New RLM

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>>82187440
whoosh

>I loved it. It was everything I wanted it to be.

>>82187498
That dead horse is a nice touch.

>>82187440
So... Rog Wan

>>82187440
They're desperate to signal how progressive they are because everybody thought they'd hate Rogue One for featuring a negroid.

>>82187751
don't contort your body like that when you're reaching, you might snap

>>82187751
Huh? But they loved VII. Well, now they hate it, so they're inconsistent, but at least right.

>>82187498
Streaming the movie with the commentary rn

Weebcrew.moe

>>82187751
they should get a black host so they can express their opinions freely

So - is this a joke? They released this video when Rogue One came out, and they're re-releasing it because it's like how nuStar Wars is rereleasing the same old stuff?

This commentary is the worst thing they ever produced. I hated it. I am done with RML.

>>82188107
It's very cool

>>82188107
it's to advertise a new commentary track, you know the very first frame of the video?

https://popplers5.bandcamp.com/download/track?enc=mp3-128&fsig=ade2ee8c69dd6011561d04a946507779&id=97712853&stream=1&ts=1493484006.0


download link

>>82188312
I'll listen to this while I bath

>>82188048
>>82187751
you're sick

>>82187981
>>82188312
iaintclickingthatshit.jpg

>>82187498
that horse is alive

>>82187981
Stop sharing the link if you already started it retard

>>82187498
>If we're self aware then it's ok!

No. No no no no no no no. NO! NONONONONONONONONONONONONONO! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

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How does bandcamp work? Can I just click on play and listen to the whole thing or do I have to pay that one dollar?

>>82188970
>Can I just click on play and listen to the whole thing

yes

>>82189012
Then what's that 1 dollar thing for?

>>82188970
You can play it on the site for free, you pay to download.

Can you blame them? Idiots like you are giving them views.

>>82189023
if you wanna give a shekel

>>82189023

If you want to pay for some reason.

You can download the mp3 for free if you have a plug-in

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>>82187440
>shits on prequels
>loves "fuck whities" SW

>shitting on Death Troopers

closed the fuggin tab

I am NOT paying $30+ for this mp3. That's outrageous.

>>82189138
what'd they say?

When will they admit that TFA is also garbage?

>>82189086
whites are evil desu, when they went to Mexico they literally smashed brown babies on the walls to kill them and built whitey churches on top of their pyramids

>>82189195
lol. never

Why do people like RLM? I cringe when I see them, because I once lived in the midwest, and uncharismatic, unfunny white trash like them are a dime a dozen. Is RLM fun for people who enjoy cringe? The fat one is the worst as well. He's the most cringe but tries to be self-aware but it fails. Serious question.

>>82189205
I can't believe that anyone but us woke revolutionaries has realized that Mexico was L I T E R A L Y Atlantis until Whitey done fucked it all up.

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>"every movie has good special effects now"

heh

>>82189192
rich said "there was a zombie star wars book" and they laughed at the EU

then mike said immediately after "but what if they did horror with star wars..." with the implication being that it would be interesting if they did that

paraphrasing

>>82189265
>The fat one is the worst as well
Half of them can be described as the fat one, you are going to have to be more specific.

>>82189291
oh i thought you meant the death troopers in rogue

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>>82189299
The one that doesn't have a beard and is fat and very inarticulate and drunk and fat

>>82188616
RLM won't dare criticize anything Star Wars ever again. They haven't the spine. They softball for Marvel shit too. They're in the hands of Disney.

>>82189288
gollum was top tier cgi in the hobbit movies, everything else was bad because "muh action WWWAARRRR"

>>82190094
i mean smeagol, fuck

>>82189984
>RLM won't dare criticize anything Star Wars ever again
uuuhhh... you do know they hate rogue one and haven't stopped shitting on it for 6 months, yeah?

>>82190179
They completely softballed it. Disney bought them out.

>>82190198
they've literally made not one positive remark about it

>>82187440
>whole fame and reputation comes from shitting on the prequels
>gush over boring af remake designed by a comitee that is nuStarWars

Really makes me activate my almonds.

>>82187498

Mike watches Maddox confirmed.

Likelyhood of browsing /pol/ increased

>>82187440
Honestly who watches these fat fucks discuss/review movies? Can't you come up with your opinion?!

>>82189086
I see what you did there... : )

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>>82187440
>jay doesn't like the lion king

based!

They have to make up for the check that disney didn't send for R1 and the check they won't send for ep 8. Give them a break, they run a business.

>>82190780
+no friends
+it's entertaining
+why watch anyone discuss anything then?
+need things to watch while eating/junk tasks

>>82190780
why are you here?

I can't take these guys seriously for defending The Force Awakens while they shit on Rogue One. They've obviously been put into a corner and they're doubling down on their misguided initial hype reaction to TFA by shitting on R1, the actual decent Disney Star Wars movie. They are literally hack frauds. Can't stand Rich either. He's the walking personification of the manchildren he ridicules so much.

>>82191132
>R1, the actual decent Disney Star Wars movie.
Wrong. Both movies are shit, but R1 is much worse.

>>82191182
nope. fuck off mike

>>82191182
R1 is in fact much better and you should kys. I mean it's still shit. But not as shit.

oh great this other shitty youtuber thread is still going.

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>wahhhh no comedy star wars
>wahhhh no horror star wars
What the fuck is there problem?

>>82191210
>>82191252
Nope.There's almost nothing remotely redeeming about R1, while TFA, in aping so many aspects from ANH, by pure imitation makes a watchable film.

>>82189265

what channels would you recommend? what are some good examples of charismatic, funny people?

>>82191451
nah. you can fuck off too jay

>>82191396
And yet they made a "war movie Star Wars" and RLM hated it. You can't please these guys because they have zero integrity.

I don't own the movie, how am I supposed to enjoy the commentary?

>>82189273
it's real tho, look up la piramide de cholula

>>82191488
NONE channels. Youtubers are uniformly terrible.

>>82191210
>>82191252
>Cast:
Worse (and TFA had Boyega and GoT actors FFS)
>Screenplay:
Worse
>Action
On par, TFA edges it if I had to pick one though
>Characters:
Worse (this one is the most embarrassing)
>Editing:
Worse (unlimited reshoots works was not kind to this movie)

>>82191596
go back to your video games rich

>>82191525
They're barely talking about the movie, just shitting on how a Star Wars movie that didn't spend it's entire runtime felating the OT was made

>>82187440
Man they really can't let it go eh?

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>>82191641
>rich
I wish I was as awesome as this beautiful man.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KolenE1GCyg

>>82191797
See >>82187498

>>82191821
You wish you were a fat, diabetic crack baby with a tranny boyfriend?

>>82191824
>RLM makes their 500,000th self-aware joke to excuse their pandering to their fanboy audience

>>82191596

worst thing you can say about rogue one's cast and characters is that they were slightly bland, TFA on the other hand was downright rage inducing with daisy ridley's 'acting' and rey being an awful mary sue etc

rogue one: 6/10
TFA: 4/10

>>82191941
And they're continue to as long as they rake in a growing $24k/month.

>>82192107
Nobody likes a braggart, Rich.

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>Unironically alternating between being mad at R1 for not being the ~real~ Star Wars movie that they as Star Wars fans wanted it to be and then mocking "Star Wars fan" for liking R1

The cognitive dissonance is ridiculous.

>>82192195
I'm not listening to the review, but this is consistent with their review. They have higher standards for what they think Star Wars should be, (which was somehow met by TFA), but mock Star Wars fans for liking anything, even R1

>>82191396
So did you completely miss the point they were making? Because it sounds like you completely missed the point they were making.

>mike hates rogue one for the same reasons he likes episode 7

it makes no sense

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>>82191941
>>82191797
Space Cop was an economic and spiritual disaster for all involved.

>>82189023
Support our friends!

>>82192690

How fat is Patton? 350lbs? (sorry I'm American and know nothing about the metric system)

>>82187440
lol it's fucking over for them

>>82192638
He hates Rogue One mainly because it has no likeable characters.

He likes TFA because it DOES have likeable characters (in his opinion).

Why is this so hard for you faggots to understand?

>>82192638
see
>>82191132

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>>82192534
>wahhh you can't do star wars this way
>wahhhh how awful would it be
>also sidenote our ideas for star wars would be so much better are we right guys

These men are fraus!

>>82191523
>they made a "shitty war movie Star Wars"
fixed

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>>82192638
>r1
fanservice bad because it lukewarm turd
>tfa
fanservice ok because it slightly warm turd

They're pretty specific about giving TFA a pass because it's a movie(barely), but R1 was more of a collection of things that happen in an order to get to a point.

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>plebs on /tv/ actually like Rogue One
This place used to at least PRETEND to be patrician.

>>82193011
It's up.

>>82192989
Rogue One had more intrigue, better characters, and it's pandering was less obvious.

TFA was a retread of ANH filtered through the Disney Marvel Template.

>>82189288

It's ok graphically, just physically implausible.

>>82193071
>Rogue One had more intrigue, better characters, and it's pandering was less obvious.
Is it opposite day?

>>82193071
Rogue One barely even had characters. I can't remember a single new character's name from that movie

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>>82191396

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>>82193071
>Rogue One had more intrigue,
No
>better characters,
No
>and it's pandering was less obvious.
Nigga please

>>82191396
>wahhhh no comedy star wars
>wahhhh no horror star wars
Sounds like your problem tbqh familia.

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>>82193247
*wilhelm scream*

>>82193109
>>82193145
>>82193254

Rogue one had a greater variety of characters. TFA had Mary Sue, Quippy guy, the other quippy guy, Darth Coldsteel, and Han Solo.

>>82187440

Youre still posting avout them.

>>82193370
>Rogue one had a greater variety of characters.
A greater variety of shit characters. The ones in TFA at least had characterization.

>>82193444
>The ones in TFA at least had characterization.
>I'm British
>I'm nervous
>I'm quippy
>I'm angsty

>>82193370
>Quippy robot, wooden mexican, wooden british girl, wooden indian guy, blind asian, gun asian

>>82187440
You're either a RLM fanboy
Or buttmad that R1 was a complete failure.

>>82193490
Rey wanted to escape her shitty planet and see the galaxy. Finn wanted no part in the new order and was trying to escape his circumstances too. Kylo was struggling with embracing the dark side when there was still some good left in him.

They're all shit, yes, but better than the nothing on display in Rogue One.

>>82193370
>Rogue one had a greater variety of characters.
Those were hardly characters.

>>82193071
>Rogue One had better characters

Nah nothing about the characters made any sense. Chirrut's story ends with him trusting the Force to do a thing but there was never anything in the movie suggesting he doubted the Force to begin with. If he was an agnostic or ended up losing faith in the Force halfway through the movie then the final sacrifice would've made sense

Cassian made no sense either, when we're introduced to him he's a cold blooded pragmatist and murders his hurt friend. But then when he finally gets the chance to assassinate Galen he suddenly gets cold feet for no reason. There is nothing in the movie suggesting that he had a change of heart about being a murderer or anything he just suddenly changes his mind

Jyn Erso was just generic action girl. We never see anything about her relationship with Saw Gerrera. The only character moment she had was when she gives that speech to go rogue to steal the death star plans (which the rebels didn't want to do because ?) but again like with Chirrut there is nothing to contrast this with. There are no scenes of Jyn just mindlessly following orders for the rebels and realizing that they actually aren't all that great and she needs to take action for herself, for example.

All of the other characters were forgettable

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>>82193490
No one is disagreeing with you here ya mad cunt, we're just saying R1 did an even worse job with their 8th wave action figure characters.

>>82193589
>Rey wanted to escape her shitty planet and see the galaxy

That's a motivation, not a character.

>>82193096
It's really not, it looks like an in-game cutscene

>>82193720
Something that none of the rogue one rejects have.

Mike's criticisms of Escape From NY were so fucking cringeworthy. He hated pretty much every single thing that makes it not just another dumbass 80s sci fi aciton movie.

>>82193766
Jyn wanted to find her father/strike back at the empire for destroying her family.

>>82193813
And it's painfully bad at establishing that.

>>82188312
thanks

>>82193799
Mike also wanted R1 to be some silly comedy heist movie. He's not the deepest thinker.

>>82191488
>what channels would you recommend?
None, you idiot.

>RLM
>charismatic, funny people
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

>>82193863
>>82191583

I guarantee you guys watch at least 1 youtube channel regularly but are too afraid to say what it is because you think I'll shit on it

>>82189023
So you can download it dumbass
nobody fucking wants to listen to shit online, so they buy it

>>82193566
First one

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>>82187440
Would you watch Mike's movie?

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>>82193919
>>82191488
I want this.
BlameSociety (Welcome to the Basement)
Jenny Nicholson
The Rageaholic (Death Wish)

>>82189086
>stormblr is so retarded, they think the prequels are white supremacist movies.
That wouldn't bode well for your movement, garbage boy.

>>82188762
wow bandcamp is so scary right

>>82187440
So the thing I really liked about Rogue One is that it made the Star Wars universe feel bigger. The cinematography for scale was amazing. The power of the Death Star was really hammered home by showing just how horrifying it was even on the lowest possible setting. We saw plenty of non-retarded vehicle designs, new droids, new weapons, more places that actually seemed like they had a place in the Star Wars universe. We got a new take on the Force that wasn't Jedi/Sith or Nightsisters magic. We saw how ridiculously big and powerful the Empire was in their defense of a single outpost. We saw how fucking powerful even a few Star Destroyers were and why the Rebels actually had a hard time fighting the bad guys. Then of course they show why Vader is still rightly feared.

As for the characters, the movie gave them interesting concepts but failed to develop them as people and an interactive group. Jin and co.'s motivation depended on them basically being decent people but went unexplored.

Someone once mentioned that R1 felt to them more like a Star Wars RPG game than a movie, and I think that's fitting. The random cameos were weird, and Vader's dumb dad joke was cringy as fuck. The overall narrative is very basic and straightforward.

That said, it's still a hell of a lot better than TFA's "it's 30 years later but let's just ape A New Hope with better special effects" bullshit.

>>82194697
This. R1 at least left an impression. I forgot about TFA after I left the theatre.

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>shitting on based cameron
These fucking hacks go to far!

>>82193813
That's a motivation, not a character.

>>82187440
They're hacks that milk everything till the very last drop but it's OK because they are aware of it and irony is funny xD

>>82188312
Jesus do they actually commentate on the movie or talk about side shit the whole time.

>>82189044
thats right susan

>>82188312
based an...
>it's just 2 hours of shit talking
nevermind

>>82195256
Maybe you should listen to more than 1 minute of the commentary before asking something this retarded.

why are they so butthurt about being wrong about rogue one

>>82195256
Shitting on the movie with occasional segues into shitting on James Cameron and Mike's bizzare obsession with another not-Star Wars sci-fi franchise

>>82195256
90% of the time they don't talk about the movie in these commentaries.
Jay always tries to pretend like he's some expert "cinephile" as if he knows what he's talking about, but all of it is a facade of surface level crap, like you would find on a channel like EFAP, or trivia that he obviously only just read on Wikipedia or IMDb.
Rich plays out the same tired jokes we've all heard before; I think he's legitimately retarded, and these unscripted commentary tracks make it all the more obvious.
Mike is notably drunk a lot of the time, and likes to go on tangents, especially about Star Trek.

>RLMfags were calling people who predicted they would keep posting RO and "ironic' stuff "butthurt"
And here we are.

>>82193589
>Rey wanted to escape her shitty planet and see the galaxy.
That's not what happened at all. She wanted to stay for her parents and only left because she happen to run into bb8 and finn.

>>82193799
Source? If so I really can't understand why people would defend and shill for him, sounds like a fucking idiot.

I hate that unfunny, fat idiot. I only watch the show because of the handsome guy and the funny fatass that shows up once in a while.

But this unfunny fat bastard is insufferable, I can't stand his face.

>>82193566
In what world was R1 a complete failure?

>critically acclaimed
>box office over $1 billion

>>82191488
H3H3 Productions

>>82193836
No worse than how they established Luke's motivation for fighting the Empire. If anything, it was more developed and fleshed out in Rogue One than in A New Hope.

>>82193799
The RLM members are notorious for disliking things for very stupid reasons. Jay dislikes Blade Runner because he found it "boring" and that it "didn't connect with [him]". Then again he loved every single MCU movie that has come out.

>>82195773
Get on with the times gramps. Blade Runner isn't that good. It's boring and dull.

>>82195850
The director's cut was great.

very cool very very cool

>>82195632

It's the first Star Wars movie that doesn't feel like a Star Wars movie.

>>82195880
>drinks loudly from cup

>>82195773
I still can't believe how much they liked Jurassic World.

>>82195905
How so?

If anything it was a great homage to the war movies that inspired George Lucas.

>>82193799
>>82195569
>>82195773
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ff2YU6XtZ9o

>>82195905
>the prequels don't exist

>>82195773
>Jay dislikes Blade Runner because he found it "boring" and that it "didn't connect with [him]".
How is that a stupid reason?

I know that meme!

*clap clap clap*

>>82195905
Stop parroting shit from RLM that has no real basis in fact.

The final act of Rogue One "feels" more Star Wars than anything in the prequels.

>>82195945
Jay didn't.

>>82196028
>The final act of Rogue One "feels" more Star Wars than anything in the prequels.

so if 1/3 of the movie feels like star wars you can say the entire movie feels like star wars

>dipshit fanboi logic

>>82195971
>war movies
>not space operas
just because the battle at the end was a bit like a ww2 dogfight doesnt make it a war film

>>82192989
>TFA is NOT a collection of things that happen that get to a point
>Rey meets Finn, Han, and beats Kylo all in the course of a day

Can't we all just come to an agreement that Rouge One and TFA are both shit in their own ways?

>>82196201
Rogue One and TFA are not shit. Sure, TFA was a rehash of ANH, and Rogue One was kind of dark, but they are both genuinely well made popcorn movies. I seriously have no idea what's with the special snowflakes and their hate boners.

>>82196375
Well made doesn't mean they're not shit.

>>82196375
>popcorn movies

I love how this term came into existence: shit movies with big budgets but you can't call them shit cause that kills word-of-mouth sales and without these movies we might realize how bad things have gotten.

>>82196201
No, they both have their glaring flaws but I wouldn't go so far as to say they're shit.

Or, at least, I'm holding off on my judgement of TFA till The Last Jedi comes out and we'll see how well it cleans up the mess JJ Abrams left behind.

>>82187498
>The reason movies like Sharknado don't work is because they're intentionally made to be bad and they're aware of it, it just does not work when you're doing it ironically.

>Lol it's okay guys we're just beating a dead horse ironically, we also made Space Cop intending for it to be bad. haha

People will defend them for this.

>>82196510
the sequel trilogy may be end up good sure but TFA is by itself not so much. Just like how the OT is great but it's agreed that ROTJ is a meh movie by itself.

>>82196663
People will defend them for false equivalencies posted by some anon on /tv/?

>>82187498
Ironic selling out is still selling out.

>>82196871
Do you even know what "selling out" means?

>>82194209
>Jenny Nicholson
ob-i wan to fuck her

>>82196757
Apparently so.

If you still don't believe disney are running shills here just look at this thread.
If you guys are indeed not shills and just doing it for free i feel sorry for you.

>>82195773
You forgot about Rich Evans hating Metroid Prime, Goldeneye and various other games because they're not on PC and you play them with a controller.

>>82187440
>reddit letter media

>>82197162
so who are you shilling for?

>>82196733
That's what I mean. R1 has to more or less stand on its own but TFA's problems can be buffered by how it ties into potentially better movies.

>>82187498
i didn't watch them for years, i see ye olde "we're shills but aware of it so not really wink wink" humor is still in place

>>82196871
Its free

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>>82196201
I don't think anybody actually likes either. It's more that people are baffled by the way RLM excuses flaws in TFA while giving R1 shit for the very same flaws.

Also "Daisy Ridley is charismatic as hell in that movie".

>>82197162
no one here is a shill
no one is going to pay anyone to act like a full-blown fucking autistic retard online
feel sorry for yourself for even coming to fucking 4chan, and then into this thread, and expecting anything but this level of fucking dumbass bullshit.
it's always a fucking train wreck in here.

>>82197287
For you

>mike plays videogames

WHAT THE FUCK, THE TWIST

>>82195391
Ha ha. /tv/ is the one who is butthurt, my friend, and I am LOVING IT.

>>82191877
>with a tranny boyfriend?
What?

Rich is dating a trans-man?

>>82197361
>RLM excuses flaws in TFA while giving R1 shit for the very same flaws.
Like what? I think the mistake your brain is making is seeing these movies parallel to each other. They're not, Rogue One adds up to the SW saturation of TFA, and it wouldn't stand on its own without the context of the other movies. TFA does a better job of it, you don't need context to understand any of it, or to find the characters compelling. TFA stands better on its own and has relate-able characters, that's the edge it has over rogue one.

>>82198117
TFA is so dependent on the cultural capital of the original trilogy and only exists to remind the audience of it. At least R1 expands the lore.

>>82198196
>R1 expands the lore
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

....deep breath...

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>82198117
>Mike misunderstanding what Disney meant by calling Rogue One a "standalone"
This only meant that it's not part of the main Skywalker storyline, not that they tried and failed to make a movie that completely stood on it's own. Everyone gets that it's Episode IIIa. Such a retarded criticism.

>>82198232
>introduces other factions of the Force
>Rebel Alliance was fractured in the beginning
>Rebel Alliance had dirty hands with terrorists
>In-fighting the Empire

>>82198232
For once the Rebel Alliance was just "generic underdog good guys" and actually has many questionable factions and associates, and how the Force has more devotees than just the Jedi and Sith. Taht's way more than TFA did.

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rich evans doing voicework (wat)

>>82198484
>more devotees than just the Jedi and Sith

>what is Maz Kanata (butthole eyes) and Lor San Tekka (church of the force guy)

>>82198638
>church of the force
was this ever mentioned on screen in TFA

>>82198196
I don't give a fuck about expanding lore when the characters are this fucking dull. At least in TFA I liked following the characters.

>>82198196
>R1 expands the lore
How does it do this?

I'll wait.

>>82189086

YO, DIS SOME ESSENTIAL OFFICE SHIT.

GOT MUH PAPER CLIP

GOT MUH WORD ART

GOT MUH POWERPOINT SLIDE TRANSITIONS

WE MAVIS BEACON NAO, BOY.

>>82198753
>this fucking dull
Gareth Edwards should have directed his cast to play it more like a super-broad Steve Martin comedy like JJ Abrams evidently did on TFA.

>>82198806
cringe

>>82193863
>thing that I don't like
>is good
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAA

>your life
>fulfilled
pick one
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAA

>>82198778
>over 3 replies explaining
>ignores them to shitpost
Even by /tv/ standards this is pathetic

>>82198778
>I can't read this thread: The Post

>>82193011
DESU Rogue One was still a step in the right direction after the humongous fiasco ep VII was.
I still saw more Star Wars in Guardians of the Galaxy II than both these movies

>>82198906

Just one more...

WORD STAR HIP HOP

>>82193444
>The ones in TFA at least had characterization.
RO's characters at least made some sense.
TFA was cheap fan pandering. RO had better references (except the droids one)

>>82198636
After watching what a miserable cunt Rich is during PreRec streams, I can see him playing a character like that.

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>>82198117

>I, as a smug & detached gen-xer, can't relate to these these angry, depressed, traumatized characters who have lived through the both the Clone Wars and then 20 years of heavy totalitarian rule by the Empire.

I saw a comment on the video that made me question things.

>Rogue One is bad because it doesn't have the adventure or the comedy that Star Wars is known for. It's a spin off that has no ties to the story structure of the other movies. TFA meanwhile had good characters. It also makes sense that they still use TIE fighters and X-wings, but Rogue One hams it up too much

Fucking hell. At least RO introduced new TIE fighter variations, an imperial tank and some new troopers.

>shill for DisneyWars
>lose hipster cred
>try to make up for it by pretending to hate Rogue One which is essentially the exact same bullshit as TFA

>>82198636
Even the character wears a fedora.

>>82192195
This. The more they talk about Rogue One the dumber they look.
It's about time they stopped talking about it to prevent further embarrassing themselves, even the RLM fanboys are telling them it's getting old.

>>82196375
They're movies made by committees of kikes who are only concerned with making shekels off an established franchise. At no point in the production of either movie were they concerned with telling stories that could stand on their own.

>>82200283
Or maybe they just enjoyed The Force Awakens and didn't enjoy Rogue One?

>>82200365
>even the RLM fanboys are telling them it's getting old
I think you're confusing the RLM fanbase with a small group of circlejerking, friendless faggots on /tv/.

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>>82200366
>They're movies made by committees of kikes who are only concerned with making shekels off an established franchise

DELET

>>82200366
Maybe, but spin off movies rarely do stand on their own, they always have a nudge or a wink to the series they are from.

RO may smack you instead of nudge sometimes, but TFA full on beats you with a baseball bat.

>Rogue One is bad because too many references to other star wars movies
>mad that a movie set during the rebellion has X-wings, tie fighters and other Imperial forces
>liked TFA

What the fuck are they talking about?

>>82200493
>>Rogue One is bad because too many references to other star wars movies
This isn't their main problem with the movie though.

>>mad that a movie set during the rebellion has X-wings, tie fighters and other Imperial forces
The point is not what's in the movie, it's that the movie itself is fanservice

>>liked TFA
They liked it DESPITE the fan service. They thought the characters were at least likeable and fun to watch, unlike Rogue One.

>it's unironically 2 hours of them shitting on the film

God damn ridiculous

>>82200598
Thanks for explaining what a commentary track is, bro.

>>82200493
My nostalgiabait is better than your nostalgiabait: The commentary.

They hate Rogue One because it had AT-AT's, the things meant for all terrain because it apparently made no sense for all terrain armored transports to be used on non snow terrain. At the same time they love The Force Awakens because it reuses the fighters and has constant callbacks to previous movies.

They really make no sense, especially if you consider the fact that Rogue One is supposed to take place around the same time as the original movies while The Force Awakens is a bit in the future so if anything it makes more sense for Rogue One to have these things.

The worst part is that whenever someone questions this they dismiss it as "Star Wars fanboys".

>>82200402
ok fellow friendless faggot on /tv/

>>82200663
>They hate Rogue One because it had AT-AT's
You didn't even listen to the commentary or pay attention to their HITB episode past the opening skit, did you?

>At the same time they love The Force Awakens because it reuses the fighters and has constant callbacks to previous movies.
But that's not why they liked it.

>>82198196
>TFA is so dependent on the cultural capital of the original trilogy and only exists to remind the audience of it.
You're completely wrong. It does regurgitate a ton of shit from the original trilogy, but it never relies on it, it would work all the same as its own narrative. Rogue One doesn't expand on anything at all, whatsoever. You can't be specific about this point because there's absolutely nothing.

>>82187440
Why aren't these cucks still talking about BvS?!?!

>>82200659
There's way more good shit than bad shit. It's like they're refusing to enjoy something out of stubbornness.

>>82200584
I honestly liked Krennic, Chirruit and Saw Guerella more than anyone in TFA except Kylo Ren.

It's blatant fan service, yeah, but it is fanservice that gives additional depth to the universe at large. Rebels aren't cut and dry, there are numerous rebellions at once, the Empire are destroying all remnants of the Jedi order (Like the Kyber Crystals) and the different types of Storm Troopers and their vehicles.

The only iconography TFA uses is just "SEE, WE HAVE X-WINGS TOO DESPITE IT MAKING NO SENSE!". The only thing in TFA that comes close to expansion of the universe is Kylo Ren himself. He is a dark side user that grew up on the stories of the Sith of old. That in itself is interesting, someone trying to emulate the glory days of the Dark Side uses of old.

>>82200755
>There's way more good shit than bad shit.
That's your opinion. It's not theirs.

>>82197545
He doesn't, he said he used to play dungeons and dragons. That's not a videogame, it's a pen and paper game. Go ask /tg/ about it.

>>82200825
D&D is fun when you have a good dungeon master and go full RP.

>It's a "you enter a tavern" quest

>>82200742
>but it never relies on it

It relies completley on knowing who Luke is, who Han is, and the big threat is basically the death star. The whole movie is "Hey remember that?" The whole plot is a Cliff's Notes version of ANH.

>>82200742
>Rogue One doesn't expand on anything at all, whatsoever
It expands on the motivations of the Rebellion. It's actually the first movie in the entire series to develop them more than being background noise good guys.

>>82200742
R1 is tells the story of a smaller aspect of a larger story, it might not be as important as the larger story but it is its own unique story regardless.

TFA retells the larger story we've heard before with a few names changed around.

Whether something relies on previous story or not is irrelevant if it's part of the same story, what is relevant is whether it's the same fucking story told twice. Which is exactly what TFA is.

>>82200881
I don't think you understand what a sequel is.

>>82200873
>D&D is fun when you have a good dungeon master and go full RP.
Over the years I've wanted to get into it, but the people who are into this shit are very seclusive, they smell and you have to spend like 8 hours on one game. It's like a 4chan meet IRL you can't escape.

I wonder what their opinion of the two movies would be if Rogue One came out before TFA.

>>82200882
>It expands on the motivations of the Rebellion
But who cares? What difference does it make to the original trilogy? We've seen where the story goes after that and that story was concluded almost 40 years ago.

>>82200882
Also shows what living under imperial occupation was like, we get some views of what life as imperial officers was like, extra imperial politics, etc

>>82200881
>It relies completley on knowing who Luke is, who Han is, and the big threat is basically the death star.
It doesn't, it never needs previous knowledge of any of that because it follows the new characters. Luke isn't even relevant to the story for the most part, and Rey is guided towards the previous owner of the lightsaber. It stands on its own. Rogue One only works as an expansion.

>>82200940
You just need the people on the verge of shut in but still a normalfag to be your D&D people.

>>82200942
Considering that their biggest problem with Rogue One is the lack of interesting/likable characters, I don't think it coming out before TFA would make a difference. Everyone here seems to be hung up on their fanservice complain even though that's far from their biggest problem; it's just the easiest problem to wring humor from.

>>82188822

You don't get it...

It's shit ON PURPOSE!!! That means you can't criticize it!

>>82200881
>It relies completley on knowing who Luke is, who Han is
No it doesn't. It re-establishes who they are though action and exposition for anyone that hasn't seen the originals.

>>82200887
>R1 is tells the story of a smaller aspect of a larger story, it might not be as important as the larger story but it is its own unique story regardless.
And, had it done the job right, woulod have been fine. But we get a group of dead-end characters with no personality, no character arc and nothing to fight for, completing a quest you have to watch other movies to understand. Rogue One's problem, besides the poorly written characters is that you need to see it as an extra and not as its own movie.

>>82201013
Rogue one had good characters, their point there is nonsense

>>82201073
lol okay

>>82200942
They would probably still shit on it.

Only reason the RLM crew push their like for TFA is because they bought into the hype and thought JJ could do no wrong since they suggested him in a Plinkett review, and jumped the gun as a result (instead of waiting a while and looking at the movie with a clear head). They would rather double down than do a 180 and look like idiots.

>>82201108
It contained all the character archetypes required for a Star Wars movie with interesting variations so they wouldn't be boring

>>82200992
>Luke isn't even relevant to the story for the most part

He's literally the catalyst for the vents in the opening scene.

>>82201190
I don't think you know what the words "archetype" or "boring" mean.

>>82201121
So they'd probably hate both of them in that case.
Really activates my almonds.

>>82198196
>R1 expands the lore.

Star Wars was never about muh lore. That is just a background for a compelling, fun story to be told. You'reprobably the kind of person who creamed theirpants when the AT-ATs showed up.

>AT-ATs AT-ATs AT-ATs AT-ATs AT-ATs AT-ATs AT-ATs AT-ATs AT-ATs AT-ATs AT-ATs AT-ATs AT-ATs AT-ATs AT-ATs AT-ATs AT-ATs AT-ATs AT-ATs AT-ATs AT-ATs AT-ATs AT-ATs AT-ATs AT-ATs AT-ATs AT-ATs AT-ATs AT-ATs AT-ATs

never gets old, RLM

>>82201290
Part of tellinga story is worldbuilding. R1 did that pretty decently and told a good enough war story in that universe. TFA was just a rehash for Marvel plebs.

>>82201290
Tell that to the twenty plus years of EU before Disney nuked it.

>>82201227
I googled just to make sure and I did use the terms correctly. It's not a Star Wars without a Han Solo type rogue, a droid, wise old wizard, etc. Rogue one had all the required character archetypes with some deviation to keep em interesting. Instead of an Obi Wan we had a semi force sensitive blind person to fill the slot.

>>82201354
>Part of tellinga story is worldbuilding. R1 did that pretty decently
Rogue One just uses all the worldbuilding that has already been established in the original trilogy.

>>82198196
The only actually notable thing we learn in Rogue One is the fact that the Death Star's flaw is intentional. Which is a fact that ruins the accomplishments of our heroes Episode 4.

>>82201393
The Alliance being a looser association of terrorists was in the original trilogy?

>>82201393
WHEN in the original trilogy did we see the darker side of the rebellion, the fact there are different rebellions and the actual lives of civilians under imperial rule?

>>82200267
>new TIE fighter variations, an imperial tank and some new troopers.

And why are they never seen in the OT? There is no reason for the Empire to not be using them, since the movies take place minutes apart. It's just a dumb gimmick to make nerds buy toys. Literally adds nothing to the saga

>>82201398
Not really.

The flaw was intentional, that being the reactor blows up when shot with a ion torpedo, but the actual challenge was getting the ion torpedo into the core. The shaft itself isn't the flaw, the flaw is in the core itself.

>>82200458
>TFA full on beats everything related to the prequels and the OT with a baseball bat.
FTFY

>>82201494
Same reason that Dark Troopers weren't used in the OT, different Troopers for different missions.

Death Troopers seem to serve Imperial commanders, Sand Troopers look to be Scarrif exclusive soldiers and the Imperial tank seems to be for urban areas, places not seen very much in the OT.

>>82201482
We never even saw the Empire proper in the OT (except Coruscant in RotJ Special Edition), just the outskirts and backwaters

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>>82187440

>>82201624
Hell most of the wowls building for the average tv poster happened in the video games and EU material

R1 should be appreciated for taking that sense of the SW universe being a real lived in universe and shifting it to film.

>>82201208
Point being, his previous shenanigans in other movies aren't the entire purpose of this film. Without the context of the other movies, Rogue One would make no sense.

>>82201354
>R1 did that pretty decently
It did the opposite, it relied on the worldbuilding of other fucking movies to fail at telling a story. Adding flavor to A New Hope isn't worldbuilding.

>>82201374
>Disney nuked it.
They did nothing of the sort, they just called it "Legends". The different levels of canon Lucasfilm had before made absolutely no sense.

>>82201784
At this point, you have to assume that people know what happens in STAR WARS.

I would still enjoy RO if I had no knowledge though. The only thing I might not get is Princess Leia and some of the hamfisted fan service. Other than that, I think I would understand the dire situation the galaxy would be in.

Also TFA works on its own because it is a rehash of a story that worked on its own.

>>82201730
>R1 should be appreciated for taking that sense of the SW universe being a real lived in universe
How did it do that, by being completely dependent on other movies? I'm sorry, this argument is retarded no matter how many times you rephrase it.

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What happened to the Geonosians though. Didn't they design the Death Star? What was exactly Jin's father's role?

>>82198636
It's a natural progression; the man has the voice of an angel.

>>82201894
It explains enough for people for some reason haven't watched a Star Wars movie

>Establishes the Empire as a galactic dictatorship in the first scene alone
>Shows the power of the Death Star and why it needs to be stopped
>Hints at the power of the Force in Vader's scenes and that the rebellion fears the commander of the Empire
>Actually explains the force with Chirruit


If this was called something else and had all the Star Wars stuff changed, at most, it would be a movie that has a cliffhanger ending to a sequel.

>>82201887
>At this point, you have to assume that people know what happens in STAR WARS.
That's the thing, this shit isn't a movie, it's an expansion pack. A terrible expansion pack with no characters.
>>82201946
He gave it spoilers and gave it a brushed aluminum finish.

>>82201385
>some deviation

yeah, mexican mute han solo was really interesting, almost as interesting as the mute main character and the droid that quipped a few times

Rogue One is essentially filmed Expanded Universe material and nobody aside from RLM has ever pretended otherwise.

>>82201819
It literally is though. You understand the importance of the Death Star more because of the extra back story. You understand the political strength of both the rebellion and empire better. It could have just been lazy and not expanded on anything in which case you'd have a point.

If anything we need a Rogue One for TFA because the status of the Galaxy is fucking unknown and unexplained by TFA. The relative strength of the New Order and the republic is totally unknown. The motivation of the republic and the order are also similarly unexplained. Etc.

>>82201946
They designed the laser part of it. The rest of the station was worked on by the Imperial scientists.

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>>82199604
Rogue One had none of those

>>82202014
Great, but it still doesn't manage to become its own story, it presents a group of people with no distinct personality traits, it relies on events from a different movie to tell a story and tries to provide information that nobody wanted to know.
It's not only poorly written and derivative, it has no reason at all to exist, other than keeping the media machine going.

>>82202035
>You understand the importance of the Death Star more because of the extra back story.
A New Hope already did that in one fucking scene. This station blows up planets, end of story.
If you need to be explained why this is a big deal any further you probably have some mental problems.

>>82202107
>It's not only poorly written and derivative, it has no reason at all to exist, other than keeping the media machine going.
sounds like those marvel flicks Jay loves so much

>>82202050
But the plans that the Geonosian King gives to Dooku show the whole thing, sphere and all. Who sperged out, Disney or Lucas?

>>82202035
>Understand the importance of the Death Star more
>They say "planet killer" and then blow up a city

I feel like the destruction of Alderaan was enough proof that it was a devastating super weapon. Blowing up a city seems like something a regular imperial star destroyer could probably pull off

>>82191132
TFA is watchable. R1 is not.

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>>82202177
Rogue One feels truer to SW lore, while the Geonosians were a retarded attempt to refute Kevin fucking Smith.

>>82202155
Sounds like you ran out of arguments, lass.

>>82202107
If everything Star Wars related was changed to something else, it would be a movie about a rag tag group of people under a Galactic dicatorship trying to find the plans to a super weapon with hints of mysticism throughout ending on a cliffhanger.

If it was just called Rogue One and had nothing to do with Star Wars, it can stand on its own.

TFA stands on it's own even more, yes, but that's because it uses THE major plot points from ANH, a movie that supposed to just be a stand alone. TFA is more derivative than RO by the simple fact that RO on it's own without all the Star Wars stuff could be a sci-fi war movie using the Rebellion v Galactic Empire tropes.

>>82202027
By that standard all characters in fiction are shit. Juan Solo was a good character. Rebel operative that justifies murder in the name as long as it furthers the cause of ending the empire. embodies some interesting concepts, basic character arc, some good interaction with the other characters then a satisfying death. You can't really expect much more under the constraints the movie operates under.

>>82202272
>If everything Star Wars related was changed to something else, it would be a movie about a rag tag group of people under a Galactic dicatorship trying to find the plans to a super weapon with hints of mysticism throughout ending on a cliffhanger.

That's exactly the point, the lack of star wars would absolutely kill it. The characters aren't strong enough to carry the movie, you would get no resolution. Even the "everyone dies" ending only works because you know the rebels won in the end.

>>82201946
Whitewashing
>>82202070
>TFA characters
Hated Rey, hated Kylo, hated BB8 and hated notWedge. Finn was alright.
OT characters were so mercilessly butchered that they deserve a -1 in terms of characters.
>Story.
Enough about it has been said already, but the illogical actions of the characters and the convoluted irrational story really grinds my gears. Maximum plebs clapped when Han and Leia appeared because OMG, but they really didn't add anything to the story.
>Emotion
Frustration, disappointment, anger. Not necessarily in that order. It was like seeing someone killing one of your friends, wearing his skin and pretending to be him.

>>82202344
>By that standard all characters in fiction are shit.
No, just the ones in this movie. They were completely devoid of personality and only definable by what they looked like or how their actions affected other movies.

>>82202406
>Hated Rey, hated Kylo, hated BB8 and hated notWedge
They had their own personal quirks, they displayed emotions, human strengths and weaknesses. They had defined personalities.
If all you have to bring to the table is "I hate, I love" then shut the fuck up and go back to eating paint chips.

>>82202344
He justified murder one time to kill his crippled informant and then pussied out when it was time to kill Galen. What was his arc? Name one (1) good interaction with another character. When he stood and stared at Jyn while she hit the trooper with the baton? Great interactions

>>82202249
You're being deliberately obtuse. ANH just says the Death Star kills planets and that's it. Empire however shows that the Empire can still control shit without the Death Star.

The added backstory in R1 showing that the Empire was not as solid as implied in ANH and that it was the construction of the Death Star that cemented the empires grip on the galaxy does improve the overall story.

>>82202497
The fight he had with Jyn

>>82202557
>The added backstory in R1 showing that the Empire was not as solid as implied in ANH and that it was the construction of the Death Star that cemented the empires grip on the galaxy does improve the overall story.
Yeah because everyone has been complaining about the weak story in A New Hope for the last 40 years. How did the movie get a pass for this long???

>>82202464
>Rey
>Weaknesses

>>82202596
>"you're not the only one with a gritty backstory, I'll imply I have one as well"

great interaction boss, name another one

>>82202497
>What was his arc?
becoming a human being again after doing horrible things in service of what he thought was right aka the theme of the entire star wars series

>>82187440
I just realized that Mike looks like a fat and shitty Jon Hamm

Jack is based

>>82195971
>war movie

13 hours by Michael Bay is ten times better war movie than this shit.

>>82202557
>ANH just says the Death Star kills planets and that's it

And you talk about being obtuse? They have a satisfying reveal by blowing up Leia's peaceful home planet

>>82202464
I can write better characters myself. I hated them because they were poorly-written. They contradicted themselves to aid the plot, that didn't even make sense to begin with.
They were either boring characters who could do lots of things or a "funny" plot vehicle a la Jar Jar or just there for the sake of pandering the fans. Though maybe it was an acting problem. Especially on Rey.

>>82197361
Has /tv/ always been this retarded? Has /tv/ always hated blacks and women this much?

TFA is a watchable if not particularly memorable film with likeable characters regardless if you think they're mary sue or not.

R1 was a boring slog and a waste of good talent with no memorable characters. The last third was the only interesting part.

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>>82202464
It's time to stop Jay.

>>82202808
mike go for a walk. let it go

>>82202739
The added explanation of the goal of suppressing the Senate and fear tactic to squash the rebellion is satisfying. Knowing more about where things stand is a good thing.

>>82202808
Your logic doesn't make sense considering Jyn is the main character of RO.

>>82202808
>If you don't like TFA you're a racist misogynist

Is this nigga serious?

>>82202808
>no memorable characters
But I loved the villains

Mike does not like that he has been dethroned as the internet's King of Star Wars by Max Mother Fucking Landis

New thread
>>82202976

>>82203012
>Starting a new thread when this one is still on page 6 but can't be bumped anymore
advertising spam confirmed

>>82201208
Luke's location is only a mcguffin, the fuckin blue cube in Avengers plays the same function. It's nothing more, you don't need to know anything about it.

>>82191824
No amount of self awareness detracts from that

>>82201056
>>82201073

It was ballsy of Disney to kill them all off by the end of the film, but that was probably mistake. All of the characters had arcs that were technically wrapped up by the end of the film but really could have used more fleshing out. The cowardly pilot becomes a brave hero. The possibly loopy force monk proves his interpretation of the Force is a valid one and opens up new possibilities for the audience and the universe at large. His friend who lost faith in the Force regains it. The droid learns to open up to more of the team and becomes less of a selfish prick. The rebel dude goes from cold and pragmatic to growing a conscience. Jyn goes from someone utterly uninterested in more Rebel stuff and their fight to someone willing to die for a greater good.

The sad thing is the movie(s) could have worked with these concepts well and made all of these characters extremely memorable. Household names, even But with the version we got, I can only remember "Jyn" on account of hearing it so many times.

Good commentary other than them trying to talk about how gay characters in movies are a good thing. Why do they have to be such liberal faggots sometimes?

>>82202624
Being a lost puppy looking for guidance, needing to wait for her family to come back even as an adult. She's lost and scared through most of the thing, try paying attention to the things you watch instead of memeing.

>>82201494
>And why are they never seen in the OT?
How come we never saw AT-STs, Scout Troopers, AT-AT walkers, Executor star destroyers in ANH? Why didnt we see Ewoks in ESB?

Your comment is as dumb as asking why didnt the Marines fight in Market Garden.

>>82203348
But if we don't force gay characters right into your face and force audiences to watch them get it on and constantly talk about how they're gay how will we teach the children that gay people are completely normal and not oversexed maniacs trying to molest everything?

>>82201946
The whole Geonosians thing was retarded, but basically what I understand is that their design needed massive improvements and Jyn's father was an expert at that sort of thing. So much so that once he ran off the whole project practically ground to a halt without him.

>>82203313
>All of the characters had arcs
None of them had arcs at all. They were disposable and this was presented to you since minute one.
And we keep having the same problem we do while discussing the prequels. People imbue them with their feelings, wishes and other things that weren't there, out of some potent drive towards wanting to like them. What fuels this drive, only you know. Probably peer pressure from shitty online communities, or hipster cred seeking.

>>82202035
I think what RLM and a lot of anons don't get is that R1 was intended to be a side-story from the beginning. It was made more "Star Wars" with the reshoots but it wasn't ever going to match the tone and feel of the trilogy movies.

>>82203423
fags are a minority and don't matter.

>>82201946
>What happened to the Geonosians though
They did most of the construction work and then the Empire dropped gas canisters that killed their entire population. They had a deal with the Separatist to do the Death Star until Krennic "convinced" them otherwise.

Galen if you read Catalyst was a genius with energy technology and went to school with Krennic.

You should read Catalyst. A bunch of scenes in the movie are moments in the novel and the novel directly leads in R1. Considering the writers of the novel and movie worked together.

>>82203527
Because they're apathetic gen x faggs who just follow the mores of the times.

>>82202154
Not that guy, but I liked how when the first time they powered the Death Star up for firing, things flickered and sputtered in the background. It did make this huge impregnable superweapon we "knew" everything about into the untested prototype it was always allegedly was. I also liked how they used it at the minimum setting to really contextualize just how ludicrously overpowered it was. Destroying an entire planet in a burst of 1980s special effects makes the scale of destruction difficult to appreciate. Seeing the Death Star wipe out half a hemisphere was visually orgasmic and terrifying.

How the fuck do you find Kylo, Rey, Hux and Poe memorable?

>>82203445
This.

I keep hearing about Jyn being this complex character, with troubled childhood and growing up with the rebelion, balancing between idealism and extremism and finally deciding to do the right thing.

What we see in the movie -she needs to hide in the bunker, oh she's an adult now. And for the rest of it she just goes from place to place and doesn't talk much. She could be a good character, they didn't do anything with her.

>>82203445
>None of them had arcs at all
So your eyes just sort of glazed over when I pointed out all of their arcs, then. Way to use those neurons, anon.

>>82203645
That's easy anon, RLM told me so.

>>82203645
Kylo being sith fanboy and Vader wannabe that isn't good enough was great. You can see his growing frustration. Hux and Poe, not really. I'll hold my judgement for Rey until the next one, there is obviously something more.

>>82202265
>Rogue One feels
You're saying nothing, child.

>>82203883
>Kylo being sith fanboy and Vader wannabe that isn't good enough was great
There's nothing remarkable or interesting about him. He tries to be Vader and looks like an idiot. In Universe and out.

Nigga massacres Luke's Jedi because...? His parents told him lie about his grandfather?

>>82203923
not a refutation

>>82203980
>Spoiler
Heh, that's a story for ANOTHER time. WINK

>>82203313
>The cowardly pilot becomes a brave hero

he was never cowardly, he didn't do anything braver than the decision to pass the message to the extremist. He was onboard when he made that decision (and we don't even see it)
>The possibly loopy force monk proves his interpretation of the Force is a valid one

The monk that has no doubts Force favors him, in fact is proven to be right. That's not an arc.

>he droid learns to open up to more of the team and becomes less of a selfish prick.

No, he just didn't trust Jyn at the beggining.

>The rebel dude goes from cold and pragmatic to growing a conscience.

Because of what? I shoot people, oh I guess I won't shoot this one. There was no event that made him rethink it. He just decided not to do it, because reasons. He didn't even care about Jyn at this point.

>Jyn goes from someone utterly uninterested in more Rebel stuff and their fight to someone willing to die for a greater good.

Because her father told her to, so she suddenly cares. Great arc.

>>82203980
JJ "exposition is boooooring" Abrams

>>82202808
>Has /tv/ always hated blacks and women this much?

Only since the Canadian ex-/pol/ shitposters took over the board after even /pol/ managed to laugh them out.