acting and bad directing.

>>82256730
>it's bad because I say so
At last I truly see

>>82256703
There's more to it than that. Deep down Bruce knows he's in the wrong and going after one of the good guys. He's at war with his own obsession with vengeance. He wins.

>>82256730
You wouldn't recognize a compelling narrative unless a character turned to the camera and spoke it right to the audience.

>>82256743
>zippity doo wop a doo
Whoa I can greentext things no-one said too.

>>82256703
He's reminded of the killing of his own parents, it's shown that the last words his fathers say it's "martha".

Superman doesn't say "me mum" because for all he knows Batman is a mentally ill vigilante who could perfectly go after his mother after killing him, so he says her name instead so his vigilante instintcs prevail over the murderous ones and gets him to try to save her. After he kills him too, Sup was sure he was going to die. The actual shit part of that scene is Lois conveniently showing up and explaining the whole thing, but well, you can't make tumblr memes about that right?

>>82256806
After re-watching that scene several times, I'm not entirely convinced Bruce wasn't just hearing what he needed to hear.

>>82256672
Cunnybot got a job at Warner Bros.

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>>82253939
>>82254041
D R O P P E D
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>>82254818
Someone needs to edit this with his hair falling off when he is thrown, and put Evan's face on Doomsday

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Will all of his strengths/none of his weaknesses, why not just have Diana use the spear?

>>82257007
*With

>>82257007
Because Doomsday wouldn't stay put unless someone hold him

>>82256952
Helllo dropped poster
Keep up the good work

>>82257007
Because you don't hand off your problems for someone else to risk their life solving. He also had no way of knowing if she'd be any less at-risk than he was. She wouldn't have been, by the way, so he made the right move trusting his instincts.

>>82254168

What is that from?

>>82257007
Just one of many things that Goyer didn't really think of and Terrio didn't give a fuck about because he just got brought on for a paycheck with Ben.

>>82257096

ultimate edition, one of the cut scenes from batmans raid on lex corp

>>82257115

Thanks bruh.

>>82257039
. . . Bruce? Not to mention they emphasized him pulling a rope to exercise earlier? Would've made sense for him to hold the lasso

>>82257108
Yeah, because asking someone else to risk their life is a totally Superman thing to do, right?

>>82257076
You're right man. She's only blocked/eaten every attack from the "monster from my world". No way he could've known

>>82257143
See >>82257140.

>>82257140
Just like killing people, right senpai? :^)

>>82257133
Diana had the lasso and Batman would've been killed in seconds if he gets near Doomsday

>>82257133

Now I'm imagining Batman trying to rodeo Doomsday and just getting ignored and thrown around like a ragdoll while grimly shouting something about how his parents taught him this is what helping looks like, lying dead in the gutter.

>>82257160
And the lasso's only unbreakable, it wouldn't grant Bruce the strength to actually dig in and immobilize him like Diana did.

>>82257160
>>82257173
>title character is useless in final climax of movie

Wow it's almost like . . the movie wasn't written well

>>82257158
>I've Never Read a Comic Book: the Post.

>it's a marvelcucks try to nitpick BvS and completely embarrass themselves in the process episode
This shit got so stale after the third season

>>82257182
You're forgetting the kryptonite gas, she could hardly hold him either before that

>>82257140
Yeah, because Superman is not retarded, he's super intelligent. Thus he would reckon that since Wonder Woman is also apparently impervious to everything and rishing her life alongside him it'd make sense for him to restrain Doomsday and Wonder Woman, who is demonstrating proficiency with weaponry at that very moment, to use Batman's inexplicably stupid krypto-spear to stab Doomsday.

But instead, as with many things in BvS, it's just a "turn your brain off bro!" moment that could have been easily solved by any writer that gave two shits and half a thought.

Also
>talking about "Superman" thing to do in regards to Snyderverse Superman

>>82257196
He's not, he shoots the kryptonite gas thus making it possible for Clark to kill Doomsday

>>82253939
That's not the right frame for the last pic reeeeeeeeeeeeee

>>82257217
That's true, but if she was still struggling after the gas, Bruce would have had zero chance holding him still.

>>82257196
If he didn't use the Kyrptonite Grenade then Doomsday would've evolved into its next form and killed them all right there. Make sure to reread this post 3 times slowly. Poor fella. :)

i tried to watch watchmen because i really liked the book.

shit i dropped it in 40 minutes, and there was more than 2 hours of this crap.
really really stupidiest thing i've ever watched ever. how could snyder make watchmen movie worse than plastic marvel capeshits?

>>82257224
>He's not, he shoots the kryptonite gas thus making it possible for Clark to kill Doomsday
Clark was using a kryptonite spear. The spear would have killed him anyway, the gas was irrelevant.

>>82257205
I'm actually a DC fan, the movie just doesn't make any fucking sense lol

>black girl in cartoon
>white girl in movie
Is Snyder /ourguy/?

>>82257223
So you want Diana to release the temporarily weakened Doomsday, take the spear, give the lasso to Superman, get Superman to to try to tie Doomsday again after he regained his strength and hope Batman still has more krypto gas to weaken Doomsday again and then kill him with the spear?

lmao

>>82257266
Without Batman, Doomsday would've exploded into its next form and be fully mobile.

>>82256226
>Posting Reddit Letter Media
>Thinks anything he posts matters

>>82257292
There's any number of possibilities anon, maybe you and Goyer just lack creativity :^)

>>82257305
Wondie was keeping him immobile, not that mobility matters since the spear invalidates that.

>>82257007
why did they just leave the spear behind in the ruins it would seem like a pretty important item you wouldn't want to just forget about

>>82257292
or OR, and pay attention here, one of the faster than a speeding bullet heroes could THROW the SPEAR

>>82257339
When did Superman learn to throw spears?

or OR, when has he ever been able to throw things faster than he can fly?

>>82256482
People who think Nolan has any talent at all are the biggest plebs on this entire site.

>>82257358
When has he been able to use the full capacity of his powers while exposed to kryptonite pal?

>>82257339
>>82257339
The same spear made of the material that render him almost powerless, making him fly like a retard and barely being able to stab the guy in the movie?

Great idea man. They could have had a dance off too

>>82257292
It's almost like they hadn't had a chance to practice any sort of strategies and were just winging it. I'd almost go so far to expect someone any moment now to post how they could have fixed all the problems by having it be revealed in a "tweets" that the three of them had known each other since Clark's debut and that it had all been a clever ruse to smoke out Lex as a bad guy. This is what Disney has brainwashed people into thinking good storytelling looks like.

>>82257358
>When did Superman learn to throw spears?

This, Wondie can throw spears so she should have done it while Supes and Batman stood safely off to the side.

>>82256776
He thinks Nolan is a good director, so, yeah, you're right. Just look at the way people worship the dark night and logan. What they really want is brain dead capeshit masquerading as art.

>>82257376
Of course! Carrying it and flying w it and having prolonged exposure/weakening yourself so that you can die from getting stabbed makes much more sense, what was I thinking?

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>>82257289
You know it

>>82257410
>makes much more sense
Than throwing it ten feet away because you barely had any strength left? Damn right it does

>>82257368
I do think he's talented. I don't think Memento and The Prestige were flukes. I just think he got lazy or bored with he projects he was landing. Even Interstellar has some powerful moments, but they're just a little too obfuscated by the intrusion of other themes to carry the whole film.

>>82257399
Are you pretending Doomsday isn't an explosive kyrptonian monster shown to be constantly violently evolving? Instead of talking in circles for 20 more posts you should rewatch the 2-5 minute fight. It doesn't seem you'll be convinced any other way unless you watch how it was played out with your own eyeballs. Without all 3 of them the volatile Doomsday would've become unstoppable. You can keep playing this game where you kick a can up the street but it's disingenuous of you.

>>82257410
He barely had the strength to drive the spear through with leverage. What makes you think he'd stand a chance just throwing it?

>>82257443
>barely had any strength left
>flies

kek

Your lengthy baiting has mad this thread for me, what time is it for you right now? You've been trying to hook every anon in this thread and it's pretty much worked.

>>82257443
Yeah bruh Doomdsay is a deer. Just throw your spear at him he'll make sure to open up his heart to you.

>>82257514
>gets BTFO
>kek I w-win
See you next time, anon. This was fun

>>82254041
this is so good. its a shame that plebs didnt get it during the release and stills is.

>>82257258
Why are you fucking posting? It's literally a direct adaptation

>>82257508
>Are you pretending Doomsday isn't an explosive kyrptonian monster shown to be constantly violently evolving?
And the spear is his off button like for Superman so that's irrelevant isn't it?

Od course this is all silly anyhow since it was pure narative incompetence to have Doomsdau in the movie at all so really Superman using the spear is just layers of stupidity and writing failures tacked on top of eachother on and on and on over the whole movie. It's really actually extremely deep and intricate in how it weaves its ineptitude.

>>82257543
You don't have to bait me I'm not anon, I'm just a fellow ruseman admiring effective handywork.

>>82254168
>>82257115
Where from exactly time wise? I can't find it.

SOMEONE EXPLAIN THE GLASS OF PISS SCENE FOR FUCKS SAKE

What was in the glass?
Why did the senator react to it that way?
What was its significance?

>>82257561
>And the spear is his off button like for Superman
Not completely, Superman can fly carrying it and Doomsday is more powerful or stick to more pleb friendly franchises. You should pay attention

>>82257618
>*You should pay attention or stick to more pleb friendly franchises
heh

>>82254168
The Batman film needs more of this shit

>all these not muh posts from marvel pajeets
time and time again you've been BTFO to the point of no recovery what compels you shills to keep going?

>>82257616
That was most likely actual tea. The label was one last "fuck you" to Finch before she died. It goes well with all the other hints he dropped on her right before she went into the courtroom.

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>137 posts
>56 posters

lel, this is advanced shitposting. I'd say it's autistic dedication to the bit but I'm reading it all so I guess it puts me on the spectrum too and means it's good comedy.

There was no superman in that movie, just dr.manhattan standing around not feeling anything after an entire fucking building full of people died. He was more concerned with people blaming him for it than with the people who died.

>>82257577
It should be right after the Senate bombing.

>>82256269
More shitty movies.

>>82257769
Directly contradicted by him helping evacuate survivors in the aftermath. Snyder' Superman is not Dr. Manhattan. Not even close.

>>82256658
>What are you doing next Tuesday? I'll start writing up the pastebin now and hopefully I can bring everything together by then.
I'll probably be around. If I see your post, I'll let you know. I'll check the archive, too. You're talking May 8th and presumably America-time, right?

>>82257827
Going by how this thread has developped, I guess it would be a 100 pages of "why do they fuck in the tub? the water overflows haha Snyder BTFO!" and shit like that.

>>82257821
Hey, what if showed some fucking human emotion while doing it? He looks like he's trying to look sad but he's really not. Superman is supposed to be Clark Kent a kid from kansas, not a robot.

Dingdong universe>dc cinematic ,face it ,dc cucks.

>>82257903
He was showing an emotion - dazed shock. I've been there, and it wasn't all that inaccurate. Don't forget that he blamed himself for it. Shock and regret ate good enough for me.

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>>82257778
Oh damn it's very short. Thanks.

>>82257903
You're trying really hard but unfortunately none of your claims are true. The "no emotion " superman is clearly a meme you've swallowed since Clark is clearly just trying to help ppl when he can. And felt pain when he and where he fails but pls spout ur silly meme some more.

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>>82258022
Not a problem.

And I want to talk about this magnificent bastard right here. I have never in my life seen a cape villain this complex and deftly written and acted. I know some people will think I memeing, but I'm really not. I admit that I wasn't a fan of quirky, twitchy Lex either at first, but he's really grown on me.

When I realized that Lex spent most of the movie processing the biggest infodump in human history, it all fell into place for me. He had literally all the secrets, all the info, for most of the damn movie. He already knew about metahumans and had at least a rough idea of what their presence in the world heralded. After he accesses the Scoutship's AI, this man holds literally all the cards, all the truth, if you will.

Yet. Shares. None of it.

At best, he uses his information to season his lies, lend them credibility. In essence, Lex was the poster child for "Fake News" before we'd ever even decided what we were going to call it. It's fucking fantastic.

>>82257326
Aren't you supposed to be posting the ebin "review" copypasta?

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>>82254818
>remembering seeing this in the cinemas
>i came so close to walking out but i decided not to
>also wanted to go up to the receptionist and ask for my money back but i didnt
>instead i buried my poor comments of the flick to whom it may concern
>get home
>talk to my sister about it
>she thinks its 10/10 literally one of the best movies shes ever seen
>im sitting here going, "where the fuck did you get such garbage taste from"

you know it becomes more and more clear why i don't like my sister she's dumb, and not the cute kind of dumb, but obnoxious "pay attention to me even though im not good looking" kind of dumb

>>82258273
so what was his plan? why create doomsday? why not try to work with Superman against Darkseid?

Same thing happened when Starship Troopers came out. Same thing. Divisive director with genre defining movies in the recent past and unique visual language making a big blockbuster based on a well known IP whose fanatics couldn't deal with the movie deviating from the source material. To a tee.

Critics and some people trashed it to the ground and the movie "underperformed" financially, whatever that means, but some fans were loyal to death and now it's remembered fondly. I hope BvS goes the same way because there is legit great stuff there but I don't think it will, the age of nostalgia will pass and all capeshit is going to be lumped together with the sequels and remakes as the sign of a culturally, artistically dead decade. In the end, for all the good things the movie has, the flaws prevent it to stand out

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this movie has great cinematography and ok symbolism but shit effects and an incredibly in cohesive story (as well as bad pacing)

Yeah we know Snyder can direct a good scene. Now if he only could put them together in something that resembles an exciting plot.

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>>82258620
It's unclear whether Lex had already been in contact with the New Gods throughout the movie, but if he was, he'd already been corrupted through the whole movie. If he wasn't, contacting Darkseid's forces is his ultimate oh-shit-button.

Lex sees everyone as an obstacle to be eliminated or a pawn to be exploited, and that very much includes Superman. Clark went from pawn to obstacle the instant he decided to not bring Lex what he asked him for. If things had gone Lex's way, Bruce would have been headless, Clark would have been a murderer with a dead mom(most likely a dead girlfriend, too), and Lex would be tapping his government buddies to re-route a certain Turkish Airlines flight so Diana could help deal with whichever "alien menace" was still standing. With Bruce's unused kryptonite arsenal.

Lex would probably capitalize on his perceived "prudent" and precautionary thinking and use his enhanced rep as the leverage to convince the government to write him one last blank check - carte blanche authority over the metahuman team he'd organize as a deterrent against future alien threats.

And hey, what's a little merchandising on the side? It remains to be seen whether or not Waller was in on any of this, but bear this in mind: if Clark had delivered on Lex's demands and survived the Doomsday fight, his options would have been either fucking off to space, living life as a fugitive from justice and a k-spear-wielding Diana, or submitting to human authority and trying to clear his name. One way to do that would be serving in Waller's Task Force X, which was always a mandate to press any super criminals of their choosing into service.

Really makes you think.

>>82254991
>>82256703
>>82255302

It's not about Superman being some god in Batman's eyes, but Batman using his own example as proof that Superman eventually will turn bad.

Batman in the movie is lost because he's feeling the weight of his irrelevancy after the destruction Metropolis faced. He feels that all his years of sacrifice were for nothing. He didn't changed Gotham for the better, he didn't protect those close to him and he was utterly powerless to help his employees during the aliens invasion. So in his powerlessness he got angry and decided it was time to really do some permanent changes. That's why he started roughing the Gotham underworld.

So he sees Superman, who's playing a hero, one day following his own example. One day Superman will realize what he does is for nothing and then what? Batman's human. At most he can only make Gotham worse. But Superman? If Superman got angry he could fuck the world something fierce. So if Batman wants to leave a permanent legacy behind, a good one would be saving the world from a future Superman turned mad.

But in the end Batman realizes that Superman is nothing like him. Superman's a hero through and through. The whole movie is about Batman realizing that Superman's better than him and that he could be better as well.

>>82257283

Then you're dumb as hell.

>>82254585
It's a little funny

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>>82259779
Spot-on, DCbro. I'm interested to see if Bruce stayed across his line after whatever happened with Robin and the Joker, or if it really was the Battle of Metropolis that tipped him over into full vigilante mode.

>>82258398
Post pics of your sister she sounds cool.

The sword that can cut anything and the lasso that can... whatever only activate their powers and held by Wonder Woman. This is something that was in tie-in material pertaining the movie and that will be explored further in the WW solo movie.

So the lasso in Superman's hands would just be a normal lasso.

How do I become a DChad? Suck the cock of every Turkish Airline employee?

>>82256672
Muslims are a-ok with diddling kids.
More news at 11.

>>82260044
When I first heard this, I thought we were going to find out that metahumans, including the Amazons, traced their lineage back to a Kryptonian ancestor. I'm glad that turned out not to be the case.

>>82257407
>What they really want is brain dead capeshit masquerading as art.

I'm sure everybody hated BvS

>>82257560
>It's literally a direct adaptation

They surely nailed that slow-mo kungfu shit from the comic

Batman and Daredevil are the only interesting comic book characters.

>>82260120
It was in the first drafts of the movie. I'm glad they dropped that shit. Making every meta a descendant of some Krypto explorer was a dumb idea. Not everything needs to be autistically explained an tie with a fucking bubblegum pink bow.

>>82260307
I think they're going more the "Planetary" route and making them some sort of natural defense mechanism of the planet.

How can you have Batman and Captain America punching God-like beings in space with all this inter-dimensional shit going on?

Doesn't that take away from the premise of their characters?

>>82260570
Yes, that's why it only happens in their team-books, not their own titles in the comics.

>>82260570
Most of the time, they both fall into the role of tactician. Bats is frequently doing that from the inside of a mech or some sort of powered armor.

>>82257680
Exactly. Showing his infiltrations through the bad guy's perspective is great because then the director can treat Batman as a sort of horror movie monster. Striking violently and quickly from the shadows when least expected, picking off people one by one. It really showcases how terrifying Batman is for his enemies. Like in that gif from the Ultimate cut, he looks like a goddamn demon dropping down on that guy.

>>82253939
>aping a cartoon makes it kino

GotG 2 > anything DC

>>82255836
the camera pivoted, strafed a bit, and pivoted some more before zooming in on Bats.

>>82256156
IIRC Superman did eventually learn some kryptonian martial art in the comics, and I'm sure Batman, Black Canary, Wildcat and other martial artist heroes have taught him a thing or two as well.

>>82255394
>I don't understand Superman the post.
Superman isn't hard to get. He's the quintessential American Boy Scout. He stands for Truth, Justice, and the American Way.
BvS is essentially Batman dealing with his inferiority complex in a negatively destructive way. I'm saying this as a Batman and BvS fan. Although I've only seen the Ultimate Edition, can't comment on BvS Theatrical.

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>>82259948
I suspect Supes was what pushed him over the edge, but Robin''s death almost certainly played a key role as per the monument in the Batcave.
>>82259625
I never picked up on that bit with Waller. I honestly think BvS Lex is the best cape villain ever and Eisenberg gave a genius performance

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can't wait to see what kind of kino WW has in store

>>82261620
This is why I want an Arkham or a Blackgate movie, really anything that would put him in full-on stealth mode.

>>82261991
I heard the movie is supposed to be him stuck in Arkham.

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>>82253939
How did we go from this?

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>>82254818
Why do autists get so upset by perceivedly bad CGI? "Ugh, I want my completely fake CGI Sci-fi monster to look as gritty and realistic as possible!" Do they realize how autistic this is? Dropping a movie over bad CGI?

ever notice how if you search for "capekino" on twitter you get nothing but barely literate mexicans?

>>82262072
Its because the DCEU is the bizzaro universe to nolan's universe.

>>82261776
He does. I'd like to see Bruce hand off the mantle to Nightwing and act as trainer, backer, and tactician, sort of like a way more badass version of Professor X. I'd also like to see him help Clark craft his public persona. There's no one alive that better understands the importance of image and symbols.

>>82259427
Watch the Ultimate Edition. Theatrical was a hack and slash job of editing.

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Remember when Transformers were the controversial movies?

>>82253939
>DC whitewashing
Joss Whedon will fix this once he comes onboard, thank god

>>82262067
Fucking A.

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>>82262072
To be fair, Ledger killing himself dramatically dipped the quality of the original third movie. Nolan was going to bring back the Joker, but since Ledger was dead he pulled Bane's storyline and Talia out of his ass the last minute. Imagine how good Dark Knight Rises could've been.

>>82262072
DKR wasn't good. The first two movies set up something cool, and had Gotham actually look like a place that might have the sort of crazy shit you see.

Then they just sort of dropped that.

As much as I hate BvS, at least they finally had Batman doing detective-type shit.

>>82262094
Ever notice how DC's staunchest advocates here are infinitely more eloquent than their detractors?

I'm whiter than you. I can practically guarantee it.

>>82262072
It's a real shitty trilogy. Daredevil 2015 was grounded Batman done right.

>>82254041
That's incredible. I knew Snyder was smart, but I didn't know he was THAT smart.

>>82262119
You're right, but not in the way you intended.

>>82258398
you sound like a fucking looser, god damn

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>>82261620

>>82257339
>could THROW the SPEAR
why would you throw a spear before throwing a spear?

>>82253939
i can destroy this movie with just 1 (one) word
>martha

what is DChads opinion on Damaged Joker?

>>82262219
As much as I like Ledger's Joker, there were a lot of things wrong with that movie. It saw the., dare I say, inception of Nolan's love of smartarded villain schemes.

>>82262094
Could be worse

They could be marvel pajeets.

>>82262421
my favourite adaptation of the character bar Nicholsen's

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>>82262421
Not enough screen time to really form much of an opinion. Leto's instincts seem good. What little bit we've seen thus far seems to portray him as more unpredictable a Joker than Ledger's calculating mastermind.

I also like the thematic statement the tattoos make. Ledger's Joker wore the greasepaint as a badge. Leto's wears the tattoos as a badge while the "greasepaint" goes all the way to the bone.

>>82262421
As terrible as it was, if they just changed up the way he dressed (instead of being ghetto fabulous), he'd work fine.

Assuming they stop chickening out and actually show how terrible Joker is to Harley (before the advertising agency recut it to look like he cared about her)

>>82262421
It's a reasonable joker as long as it doesn't tie into anything else cause that universe is really far off from the other DCEU stuff.

>>82262387
he said horror not comedy

>>82262258
no need to be insecure, son

>>82262590

Even the extended version with his more screentime,he's shit. They better retcon him as Jason Todd.

>>82262595
They actually botched what would be a pretty accurate depiction of such a relationship. He treats her like dirt. But hes not going to let anyone else treat her like dirt. Shes fucked up enough to interpret that as love, rather than simple possessiveness.

But these are huge budget blockbusters with a very tenuous marketshare that, so far, has only been cultivated with outright lies. Can't go doing things that might alienate people.

>>82262590
Why did he draw himself a bigger smile?

>>82262659
It's not a retcon. Who else do you think was Bruce's first kill?

>>82262659
Hes already jason todd, they had to do that because of whatever contract magic nolan performed to make it so WB couldn't touch anything he touched.

also they've already pretty much cemented harley as an unreliable narrator.

The only surprising aspect of anything in the DCEU is how WB thinks they aren't being utterly transparent with absolutely everything.

>>82254075
Wouldn't expect from a redditor and their avatar.

>>82262752
How do you figure they'll work the angle of Harley being an accomplice to Robin's murder? The friends Bruce still has at Arkham?

>>82256952
Amazing.

>>82262841
but DCEU batman wouldn't let a robin die, that's the point. He just let worse shit go down, I'm thinking Damaged Joker is more RotJ Tim Drake.

>>82262711
i hope not, id like to see an older joker frustrating bruce
Leto playing Jason playing Joker makes the most sense to me. I mean Joker is Kooky but he isnt all Kooky

>>82262841
At the risk of putting more thought into this than anyone actually working on the movies...

Joker1.0 turned Harley first then had her help turn jason, once she turned jason she couldn't tell the difference due to cognitive dissonance surrounding the fact she literally tortured the kid for days/weeks and essentially murdered who he was and twisted him into a half-assed version of the joker. Then real joker is beaten to a completely unrecognizable pulp by batman, she goes full denial on that as well, and suddenly jason is the only joker shes ever willing to acknowledge and she edits her own memories supplanting todd with the real joker.

That hackey red haze that precedes every harley flashback in the movie is basically a huge flag that her memories aren't accurate.

>>82262920
He didn't let a Robin die. That doesn't stop Robin from being "dead." My bet is that Leto is corrupted Jason Todd and there's not yet been a Tim Drake.

>>82262920
huh? Jason was always impatient and impulsive and it got him killed. out of batmans control

>>82263007
>>82263014
There wouldn't be a Tim Drake if Jason Todd had survived.... which means whatever Joker woulda done to Drake gets done to Todd. Crowbar'd AND brainwashed.

>>82262920
Return of the Jedi Tim Drake?

>>82263161
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Etst4t3ES8Y

>>82262978
Or Bruce straight-up murdered the original, and Harley, an unknown accomplice of the Joker's, continued to work on her "project" once Bruce had him committed under a false name. It could be her way of "resurrecting" Mr. J.

The Joker even talks about Harley taking away what few memories he had left. It's sort of beautifully twisted.

>>82254991
It's not that he realizes Superman has a mom. He realizes he has becomes his parents killer. He thought he was taking on his father's legacy, starting a fight he could not win (charging at a man with a gun to protect his family :: assassinating an alien to protect humanity) but by hearing "You're letting him kill Martha." he sees the truth, he's just a scared man pointing a weapon at another person, who is just pleading for the life of another. Superman is not Joe Chill, he is Thomas Wayne weakly saying "Martha" lying on the pavement, he is the young Bruce, terrified that his mother is about to die. Bruce became everything he was against, he gazed too deep into the abyss and became part of it.

You just didn't get it.

>>82253939
>It's another /tv/ shitposters think things looking like other things is good filmmaking episode

>>82263384
Lotta loyalty for grasping at straws.

I wish I was hipster enough to act like BvS was better than most superhero movies or movies in general. It's attempt at being "deep" is browbeating you with religion. These threads aren't even ironically funny. It's pathetic.

>>82263491
I wonder if any of the autists in this thread take what they say seriously or if they're just joking.

>>82263491
And yet here you are, triggered as fuck

>>82263236
I was not aware of this version of events
inwhat iv read/viewed, jason appears to die, and comes back later as the red hood (which is similiar enough to damaged joker that it seems to fit)
batman does not recruit another robin out of guilt, until Tim does his own detective work, discovers bruce, and blackmails/nags him into training him

DCEU seems primed for a small Tim role, but i wouldnt mind seeing Kerry either

>>82258398
is your sister single?

>>82263491
Wouldn't expect any less of a pleb.

>>82263613
Yeah, Red Hood Todd is using joker's "story" to get batman's attention but he's lazarus'd all crazy anyway. I don't think the TDKR-esque DCEU batman WOULD let jason todd out as impulsive as he was but maybe that's why batman got tough.

>>82263384
Bruce was already unconsciously sabotaging himself the entire time. He can't kill in cold blood, and he damn sure can't kill face-to-face, yet he chose a spear instead of a nice, impersonal bullet.

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>>82263491
How many different religions, or rather deities, did you catch in MoS and BvS? My bet is one.

>>82263845
Is Mexican a religion?
Superman showed up in Mexico for Day of the Dead.

>>82263773
Well he DID shoot him with bullets first, fired out of turrets. They didn't work. I dunno if batman was sabotaging himself or just trying to die on the job.

>>82263293
kinda works better if jason is fully brainwashed by the time batman finds him

and like has been said, harley is completely off the reservation. Her flashbacks can't even be relied upon to be in order. Much less accurate.

>>82263773
>yea haha batman was just sabotaging himself uncosciously haha thats why the 7 minute titular fight was so pointless and silly haha

this is just getting sad

>>82257556
>>82262301
I don't know if this is posr ironic memery or you are genuinely faggs.

>>82254991
>Batman, the character who had his parents shot in front of him when he was a child and as a resulted decided to dedicate his entire life to dressing up in a scary costume and using his vast fortune and lifetime of training to fight crime as a vigilante, has weird parental issues.

Who would have guessed?

>>82263881
mexicans practice a brand of Catholicism that's pure idol worship mixed with half-assed voodoo.

so, yea, mexican is a religion

>>82264065
its not like superman says "help save my kid, martha"

>>82254168
New Paranormal Activity?

>>82264088
That idol worship is part of catholicism anyway, praying to individual saints and shit. Switching pagan spirits for random saints that do roughly the same thing.

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>>82263881
You the same guy as >>82263491?

If so, you're a pleb. Worse, you're a fedora that doesn't even know he's a pleb. Take your fuckng Jesus goggles off. You dun been Zacked.

>>82264320
No I'm not the same guy.
I was just asking, I didn't know what Mexico believes in.

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>>82264032
It's all right there, even the clues to the circumstances of his fall. Sorry you can't into anything more than pleb-level grasp of imagery, psychology, and symbolism.

Just a meaningless dream, right? Being as pleb as you must be bliss.

>>82264503
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kpwo0VNIwsg

All just meaningless coincidence, amirite?

>>82264746
at first i was not sold, but irons does an incredible alfred
perfect balance of duty and snark

>>82264746
I don't see the purpose in making it 60FPS.

>>82265329
shut up marvel bitch, go fap to your raccoon

entry level symbolism doesn't mean shit when the overall story is shit. sorry.

>>82265438
Go get fucked in the butt by your boyfriend Autista. Fake high framerates makes it look terrible.

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>>82265496
You don't even know what it's there for, because you only understand one use of symbolism. It isn't always to drub the audience over the head with what they're supposed to think about a character for starters.

If you're looking for that, look no further than Bryan Singer. He's the king of vapid, meaningless symbolic imagery. He's the same guy who has Nightcrawler and Angel square off against one another for no other reason than "muh pottery."

>>82265753
ah yes, there we go again with the "Oh you just don't understand it" garbage. If people didn't use that excuse as much as they do, people wouldn't shit on these crappy DC movies as much as they do. But the weirdo cult like fans just make it so easy.

>>82262088
It's not even the bad cgi, it's just bad ideas. That zoom in slomo shot of Superman's face looked like shit, good cgi or no

>>82265876
>Oh you just don't understand it

Well feel free to prove you do any time you're ready. The floor is yours.

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>>82256107
Greetings, reddit

>>82262072
>people liked Nolan movies
Damn, was that a such a different time, or this was just another case of mass hysteria, much like Avatar?

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>>82265753
Snyder is using vapid meaningless symbolic imagery. Jesus dies to save humanity, Superman died to kill a literal monster created by a single person.

Where as Jesus figuratively saved people, Superman literally saves people, at least in theory Superman is supposed to literally save people. In practice...

Snyder's Superman is to Jesus as Anakin Skywalker is to Romeo, the writing intention was there but it comes out horribly corny.

Meanwhile you have the Nolan brothers who actually did a good job of creating symbolic imagery in The Dark Knight, the one scene of the Joker blowing up the hospital is way better at establishing the Joker as the ultimate agent of chaos than any of the gratuitous Jesus stagings in MoS or B vs.S.

>>82258273
"More likely than not, these exceptional beings live among us, the basis for our myths."

How bad would it fuck you up to find out the opposite is the case? That the myths were real and they're the basis for metahumans?

>>82266395
No not really, unlike Avatar which had a recycled story on top of a special effect circle jerk, the Batman trilogy created a fairly realistic, dramatic, and believable universe with a story that the movie made its own.

>>82262219
Who is this cute frogfu?

>>82266722
He's not intended to be merely Jesus. That's why there's more than one kind of iconography associated with him - savior deities, sun deities, sky deities, three of which Lex names outright in the rooftop scene.

The imagery is there to tell us what the characters are thinking when they look at Supes. It's why we see people reaching out to touch him like a holy relic, why people are drawing "magic symbols" on their rooftops and waiting for the man in the sky to come save them.

It's the answer to Pa Kent's concerns and Perry White's question from MoS: "Do you know how people would react if they knew someone like this was out there?" Well, here's your reaction - people look at a man with god-like power and they predictably start trying to make a god out of him.

The wonderful part is that that's only one of a handful of ways the imagery is being employed. It's also an absolutely brilliant metaphor for what being Superman is in the first place - a man whose nature and environment conspire to make everything about him appear godly.

But no, you just look and see nothing but the surface and have the unmitigated gall to smugly call it entry level.

>>82262440
>smartarded villain schemes
Perfect explanation.

>>82266835
problem being, of course, is how a "realistic" batman would effectively end crime in less than a year and then, realizing hes just making things worse when figures like joker start popping up, bow out and let someone like harvey dent take all the credit for his work.

Just to highlight even more ways TDKR was such a colossal fuckup.

>>82267035
I've started using that as shorthand to identify villainous "schemes" intended to sell the villain as the master ruseman, but actually only reveal that either the creative team is retarded or assume the audience is.

>>82255302
Despite making taunts about parents he obviously has literally minutes before the Martha shit occurs?

>>82267032
Because there is nothing there, every symbol that Superman is connected to is either state by other characters, or communicated through some kind of comical staging next to or of some sort of religious artwork.

If you wanted to roll with the Pa Kent angle then Superman should've been made out to be like he was in the 1970s-1980s Superman movies, where he saves the day, nobody dies, and everyone reverse him. But instead you have this whole retarded story where Superman doesn't do anything god like aside from smiting a whole city. If the fight between Zod and Superman had happened in space or some other situation where no humans died then you could sell the angle of Superman as a god. Instead anyone who praises Superman in the Snyderverse is only doing it through the powers of screenwriting.

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>>82267082
Well, realistic relative to comic books movies.

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>>82267350
>Because there is nothing there

You want to know how far back that theme of god-making goes? All the way to the scenes on Krypton. The god they've chosen to make is science, specifically, worship of their own evolution. Here's the Kryptonian Codex up against the oldest known ancestor of mankind - Lucy. It's suggestive of the point in our own history where "evolution won."

That's the message - anything can become a "god." Even science can become a religion, and it's happening in a world where we're discovering that the myths weren't actually myths.

>where he saves the day, nobody dies, and everyone reverse him.

And that's exactly what started happening in the bus scene in Man of Steel. Clark panics and does something miraculous, saves everyone, nobody dies, and the next thing you know you have a woman in your living room telling you, in front of her own kid, mind you, that what your son just did was "an act of God."

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>>82253939
Snyder literally took the pages from comic books and put them in the film.

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>>82254075
the word "kino" was started here, newfriend, i know you're trying to scare people away from saying it, just like you tried with JUST, but it won't work.

anyways,

K I N O

>>82268331
That's what he does, though in BvS he made new meaning from the same scenes. Not sure if intentional or incompetent. That's my general analysis of Snyder actually.

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>>82261620
i've been saying this for years. we won't get it now though, too much "IT'S TOO DARK!!" Disney babies.

>>82267661
I don't even have an argument against that because that is the single dumbest post I've ever read. The Kryptonians whole world must've been run by Austin Powers because you get the feeling that all their governments decisions went something like this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkzMA1jrm00

I mean we are told that they were a space fairing race, yet somehow they stopped being that way and are completely incompetent at being able to rescue themselves.

And again you have circled around to the most basic of argument because Zack clearly just came up with an idea to Photoshop hieroglyphics onto a neanderthal skull in some vein attempt to create symbolism.

Do people really think this way? Do people really think Snyder is a genius? I still can't tell if I'm being memed on.

>>82269016
Some of them take it seriously. It's probably just autism.

>>82269016
Not a genius but underrated. He looks like a genius only when compared with those hacks at marlel, so there may be some company wars going on too

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>>82253939
>>82254041
>>82254954
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>>82264503
Have some more KINO

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>>82262149
>Ultimate Edition fixes the majority of the problems
>only issues left with the film are literally just Doomsday and forced WW
It would have been easily the perfect DC film without these two. Have Batman save Superman's mom, then have theme BOTH confront Lex together, and introduce a better timed villain for them to fight side by side. Maybe Metallo if it showed Lex slowly build him up throughout the film

>>82268571
Batman being dark is fine, it's the fact that everything else is just as depressing and washed out is the problem. Batman sticks out a lot in the DC universe because he contrasts so strongly with other heroes like Superman and Wonder Woman. but in the DC cinematic universe he just blends in to the background.

>>82269790
Read Joseph Campbell. Doomsday is the "dragon" that all heroes must defeat as part of their journey. Doomsday is an embodiment of fear and ego, he is the culmination of the narrative arcs for Bruce, Clark and Lex. Without Doomsday, the circle is incomplete.

>>82268331
You just made me aware of yet one more way they switched the roles of Superman and Batman in BvS. In TDKR, the talking heads on television debate the societal impact of the Batman. In BvS, they debate the far more global paradigm-shifting impact of Superman.

Bravo, Snyder. Bravo to the whole team.

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>>82270279
The symbolism has nothing to do with why I hated him. It was a horrible CGI abomination from the Incredible Hulk which was thrown in there because they needed a boss fight. Superman's death would have had more impact if the Justice League was already formed

>>82269515
What was the purpose of that line either that blatant foreshadowing? Like what the fuck does he mean by "Daddy's abominations?"

>>82268874
First of all, child, it's "government's," "space-faring," and "vain," not "vein."

Second of all, your rebuttal is just about the most infantile deflection I've seen in response to an argument today and you should be ashamed of it.

And lastly, there was a reason that Kryptonians abandoned exploration. It's definitely got something to do with the genetics program itself, and quite possibly because they ran across something out there that made them do it, possibly something New Gods-related.

But by all means. continue to keep your head up your ass. It only makes you look like an assblasted little kid who can't stand it when someone points out he's nowhere near as smart as he likes to think he is.

>>82270595
He's implying that his dad probably diddled him as well as physically abused him - precisely the sort of things you'd say, regardless of veracity, if you wanted to sell yourself as an unbalanced lunatic to the guy you're trying to manipulate.

He spends the whole movie trying to make people in positions of power fear Superman. When he's face to face with Clark, he's trying damn hard to give Superman all the reasons he can to fear *him.*

>>82259779
Boy it's a shame none of that headcanon is conveyed succinctly in the movie itself huh?

>>82268571
Battfleck is the only portrayal that I've ever consistently found intimidating. Bale and Keaton both had their moments, but the Batfleck looks like an absolute beast.

>>82272001
Yeah, all that stuff about powerlessness turning good men cruel and "how many good guys are left?" was all just filler to you. We get it.

>>82272001
It was so fucking blatant in the movie it, those fucking "message" bits that didn't feel like human interactions. Like they were quoting someone who made something up to sound like a really deep quote but didn't quite hit it.